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Dec 13, 2022 4:21 PM
#1
| edit: i got my answer. i now know it will go in a different direction, and no i don't care which one you think is better, that was never the point. I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? |
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Dec 13, 2022 4:30 PM
#2
| Denji's delevelopment is completely different than that of Shinichi, it has nothing to do with it in the slighthest, and that also can be said for the series as a whole. So don't worry about it and look forward to see what the series has to offer, it's great |
Dec 13, 2022 4:31 PM
#3
Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. I don't care about which one you think is better since as you said it's subjective anyways. what I want to know if it goes different rout or not? even if it is somehow better, which I seriously doubt, i still would rather have something new. I'm just asking if it's the same, or close to the same or not. you don't need to explain it. |
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Dec 13, 2022 4:32 PM
#4
Fakkun8 said: Denji's delevelopment is completely different than that of Shinichi, it has nothing to do with it in the slighthest, and that also can be said for the series as a whole. So don't worry about it and look forward to see what the series has to offer, it's great awesome thanks :D I just got scared that this may also go the exact same rout as. none human thing replaced my heart so now I'm slowly losing my humanity. |
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Dec 13, 2022 4:35 PM
#5
| I've watched Parasyte and read all of CSM. Quick answer: No. Don't wanna get into detail to not spoil, but even though the themes and tropes may look similar, the character development and focus are entirely different. |
Dec 13, 2022 4:38 PM
#6
MordredEX said: I've watched Parasyte and read all of CSM. Quick answer: No. Don't wanna get into detail to not spoil, but even though the themes and tropes may look similar, the character development and focus are entirely different. fantastic, so my worries were for nothing. good to know |
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Dec 13, 2022 4:44 PM
#7
Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? Parasyte was more about humanity as a whole, he starts as a human and the series tries to doubt the difference between a humans and an aliens CSM is more personal, Denji is more about a beast trying to become a normal human. Every action he takes is what he thinks being a normal human would make, he will have many sitbacks to this goal, as when he doesn't feel any empathy when his "friends" died, and he still needs to clarify to himself and understand what a normal human is and if that is his goal. They feel similar but they go in opposite direction |
Dec 13, 2022 5:04 PM
#8
| Very different shows though yes you can see the author of CSM loved Parasyte a lot. While Parasyte is mostly serious and somber, CSM is absurd and nonsensical on the surface but melancholic as heck. If you like absurd wacky comedy like Kill la Kill, do give CSM a chance. |
Dec 13, 2022 5:15 PM
#9
| This is nothing like parasyte if that hasn’t already been made abundantly obvious |
Dec 13, 2022 5:35 PM
#10
WilfredJohnson said: This is nothing like parasyte if that hasn’t already been made abundantly obvious read the comment I was talking about the none human entity replacing the mc's heart plot line. I got worried because of the whole "why am I not feeling sad for them? am I losing something because of the heart?" thing that denji was going on about. and I don't think I need to explain why that SCREAMS parasyte. |
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Dec 13, 2022 5:43 PM
#11
Y_Mc said: Apolygon2 said: Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. I don't care about which one you think is better since as you said it's subjective anyways. what I want to know if it goes different rout or not? even if it is somehow better, which I seriously doubt, i still would rather have something new. I'm just asking if it's the same, or close to the same or not. you don't need to explain it. ok 😂😂😂 chill it's just anime not an academic discussion well I am that one weirdo that analyses everything and actually reads both positive and negative reviews to get different perspectives. so for my dumb ass, yes it is an academic discussion! |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:46 PM
#12
| Naa, Denji doesn't develop like Shinichi at all. The main theme of this show will be introduced in the next arc. Chainsaw Man wants to create a narrative around the Aesop's fable "The Town mouse and the country mouse". Each character's development is centered around that fable only. That's a much different theme from Parasyte. |
Dec 13, 2022 7:50 PM
#13
| This man really just made this post to praise the shit out of Parasyte and disguised it as an honest question lmao |
Dec 13, 2022 8:00 PM
#14
bruhmomentum11 said: This man really just made this post to praise the shit out of Parasyte and disguised it as an honest question lmao it was a genuine question it just so happens that I also really like parasyte |
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Dec 13, 2022 8:06 PM
#15
| I freaking love Parasyte the Maxim, it's my 3rd best anime. I'm freaking loving Chainsaw Man too and this has the potential to be in my top 10 or hell, even top 5 if they do something crazy good with the remaining episodes. I actually don't mind if both animes have similarities with the MC losing the emotions due to having another heart or the heart mixing with the parasite or devil or whatever, I really don't care about it, both animes have their charm and I love them. It sucks that we never got a season 2 of Parasyte the Maxim, I hope they don't pull that shit with this anime, I fucking want a season 2 of Chainsaw Man, damn it! |
Dec 13, 2022 8:46 PM
#16
xZabuzax said: I freaking love Parasyte the Maxim, it's my 3rd best anime. I'm freaking loving Chainsaw Man too and this has the potential to be in my top 10 or hell, even top 5 if they do something crazy good with the remaining episodes. I actually don't mind if both animes have similarities with the MC losing the emotions due to having another heart or the heart mixing with the parasite or devil or whatever, I really don't care about it, both animes have their charm and I love them. It sucks that we never got a season 2 of Parasyte the Maxim, I hope they don't pull that shit with this anime, I fucking want a season 2 of Chainsaw Man, damn it! well to be fair, parasyte is a finished story that fully adapted the manga, maybe an epilogue movie would be nice, but the show said it's piece and tied everything up nicely. so I can't even think of how it would get a season 2. but don't worry this will almost certainly get a full adaptation. mappa is not dropping this, expect a new season every 2 years or so. |
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Dec 13, 2022 9:01 PM
#17
| Chainsaw Man >>> Parasyte |
Dec 13, 2022 9:08 PM
#18
Ridzaxster said: Chainsaw Man >>> Parasyte good for you not what I was asking but then again I already got my answer from others so it's not like it matters |
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Dec 13, 2022 9:08 PM
#19
Apolygon2 said: xZabuzax said: I freaking love Parasyte the Maxim, it's my 3rd best anime. I'm freaking loving Chainsaw Man too and this has the potential to be in my top 10 or hell, even top 5 if they do something crazy good with the remaining episodes. I actually don't mind if both animes have similarities with the MC losing the emotions due to having another heart or the heart mixing with the parasite or devil or whatever, I really don't care about it, both animes have their charm and I love them. It sucks that we never got a season 2 of Parasyte the Maxim, I hope they don't pull that shit with this anime, I fucking want a season 2 of Chainsaw Man, damn it! well to be fair, parasyte is a finished story that fully adapted the manga, maybe an epilogue movie would be nice, but the show said it's piece and tied everything up nicely. so I can't even think of how it would get a season 2. but don't worry this will almost certainly get a full adaptation. mappa is not dropping this, expect a new season every 2 years or so. I love the anime of Parasyte the Maxim but I never read the manga, I thought the manga was longer, plus Madhouse has a tendency to never make a season 2 of an anime, we are lucky if we actually get a season 2 of anything related to Madhouse back in those times. Oh well, as long as we keep getting Chainsaw Man with the same type of quality that we are getting then I'm good, I just hope it doesn't take too long for the next season. |
Dec 13, 2022 10:05 PM
#20
| No, Denji is not losing his empathy or emotions. Even before fusing with Pochita we have seen him optimistic, cheerful, never complaining, full of hope and always looking forward, not behind. He isn't bothered even when something bad happens to him. If he was insensitive, he would walk onto Aki crying, yet he didn't. So, no, it's completely different. Like 180* polar opposite. |
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Dec 13, 2022 10:11 PM
#21
| No. It’s never mentioned again for some reason. |
Dec 13, 2022 11:01 PM
#22
| Yeah, I wonder if this also will go into the Naruto-Kurama path or Itadori-Sukuna one, either way those are perfect and CSM can't even come close to it, maybe the Bleach path is the better for CSM, I don't know sh*t about Bleach but since we are talking nonsense here, why not then? |
Dec 13, 2022 11:07 PM
#23
cheekkclapper said: No. It’s never mentioned again for some reason. It is mentioned again. Read chapter 39-40 again. |
Dec 13, 2022 11:27 PM
#24
| Similar? Yes. The same? No. Denji goes down a different path and ends up in a different state. |
Dec 13, 2022 11:41 PM
#25
| God no, please. Kiseijuu is way superior in mostly everything and lasts less Fujimoto itself said this manga was just a a bunch of thing he liked all put together Chainsaw is way more shounen than Parasyte |
Dec 14, 2022 12:00 AM
#26
Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? it will go in another direction but replacing your heart or something else that mkes you different and wondering about your humanity has been a trope for years and years so you can't really say it copies parasyte specifically. |
Dec 14, 2022 12:27 AM
#27
Dec 14, 2022 12:32 AM
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Dec 14, 2022 1:05 AM
#29
Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? The reason Denji has empathy problems isn't because of his demon heart. It's because of his childhood. He was already like that before beause he was always just focused on surviving and went through a lot of trauma. The reason that introspection is shown in this episode is not to show that he is starting to lose empathy but rather that he is starting to become more self-aware of his current state and questioning why is that way and whether it's okay. |
Dec 14, 2022 1:26 AM
#30
Apolygon2 said: is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? Did you watch the show or not? Denji never had any emotion towards other people, nothing about Pochita replacing his heart pushed him into changing. That was Denji from the beginning. |
Dec 14, 2022 1:34 AM
#31
| Short answer: No. Just relax and enjoy it! |
Dec 14, 2022 1:34 AM
#32
Tendo_GM said: Apolygon2 said: is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? Did you watch the show or not? Denji never had any emotion towards other people, nothing about Pochita replacing his heart pushed him into changing. That was Denji from the beginning. i figured as much. i wasn't the one who brought up this idea, denji was. |
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Dec 14, 2022 1:39 AM
#33
Spoopy69 said: Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? it will go in another direction but replacing your heart or something else that mkes you different and wondering about your humanity has been a trope for years and years so you can't really say it copies parasyte specifically. well, parasyte is the only one that i know of. and its original manga is pretty damn old. i would be surprised if you could actually find the same idea in something that came before it. also i would not call this a copy if it actually goes in a different direction. |
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Dec 14, 2022 2:15 AM
#34
| Nope, it's going to be a different path. He is refering to his contract with Pochita: good food, beautiful girls, showing his dreams in general. So Denji is asking himself if changing his heart ( the contract) made him erase his feelings, only focusing on achieving those banal goals and don't give a shit about the people around him just because he wants to live a great life. This is the first time he is questioning whether he's doing the right thing or not. Is he normal or not. Denji throughout the story will become more protective and more concerned for others. Go on a date with a girl (pochita's promise) or take care of Power and Aki? ( his feelings) If you notice, they may seem like small changes but he doesn't dirty the tables anymore, he's a little more polite with Aki, and he could see that he was sad when he left him an apple. His evolution will be much faster next arcs, but I don't want to spoil too much. |
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Dec 14, 2022 2:30 AM
#35
Apolygon2 said: Spoopy69 said: Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? it will go in another direction but replacing your heart or something else that mkes you different and wondering about your humanity has been a trope for years and years so you can't really say it copies parasyte specifically. well, parasyte is the only one that i know of. and its original manga is pretty damn old. i would be surprised if you could actually find the same idea in something that came before it. also i would not call this a copy if it actually goes in a different direction. pretty sure devilman did the same thing parasyte did just 10 years prior |
Dec 14, 2022 2:48 AM
#36
Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. What Denji said has nothing in common with Shinichi, and it only serves to make Denji question his own feelings (towards those he is close to) because the very next arc will turn such qns over on Denji. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. There’s no way you think this has better character development than Parasyte lmfao |
Dec 14, 2022 4:13 AM
#37
Y_Mc said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. What Denji said has nothing in common with Shinichi, and it only serves to make Denji question his own feelings (towards those he is close to) because the very next arc will turn such qns over on Denji. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. There’s no way you think this has better character development than Parasyte lmfao Explain why you think Parasyte did a better job? I like Parasyte a lot btw but character development isn't its strongest area Parasyte questions the concept of “evil”, and where one’s Will comes into the equation. Shinichi is the vessel for the audience to experience different perspectives of “evil”. The anime constantly presents situations and characters that have us questioning morality and what can be considered “justified” evil or not. It’s honestly a very hard premise to tackle effectively using blatant sci-fi/horror, but Parasyte handles the themes of Will and evil beautifully. Meanwhile, Denji just does things because he wants to continue sleeping in a cozy house and eating toast with jelly. He isn’t motivated by anything greater than himself, doesn’t take his past trauma and use it as motivation for the future…he is merely driven by his carnal desires. He is from episode one accepting of his predicament, and even resigns himself to an early grave. He practically falls haphazardly into an opportunity of power, the type of power where he can define a Will for himself, where he can change his life however he wants…and he then just obsesses over Makima and food. I am comparing both anime, mind you, not the manga, so anything he is in the manga is irrelevant to what we are shown in the anime. |
Dec 14, 2022 5:19 AM
#38
| Nope, I find Denji and Pochita relationship to be a cool ref to Shinichi and Migi but that's everything about it. Their development and story's direction later will walk on two completely different routes, there's almost nothing alike. |
Dec 14, 2022 5:36 AM
#39
| As many people said already, no, Denji's development is completely different. It's just what he thinks is happening to him with his very limited knowledge of life in general. His callousness is basically just a product of his upbringing, but he wouldn't understand that, since he prefers not to linger on traumatic events at all and barely ever introspects. Denji is highly unreliable narrator, what he thinks he wants/needs is usually wrong as well. |
Dec 14, 2022 12:22 PM
#40
Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? this is so stupid, i think denji is written better than shinichi ever was tbh. He doesn’t not care about the ppl close to him because a devil replaced his heart he doesn’t care about ppl close to him because he’s never had anyone around him in the first place. He just doesn’t know any of these emotions because of his isolation. This is completely different to shinichi since he once loved ppl but the parasyte has changed his mental state. I don’t get why anime onlys post this stuff when there is an amazing manga sitting there with an extra 80 chapters of content to read and they just don’t read it, but instead post this stuff. Just read it and if u don’t like it then stop. But instead you try and compare an anime that has adapted 1/4 of its content to an anime that has finished completion |
Dec 14, 2022 1:15 PM
#41
| Parasyte was great but CSM for me is miles better Also watch out for your cholesterol OP, you are too salty on your replies :D |
Dec 14, 2022 2:48 PM
#42
Pacote-san said: Parasyte was great but CSM for me is miles better Also watch out for your cholesterol OP, you are too salty on your replies :D am I? what did I say that was salty also why do people keep comparing the 2 shows. who wanted that? can anime fans really not hear 2 names of 2 shows without comparing them? Is it because I said "IF" chainsawman tries to do the same thing as parasyte I don't see it doing it as well since parasyte already did it perfectly? but that "if" turned out to be wrong anyways, so why? |
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Dec 14, 2022 3:18 PM
#43
kyo_1 said: Round of applause bro. Well said. Some of these anime only csm fans are really confusing.Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? this is so stupid, i think denji is written better than shinichi ever was tbh. He doesn’t not care about the ppl close to him because a devil replaced his heart he doesn’t care about ppl close to him because he’s never had anyone around him in the first place. He just doesn’t know any of these emotions because of his isolation. This is completely different to shinichi since he once loved ppl but the parasyte has changed his mental state. I don’t get why anime onlys post this stuff when there is an amazing manga sitting there with an extra 80 chapters of content to read and they just don’t read it, but instead post this stuff. Just read it and if u don’t like it then stop. But instead you try and compare an anime that has adapted 1/4 of its content to an anime that has finished completion |
Dec 14, 2022 3:36 PM
#44
thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. What Denji said has nothing in common with Shinichi, and it only serves to make Denji question his own feelings (towards those he is close to) because the very next arc will turn such qns over on Denji. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. There’s no way you think this has better character development than Parasyte lmfao Explain why you think Parasyte did a better job? I like Parasyte a lot btw but character development isn't its strongest area Parasyte questions the concept of “evil”, and where one’s Will comes into the equation. Shinichi is the vessel for the audience to experience different perspectives of “evil”. The anime constantly presents situations and characters that have us questioning morality and what can be considered “justified” evil or not. It’s honestly a very hard premise to tackle effectively using blatant sci-fi/horror, but Parasyte handles the themes of Will and evil beautifully. Meanwhile, Denji just does things because he wants to continue sleeping in a cozy house and eating toast with jelly. He isn’t motivated by anything greater than himself, doesn’t take his past trauma and use it as motivation for the future…he is merely driven by his carnal desires. He is from episode one accepting of his predicament, and even resigns himself to an early grave. He practically falls haphazardly into an opportunity of power, the type of power where he can define a Will for himself, where he can change his life however he wants…and he then just obsesses over Makima and food. I am comparing both anime, mind you, not the manga, so anything he is in the manga is irrelevant to what we are shown in the anime. so your arguement is just not valid is it? First off, you don’t even know the whole story of csm so you can’t compare denji to shinichi in any scenario until you know what happens to them throughout the whole story (and csm isn’t even finished yet). Secondly, the mc in both shows are completely different to each other, denji shouldn’t have to be a typical battle shounen character to be seen as a good written mc and actually the way he is written makes him seem more relatable to reader and helps capture their interest for the story. He doesn’t aim for the destruction of all devils nor does he want to necessarily protect the lives of the ones he loves around him (or at least he’s questioning himself at this point in the story) by possibly laying down his own life for that cause. He’s just a kid who has gone through tonnes of trauma and wants a nice bed to sleep in, some half decent food and a girlfriend. What’s so bad about that? I’m not saying parasyte is bad because it isn’t (i think it’s listed as one of my fav mangas/animes of all time), but you can’t compare the main characters of these shows since they’re basically completely different. They started from different back grounds and have experienced different things. One character can be controlled by a parasyte, one character controls the devil. One character fights to protect his family and the ones he loves, one character fights to protect himself. |
kyo_1Dec 14, 2022 3:40 PM
Dec 14, 2022 3:42 PM
#45
Rejuvenated said: kyo_1 said: Round of applause bro. Well said. Some of these anime only csm fans are really confusing.Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? this is so stupid, i think denji is written better than shinichi ever was tbh. He doesn’t not care about the ppl close to him because a devil replaced his heart he doesn’t care about ppl close to him because he’s never had anyone around him in the first place. He just doesn’t know any of these emotions because of his isolation. This is completely different to shinichi since he once loved ppl but the parasyte has changed his mental state. I don’t get why anime onlys post this stuff when there is an amazing manga sitting there with an extra 80 chapters of content to read and they just don’t read it, but instead post this stuff. Just read it and if u don’t like it then stop. But instead you try and compare an anime that has adapted 1/4 of its content to an anime that has finished completion fr bro, half of these threads are just anime onlys with half a brain asking questions to manga readers when they could just read it themselves. |
Dec 14, 2022 3:55 PM
#46
Y_Mc said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. What Denji said has nothing in common with Shinichi, and it only serves to make Denji question his own feelings (towards those he is close to) because the very next arc will turn such qns over on Denji. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. There’s no way you think this has better character development than Parasyte lmfao Explain why you think Parasyte did a better job? I like Parasyte a lot btw but character development isn't its strongest area well since the other guy imo gave a terrible answer, let me give you my piece. I don't think it would be impossible for denji to become as good or better than shinichi. specially because even the manga of chainsawman has yet to be finished. it's just I think shinichi's is one of the most compelling character arcs I have ever seen in fiction. now why is that? there is a lot of depth I can go to, but If I had to explain it in as short of amount as possible these are the reasons: 1. he is THE perfect vessel to carry out the shows message about humanity, since he is one of the only people that can start to understand both the side of the parasytes and the humans. later on tokyo ghoul builds an entire story of this one aspect alone. 2. parallels. one of the things that makes character writings so compelling, is parallels and opposites. that's the main thing that makes the cast of madoka magica so compelling, and parasyte also does an amazing job with it. not only with the parasyte that slowly starts to become human, but also with the human that is worse than an parasyte. 3. it perfectly mixes physical and mental development. there is a certain point in the story that you will loose track of what is him getting affected by the horrible things happening around him, and what is him having changed due to getting mixed with migi. and the way parasyte does this is absolutely genius. they merge so seamlessly that it's almost impossible to distinguish them. but you know both are on affect, specially once you watch the episode called "more than human" 4. the development itself is just great. character change is not necessary to make a character good, but when it works well, it adds to the character. and shinichi's character arc is FILLED with change, and all of them make his character better and more compelling. what makes this stand out though, is how well the show conveys this, like with reaction to a dead animal. or how it reminds you to think about it in a way that makes sense with the line "are you really shinichi?" I can write more, way more. and I am not saying it would be impossible for denji to have all of these and more. but me saying it's unlikely is not bashing chainsawman, it's praising parasyte. |
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Dec 14, 2022 4:02 PM
#47
Spoopy69 said: Apolygon2 said: Spoopy69 said: Apolygon2 said: I mean, here's the thing, I saw the similarities in episode 1, but now this is just getting too much. is the heart replacement of denji going to be an exact copy paste of shinichi's character arc? with this latest episode going the "am I losing my empathy and emotions" rout, it's just getting a little too much. why do I even care? because if there is one thing that parasyte did perfectly, it was the main character. and In all honestly I don't see this beating it, I don't even see it getting close. meaning if it doesn't go a different direction, it will be a copy as good as the original in the best case scenario. now, I don't want that. so I just want to know this one thing. will this plot line go a different direction than parasyte or not? it will go in another direction but replacing your heart or something else that mkes you different and wondering about your humanity has been a trope for years and years so you can't really say it copies parasyte specifically. well, parasyte is the only one that i know of. and its original manga is pretty damn old. i would be surprised if you could actually find the same idea in something that came before it. also i would not call this a copy if it actually goes in a different direction. pretty sure devilman did the same thing parasyte did just 10 years prior I will haven't seen devilman myself. so, I will just take your word for it, for now. |
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Dec 14, 2022 5:10 PM
#48
Y_Mc said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. What Denji said has nothing in common with Shinichi, and it only serves to make Denji question his own feelings (towards those he is close to) because the very next arc will turn such qns over on Denji. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. There’s no way you think this has better character development than Parasyte lmfao Explain why you think Parasyte did a better job? I like Parasyte a lot btw but character development isn't its strongest area Parasyte questions the concept of “evil”, and where one’s Will comes into the equation. Shinichi is the vessel for the audience to experience different perspectives of “evil”. The anime constantly presents situations and characters that have us questioning morality and what can be considered “justified” evil or not. It’s honestly a very hard premise to tackle effectively using blatant sci-fi/horror, but Parasyte handles the themes of Will and evil beautifully. Meanwhile, Denji just does things because he wants to continue sleeping in a cozy house and eating toast with jelly. He isn’t motivated by anything greater than himself, doesn’t take his past trauma and use it as motivation for the future…he is merely driven by his carnal desires. He is from episode one accepting of his predicament, and even resigns himself to an early grave. He practically falls haphazardly into an opportunity of power, the type of power where he can define a Will for himself, where he can change his life however he wants…and he then just obsesses over Makima and food. I am comparing both anime, mind you, not the manga, so anything he is in the manga is irrelevant to what we are shown in the anime. Lol we are 10 episodes into the anime while Parasyte is fully completed. I guess yeah? Surely Parasyte is better cos it's completed? That makes zero sense. By that logic MAL shouldn’t even allow for ratings if stories aren’t already complete. |
Dec 14, 2022 5:13 PM
#49
kyo_1 said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: thunderkitten13 said: Y_Mc said: This has better development than Parasyte (subjective though). Think about what Denji mentioned this episode (heart in its literal sense and as a symbol for humanity), but rather than exploring a large scale conflict CSM is really about Denji's introspection of himself. What Denji said has nothing in common with Shinichi, and it only serves to make Denji question his own feelings (towards those he is close to) because the very next arc will turn such qns over on Denji. Honestly I find anime onlies that ask such qns are really asking for spoilers. Nothing is what it seems at first. Having completed both Parasyte and CSM, they are nothing alike. There’s no way you think this has better character development than Parasyte lmfao Explain why you think Parasyte did a better job? I like Parasyte a lot btw but character development isn't its strongest area Parasyte questions the concept of “evil”, and where one’s Will comes into the equation. Shinichi is the vessel for the audience to experience different perspectives of “evil”. The anime constantly presents situations and characters that have us questioning morality and what can be considered “justified” evil or not. It’s honestly a very hard premise to tackle effectively using blatant sci-fi/horror, but Parasyte handles the themes of Will and evil beautifully. Meanwhile, Denji just does things because he wants to continue sleeping in a cozy house and eating toast with jelly. He isn’t motivated by anything greater than himself, doesn’t take his past trauma and use it as motivation for the future…he is merely driven by his carnal desires. He is from episode one accepting of his predicament, and even resigns himself to an early grave. He practically falls haphazardly into an opportunity of power, the type of power where he can define a Will for himself, where he can change his life however he wants…and he then just obsesses over Makima and food. I am comparing both anime, mind you, not the manga, so anything he is in the manga is irrelevant to what we are shown in the anime. so your arguement is just not valid is it? First off, you don’t even know the whole story of csm so you can’t compare denji to shinichi in any scenario until you know what happens to them throughout the whole story (and csm isn’t even finished yet). Secondly, the mc in both shows are completely different to each other, denji shouldn’t have to be a typical battle shounen character to be seen as a good written mc and actually the way he is written makes him seem more relatable to reader and helps capture their interest for the story. He doesn’t aim for the destruction of all devils nor does he want to necessarily protect the lives of the ones he loves around him (or at least he’s questioning himself at this point in the story) by possibly laying down his own life for that cause. He’s just a kid who has gone through tonnes of trauma and wants a nice bed to sleep in, some half decent food and a girlfriend. What’s so bad about that? I’m not saying parasyte is bad because it isn’t (i think it’s listed as one of my fav mangas/animes of all time), but you can’t compare the main characters of these shows since they’re basically completely different. They started from different back grounds and have experienced different things. One character can be controlled by a parasyte, one character controls the devil. One character fights to protect his family and the ones he loves, one character fights to protect himself. Bruh….that’s not how you analyze/review a story/characters. I literally stated at the end that I am strictly comparing both ANIME as they are currently. It is irrelevant how Denji is in the manga currently, I am responding to someone saying that Parasyte was inferior in character building to CM, of all things. Way to completely throw out my main point to suit your narrative. |
Dec 14, 2022 5:14 PM
#50
Catalano said: Parasyte was actually written by a smart mangaka who wanted to ask important questions and make cool characterizations and battles, csm was written by a deviant who read too much bad manga Of course csm is deep but not in that area, wait till s2 The truth will set you free, but perhaps CM fans can’t handle the truth lol |
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