subahokke said: ACasualViewer said: Its not, you're just watching a specific selection of anime, go watch shows like kodomo omacha or yumeiro patisserie. Does watching characters spree shoot up a school make you want to do it? Does theft being glamorized in The Great Pretender make you want to become a professional scammer? Its a nonsense argument. do you speak for every single person? no. youre missing the entire point. if something like this, something that already occurs very often irl, is normalized and glamourized in media, people WILL not see the severity. it will continue to happen and probably even more. not just for anime either, normal tv shows too. its depressing how shit like rape will eventually be normalized in tv because everyone has to say "fiction doesnt affect reality". by saying that i dont mean people are going to kill someone after watching a character do it. its subtle and doesnt have to be murder or rape. look it up. "Look it up" isn't evidence, find me a study that actually demonstrates a causal link between rape depiction in media and the likelihood of increase in rapist tendencies of those who consume said media. |
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ThelauMan said: I see this types of scenes are put often when even not doing so won't harm the plot? Does putting sexual harassment and assault scenes increase an anime's ratings? Because weirdos that's why. Benisuzume said: Its a different culture. It is normal in Japan. It's not "culture". Know the difference between an issue and a culture. Sexual harassment is a current increasing issue in Japan, not their "culture". |
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Spektral_Beast said: I understand what you're saying man but that's not the point I was trying to make. I wasn't ragging on the dude because he was pointing out that sexual assault is bad. The dude said that sexual assault in anime would cause more sexual assaults in real life. He didn't show any proof of this but said it as if it was a fact. I could only assume that if he truly believes this then he must be someone who goes around doing everything he sees on tv or in movies. If you don't like sexual assault in anime and you want to voice your opinions, that is fine. But for him to state his speculation as fact so brazenly deserves a rebuttal in a similarly stupid manner.Wavey_Nooby said: Bro I hope you're trolling right now. If not then god damn please shut up. You literally sound like those clowns who say violent video games cause people to be violent. Just because YOU don't approve of the content doesn't mean you can make up shit like this. I think I've seen a fair share of fucked up anime but never have I thought to go and sexually assault or kill anyone because of it. Just because YOU copy what you see in anime doesn't mean everyone else does. Let me guess, you were the kid that liked to Naruto run at school or go SSJ? lmao society is evolving really fast, just backwards sexual assault and a guy slashing someone open with a huge-ass sword are different things. sexual stuff is a taboo in many communities (im not saying "rEpRoDuCtIoN bAd", but rape, assault and harassment is a bad thing) and sexual assault is the invasion of another person's body, a major wound inflicted on them, both physically and mentally just cause someone says that portrayal of things like this, in the wrong manner (perverted, fetish) is bad, doesn't mean they are those retards who say video games cause violence. rape in anime doesn't cause rape in real life either violence, blood, war, it is basic human nature. reproduction is too however sexual assault is demented and if someone brings it up as bad, you shouldn't frown upon them |
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subahokke said: hm. it might be hard for men to understand but sexual harassment is not normal. why do you think sexual violence is okay? it is wrong in every single way, and i'm sick of people acting like its not a big deal. do i need to give a fucking reason? are you so oblivious to the endless amount of rape and sexual assault cases every single day? i know your argument will be "but its fiction!! its not real!!" so what if its not real? fiction affects reality. and if people see it normalized in an animation, itll be more common in real life too. maybe try experiencing this before disagreeing. if you werent trying to come off as rude, im sorry. its hard to read tone through text. but my point still stands-- it should not be normalized because of the daily struggles women have to endure all because of the men this certain thing is targeted towards. I seriously hope this is a joke. I had a fucking brain aneurysm reading this shit. Your first sentence alone proves that your neurons are non-existent. Listen, I'm not trying to be mean here and I am fully aware that starting an argument by insulting someone is the worst way to start an argument with someone, but this just had to be said. So what you're saying in your first sentence is that women have a better understanding of sexual harassment than men do? Not only is that sexist, but that is fucking wrong. Men can understand sexual harassment just as well as women do, not only that, but they experience it as well. Everyone knows that sexual harassment is not normal and shouldn't be normalized, but oh my GOD you are making such a big deal out of something so miniscule and monumentally insignificant. For fucks sake, IT IS FICTION. Fictional characters cannot feel since they are not real, and you're acting as if they are. We are all aware of all the disgusting shit that happens in real life. We know. So why do you think we don't? Maybe it's because sexual harassment in fiction and real life don't influence one another much... or should I say, AT ALL. "fiction affects reality. and if people see it normalized in an animation, itll be more common in real life too. maybe try experiencing this before disagreeing." This is the dumbest thing I've read all week. Wow. Just... WOW. You'd have to be a complete and utter RETARD to imitate what you see in fiction in reality, and you'd have to be one just as big to believe this. We as humans have morals and we know of the consequences of pulling something off like this in real life. Sexual harassment is something society has always been strictly against, and if it becomes common or normalized in animation, it'll have no effect. Also *COUGH COUGH* WOMEN HAVE MORE RAPE FANTASIES COMPARED TO MEN AND THERE ARE ANIME OUT THERE FOR WOMEN WITH THIS KIND OF KINK: https://myanimelist.net/anime/37320/Amai_Choubatsu__Watashi_wa_Kanshu_Senyou_Pet?q=amai&cat=anime The normalization of any of this will not affect our society at all. If anything, it will decrease the amount of sexual assault/harassment cases. Animation and other fictional media are meant to be worlds to escape to, worlds where people can live their fantasies and desires without exerting them in real life or harming others. Granting people that opportunity will help them live out their fantasies without harming others. This reminds me of the time where Japan unbanned loli "stuff" and there was a significant decrease in reported cases of sexual assault on kids. Even if you think it's wrong, it still helps society in the end. And one more thing, most anime fans, or people in general, have no intention of assaulting or sexually harassing people in the first place, and many of them find sexual assault whether it be fictional or non-fictional to be wrong, as proven by many users in this thread. Please don't make baseless claims or arguments with no evidence to back them up. |
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Wavey_Nooby said: Spektral_Beast said: I understand what you're saying man but that's not the point I was trying to make. I wasn't ragging on the dude because he was pointing out that sexual assault is bad. The dude said that sexual assault in anime would cause more sexual assaults in real life. He didn't show any proof of this but said it as if it was a fact. I could only assume that if he truly believes this then he must be someone who goes around doing everything he sees on tv or in movies. If you don't like sexual assault in anime and you want to voice your opinions, that is fine. But for him to state his speculation as fact so brazenly deserves a rebuttal in a similarly stupid manner.lmao society is evolving really fast, just backwards sexual assault and a guy slashing someone open with a huge-ass sword are different things. sexual stuff is a taboo in many communities (im not saying "rEpRoDuCtIoN bAd", but rape, assault and harassment is a bad thing) and sexual assault is the invasion of another person's body, a major wound inflicted on them, both physically and mentally just cause someone says that portrayal of things like this, in the wrong manner (perverted, fetish) is bad, doesn't mean they are those retards who say video games cause violence. rape in anime doesn't cause rape in real life either violence, blood, war, it is basic human nature. reproduction is too however sexual assault is demented and if someone brings it up as bad, you shouldn't frown upon them Ok but I have a habit of assuming tone in text and i'm pretty good with it but seems i've made a little mistake here. also i think the guy wanted to say things similar to me but didn't word it right, therefore the meaning came out differently. your hypothesis is acceptable for me, however you could have been a little more polite :) |
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| I guess it's just fanservice, it's pretty weird that it's kind of normalized |
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| Just tossing it out there, but Isn't it better that creators get this shit out through their works rather than acting on it in real life? I mean what's worse, a drawing getting harassed, or an actual person? |
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| Because it's fiction and people want to see there something they can't see or do irl. It's ok to shred 100 guys with a sword but to touch a booba is a nono? Stop bringing reality into fiction. This is just destroying the very idea of fiction. If you don't like it - skip \ close \ go watch something more acceptable for you. |
CDXX-LXIX said: Because it's fiction and people want to see there something they can't see or do irl. It's ok to shred 100 guys with a sword but to touch a booba is a nono? Stop bringing reality into fiction. This is just destroying the very idea of fiction. If you don't like it - skip \ close \ go watch something more acceptable for you. Difference between shredding people (violence) and groping a woman (sexual harassment) is that one is the very base of human emotions and the other is the dementedness of a mentally disturbed person. |
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Spektral_Beast said: CDXX-LXIX said: Because it's fiction and people want to see there something they can't see or do irl. It's ok to shred 100 guys with a sword but to touch a booba is a nono? Stop bringing reality into fiction. This is just destroying the very idea of fiction. If you don't like it - skip \ close \ go watch something more acceptable for you. Difference between shredding people (violence) and groping a woman (sexual harassment) is that one is the very base of human emotions and the other is the dementedness of a mentally disturbed person. What a load of nonsense. Both are acts of aggression and both are the parts of a human. It's just like saying stealing is bad and despair of a broken man but if you steal from a rich person it's a redistribution to those who are in need. If you like one part of it but not the other it's your problem. If you can depict the first you can depict the second too. |
CDXX-LXIX said: Spektral_Beast said: Difference between shredding people (violence) and groping a woman (sexual harassment) is that one is the very base of human emotions and the other is the dementedness of a mentally disturbed person. What a load of nonsense. Both are acts of aggression and both are the parts of a human. It's just like saying stealing is bad and despair of a broken man but if you steal from a rich person it's a redistribution to those who are in need. If you like one part of it but not the other it's your problem. If you can depict the first you can depict the second too. Your opinion is ok, but maybe you don't understand what I'm trying to say. Violence is common in nature. We view it as cruel, but it's just the norm. It's essential for survival. On human terms, war and death are extremely common in our history. However, have you seen sexual assault among animals? Usually, the female is stronger, as she is the progenitor, the male couldn't dare (in most cases). Sexual assault is the result of mental degeneration of human beings. If a lion attacked you, would you hurt it? Or would you go, "oh no it's an animal, poor thing, here, eat me". No, you would most likely hit it with whatever weapon you got. If you saw a woman lying naked and helpless on the floor, would you go invade her? No, you would most likely wrap your clothes around her and try to help her. The reason I used this example is that it displays what would happen in both cases. In the first case, you have the option to be the prey, in the second, you have the option to be the predator, it depends on your thoughts. Tell me, would you watch a guy get stabbed or a woman get raped? Both are equally bad. But human society is built upon war and destruction, therefore, it is within us to accept it. Still, not saying violence is better than rape or it's a good thing, it's just that it is imprinted on us so deeply that it doesn't shake us at all. It doesn't shake us, because in media, behind the violence, there is reason: survival, revenge, hate or an acceptable motivation. You can watch a guy kill for revenge, but can you watch someone kill for fun? Can there be an acceptable reason behind rape? I am not against depiction of sexual harassment, I am against the improper depiction of it. Perverted depictions of such cruelty only display the mental impairment of the writer and serve as candy to sexual predators. Anyways, I'm done here and I've said whatever I wanted to. If you still wanna debate, come to the PMs. |
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epidemia78 said: Why are sexual harassment and assault scenes so common in anime? It's not. You should stop watching rape hentai bro This is the best opinion on here, no further debate. |
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| I dont see much of sexual harrassment and rape scene whatsover in anime so i dont know what you're talking about. Are you confusing anime with h-doujinshis or smthn? It doesn't really happen all that often in anime. I mean i can't even name one from this season. If it's all that common why is there none this season? Are you mistaking sexual harassment with fanservices? Well there will always be one pervy character in anime that always want touch girls boobs or flip their skirt or smthn. But i don't see it as something normal or appropriate to do. There's a line between fiction and reality and i know how to differentiate it. I won't harass a girl irl. In anime the characters are merely the creation of the author. It's a work of fiction, they're free to fantasize however they want it to be. Female characters in anime are objects and not human. They don't have any real personality of their own. They're merely the reflection of the author's mind, his fantasy. Even when a character seem very human and relatable they're not completely real and will never be real. I can fantasize about having harems and grope the boobs of every girl i see in anime but irl? No way in hell that'd ever happen. But the author or the viewers might want to fantasize about that. Life sucks and you dont get everything you want. But in fiction you are free to do as you please. I sometimes want to see a fanservice or two in fiction. Because i know it's not real and i want an escape from reality itself. Anime is made with this intention i believe. It's for escapism, you don't watch a hentai to frick girl. You watch it because you know you can't do it irl *sadge*. Well there is a reason why anime is such a niche community in the past. It's because some things are exaggregated and far fetched from reality. Some things wouldn't work irl and would certainly feel weird or CRINGE. I mean i wont leap like a frog whenever i see a sexy girl. And i certainly will never dare to flip a girl's skirt or steal their pants. I don't even want to be near them let alone do such heinous things irl. It's just a hyperbole put into animated characters. A character would nosebleed if they see someone sexy which shows just how hot the girl is. So hot that his blood boils and made him bleed his nose. Same goes for any fanservice in anime. Mind you, it is not normalized. If it's not an ecchi or hentai there'd always be a character that'd bonk their head or stop them if they went too far. For fanservices that's what usually happen at least. For rape... well i do agree that sometimes i wonder why it's there when its not even needed. Like in SAO, i understand that villains are supposed to be despicable but the author doean't have to go so far as to make him lick their tears or tease them with their tentacles... i don't need that for a game fantasy story. AGAIN not every anime has rape. I would have stopped watching anime long time ago if every anime i see has rape in it. That's a nightmare. I might love rape in hentai but in any other genre? No thanks. That's the same as putting alcohol into everything people drink. Some people might like alcohol but its not like that's the only thing they drink. You wouldn't want to get drunk every damn second you drink something. There needs to be a balance or else you'd suffer from a hangover... Idk if i explain it correctly but whatever that's my opinion anyway. |
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subahokke said: Wavey_Nooby said: Bro I hope you're trolling right now. If not then god damn please shut up. You literally sound like those clowns who say violent video games cause people to be violent. Just because YOU don't approve of the content doesn't mean you can make up shit like this. I think I've seen a fair share of fucked up anime but never have I thought to go and sexually assault or kill anyone because of it. Just because YOU copy what you see in anime doesn't mean everyone else does. Let me guess, you were the kid that liked to Naruto run at school or go SSJ? um who said i copy what i see. its a fucking fact that fiction affects reality, not by people raping girls but in small ways. perhaps you would have known this if there was even a single fiber or hint of a brain in your skull. i did not naruto run at school. obviously not everyone is going to copy what they see in fiction, but it does affect reality. has any media ever made you cry? or laugh? or change your thinking about something? thats affecting reality. and just because YOU say youre not going to go oit and sexually assault or kill someone doesnt mean others wont. even without media in the first place, it still exists, and it shouldnt be normalized I do hope you realize that you're up against @Wavey_Nooby, @ACasualViewer, @thepath, @Weebbe, and a few others here, most of whom gave an analogy to violent video games or other forms of violent content. I am curious on your take on this; can you please provide a well reasoned, logical argument as to why other forms of violence in media is a bad analogy compared to sexual assault when discussing what is influential to real life? Based on your replies, you keep dodging the analogy. |
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| I don't think sexual harassment and assault scenes so common in anime. I rarely see any kind of "assault scenes" and "sexual harassment" in anime. epidemia78 said: Why are sexual harassment and assault scenes so common in anime? It's not. You should stop watching rape hentai bro Fact. |
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| Watch Studio Ghibli’s animated films. Read director Miyazaki’s book in which he talks about the sexualization of anime and degradation of morality. If we agree that his generation is the pioneer of Japanese animation, then we realize it wasn’t meant to be like this. Somewhere along the way someone took this industry, twisted and bent it for greater profits, and the end result is what we see today. Anime studios competing to show more boobs, bigger boobs, flashing undies, soft porn. Trace back to its origin and you’ll see anime didn’t start out like this. |
Spektral_Beast said: However, have you seen sexual assault among animals? Usually, the female is stronger, as she is the progenitor, the male couldn't dare (in most cases). Sexual assault is the result of mental degeneration of human beings. Just to name a few. Ducks, penguins, orangutans, dolphins, Chimpanzee, roosters, sea otters, sea lions, hamadryas baboon, water striders, scorpion flies, Little brown bat, white fronted bee-eater and geese. |
Sailor Moon, Gunbuster, City Hunter would like to have a word with you. Miyazaki's a diehard traditionalist that only acknowledges his own niche ideals of animation. Even contemporaries like Kon and Watanabe would be considered determental because they rather explore the landscape of animation rather then uphold some arbitrary status quo. While I agree with his stance on drawing from life and remembering artistic roots but he completely ignores the subjectivity that comes with life perspective and artistic expression. That which encompasses themes such as nudity and sexuality, not exclude them. Putting aside that point, I've seen hundreds of shows and I can say with confidence that the vast majority of them don't contain sexual harassment and assault. I can only assume that what people mistaken as such are just physical gags typically found in comedy or harem shows. Arguably immature and low brow but by no means egregious as harassment and assault. As for actual examples of harassment and assault they are few and far between. |
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| It isn't that common though, at least these days. Sounds more like 2000's humor that also was the case for films marketed as teenage comedies. And arguably if we ignore fetish works, most titles that have some sort of sexual harassment use it as a joke as well and demographic is teenagers. |
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Opticflash said: subahokke said: um who said i copy what i see. its a fucking fact that fiction affects reality, not by people raping girls but in small ways. perhaps you would have known this if there was even a single fiber or hint of a brain in your skull. i did not naruto run at school. obviously not everyone is going to copy what they see in fiction, but it does affect reality. has any media ever made you cry? or laugh? or change your thinking about something? thats affecting reality. and just because YOU say youre not going to go oit and sexually assault or kill someone doesnt mean others wont. even without media in the first place, it still exists, and it shouldnt be normalized I do hope you realize that you're up against @Wavey_Nooby, @ACasualViewer, @thepath, @Weebbe, and a few others here, most of whom gave an analogy to violent video games or other forms of violent content. I am curious on your take on this; can you please provide a well reasoned, logical argument as to why other forms of violence in media is a bad analogy compared to sexual assault when discussing what is influential to real life? Based on your replies, you keep dodging the analogy. i dont feel the need to argue with every single person who replies to me. just going to leave it at what they want to believe, its impossible to change someones pov at this point. i still go stongly by what i said, but its not my job to provide heaps of evidence to every single person who wants to reply to me. they can all believe what they want 👍 i have better things to do than sit here and talk about sexual assault to people that think fiction doesnt affect reality |
subahokke said: I never asked you to provide heaps of evidence. You provided none whatsoever. I saw your outlandish claim that had no substantiating evidence to support it, and I decided to ridicule you because of that. Yet you continue to bring up "fiction affecting reality". Opticflash said: I do hope you realize that you're up against @Wavey_Nooby, @ACasualViewer, @thepath, @Weebbe, and a few others here, most of whom gave an analogy to violent video games or other forms of violent content. I am curious on your take on this; can you please provide a well reasoned, logical argument as to why other forms of violence in media is a bad analogy compared to sexual assault when discussing what is influential to real life? Based on your replies, you keep dodging the analogy. i dont feel the need to argue with every single person who replies to me. just going to leave it at what they want to believe, its impossible to change someones pov at this point. i still go stongly by what i said, but its not my job to provide heaps of evidence to every single person who wants to reply to me. they can all believe what they want 👍 i have better things to do than sit here and talk about sexual assault to people that think fiction doesnt affect reality |
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subahokke said: Opticflash said: I do hope you realize that you're up against @Wavey_Nooby, @ACasualViewer, @thepath, @Weebbe, and a few others here, most of whom gave an analogy to violent video games or other forms of violent content. I am curious on your take on this; can you please provide a well reasoned, logical argument as to why other forms of violence in media is a bad analogy compared to sexual assault when discussing what is influential to real life? Based on your replies, you keep dodging the analogy. i dont feel the need to argue with every single person who replies to me. just going to leave it at what they want to believe, its impossible to change someones pov at this point. i still go stongly by what i said, but its not my job to provide heaps of evidence to every single person who wants to reply to me. they can all believe what they want 👍 i have better things to do than sit here and talk about sexual assault to people that think fiction doesnt affect reality You don't need to provide a lot of evidence. Like @Wavey_Nooby said, you didn't provide any. I think a single example or even just a paragraph explaining why you think other forms of violence should get a pass, while sexual assault shouldn't, would suffice. I think most people can agree that anybody who says that "fiction does not affect reality whatsoever" is out of touch with reality. However, to make the corollary statement "therefore, sexual assault in anime influences real life actions" is a non-sequitur. The specific example "sexual assault in anime influences real life actions" does not logically follow as a result of the general statement "fiction has an impact on reality". |
Opticflash said: Right! I'm not going to sit here and say that works of fiction have never inspired people in real life to do things because that would be idiotic. But to just say "fiction affects reality" is too broad and can be applied to anything. I'm done beating this dead horse unless @subahokke can provide more than just rhetoric. subahokke said: i dont feel the need to argue with every single person who replies to me. just going to leave it at what they want to believe, its impossible to change someones pov at this point. i still go stongly by what i said, but its not my job to provide heaps of evidence to every single person who wants to reply to me. they can all believe what they want 👍 i have better things to do than sit here and talk about sexual assault to people that think fiction doesnt affect reality You don't need to provide a lot of evidence. Like @Wavey_Nooby said, you didn't provide any. I think a single example or even just a paragraph explaining why you think other forms of violence should get a pass, while sexual assault shouldn't, would suffice. I think most people can agree that anybody who says that "fiction does not affect reality whatsoever" is out of touch with reality. However, to make the corollary statement "therefore, sexual assault in anime influences real life actions" is a non-sequitur. The specific example "sexual assault in anime influences real life actions" does not logically follow as a result of the general statement "fiction has an impact on reality". |
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Lol. The answer to pretentious self righteous virtue signaling has and always will be, anti-virtue signaling. Isn't 99% of these threads some teenager whom stumbled into some graphic adult entertainment and had their sister/oedipus complex triggered in which they will protect them from all the other men. Like dragons being forced to comprehend the concept of mortality in Skyrim. In his Nichomachean Ethics, Aristotle remarked that behavior that is “unjust . . . becomes more unjust as it is practised on closer friends. It is more shocking, e.g., to rob a companion of money than to rob a fellowcitizen, to fail to help a brother than a stranger, and to strike one’s father than anyone else.”1 Modern society appears to have taken the opposite view: violent behavior directed towards strangers is perceived as more serious than violent behavior between two individuals who have an existing relationship. While violence between intimates is seen as an essentially unavoidable by-product of personal relationships, violence between strangers has been portrayed as a random act by predators who threaten society at large. https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1149&context=law_lawreview |
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nagisa113 said: Spektral_Beast said: However, have you seen sexual assault among animals? Usually, the female is stronger, as she is the progenitor, the male couldn't dare (in most cases). Sexual assault is the result of mental degeneration of human beings. Just to name a few. Ducks, penguins, orangutans, dolphins, Chimpanzee, roosters, sea otters, sea lions, hamadryas baboon, water striders, scorpion flies, Little brown bat, white fronted bee-eater and geese. Look I told you I'm not sure among how many it happens however I was aware that it happens for some, and you can see these are mostly aquatic which I know nothing of. I'm sorry if I was wrong. However I am still against this. We humans call ourselves developed and intelligent and then to things like this, it's just messed up thing imo for what is supposedly the pinnacle of evolution on earth. Representing it in a manner which showcases regrets, suffering and justice to the participants is what is proper depiction instead of a grown guy motorboating a high school girl and getting away with it. Reproductive processes are supposed to be the natural process of procreation. Why the fuck does anime show women with tiddies the size of basketballs, both genders flashing their undies, and whole sorts of twisted sexual advances. Reproduction is not a demented thing or anything but lately media has been showing perverted stuff for no reason. I mean, Hentai is a thing right? Those who want to get off can go to hentai, why is anime turning into hentai? |
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| I literally don't understand mfs here are defending the wrong depiction of sexual assault. |
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Spektral_Beast said: CDXX-LXIX said: What a load of nonsense. Both are acts of aggression and both are the parts of a human. It's just like saying stealing is bad and despair of a broken man but if you steal from a rich person it's a redistribution to those who are in need. If you like one part of it but not the other it's your problem. If you can depict the first you can depict the second too. Your opinion is ok, but maybe you don't understand what I'm trying to say. Violence is common in nature. We view it as cruel, but it's just the norm. It's essential for survival. On human terms, war and death are extremely common in our history. However, have you seen sexual assault among animals? Usually, the female is stronger, as she is the progenitor, the male couldn't dare (in most cases). Sexual assault is the result of mental degeneration of human beings. If a lion attacked you, would you hurt it? Or would you go, "oh no it's an animal, poor thing, here, eat me". No, you would most likely hit it with whatever weapon you got. If you saw a woman lying naked and helpless on the floor, would you go invade her? No, you would most likely wrap your clothes around her and try to help her. The reason I used this example is that it displays what would happen in both cases. In the first case, you have the option to be the prey, in the second, you have the option to be the predator, it depends on your thoughts. Tell me, would you watch a guy get stabbed or a woman get raped? Both are equally bad. But human society is built upon war and destruction, therefore, it is within us to accept it. Still, not saying violence is better than rape or it's a good thing, it's just that it is imprinted on us so deeply that it doesn't shake us at all. It doesn't shake us, because in media, behind the violence, there is reason: survival, revenge, hate or an acceptable motivation. You can watch a guy kill for revenge, but can you watch someone kill for fun? Can there be an acceptable reason behind rape? I am not against depiction of sexual harassment, I am against the improper depiction of it. Perverted depictions of such cruelty only display the mental impairment of the writer and serve as candy to sexual predators. Anyways, I'm done here and I've said whatever I wanted to. If you still wanna debate, come to the PMs. Well I'm not very interested in debates myself but I'll say this thing just so people wouldn't be mislead. Dolphins, ducks and chimpanzees are well known rapists. Those are examples that I'm aware of but I think there is more. Furthermore, dolphins may simply gangbang to the death some lost female from the other flock. Plus you are trying to express your personal opinion and decisions as a common norm. All these norms are a new thing, product of a new era. Now most people (I hope) would not invade a naked lying woman but the farther you go in the past the lesser this number will be. The same goes for the age of consent, child labor, slavery, drug usage.. etc. We are evolving as a social beings and rethinking our values. Stopping depiction of some actions won't help in solving them irl. |
Stopping depiction of some actions won't help in solving them irl. I am against perverted depictions not depictions themselves. Also, I get your point. Maybe I misunderstood what you wanted to say? It seemed to me that you were defending harassment but that's not the case. I apologise, however a part of my point still stands |
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| Yes, yes... sexual assault bad. Sexual harassment bad. Anyone with an IQ higher than the average room temperature knows this. The next question is... by whose standards are we defining these? One person's/society's "sexual harassment" is another's "FLIRTING". What if the girl is absolutely enjoying the attention and playing the game of being coy about it? Who the hell are you to tell them they can't interact that way? You don't get to project your values on to anyone/everyone else. Outside of Hentai, I'm still waiting for ANY references to show how these are "common in anime". Even if you could name 40 titles, given how many years of content (and the total number of shows for that time span) you'd have to search to get those titles, that isn't "common". Don't most cases of ecchi content even remotely considered as these, result in the guy getting slapped/punched/kicked/etc? The guy doesn't even have to actually DO anything, he could have innocently just been there and happened to witness something the girl did, but because she got super embarrassed over something he witnessed that SHE did, he still often gets assaulted/abused. How is that normalizing this "bad" behavior other than showing that bad behavior often gets punished? Should we also be outraged that alien life is depicted as 'monsters that want to either destroy the Earth or to scavenge it's resources'? That's a far more common thing than sexual harassment. When we finally DO encounter alien life, we'll be so indoctrinated that we'll attempt to destroy said aliens before we even know their intent. Be sure to write your Congressman or other legislative representatives and express your outrage at the unfair depiction of alien life in fiction. We wouldn't want to "normalize" violent behavior towards beings we haven't even met yet, would we? |
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subahokke said: thepath said: I don't think sexual assault is common.. Just one or two 1 min scene in SAO or few other anime have it that does not make it common.... Why not ? I don't think it need any defending... because you did not even give any good reason to why it is wrong !! Non-sexual violence in ok in fictional anime ?? but not sexual one ? hm. it might be hard for men to understand but sexual harassment is not normal. why do you think sexual violence is okay? it is wrong in every single way, and i'm sick of people acting like its not a big deal. do i need to give a fucking reason? are you so oblivious to the endless amount of rape and sexual assault cases every single day? i know your argument will be "but its fiction!! its not real!!" so what if its not real? fiction affects reality. and if people see it normalized in an animation, itll be more common in real life too. maybe try experiencing this before disagreeing. if you werent trying to come off as rude, im sorry. its hard to read tone through text. but my point still stands-- it should not be normalized because of the daily struggles women have to endure all because of the men this certain thing is targeted towards. This is just flat-out wrong. EVERYTHING is ok in fiction. Trying to demonize shit that don’t matter is just stupid. |
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| If you want to see some actual sexual harassment and assault scenes, go watch those "I spit on your grave" movies Then come back to anime and you probably won't think a fictional character accidentally grabbing another fictional character's boob is so bad |
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| Not exactly "sexual harassment" but sexualization and fanservice bits (you know what I mean) are pretty prevalent in anime, to the point of my annoyance. I don't hate them, but I sometimes wonder how pathetic the audience is that needs to be supplied by panty shots and boob grabs 24/7. |
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| Sadly is not even common anymore, anime today are made for PC, rarely i see anime with hard fanservice like back in the days, west destroyed anime like everything when it becomes mainstream, today anime is only moeblob and isekai, or bad copy of a copy |
| It's pretty common with ecchi obviously for fanservice but there are anime that aren't even ecchi and had pretty awkward scene where the MC suddenly became a sexual offender for no reason (i.e. Maison Ikkoku and Royal Space Force). Haven't watched many 80s anime so I'm not sure if they're as common as that. |
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