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Mar 4, 2021 4:29 PM
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swordmaster2551 said:
Well that episode sure answered a good deal of questions and theories I had, good.


What questions got answered for you? Can you share with a spoiler tag :) Love to hear peoples theories.
Mar 4, 2021 4:31 PM

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So, you have the ability to loop time. Do you do the old Back to the Future bet on the sports almanac thing and ace all the tests, know the environment better to weasel your way into making connections with rich people AND also be with your best friend while said best friend gets to pursue her dream? No, that's just silly. Better off using all those time loops to make her suffer instead!

Pic below is basically Gou Satoko in a nutshell


Mar 4, 2021 4:35 PM

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I knew it, so Satoka was the mastermind all along.
So basically he's chasing that one time line to break Rika's will entirely.
She finally reaches that goal at ep16's timeline and break Rika'a will to leave the village.

All the tragedies stopped after she gave up the thought of leaving because Rikia is not tinkering the event that'd lead to Rika's death again.
Mar 4, 2021 4:39 PM
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ssjokg said:
MightyM17 said:



Anime spent 3 episodes portraying that going to St. Lucia is a hell route for Satoko in all aspects:

>Ostracizing community she clearly not suited for

>Academic bar much higher than her ability

>No fun in any aspect of school life in contrast to village school

>Being thrown in a fucking jail, basically an isolation torture

>And of course the fact that Rika gives no shit about her "best friend" suffering. Perfectly fine living without her. Making false selfish promises to make things worse

Despite that people like you still reduce her motivation to prevent all this to "lol she didn't want to read a book". Are you guys crazy? So she'll get better grades and then what? Academic activity still will take most of her time. She still will be a loner because of her personality. Rika still leave her out of her ojou-sama circle - they are just incompatible in this setting.

She has every right to evade this route. Yes, she got some screws loose in the process of looping (and before that in that shitty school, and before that during her shitty childhood). But so is Rika. And Rika herself said in this same ep that she wanted BOTH the academy and Satoko.

Also we don't know what Satoko has been doing in the background. Her perfect world in Nekodamashi basically had the whole Takano/Mountain Dog dilemma solved like child's play. We should just wait to see what she actually pulled.


Maybe if she was studying a bit and didn't almost kill other kids with "pranks" she would be able to have a normal life.

In the end nobody else is at fault. She is the one that ostracized herself and put herself below Rika and the others.

She demands sacrifices from Rika but isn't willing to do some herself.

I feel no pity for this unreasonable brat.


Incredible how you still think study is the issue. Satoko tried studying mate. She spent an entire year in that school doing nothing but that. But that isn't simply how it works, some people don't get to learn things well unless they're motivated and Satoko has 0 motivation in that school.

Rika herself isn't willing to come clean with Satoko and reveal to her that she choses the academy over her. She makes false/empty promises over it which is what screws Satoko over.

Satoko's clearly over herself here but considering how much she ended up looping, it's completely expected.

Saikoroshi shows the same for Rika. They both became extremely selfish beings.
Mar 4, 2021 4:40 PM
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Nilvius said:
So, you have the ability to loop time. Do you do the old Back to the Future bet on the sports almanac thing and ace all the tests, know the environment better to weasel your way into making connections with rich people AND also be with your best friend while said best friend gets to pursue her dream? No, that's just silly. Better off using all those time loops to make her suffer instead!

Pic below is basically Gou Satoko in a nutshell




Good job missing the entire point.
Mar 4, 2021 4:46 PM

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Ok, what to say of today's episode?
The fingersnaps are getting ridiculously annoying?
.. I guess that's it, other than that, not a bad episode in itself.

Also remember kids, the TheoRyCraFTinG!

daniboi1 said:
She went crazy watching the original Higurashi lol.
LMAO, great one, this makes the perfect sense! xD
ssjokg said:
Lets take a minute to pay respects to the song that used to have meaning in this series full of tragedy.



We've come a long way indeed, memories, and sadness of what it all has become
ssjokg said:
This is beautiful


Where is this Rika? This would have ended the plot of Gou before it even begun.
More Good times. Deen just keeps getting better and better, well done gou.
Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
At this point i think Ryukishi07 made Gou shit intentionally, can he really write this shit unironically?
Well that's okay, but rather than making a story better than gou, just say that the monke would eventually make gou..

Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.
Mar 4, 2021 4:49 PM

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MightyM17 said:
Nilvius said:
So, you have the ability to loop time. Do you do the old Back to the Future bet on the sports almanac thing and ace all the tests, know the environment better to weasel your way into making connections with rich people AND also be with your best friend while said best friend gets to pursue her dream? No, that's just silly. Better off using all those time loops to make her suffer instead!

Pic below is basically Gou Satoko in a nutshell




Good job missing the entire point.


I gave an answer to your previous post. Satoko had infinite time on her hands and basically used it away to break Rika instead of doing anything else.

Featherine just wants to see something interesting. From what I remember of Umineko she's not explicitly malicious, just wants to see something that keeps her entertained. Doesn't necessarily have to be death and destruction. Although this is somewhat contradicted by what she says.
Mar 4, 2021 4:50 PM

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Harlequina said:
March 4th boys. They did it. Hahaha, I like it.
damn, I didn't realise it's released on this date! XD good, good

But aside from thst one detail


Fuck gou
Satoko's character became trash, this series is trash. Is it some poor fan fiction adapted? I can't take this seriously really. Finally gave it a score. And it's the same score I recently gave ex arm, gou and exarm are equally shit
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Doesn't Featherine call Hanyuu Rika's horn? Probably pointing to them being different beings? That wording was a little too weird.

I wonder what Featherine did to the real Hanyuu?
Mar 4, 2021 4:52 PM
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Jin_uzuki said:


5 years of a high school you don't fit and you can avoid
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100 years of watching your friends go insane and your best friend being tortured of the most inhuman torture know to man.

WHAT WILL OUR LOOPERTOKO CHOSE??


The one that allows her to know her best friend Rika better over the one that will actively put her in an evironment she detests with all her being.



She didn't. Satoko refused the the first time she was offered. In the second loop is presumed the did the same thing. Satoko self sabotages all the time.


Rika offers her company. One time. And that's it.

She offers no other type of company for Satoko despite claiming and promising she would "never leave her side" and that "she would remain her best friend".

And even if Satoko accepted the offer, it was clear it wouldn't go well. Satoko isn't the type of person to like that sort of stuff, so she would piss off Rika and her new friends with her manners eventually.



Being insensitive to your friend's special needs and breaking a promise is not the same as murdering your friend in cold blood and throwing her in the same inhuman torture she escaped from the first time (While saving your ass in the process!) People's argument seem to be "Rika is bad", yeah OK, but Satoko is a literal psychopath who want Rika to spend the rest of her in the same village that torture her for 100 years, she's fundamentally devoid of any empathy at this point.


I don't know if you read Saikoroshi. But Rika is not a good person either, she killed her mom in a world where everything was perfect and ok just to escape back to her own perfect world. Rika wanted BOTH the academy and Satoko, she did not want to choose one. She guilt trips Satoko into taking the test with her and offers her false promises just so she can get her ideal dream.

That's not to say Satoko is sane either. It's clear that looping and killing herself over and over took a toll on her mind. The over 100 years also screwed her further.



And Satoko's hell is entirely of her own making, because unlike characters like
or even her 10 years old self, she can just fucking not go to the damn high school!


Yes she can. But that's not the issue. The issue is that Satoko feels betrayed by Rika and understandably so. Rika does not want to choose between Satoko and the academy and because she never gave Satoko a clear answer and instead guilt trips her into taking the test with her that makes Satoko believe that she has a chance to keep Rika with her in the village where they can both be happy.

It's not a situation created by only Satoko but a misture of Rika, Satoko and Not!Featherine.
Mar 4, 2021 4:56 PM

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Betrayed enough to decide to mentally break her by killing her again and again to the point of nothing instead of trying to catch up with her.

Not saying that Rika is right, but the point here that nobody is. Both of them are in the wrong. However Satoko is the one going to the extremes. If she is going to break Rika... Might as well leave her and do your own thing.

It's true that Rika killed her mother, that is Nothing! Compared to what Satoko is doing. She is killing Rika over and over again with the goal of mentally breaking her. Not to mention she is most likely killing and hurting her friends and making them go L5 to get back at Rika.

She's ruining countless worlds for her grudge match with Rika. Saikoroshi is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to this.

Rika should have stills expected Satoko to be negatively effected by St Lucia. Not defending her decision to do that.
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Chargecoulomb said:
Betrayed enough to decide to mentally break her by killing her again and again to the point of nothing instead of trying to catch up with her.

Not saying that Rika is right, but the point here that nobody is. Both of them are in the wrong. However Satoko is the one going to the extremes. If she is going to break Rika... Might as well leave her and do your own thing.


You're right, at this point it's clear R07 is making a Lambda/Bern origin story with their looper personalities. I just wonder how he will tie this stuff up.
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MightyM17 said:
ssjokg said:


Maybe if she was studying a bit and didn't almost kill other kids with "pranks" she would be able to have a normal life.

In the end nobody else is at fault. She is the one that ostracized herself and put herself below Rika and the others.

She demands sacrifices from Rika but isn't willing to do some herself.

I feel no pity for this unreasonable brat.


Incredible how you still think study is the issue. Satoko tried studying mate. She spent an entire year in that school doing nothing but that. But that isn't simply how it works, some people don't get to learn things well unless they're motivated and Satoko has 0 motivation in that school.

Rika herself isn't willing to come clean with Satoko and reveal to her that she choses the academy over her. She makes false/empty promises over it which is what screws Satoko over.

Satoko's clearly over herself here but considering how much she ended up looping, it's completely expected.

Saikoroshi shows the same for Rika. They both became extremely selfish beings.

Her studies, or lack of them, keep her away from Rika.

Also, no we don't know if she even tried studying from the first loop onwards. And if she has enough motivation to kill herself repeatedly then she better find some to study.
Honestly I don't care that she cant be bothered spend time studying but 100 years of 5D screening of Higurashi is logical option in her tiny stupid head.Her ass and tits took all the nutrients for the last 5 years.

Why is Rika lying? Couldn't it just be that she doesn't know how things will turn out? And if Satoko is the one staying away from her then it isn't her fault at all. Trying to guilt trip Rika and make her pick between her and a freaking school is way worse than Rika being oblivious of the future.

Saikoroshi shows what? A 100 year old loli that is suddenly isekaid to a world that isnt what she fought for, and everyone except her parents hate her for being a pampered kid?

Wow yes I can see the similarities.
Mar 4, 2021 5:02 PM

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the useful thing I learned is the water near the wheel is deep enough to drown people. lol

also pure evil Satoko seems to be the final antagonist of this.
Mar 4, 2021 5:07 PM

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Satoko is doing that magic trick all wrong.

Mar 4, 2021 5:13 PM

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So in short, "how dare you choosing education over me? The audacity!!! You deserve to suffer those 100 years of inevitable death again!!! REEEEEEEE".
This is the kind of Yandere that everyone and their grandma make fun of nowadays, and I'm supposed to take it seriously apparently.

Can't Satoko just, I don't know, insist on not wanting to go? Fail the exam on purpose, maybe? Let Rika go study alone for a few years? I know this is mind-blowing but high school is not a life long commitment you know? Imagine trying to solve this the humane way, when you could literally kill yourself countless times and force your friend to relive the 100 years suffering. Couldn't be me.
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For everyone who's complaining Satoko can go through 100 years of fragments but not sit through all of high school:
1: Yeah, High School sucks that bad (had to say it)
2: From Satoko's POV, Rika had already pushed her away due to the school. Studying sucks but the school itself and its influence on Rika were poison.
3: There is zero guarentee Rika and Saotko would suddently be as close as they were after graduating.

So it's really not a point to talk about at all.

ssjokg said:
This is beautiful


Where is this Rika? This would have ended the plot of Gou before it even begun.


I've seriously been thinking about it and this Rika was basically channeling Gou's Satoko.

That Satoko had a large support system outside of Rika: Friends, mother, step father, brother. Got along with all of them, didn't need or even care about Rika at all. Yet Rika gave up Satoko having all that and her having her family and getting to leave Hinamizawa because of that. But she gave it all up to go back to Hinamizawa and have Satoko in her life.

Was this fragment on Satoko's watch list because I think she might have some kind of reaction to it, it mirrors the current story in a lot of ways.

Gar_Logan said:
Pretty sure this is a common theory, but maybe...

Rika will kill Satoko with the sword, but it won't "kill" her, it will kill the /looper/ in her. She might kill herself too or something. And then the loopers will have their own separate split entity (if they go the umineko route) and human Rika/Satoko will have some cheesy happy ending.


Someone is definitely getting killed with onigari-no-ryuuou. That ending is definitely possible, but seems like such a cop-out. Other possibilities are:
1: Rika kills Satoko, realizing her friend is too far gone. She resumes her life without her former closest friend.
2: Rika sacrifices herself rather than kill Satoko.
3: Someone else kills Rika... Maybe Takano? Lol.
4: Someone else kills Satoko.
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MightyM17 said:
Jin_uzuki said:


5 years of a high school you don't fit and you can avoid
vs
100 years of watching your friends go insane and your best friend being tortured of the most inhuman torture know to man.

WHAT WILL OUR LOOPERTOKO CHOSE??


The one that allows her to know her best friend Rika better over the one that will actively put her in an evironment she detests with all her being.



She didn't. Satoko refused the the first time she was offered. In the second loop is presumed the did the same thing. Satoko self sabotages all the time.


Rika offers her company. One time. And that's it.

She offers no other type of company for Satoko despite claiming and promising she would "never leave her side" and that "she would remain her best friend".

And even if Satoko accepted the offer, it was clear it wouldn't go well. Satoko isn't the type of person to like that sort of stuff, so she would piss off Rika and her new friends with her manners eventually.



Being insensitive to your friend's special needs and breaking a promise is not the same as murdering your friend in cold blood and throwing her in the same inhuman torture she escaped from the first time (While saving your ass in the process!) People's argument seem to be "Rika is bad", yeah OK, but Satoko is a literal psychopath who want Rika to spend the rest of her in the same village that torture her for 100 years, she's fundamentally devoid of any empathy at this point.


I don't know if you read Saikoroshi. But Rika is not a good person either, she killed her mom in a world where everything was perfect and ok just to escape back to her own perfect world. Rika wanted BOTH the academy and Satoko, she did not want to choose one. She guilt trips Satoko into taking the test with her and offers her false promises just so she can get her ideal dream.

That's not to say Satoko is sane either. It's clear that looping and killing herself over and over took a toll on her mind. The over 100 years also screwed her further.



And Satoko's hell is entirely of her own making, because unlike characters like
or even her 10 years old self, she can just fucking not go to the damn high school!


Yes she can. But that's not the issue. The issue is that Satoko feels betrayed by Rika and understandably so. Rika does not want to choose between Satoko and the academy and because she never gave Satoko a clear answer and instead guilt trips her into taking the test with her that makes Satoko believe that she has a chance to keep Rika with her in the village where they can both be happy.

It's not a situation created by only Satoko but a misture of Rika, Satoko and Not!Featherine.


jaw201 I can tell it's you, I recommend you change your style lol. Or post with your main account, so I can just skip your posts again.

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For those who haven't played Miotsukushi yet. This isn't really a spoiler but,





Got linked to this from Animesuki.

It's tragic seeing how different that Satoko and Gou Satoko is. One understood herself. The other didn't.

Precisely why Gou will never happen for her. She's aware of how she could have gone south if given the opportunity.
Mar 4, 2021 5:28 PM
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Wow don’t get me wrong I have always felt bad for Rika but I was team Satoko for the longest because I think it does suck that Rika just up and left her. But the fact that Satoko now knows of Rika’s 100 year loop struggles and she still wants to crush Rika’s spirit is crazy (in a good way). I don’t see Higurashi having the same happy ending this time around.
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Wow don’t get me wrong I have always felt bad for Rika but I was team Satoko for the longest because I think it does suck that Rika just up and left her. But the fact that Satoko now knows of Rika’s 100 year loop struggles and she still wants to crush Rika’s spirit is crazy (in a good way). I don’t see Higurashi having the same happy ending this time around.
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prepare4trouble said:
For everyone who's complaining Satoko can go through 100 years of fragments but not sit through all of high school:
1: Yeah, High School sucks that bad (had to say it)
2: From Satoko's POV, Rika had already pushed her away due to the school. Studying sucks but the school itself and its influence on Rika were poison.
3: There is zero guarentee Rika and Saotko would suddently be as close as they were after graduating.

So it's really not a point to talk about at all.

ssjokg said:
This is beautiful


Where is this Rika? This would have ended the plot of Gou before it even begun.


I've seriously been thinking about it and this Rika was basically channeling Gou's Satoko.

That Satoko had a large support system outside of Rika: Friends, mother, step father, brother. Got along with all of them, didn't need or even care about Rika at all. Yet Rika gave up Satoko having all that and her having her family and getting to leave Hinamizawa because of that. But she gave it all up to go back to Hinamizawa and have Satoko in her life.

Was this fragment on Satoko's watch list because I think she might have some kind of reaction to it, it mirrors the current story in a lot of ways.

If 2. is true then Satoko should give up on her.

I mean, you can bring any point you want but it still wont justify anything, the first loops, the 100 year binge watching, or the conclusion she reached.

Rika does not care about that world and wants to return to her own. If Saiko's fragment was real then everyone would still have their happy lives, except Rika's family for the obvious reasons.

Satoko is ruining everyone that considered her a friend or tried to help her.

As for Satoko seeing this...dunno. I have been questioning Saikoroshi's existence in Gou's timeline for some episodes now. If this leads to yhe birth of both Bern and Lambdadelta then it didn't happen.

But still who cares? If Rika beating up an actual bully annoys her then she better look in the mirror.
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At this point I don't see how anyone can understand and support Satoko's intentions at all. She's basically cracked to the point where she's gone completely insane and delusional about her 'love' for Rika because she fails to adapt and mature with changing times. To think she even has the gall to decide with a straight face that she wants to completely break her friend after learning about how she struggled and persevered through so much pain to achieve the life she wanted is something I find absolutely disgusting. I felt bad for her during her arcs in the OG anime and even during Gou's repeat but they just straight up destroyed her character and turned into some lunatic now.

I have no idea how this is gonna end but I'm curious what'll happen.
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prepare4trouble said:
For everyone who's complaining Satoko can go through 100 years of fragments but not sit through all of high school:
1: Yeah, High School sucks that bad (had to say it)
2: From Satoko's POV, Rika had already pushed her away due to the school. Studying sucks but the school itself and its influence on Rika were poison.
3: There is zero guarentee Rika and Saotko would suddently be as close as they were after graduating.

So it's really not a point to talk about at all.

ssjokg said:
This is beautiful


Where is this Rika? This would have ended the plot of Gou before it even begun.


I've seriously been thinking about it and this Rika was basically channeling Gou's Satoko.

That Satoko had a large support system outside of Rika: Friends, mother, step father, brother. Got along with all of them, didn't need or even care about Rika at all. Yet Rika gave up Satoko having all that and her having her family and getting to leave Hinamizawa because of that. But she gave it all up to go back to Hinamizawa and have Satoko in her life.

Was this fragment on Satoko's watch list because I think she might have some kind of reaction to it, it mirrors the current story in a lot of ways.

Gar_Logan said:
Pretty sure this is a common theory, but maybe...

Rika will kill Satoko with the sword, but it won't "kill" her, it will kill the /looper/ in her. She might kill herself too or something. And then the loopers will have their own separate split entity (if they go the umineko route) and human Rika/Satoko will have some cheesy happy ending.


Someone is definitely getting killed with onigari-no-ryuuou. That ending is definitely possible, but seems like such a cop-out. Other possibilities are:
1: Rika kills Satoko, realizing her friend is too far gone. She resumes her life without her former closest friend.
2: Rika sacrifices herself rather than kill Satoko.
3: Someone else kills Rika... Maybe Takano? Lol.
4: Someone else kills Satoko.


Both of them have sword fragments. They could end up killing each other in unison. Imagine that.

Honestly though that sword is an amazing tool.

1. Perfectly kills all demons, except Hanyuu who somehow surivived a magnitude of stabs with it, and had her guts ripped out.
2. Can allow travel between time and space.
3. Kills Loopers.
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I won't say, that the last third of this series isn't getting at least interesting, and better than the middle part of the season, which was redundant as an OG viewer, confusing for a newcomer, and didn't add anything to this new story, however, I have a lot of problems with this season.

First, it ruins the far better OG anime for newcomers, and only add new and interesting plot to OG viewers in about a third of the whole season.

Second, it completely makes the whole OG anime (which was superior in every way, except animation) trivial, and non-important if we go with this story as canon.

Third, it takes the focus from the far more interesting other club members, dumping their more meaningful and emotional story and character arcs out, and focuses on Satoko and Rika, when Satoko was already the far least likeable and the most irritating character even in the OG one.

Fourth, both Keichi's and Rena's character art is trash, Keichi looks and acts like a 13 years old boy, while Satoko's and Rika's art far more sexualizied, when they are only about 11-12 in the 1983 timeline.

I enjoyed about half/third of the series, but mostly because I get to see more of Higurashi, but the other half was redundant or trash, and I still dislike the better arc's focus and possible culmination. This series feels like trampling on the OG anime, while still more enjoyable, than an average or bad anime.

My only hope to the season, is that it won't end in reconciliation between Rika and Satoko, and Rika starts to hate her and defeat her, because I always hated Satoko, and her motivations and behavior aren't justified in the slightest in this season. She is the obsessive and abusive type who doesn't even understand what friendship means, never sees she is in the wrong, and doesn't even try to change or better herself, she would lock up her friend in a cellar, while saying she loves her. Fcking up Satoko and leaving her alone and bitter would be at least a small consolation from the series, but I doubt it will happen.

Edit: I don't even want to go there, that there are people who actually try to side with Satoko, and make out Rika as somebody who is at fault here. Friendship, and childish promises doesn't make you entitled to the future self of your friend, nor gives you the right to always be friends, when both of you are changing. Rika doesn't owe anything to Satoko, and Satoko doesn't have the right for her friendship if she doesn't want to work for it in a way, advantageous for both of them, especially when you have far too different lifepaths and wishes to be friends, and only were as a child due to circumstances and lack of better choice.
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ssjokg said:
MightyM17 said:


Incredible how you still think study is the issue. Satoko tried studying mate. She spent an entire year in that school doing nothing but that. But that isn't simply how it works, some people don't get to learn things well unless they're motivated and Satoko has 0 motivation in that school.

Rika herself isn't willing to come clean with Satoko and reveal to her that she choses the academy over her. She makes false/empty promises over it which is what screws Satoko over.

Satoko's clearly over herself here but considering how much she ended up looping, it's completely expected.

Saikoroshi shows the same for Rika. They both became extremely selfish beings.

Her studies, or lack of them, keep her away from Rika.

Also, no we don't know if she even tried studying from the first loop onwards. And if she has enough motivation to kill herself repeatedly then she better find some to study.
Honestly I don't care that she cant be bothered spend time studying but 100 years of 5D screening of Higurashi is logical option in her tiny stupid head.Her ass and tits took all the nutrients for the last 5 years.

Why is Rika lying? Couldn't it just be that she doesn't know how things will turn out? And if Satoko is the one staying away from her then it isn't her fault at all. Trying to guilt trip Rika and make her pick between her and a freaking school is way worse than Rika being oblivious of the future.

Saikoroshi shows what? A 100 year old loli that is suddenly isekaid to a world that isnt what she fought for, and everyone except her parents hate her for being a pampered kid?

Wow yes I can see the similarities.


Saikoroshi shows that Rika can be selfish and that in a world where EVERYONE but her was better off she still chose HER ideal future.

And yeah Satoko tried to study, it just didn't work out. She went to the Special Class and the only thing you do there is study. She was locked in a solitary cell for a while (and her best friend didn't even seaech for her btw) and only could study there.

Rika is lying in Satoko's eyes because she knows what Rika will do in the future. Every promise she makes ragarding their bond is empty.

You're awfully stubborn. Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall.
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fenrirr2 said:
I won't say, that the last third of this series isn't getting at least interesting, and better than the middle part of the season, which was redundant as an OG viewer, confusing for a newcomer, and didn't add anything to this new story, however, I have a lot of problems with this season.

First, it ruins the far better OG anime for newcomers, and only add new and interesting plot to OG viewers in about a third of the whole season.

Second, it completely makes the whole OG anime (which was superior in every way, except animation) trivial, and non-important if we go with this story as canon.

Third, it takes the focus from the far more interesting other club members, dumping their more meaningful and emotional story and character arcs out, and focuses on Satoko and Rika, when Satoko was already the far least likeable and the most irritating character even in the OG one.

Fourth, both Keichi's and Rena's character art is trash, Keichi looks and acts like a 13 years old boy, while Satoko's and Rika's art far more sexualizied, when they are only about 11-12 in the 1983 timeline.

I enjoyed about half/third of the series, but mostly because I get to see more of Higurashi, but the other half was redundant or trash, and I still dislike the better arc's focus and possible culmination. This series feels like trampling on the OG anime, while still more enjoyable, than an average or bad anime.

My only hope to the season, is that it won't end in reconciliation between Rika and Satoko, and Rika starts to hate her and defeat her, because I always hated Satoko, and her motivations and behavior aren't justified in the slightest in this season. She is the obsessive and abusive type who doesn't even understand what friendship means, never sees she is in the wrong, and doesn't even try to change or better herself, she would lock up her friend in a cellar, while saying she loves her. Fcking up Satoko and leaving her alone and bitter would be at least a small consolation from the series, but I doubt it will happen.


Bro. You do know K1 is like 13/14 years old in OG Higurashi (1983) right?
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The one that allows her to know her best friend Rika better over the one that will actively put her in an evironment she detests with all her being.




Rika offers her company. One time. And that's it.

She offers no other type of company for Satoko despite claiming and promising she would "never leave her side" and that "she would remain her best friend".

And even if Satoko accepted the offer, it was clear it wouldn't go well. Satoko isn't the type of person to like that sort of stuff, so she would piss off Rika and her new friends with her manners eventually.




I don't know if you read Saikoroshi. But Rika is not a good person either, she killed her mom in a world where everything was perfect and ok just to escape back to her own perfect world. Rika wanted BOTH the academy and Satoko, she did not want to choose one. She guilt trips Satoko into taking the test with her and offers her false promises just so she can get her ideal dream.

That's not to say Satoko is sane either. It's clear that looping and killing herself over and over took a toll on her mind. The over 100 years also screwed her further.




Yes she can. But that's not the issue. The issue is that Satoko feels betrayed by Rika and understandably so. Rika does not want to choose between Satoko and the academy and because she never gave Satoko a clear answer and instead guilt trips her into taking the test with her that makes Satoko believe that she has a chance to keep Rika with her in the village where they can both be happy.

It's not a situation created by only Satoko but a misture of Rika, Satoko and Not!Featherine.


jaw201 I can tell it's you, I recommend you change your style lol. Or post with your main account, so I can just skip your posts again.


I don't know who this guy is but it's not me. This was a poor attempt at an ad hominem btw
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I won't say, that the last third of this series isn't getting at least interesting, and better than the middle part of the season, which was redundant as an OG viewer, confusing for a newcomer, and didn't add anything to this new story, however, I have a lot of problems with this season.

First, it ruins the far better OG anime for newcomers, and only add new and interesting plot to OG viewers in about a third of the whole season.

Second, it completely makes the whole OG anime (which was superior in every way, except animation) trivial, and non-important if we go with this story as canon.

Third, it takes the focus from the far more interesting other club members, dumping their more meaningful and emotional story and character arcs out, and focuses on Satoko and Rika, when Satoko was already the far least likeable and the most irritating character even in the OG one.

Fourth, both Keichi's and Rena's character art is trash, Keichi looks and acts like a 13 years old boy, while Satoko's and Rika's art far more sexualizied, when they are only about 11-12 in the 1983 timeline.

I enjoyed about half/third of the series, but mostly because I get to see more of Higurashi, but the other half was redundant or trash, and I still dislike the better arc's focus and possible culmination. This series feels like trampling on the OG anime, while still more enjoyable, than an average or bad anime.

My only hope to the season, is that it won't end in reconciliation between Rika and Satoko, and Rika starts to hate her and defeat her, because I always hated Satoko, and her motivations and behavior aren't justified in the slightest in this season. She is the obsessive and abusive type who doesn't even understand what friendship means, never sees she is in the wrong, and doesn't even try to change or better herself, she would lock up her friend in a cellar, while saying she loves her. Fcking up Satoko and leaving her alone and bitter would be at least a small consolation from the series, but I doubt it will happen.


Bro. You do know K1 is like 13/14 years old in OG Higurashi (1983) right?


Same age as Mion.

In the original,
Keihchii acted like a idiot sometimes, but besides that he understood others very well and generally acted intelligently. Except when he's paranoid and delusional under HS.

Both Matsu and Mio occur partly because of Keichii. The second one more directly.

In Gou, he seems to lack foresight?

Besides Rika and Satoko, everybody else is out of character to some extent or missing some key traits that make them unique. Rika and Satoko can change, but Rena, Keichii, Mion and Shions personalities shouldnt.
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Her studies, or lack of them, keep her away from Rika.

Also, no we don't know if she even tried studying from the first loop onwards. And if she has enough motivation to kill herself repeatedly then she better find some to study.
Honestly I don't care that she cant be bothered spend time studying but 100 years of 5D screening of Higurashi is logical option in her tiny stupid head.Her ass and tits took all the nutrients for the last 5 years.

Why is Rika lying? Couldn't it just be that she doesn't know how things will turn out? And if Satoko is the one staying away from her then it isn't her fault at all. Trying to guilt trip Rika and make her pick between her and a freaking school is way worse than Rika being oblivious of the future.

Saikoroshi shows what? A 100 year old loli that is suddenly isekaid to a world that isnt what she fought for, and everyone except her parents hate her for being a pampered kid?

Wow yes I can see the similarities.


Saikoroshi shows that Rika can be selfish and that in a world where EVERYONE but her was better off she still chose HER ideal future.

And yeah Satoko tried to study, it just didn't work out. She went to the Special Class and the only thing you do there is study. She was locked in a solitary cell for a while (and her best friend didn't even seaech for her btw) and only could study there.

Rika is lying in Satoko's eyes because she knows what Rika will do in the future. Every promise she makes ragarding their bond is empty.

You're awfully stubborn. Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall.


Oh no Rika is selfish for desiring the world she fought for for 100 years.... You really want to compare that to a selfish brat that is mad her friend is, intentionally or not, putting some distance between them?

Satoko can actually study and learn shit. She did that to enroll. The problem is she doesn't want to put effort. Attending a special class does not mean shit if you still don't actually try harder. I have been to high school, I know what it is like to make a low effort.

And again, if she knows Rika is a liar then why would she try to keep her close to her? Oh right she is an abuse victim and needs toxic relationships to even semifunction like a proper member of society. I cant imagine what a girl with 100 years of torture has to say about that.

Yes I am stubborn. Thankfully not as much as Satoko is.
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You cant compare Rikas loops to Satoko's. Its stupid to do so.

Rika continued the loops because she wanted to... live. Her only choices were looping or dying. ( We dont know whether Saikoroshi Rika is our Rika for sure, there are many facts to the contrary, so that isnt an argument)

Satoko is looping to break Rika, its not like Satoko will die if she lets Rika be.

Satoko has the freedom that Rika never did.
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If 2. is true then Satoko should give up on her.

I mean, you can bring any point you want but it still wont justify anything, the first loops, the 100 year binge watching, or the conclusion she reached.

Rika does not care about that world and wants to return to her own. If Saiko's fragment was real then everyone would still have their happy lives, except Rika's family for the obvious reasons.

Satoko is ruining everyone that considered her a friend or tried to help her.

As for Satoko seeing this...dunno. I have been questioning Saikoroshi's existence in Gou's timeline for some episodes now. If this leads to yhe birth of both Bern and Lambdadelta then it didn't happen.

But still who cares? If Rika beating up an actual bully annoys her then she better look in the mirror.


If Gou nulls Saikoroshi then I'd personally choose Saikoroshi as my personal canon and Gou as some what if AU. IMO Saikoroshi-hen was an great epilogue to the original story.

The chair scene is really hyper focused on too much. I didn't really think Satoko would be annoyed at getting beat up with a chair, that's way too simple. I mean, there's a lot of ways she could react to the entirety of Rika's experiences in the "perfect" world.
-Be shocked that Rika didn't want to be in the world where everyone's sins never happened and their families were both alive and healthy.
-Be annoyed that Rika fought so hard to back to Hinamizawa then wants right back out of it.
-See Rika has failings too and stop putting her up on a pedestal as the one person needed in her life. (The same could be said for other events in other fragments too, meh.)
-Disagree with Rika's choices while identifying with them, which could have led to changing her own path - obviously didn't happen if she did see it but I thought of it as a possibility before.
-Completely agree with Rika's choice while identifying with them then become more set on her chosen path, feeling vindicated in her choices because Rika made similar ones. That would have been better than the random flashbacks we got in this episode imo. Also would have brought more meaning to the scene where she goes to see Satoshi -- Showing she's willing to give up her family like Rika did.

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Both of them have sword fragments. They could end up killing each other in unison. Imagine that.


I don't see Satoko going through all this just to try and kill Rika and for good, but who knows at this point really.
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I hate how this season is making me dislike Satoko but Featherine's presence was very interesting as per usual and I love how they used the iconic ost. Unfortunely the content wasn't as good as the ost and honestly, unless the ending is rushed or has a cliffhanger ending (like a question arc), I don't see gou ending in a very satisfying or conclusive way considering how we only have 2 episodes left.



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I want Takano-Lambdadelta appearing at the end to save the day from the imposter Satoko-wannabeLambda.

If the series cant be saved then at least let me have some fun.
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If 2. is true then Satoko should give up on her.

I mean, you can bring any point you want but it still wont justify anything, the first loops, the 100 year binge watching, or the conclusion she reached.

Rika does not care about that world and wants to return to her own. If Saiko's fragment was real then everyone would still have their happy lives, except Rika's family for the obvious reasons.

Satoko is ruining everyone that considered her a friend or tried to help her.

As for Satoko seeing this...dunno. I have been questioning Saikoroshi's existence in Gou's timeline for some episodes now. If this leads to yhe birth of both Bern and Lambdadelta then it didn't happen.

But still who cares? If Rika beating up an actual bully annoys her then she better look in the mirror.


If Gou nulls Saikoroshi then I'd personally choose Saikoroshi as my personal canon and Gou as some what if AU. IMO Saikoroshi-hen was an great epilogue to the original story.


I don't think that's even up for debate, Saiko (VN) is really great. Straight to the point, good pacing, great character work for both Rika and Hanyuu and a perfect ending for Rika's arc. It even clear ups some unanswered questions from the original (Hanyuu's backstory, will Rika keep looping in the future?, who is Frederica Bernkastel exactly)


Ties pretty well with Umineko too without turning the story into something Higurashi was not.

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Curious how Satoko is going to convince Takano to not do her plan (assuming that is what happens). I know she "knows the rules," but even after Rika learned them it was a miracle she actually won. How is Satoko going to defuse that situation each loop?
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ssjokg said:

Her studies, or lack of them, keep her away from Rika.

Also, no we don't know if she even tried studying from the first loop onwards. And if she has enough motivation to kill herself repeatedly then she better find some to study.
Honestly I don't care that she cant be bothered spend time studying but 100 years of 5D screening of Higurashi is logical option in her tiny stupid head.Her ass and tits took all the nutrients for the last 5 years.

Why is Rika lying? Couldn't it just be that she doesn't know how things will turn out? And if Satoko is the one staying away from her then it isn't her fault at all. Trying to guilt trip Rika and make her pick between her and a freaking school is way worse than Rika being oblivious of the future.

Saikoroshi shows what? A 100 year old loli that is suddenly isekaid to a world that isnt what she fought for, and everyone except her parents hate her for being a pampered kid?

Wow yes I can see the similarities.


Saikoroshi shows that Rika can be selfish and that in a world where EVERYONE but her was better off she still chose HER ideal future.

And yeah Satoko tried to study, it just didn't work out. She went to the Special Class and the only thing you do there is study. She was locked in a solitary cell for a while (and her best friend didn't even seaech for her btw) and only could study there.

Rika is lying in Satoko's eyes because she knows what Rika will do in the future. Every promise she makes ragarding their bond is empty.

You're awfully stubborn. Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall.


You are right, the promise she made is empty, because she is a 11 year old child who doesn't see the future and a promise doesn't mean anything. On the contrary, Satoko has seen the future, she could have made changes, she had the power to alter the outcome, learn more, try to act like a decent human being towards others, and not like a brat, and she could have accepted Rika's help, which she offered, and she was the one didn't take it.

Satoko is a selfish, unbearable brat, who acts with malice towards people, doesn't want to put any effort in, doesn't try to change, and doesn't try to integrate into society and mature. She just wants her play toy, and thinks she is entitled to an other human being, while don't put in enough effort. She doesn't care about her friend or anybody else, and gives a shit about Rika's dream which she earned.

Satoko is the kind of person who would torture her kid mentally, abuse them, and would try anything to hinder their relationship with others and keep anybody away from them, while she would talk about how she loves them the most. She is a typical abuser, who thinks a human being is her possession.

There isn't anything in any season of Higurashi which gives justification for her actions, and there are nothing there, which would save her twisted personality. You should be sick if you side with Satoko against Rika in such a clear cut situation. If Satoko had any human decency in her, she would have parted with Rika and accept, and understand that their relationship should be severed or at least loosened.
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what a fucking little shit i think this arc would've been really good if Satoko didn't have such weak ass motives besides being insane to cause all of this and ended up being even more un-sympathetic. after spending a 100 years going through Rka's suffering to "understand her" just to be like i gotta break her one more time right.

ost though the old loops was spooky tho
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so i saw someone comments in youtube of a youtuber live reaction about today episode about Satoko :

" But if you try to see from Satoko perspective,
-It's like we've been friends 100 years and this is how you treat me in the end?-
or
-Didn't you learn that you have to believe and help your friends when they are in need in all these loops?-
Therefore giving Satoko Rika's memory after all the suffering only makes the situation even worse. "

and i have to agree honestly. Because satoko is already so mad when she decide to watch rika's loops.

also, is it true? we have episode 25? so at least we have 3 more episodes?
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so i saw someone comments in youtube of a youtuber live reaction about today episode about Satoko :

" But if you try to see from Satoko perspective,
-It's like we've been friends 100 years and this is how you treat me in the end?-
or
-Didn't you learn that you have to believe and help your friends when they are in need in all these loops?-
Therefore giving Satoko Rika's memory after all the suffering only makes the situation even worse. "

and i have to agree honestly. Because satoko is already so mad when she decide to watch rika's loops.

also, is it true? we have episode 25? so at least we have 3 more episodes?


A Special Ep or a second season. Who knows.
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it finally answers why hanyuu sounded so weird in that episode, that bothered me so much


It wasnt the real Hanyuu. By her own admission she is sort of a trace left by the real Hanyuu, and soley exists in the sea of frsgments.

Depending ob what you believe (and what we know so far) the actual Hanyuu,
1. Became Featherine.
2. Featherine got rid of her.
3. Or she's away helping another Rika and doesnt know that Gou is going on / or is not allowed to affect it.

Normally after Rika does Hanyuu takes her to another world to begin another loop, however here there are two loopers. Since both Rika ans Satoko end up in the same world among the countless ones in the sea of fragments that suggests that Featherine is the one controlling the loops instead of Hanyuu.


The conversation at the end definitely implied featherine was controlling phantom hanyuu to give rika the ability to remember since satoko directly asked her to let rika remember everything and featherine said it was in her power. It would be even worse writing to have that in just to have phantom hanyuu herself give her that ability.
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Curious how Satoko is going to convince Takano to not do her plan (assuming that is what happens). I know she "knows the rules," but even after Rika learned them it was a miracle she actually won. How is Satoko going to defuse that situation each loop?


Considering that Takano feels regret either Satoko tells her what would go down in Matsu. Or featherine shows up near the Shrine (thats where she and Tomitake are headed) and gives her the memories of Matsuri.

Actually I think that Takano kills herself with L5 soon after the Hinamaizawa disaster happens even when she wins. Its interesting to think about.
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WTF, she John Wick’d herself and got isekai’d by truck-kun all in the same episode. 🤣
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It wasnt the real Hanyuu. By her own admission she is sort of a trace left by the real Hanyuu, and soley exists in the sea of frsgments.

Depending ob what you believe (and what we know so far) the actual Hanyuu,
1. Became Featherine.
2. Featherine got rid of her.
3. Or she's away helping another Rika and doesnt know that Gou is going on / or is not allowed to affect it.

Normally after Rika does Hanyuu takes her to another world to begin another loop, however here there are two loopers. Since both Rika ans Satoko end up in the same world among the countless ones in the sea of fragments that suggests that Featherine is the one controlling the loops instead of Hanyuu.


The conversation at the end definitely implied featherine was controlling phantom hanyuu to give rika the ability to remember since satoko directly asked her to let rika remember everything and featherine said it was in her power. It would be even worse writing to have that in just to have phantom hanyuu herself give her that ability.


Umm... no.

Featherine says that she could do it easily.
But then Satoko says that she make use if the fact that Rika will not remember it.

Form what we know so far, 'damaged horn' is who let Rika remember the events of her death.
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so i saw someone comments in youtube of a youtuber live reaction about today episode about Satoko :

" But if you try to see from Satoko perspective,
-It's like we've been friends 100 years and this is how you treat me in the end?-
or
-Didn't you learn that you have to believe and help your friends when they are in need in all these loops?-
Therefore giving Satoko Rika's memory after all the suffering only makes the situation even worse. "

and i have to agree honestly. Because satoko is already so mad when she decide to watch rika's loops.

also, is it true? we have episode 25? so at least we have 3 more episodes?
The mental gymnastics people have to go through to justify Satoko's actions.

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There is some interesting stuff.

1. Featherine says that Hanyuus horn is damaged and hers is not.

2. Rika and Satoko return to the same fragment if Satoko dies after Rika.
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I hated this episode and how they transform satoko into a selfish brat. As far as I can see, higurashi ended in Matsuribayashi-hen and nothing else
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There is some interesting stuff.

1. Featherine says that Hanyuus horn is damaged and hers is not.

2. Rika and Satoko return to the same fragment if Satoko dies after Rika.


1. Isnt featherine having a memory device? Im coming back to my theory of this featherine look alike being the manifestation of the Oyashiro sama legend.

If it is truly featherine its ironic coming from someone who almost ceased to exist after her memory device was damaged.

2. This means that Gou is full time loop. No fragment hopping. Satoko must be responsible for everything that hapoens here.
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what the fuck is happening now

rika may have been a bit shit for kinda leaving satoko in st. lucia but at least she's justifiable. Satoko is being really fucking selfish now. Even after going through rika's loops she still wants to keep her in Hinamizawa???

so many questions goddamn wtc universe
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at least our og rika from the first two seasons is living a life free of satoko.
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