| Relations between the neighbours are arguably at their lowest ebb since they normalised ties in 1965, strained over the issue of South Korean forced labour during Japan’s 1910-45 occupation. South Korea’s sports ministry said it sent a letter to the IOC on Wednesday to express its “disappointment” over Tokyo’s organising committee’s decision to allow the flag to be displayed at Olympic venues and call for action to thwart the move. The ministry said the flag defies the peaceful spirit of the Olympics as it was a symbol of Japan’s imperialist past that reminds Asian countries of “historical wounds and pains,” and it likened it to the swastika used in Nazi Germany. The International Olympic Committee on Wednesday confirmed it had received the letter. “As the IOC has said from the outset of this discussion, sports stadiums should be free of any political demonstration,” an IOC official said. “When concerns arise at Games time we look at them on a case by case basis.” There was no immediate reaction from Tokyo. But Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga has said that the flag is widely used in Japan and the country’s Olympic organisers did not consider hoisting the flag to be a political act. The South Korean ministry noted that football’s governing body FIFA has already banned the use of the flag. In 2017, the Asian Football Confederation imposed sanctions against Japan after Japanese spectators used the flag during the AFC Champions League. The flag has often been a source of contention with South Korea. Last year, Japan called off its plan to take part in an international fleet review in South Korea after Seoul asked Tokyo not to fly the flag on a warship. The spat was the latest in a series of their ongoing diplomatic and trade rows. Tensions over their history flared up after South Korea’s Supreme Court last year ordered two Japanese companies to compensate some wartime labourers, an issue which Japan says was settled under a 1965 treaty that normalised ties. The dispute has since spilled over into trade and security, with Japan slapping export curbs and South Korea scrapping an intelligence-sharing pact with Tokyo. Last month, Seoul summoned a senior Japanese embassy official to demand explanations on Tokyo’s plans for handling radioactive water from its destroyed Fukushima nuclear power plant. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-japan-olympics/south-korea-asks-ioc-to-ban-japans-use-of-rising-sun-flag-at-olympics-idUSKCN1VW1LG Sad to see these two democratic countries continue their quarrel. Guess this is what happen when Japan continue to deny their war time atrocity. Still,I don't think there's need to go as far as removing the flag since the flag has been use long time before WW 2 and not necessarily a representation of Imperial Japan. Japan need to stop denying their atrocity. South Korea need to move on from the past. Then these two democratic countries can work together and fight against north Korea and China aggression. Trump trade war alone is not enough against China. |
Papa_ScorchSep 14, 2019 12:57 AM
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| NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! HOW DARE JAPAN TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR MARTIAL HISTORY! IT'S LIKE ANUDDAH UNIT 731! Well, they do need to get those Olympics shekels so... Drunk shitposting aside, both countries should put the past beside them and respect each other's cultural values when visiting each other. The Rising Sun is an important part of Japan's martial history since the Edo period, nothing like the Swastika which was only a "Nazi" symbol for 12 years. And the swastika is also a more deeply rooted symbol than many people think, but that's for another topic In fact, the JMSDF (Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, their "navy") still uses the rising sun. It's more comparable to a Confederate battle flag, which itself is an important part of southern American culture, than a "swastika". |
Lost_VikingSep 13, 2019 8:48 PM
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Daily Reminder this is the JSDF flag Also can both South Korea and China stop being snowflakes about flags, get over it. Do I get triggered whenever I see the degenerate alphabet people flags? no. |
| Why are they using that old ass flag for the Olympics anyway? Can't they just use their regular national flag like the rest of the countries? |
| These folks just can't move on, heck the politicians in both can't even think straight, seriously there's no way in hell SK sold those chemicals to NK, it was obviously China. |
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QPR said: Japan already changed their flag from WWII when it had the red sun rays, is that not enough? I can't believe people get upset over this. it is not because Japan continues to refuse to make a proper apology over their war crimes. it is not because people from S Korea and China suffered immensely during the Japanese occupation, with Japanese military raping and killing women, including underage women, right and left it is not because they honor their war criminals and treat them as heroes it is not because they insist on revising history and their school curriculum neglects the war crimes commited by Japan. it is not because the flag was used as a symbol of radical nationalism during the Japanese occupation that left a deep scar in both China and S Korea. no. they just dont like the flag trolololol there is a reason the nazi symbol was banned in germany. think hard why that is. germany is not nearly as criticized despite their past war crimes. again, think hard why that is the case. |
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| I wonder with comments like "just move on" do people think WWII happened like five generations ago? These things affect younger relatives too, like it or not. I'm not saying one should mourn in the past, but you know these are pretty touchy topics to many people and maybe one should try to understand the other half's past and not be all prideful, or worse try to play the victim. I can understand why that flag can cause heavy negative connections and don't personally see a point flying it in sports events. Trade war is whole other issue, which I don't think is the smartest move. |
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-Stray said: Well.. ya'll know KnY right? China did some changes on it too.  Also AFAIK this is actually legit in the Chinese version. Did China demand such changes or did the anime studio itself decided to do it? Because at the end of the article,last sentence, it stated "With such a big market, it seems the anime’s creators wanted to bypass any possible controversy." Seems like an independent decision by anime creators. Sometimes, I wonder if Trump's trade war only appear destroying China's economy on the paper. Btw,Kimetsu no Yaiba is popular in China.  Most popular anime of 2019 in China according to Bilili provided that the google translate and my interpretation is correct since I can't read Chinese. |
Papa_ScorchSep 14, 2019 7:34 PM
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QPR said: DreamingBeats said: it is not because Japan continues to refuse to make a proper apology over their war crimes. it is not because people from S Korea and China suffered immensely during the Japanese occupation, with Japanese military raping and killing women, including underage women, right and left it is not because they honor their war criminals and treat them as heroes it is not because they insist on revising history and their school curriculum neglects the war crimes commited by Japan. it is not because the flag was used as a symbol of radical nationalism during the Japanese occupation that left a deep scar in both China and S Korea. no. they just dont like the flag trolololol there is a reason the nazi symbol was banned in germany. think hard why that is. germany is not nearly as criticized despite their past war crimes. again, think hard why that is the case. Germany is not as criticised? Not here. They got 10 times as much stick as the Japs. Yeah Japan did some bad things but that has nothing to do with todays flag, I could understand if they bought back the old one they they are acting pretty pathetic. They never apologised? Bollocks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan I'm glad somebody posted that article cause I was about to if nobody else did. The idea that Japan "never apologized" or continue to deny WW2 war crimes is a total myth. Right now the South Korean and Chinese governments are looking like a bunch of Asian SJWs getting all pissy over a flag. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Holy shit do you even read the article?The problem here is government heads pretend to apologize and do something like this QPR said: Germany is not as criticised? Not here. They got 10 times as much stick as the Japs. Yeah Japan did some bad things but that has nothing to do with todays flag, I could understand if they bought back the old one they they are acting pretty pathetic. They never apologised? Bollocks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan I'm glad somebody posted that article cause I was about to if nobody else did. The idea that Japan "never apologized" or continue to deny WW2 war crimes is a total myth. Right now the South Korean and Chinese governments are looking like a bunch of Asian SJWs getting all pissy over a flag. >In October 2006, Prime Minister Shinzō Abe's apology was followed on the same day by a group of 80 Japanese lawmakers' visit to the Yasukuni Shrine which enshrines more than 1,000 convicted war criminals.[57] Two years after the apology, Shinzo Abe also denied that the Imperial Japanese military had forced comfort women into sexual slavery during World War II . |
mountainheartSep 19, 2019 8:14 PM
MusicBee said: Ryuk9428 said: Holy shit do you even read the article?The problem here is government heads pretend to apologize and do something like this I'm glad somebody posted that article cause I was about to if nobody else did. The idea that Japan "never apologized" or continue to deny WW2 war crimes is a total myth. Right now the South Korean and Chinese governments are looking like a bunch of Asian SJWs getting all pissy over a flag. >In October 2006, Prime Minister Shinzō Abe's apology was followed on the same day by a group of 80 Japanese lawmakers' visit to the Yasukuni Shrine which enshrines more than 1,000 convicted war criminals.[57] Two years after the apology, Shinzo Abe also denied that the Imperial Japanese military had forced comfort women into sexual slavery during World War II . So Shinzo Abe's one denial cancels out 100 other apologies from numerous other officials? |
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Ryuk9428 said: Why are you such a blockhead regarding this type of topic?I never said it those apologies cancelled anything. Also it isn't 1 denial that you are putting it lightly and blaming east Asians victims and labeling them 'asian sjw'[gotta say nice victim shaming here] because they are shocked by symbol of a dark past,its a continuous denial and down play of tragedy that is pushed in Japanese media,academics and history books that is problematic despite numerous government heads pretending to be apologetic.MusicBee said: Holy shit do you even read the article?The problem here is government heads pretend to apologize and do something like this >In October 2006, Prime Minister Shinzō Abe's apology was followed on the same day by a group of 80 Japanese lawmakers' visit to the Yasukuni Shrine which enshrines more than 1,000 convicted war criminals.[57] Two years after the apology, Shinzo Abe also denied that the Imperial Japanese military had forced comfort women into sexual slavery during World War II . So Shinzo Abe's one denial cancels out 100 other apologies from numerous other officials? |
mountainheartSep 19, 2019 9:16 PM
MusicBee said: Ryuk9428 said: Why are you such a blockhead regarding this type of topic?I never said it those apologies cancelled anything. Also it isn't 1 denial that you are putting it lightly and blaming east Asians victims and labeling them 'asian sjw'[gotta say nice victim shaming here] because they are shocked by symbol of a dark past,its a continuous denial and down play of tragedy that is pushed in Japanese media,academics and history books that is problematic despite numerous government heads pretending to be apologetic.So Shinzo Abe's one denial cancels out 100 other apologies from numerous other officials? None of them are victims anymore and the people who were victims have been personally apologized to and given money on numerous different occasions. Many of them still ask for more no matter what the Japanese government does. It is clear to me based on reading the numerous articles about this that nothing will satisfy them until they see Japan perpetually self-flagellating over this. Objecting to a fucking flag that has been around since 1870 and trying to equate it with "hate" and "a symbol of our dark past" sounds exactly like something perpetually offended SJWs who can't get over the past would say. It just so happens these SJWs are in Korea instead of the West. |
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Unrelated to Olympics but I wonder if Korean will also complains about Sogitta Gunha from Toaru series as well once Railgun 3 started airing? Since Gunha have the "Rising Sun" symbol in his clothes so I guess it may will be removed in the anime:  |
| Not gonna happen! Although...tbf, I DO agree that flag is offensive to Koreans and Chinese...and I’d be more in Japan’s side if they simply fucking APOLOGIZE for all the horrific shit they did!! Seriously Japan...when?? |
Lost_Viking said: That fact usually falls on deaf ears.And the swastika is also a more deeply rooted symbol than many people think, but that's for another topic |
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heg said: give it few more years like a decade or two when all old veterans die and the young koreans and chinese does not care about this stuff anymore (time heals old/all wounds they say) You probably have to add a few generations. As long as someone can try to get money out of "past injustice" they will try and be offended by everything to build up more tension. Even now there are still people trying to get reparations because their ancestors were slaves... |
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