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May 18, 2019 1:32 AM
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Currently I am watching Plawress Sanshirou, a shonen anime from 1983 that was aired on my region in the early 90s. It was very popular among boys, though dub was bad and hilarious. The irony is it aired shortly before the Pokemon craze when the franchise was still unknown. I see that it was also directed by the director of Pokemon too! It was based on a 14 volume manga.

I think that series was way ahead of its time. It precipitated Pokemon, Yugioh, Digimon and most similar battle shonens and added a unique concept:
It combined mecha and wrestling. Competitors would remote control highly advanced nano-mecha figures via computer and computer keyboard in a wrestling ring. Sometimes ring would expand to other miniature settings like mountains, lakes, desert etc

Battles were well animated and each robot felt unique. Robot AI would evolve with each match. While the computer hardware and software also played a part, eg the more advanced it was, the better chances there were for the robot to win, in the end it mostly depended on the user's skills, smartness and adapting ability. Also maintainance was highly important before, after and during each match. Sometimes there were hardware, AI and software conflicts that influenced the battle.

Users were also divided into hobbyists and fighting oriented and sometimes conflicts would ensue.

That idea would be used later on in other shonen. I remembered Plawress few years later when I watched Angelic Layer, that seems to have borrowed if not straight copied many elements of that series.

Another series was the mecha Lazerion. I never watched all the episodes but it had to do with mecha battles in virtual reality where the user would connect via computer in a virtualized world. This was in the mid-80s.

Which series old or new do you think were ahead of their time?
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May 18, 2019 1:38 AM
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Serial Experiments Lain is one a lot of people talk about when discussing this topic
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Serial Experiments: Lain
Evangelion
Bebop
GitS
Dream Hunter: Rem
Akira
Revolutionary Girl: Utena
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Project Arms
Full metal panic
Ghost In The Shell
Gundam

And many others, which I don't recall right now, sorry.
May 18, 2019 4:26 AM
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I would add Summer Wars (and by extension that Digimon movie) to the list for predicting the privacy issues with social media.
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Neon Genesis Evangelion and Serial Experiments Lain. We'll discuss about Psycho Pass in 22nd century

Edit - I forgot to mention Blame! the manga, not the awful adaptation of netflix
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Gythia said:
Serial Experiments Lain is one a lot of people talk about when discussing this topic


I know. I think Key the Metal Idol (1994) was also influential and relatively underrated compared to Lain, GITS and Evangelion, sharing some common concepts
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Serial Experiments Lain easy af lol
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Serial Experiments: Lain
Evangelion
Ghost In The Shell
Ergo Proxy

All share a common theme of darkness/lonely paths and heavily experimental themes

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Serial Experiments Lain easy af lol


Could agree with Sel I didn't completely get it but yeah
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I'm not seeing how NGE was a head of it's time.

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Serial Experiments Lain is one a lot of people talk about when discussing this topic


I know. I think Key the Metal Idol (1994) was also influential and relatively underrated compared to Lain, GITS and Evangelion, sharing some common concepts
There's also the Ariel ovas, which if I'm not mistaken some of the animatiors that worked on them went on to work on Evangelion.
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Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

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golden pencil

everyone complained that it was a bad knockoff, but thats all that comes out these days so it would be well loved today
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Azumanga Daioh

Can't believe it's from 2002. You can argue it's the first anime of its kind but these type of anime only started becoming a trend years later when KyoAni was at its peak.
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Ashita no Joe, thanks to Dezaki, but also because it's storytelling was way more ambitious compared to many other title of that time.

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I recently watched Redline and the animation was so far ahead of its time that it's the most impressive I've seen from any anime, even though it's 10 years old.
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Urusei Yatsura, now every comedy slice of life harem is copying it, in those days robots and violence were the norm.
Maybe Touch
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RedPlaty said:
golden pencil

everyone complained that it was a bad knockoff, but thats all that comes out these days so it would be well loved today


Had never heard of it but unfortunately I see there are no subs

Optigisa said:
Serial Experiments Lain easy af lol


With such an avatar I would not expect any other answer!

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Urusei Yatsura, now every comedy slice of life harem is copying it, in those days robots and violence were the norm.
Maybe Touch



I know also that Beautiful Dreamer was quite unique for its time, probably the first work to unwrap M.Oshii's directing for the absurd. Some viewers did not like that approach to UY but that movie worked as a precursor to later Oshii acclaimed movies

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Azumanga Daioh

Can't believe it's from 2002. You can argue it's the first anime of its kind but these type of anime only started becoming a trend years later when KyoAni was at its peak.


That too. Also because it was the first of its kind it had an innocence and pureness that would be harder to find in subsequent efforts.

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Ashita no Joe, thanks to Dezaki, but also because it's storytelling was way more ambitious compared to many other title of that time.


I agree. There was also the shoujo equivalent a little earlier, Attack No 1. It was dubbed but 2-3 episodes were never released and some scenes seem to be edited for strong drama. Waiting for the fansub to finish to compare the versions.

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I recently watched Redline and the animation was so far ahead of its time that it's the most impressive I've seen from any anime, even though it's 10 years old.


Redline too. I made the thread not to focus just on animation but trends and innovations in plot and narrative mostly, though animation also matters in this case.

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I'm not seeing how NGE was a head of it's time.

There's also the Ariel ovas, which if I'm not mistaken some of the animatiors that worked on them went on to work on Evangelion.


I consider Evangelion manga superior to the anime and as far as mecha goes I consider Ideon more influential than Evangelion. Even H.Anno himself admires Ideon.

Had only known the title of the Ariel OVA without any other info. Will see them in the near future after reading this.
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Maybe Kuuchuu Buranko. In the past, mental health aren't a topic that was really kind of relevant. But now, it's talked a lot more, so if Kuuchuu Buranko aired right now it would be one of the anime that people will talk about a lot.
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@petran79 Beautiful Dreamer wasn't that bad but it wasn't Urusei Yatsura, why not make a different movie with other characters? that was his mistake. At least he got fired after the movie, prior to it there are some ridiculous episodes that aren't even funny. But, let's give Oshii some credit, they were true ahead of its time for its introspection and character analysis.
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@petran79 Lain is love, Lain is life :)
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I guess the adaptations of Go Nagai's manga even though their anime counterpart were much tamer than the Manga.
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@petran79 Lain is love, Lain is life :)


Wanted to try also the Playstation 1 game since they released an unofficial translation in pdf, but that interface and gameplay are difficult to get used to

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I meant via emulation of course!
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petran79 said:
Optigisa said:
@petran79 Lain is love, Lain is life :)


Wanted to try also the Playstation 1 game since they released an unofficial translation in pdf, but that interface and gameplay are difficult to get used to


Lol the SE Lain game sells for a fortune since they are so rare, that is what I have heard at least from other fans of the series.

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Sabu and Ichi (1968)

Space Pirate Captain Harlock (1978)

Birth (1984)

Blue Sub No.6 (1998)

Diebuster (2004)

Also Jin-Roh, Akira, NGE, GitS, GitS:SAC, Lain, FLCL
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petran79 said:
Optigisa said:
@petran79 Lain is love, Lain is life :)


Wanted to try also the Playstation 1 game since they released an unofficial translation in pdf, but that interface and gameplay are difficult to get used to

@Optigisa
I meant via emulation of course!


Ah okay, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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so science fiction of the past become science fact today kinda thing?

just any giant robot anime on my mind right now and in 2017 it become reality

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Gunbuster, Dragon Ball/Z, Saint Seiya, Evangelion

Those are the few I can think of.
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Escaflowne and Now and Then Here and There did isekai long before it became popular.

...And they did it 1000x better.

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Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people.
Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation.
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Escaflowne and Now and Then Here and There did isekai long before it became popular.

...And they did it 1000x better.


True, but also don't forget about Magic Knight Rayearth, which came before Escaflowne 2 years earlier.... and are very similar.
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Mainly the popular series that did well back then.
Cowboy Bebop & Evangelion
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When it comes to visuals, definitely Karas.



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FMmatron said:
Ashita no Joe, thanks to Dezaki, but also because it's storytelling was way more ambitious compared to many other title of that time.

This,other Dezaki anime are also way ahead of there time,you have Remi for exemple.
I might add Takahata's first movie for Toe and Hedi.
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Dagger said:
FMmatron said:
Ashita no Joe, thanks to Dezaki, but also because it's storytelling was way more ambitious compared to many other title of that time.

This,other Dezaki anime are also way ahead of there time,you have Remi for exemple.
I might add Takahata's first movie for Toe and Hedi.


In one episode Remi makes a joke reference to 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother.
Remi was also literally ahead of its time. Instead of using 19th century french maps, they added road maps of 1970s with airports!
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Miku thighs... I really recommend that show, it's a life changing experience that can't be compared to anything that the human race has created until now.
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One outs! It wasn’t really ahead of its time, but more people need to watch it! Watch One outs its really good!(I know this is another shameful advertisement, but more people must watch it...)
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Arkab said:
Zelkiiro said:
Escaflowne and Now and Then Here and There did isekai long before it became popular.

...And they did it 1000x better.


True, but also don't forget about Magic Knight Rayearth, which came before Escaflowne 2 years earlier.... and are very similar.

I haven't seen Rayearth, so I can't vouch for it. :V

This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi!

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"Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news.
Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people.
Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation.
There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime.
You should be watching Carole & Tuesday."
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I guess the adaptations of Go Nagai's manga even though their anime counterpart were much tamer than the Manga.


While Cutie Honey is considered important, I'd like someone to fansub completely or licence Majokko Megu-chan. It was dubbed in Europe in the 80s at least though episodes were skipped or edited due to the content.
Watched Hugtto Precure and there was a reference to that series via a costume.

From wiki:
Megu-Chan was not the first magical girl anime, but it has been described as the first modern anime series to fall into the genre. Initially overlooked as a minor effort due its relative obscurity following its airing in the seventies, it nonetheless formed a template on which many later scenarios were based. Significantly, many of the show's plot devices were recycled in the enormously successful Sailor Moon (Toei, 1992–1997) - indeed, two later episodes of Megu-chan were directed by Yuji Endo, who later became one of the chief episode directors on Sailor Moon - and echoes of Meg's tempestuous rivalries can be perceived in seinen parodies such as the Project A-Ko franchise. The "fan service" angle would turn up again in countless other future series, such as Gainax's Neon Genesis Evangelion.

The program's impact on Japanese popular culture should not be underestimated; thematic descendants include the entire magical girl genre, along with some degree of bishōjo, lolicon and hentai material. Megu's effect on Japan's burgeoning manga industry has yet to be documented, but considering the vast number of shōjo titles currently available, it is safe to assume that Majokko Megu-Chan's animated adventures must have inspired at least a few of them.
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Taiyou no Ouji: Horus no Daibouken (1968). At a time when most anime were just "kids stuff" with childish stories, Horus was one of the first anime to tackle serious, especially psychological themes, in a subtle believable way, and even show violence and gore (although it was stylized to not look bloody). It was also one of the first anime to use dream like sequences to show the inner turmoil of characters through symbolism and set pieces, something that you see in pretty much every anime now.
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trigun proxy.
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Cabron said:
I'm not seeing how NGE was a head of it's time.


I didn't used to, either, but looking back on it, I realized it changed everything. There's a very good video about this subject.

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petran79 said:
Johnnyd3rp said:
I guess the adaptations of Go Nagai's manga even though their anime counterpart were much tamer than the Manga.


While Cutie Honey is considered important, I'd like someone to fansub completely or licence Majokko Megu-chan. It was dubbed in Europe in the 80s at least though episodes were skipped or edited due to the content.
Watched Hugtto Precure and there was a reference to that series via a costume.

From wiki:
Megu-Chan was not the first magical girl anime, but it has been described as the first modern anime series to fall into the genre. Initially overlooked as a minor effort due its relative obscurity following its airing in the seventies, it nonetheless formed a template on which many later scenarios were based. Significantly, many of the show's plot devices were recycled in the enormously successful Sailor Moon (Toei, 1992–1997) - indeed, two later episodes of Megu-chan were directed by Yuji Endo, who later became one of the chief episode directors on Sailor Moon - and echoes of Meg's tempestuous rivalries can be perceived in seinen parodies such as the Project A-Ko franchise. The "fan service" angle would turn up again in countless other future series, such as Gainax's Neon Genesis Evangelion.

The program's impact on Japanese popular culture should not be underestimated; thematic descendants include the entire magical girl genre, along with some degree of bishōjo, lolicon and hentai material. Megu's effect on Japan's burgeoning manga industry has yet to be documented, but considering the vast number of shōjo titles currently available, it is safe to assume that Majokko Megu-Chan's animated adventures must have inspired at least a few of them.
Aye, been waiting in hope since 2011/2012. Best bet would probably be if Discotek licensed it.
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I'm not seeing how NGE was a head of it's time.


I didn't used to, either, but looking back on it, I realized it changed everything. There's a very good video about this subject.



Interesting video. Since he mentions Gundam, it is a pity that Victory Gundam is ranked as low. It debuted in 1993,is considered the darkest Gundam series and featured back then the youngest pilot of all, 13 year old Uso Ewin.
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Vorpality said:
Cabron said:
I'm not seeing how NGE was a head of it's time.


I didn't used to, either, but looking back on it, I realized it changed everything. There's a very good video about this subject.

But it didn't change everything though, to think that is to ignore what come before it or what lead up to it.

Yeah, I've seen that video before.
As usual digibrony get's it wrong, starting with the description lol "Before Evangelion, late-night TV anime wasn't a thing, and neither were half of the genres in styles that we take for granted today. Here I take a look at what kind of shows started hitting the airwaves in the years following Evangelion's Second Impact on TV anime."

Late night anime wasn't a thing? Except it was a thing, just as not as big as it is now.
What genres did it insert in styles that weren't already present long before Eva came along?

That's not even getting into the video, brings back bad memories lol.

These guys always look at it from a Western perspective but never take Japan into consideration, it's context on what it was going through at the time.

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Cabron said:
Vorpality said:


I didn't used to, either, but looking back on it, I realized it changed everything. There's a very good video about this subject.

But it didn't change everything though, to think that is to ignore what come before it or what lead up to it.

Yeah, I've seen that video before.
As usual digibrony get's it wrong, starting with the description lol "Before Evangelion, late-night TV anime wasn't a thing, and neither were half of the genres in styles that we take for granted today. Here I take a look at what kind of shows started hitting the airwaves in the years following Evangelion's Second Impact on TV anime."

Late night anime wasn't a thing? Except it was a thing, just as not as big as it is now.
What genres did it insert in styles that weren't already present long before Eva came along?

That's not even getting into the video, brings back bad memories lol.

These guys always look at it from a Western perspective but never take Japan into consideration, it's context on what it was going through at the time.

@DateYutaka
Do you want to chime in? Since you obviously know more.


anime i was always in the three mian time slot in inciding late prime time ie 20.59 - 22-59 but the 2nd part of eva was shown at show at 01;00 cause of the moral majoty bunch

eva was histroric and imprttant but not fir reason most people think and your right digi does not know any thing

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Well, Jinrui was literally ahead of its time since the episodes were aired in reverse chronological order.
I probably regret this post by now.
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Serial Experiments Lain is one a lot of people talk about when discussing this topic

Why is that? Is there something special about it?
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Serial Experiments Lain even though the show suck and boring.
It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.
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Serial Experiments Lain is one a lot of people talk about when discussing this topic

Why is that? Is there something special about it?


People will say because of how it predicted the technology we use today: smartphones, social networks, hacker groups and the associated problems like having multiple personalities - on the internet you behave differently than you do irl, etc. The show discusses all those themes before internet was cool.
I don't think it was really ahead of its time, I just appreciate the effort the staff put into research of technology. This is just how Chiaki Konaka makes anime.
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Well, Jinrui was literally ahead of its time since the episodes were aired in reverse chronological order.


Toka Gettan did it few years earlier too and at 26 episodes
Though when it comes to irregular continuity, Boogiepop Phantom must have been the first, followed by Haruhi

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Why is that? Is there something special about it?


People will say because of how it predicted the technology we use today: smartphones, social networks, hacker groups and the associated problems like having multiple personalities - on the internet you behave differently than you do irl, etc. The show discusses all those themes before internet was cool.
I don't think it was really ahead of its time, I just appreciate the effort the staff put into research of technology. This is just how Chiaki Konaka makes anime.


Those topics were explored in GITS movie and manga as well previously, but Lain brought it in TV series format, adding more details and in a more accessible modern urban setting. Also I remember at that time anime were trying to get out of the mold of kids and teens entertainment and those series were perfect for it.


Mentioning Evangelion, GITS and Lain, prior to Rei Ayanami there was an another neglected character in an OVA:

Tokiko "Key" Mima from Key the Metal Idol. Another character, Sakura Kuriyagawa has a striking similarity to Misato, both in design and character.

That OVA series is neglected compared to the others, probably because unlike the above series it uses the scifi and supernatural elements and the unconventional narrative to expose the idol and music industry instead. Yet it delivers some unique and high quality moments. Series producer did not participate in many anime projects.



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