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May 7, 2019 11:03 PM
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I have always been a fan of many types of media but more recently I have been getting into anime! I personally prefer anime over more conventional episodic content because I feel like it has more heart. When someone takes the time to animate something you can feel the love being put into it over someone acting. Do not get me wrong I love a good sitcom or drama but when I watch anime I go to a different zone I feel more invested in characters over other medias. I figured I would ask you all what you thought as I am curious of other peoples motivations. ( Sorry for the long post have a lovely day/evening) ^.^
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May 7, 2019 11:04 PM
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Cause 2D>3D at portraying emotions through media.
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May 7, 2019 11:08 PM
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For me, basically what @Hades_Gil said. Tbh, a decade ago, I would've 100% thought the opposite.
May 7, 2019 11:17 PM
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For me I just feel anime is a better medium to be more creative. Being fully animated and from a different culture helps a lot.
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May 7, 2019 11:17 PM
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Because it is better. The voice acting is better. And it has action sequences that are not possible anywhere else.
Also the hentai has plot. (Sometimes)
And at the end, ecchi exists.
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May 7, 2019 11:26 PM
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I prefer anime cause it has many relatable characters, something that live action does not have. In 24 years i haven't been able to relate to a single character in a live action movie or TV show.
Also animation is better at expression, it has got amazing music and soundtracks, engaging stories, and of course great animation and unique art styles.

And not to forget the lolis, traps, and waifus.
May 7, 2019 11:35 PM
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I grew up on anime and I never really grew out of it I guess. It's just more colorful and appealing to me.



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May 7, 2019 11:35 PM
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the emotions as mentioned above, the unique character designs and the variety of storytelling due to the unlimited possibilities of creative expression within the medium
Well and for me it's much easier to accept the setting of an anime and therefore to be fully invested and caught up in everything that takes place. While even some mediocre or decent Animes accomplish that, only some special ('real") TV series or films have done it before.


May 7, 2019 11:43 PM
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I like the aesthetic, because not everyday you'd see an ensemble of cast with big tiddies and exceptionally thicc, and you got a lot more shows to choose from whichever appeals to you.

Japan keeps rolling with more animated series and it's insane.
May 7, 2019 11:50 PM

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Because there are some things in anime that just can't be done in live action, such as:
May 7, 2019 11:57 PM

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Anime is a more free medium and Japanese are fucking creative
May 8, 2019 12:00 AM

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Its way more exciting and appealing to me than live action. I grew up with Cartoons and anime. They just have a special place in my heart. I cant tell the exact reason but i always prefer 2D over 3D
May 8, 2019 12:12 AM
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I watch anime more cause it's twenty minutes only but I also do watch loads of hollywood movies and korean dramas
May 8, 2019 12:30 AM

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Animation is just a superior storytelling medium. The potential of live-action is just continually strangled by the need to keep looking like real things. If you just want to used a basic visual effect like changing the size of someone's irises for a shot, for instance, firstly, it's an immediate large complication, and secondly, it causes uncanny valley problems. There are just all sorts of things which you don't have control over, and all sorts of irrelevant details which you're forced to exclude. It's similar to how art galleries are still more likely to be full of paintings than photographs. Being able to depict whatever you want truly unlocks the potential of moving pictures.

And once you've picked animation, well, who else other than the Japanese do it well?
May 8, 2019 12:35 AM

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Bunsuke said:
Hades_Gil said:
Cause 2D>3D at portraying emotions through media.

pretty sure this has been proven to be a sign of autism


Neurotypicals just invest so much of their life into reading the faces and body language of the real people around them that they can't get out of the habit when they watch TV, and get disoriented when it's not present. Being neurotypical may make day to day life easier, but it does restrict the potential of the mind somewhat.
May 8, 2019 12:48 AM
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I like both anime, TV shows, and movies but I prefer anime. (But it also depends on what specific show or movie is being compared.)

Anyway, for some reason, I always find myself getting attached to anime characters more than characters in TV shows or movies. Anime just portrays emotions and actions in a way that I love. This is especially why I love psychological anime or even anime that just contains some psychological elements.

There are rare occasions where I managed to actually like some TV shows characters more than anime characters. For example, I'm not really attached to Satomi Murano from Parasyte. She's nice and all but she's boring. I only like her a bit simply because Shinichi had a crush on her. (Also, I like Shinichi and I know how he'd feel not being able to be with Murano.) Overall though, I prefer someone like Laurie Strode from Halloween who I can root for and sympathize with.
May 8, 2019 12:52 AM
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I wouldn't say I prefer it to live action stuff, graphic novels or books. I think all can be good,mediocre or bad. And all the different mediums have advantages. Books, for example, are not limited by budget constraints or time in what they can portray. Lovecraftian horror works best in written detail because you will never make something as horrifying looking in a visual medium as what people imagine from reading the descriptions.

Live action can give you stronger performances and, when done properly, visuals that really pop in a way that animation can't. John Carpenter's The Thing is a great example. It wouldn't have the same impact were it animated.

At the same time, the current trend a company like Disney has of taking their old animated work and making it live action with CG effects is a mistake because they will never make live actions that have the charm of the original animated versions.
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Much more can be done with animation (not anime, animation in general) than in live action, for obvious reasons. I generally don't watch much tv at all but a few movies here and there are fine. Still, considering that the west treats animation mostly as kids' stuff (with a few exceptions to the norm like bojack horseman and rick&morty) and even when it doesn't, the shows aren't particularly inventive and don't take advantage of the medium that much, anime are a pretty obvious choice.
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May 8, 2019 3:20 AM

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I don't think anime is better than movies or TV shows per se and in ANY case. Stop generalize.

However, in prefer animation in general because I like better how this medium approaches to storytelling. If you exploit animation as a medium correctly, you can present visual metaphors and symbolism impossible to express in the movie form (for example: 3-gatsu no lion S2)
May 8, 2019 3:23 AM

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Habituation. I don't think I have an actual big reason why but I've got used to the pacing of anime. In the case of TV series at least.

On movies, I watch a lot of live action so that doesn't apply in my case.
May 8, 2019 3:55 AM
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I like Anime because of art before I started watching anime I used to read comic books and dc's animated movies I always prefered animations and drawings over humans acting.
May 8, 2019 4:03 AM
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I love both live action and anime equally but when it comes to comedy i prefer western animated series coz comedy in anime is usually hit or miss(execpt Gintama) but in western series they can pull punches with a straight face without getting overthetop
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logopolis said:
Bunsuke said:

pretty sure this has been proven to be a sign of autism


Neurotypicals just invest so much of their life into reading the faces and body language of the real people around them that they can't get out of the habit when they watch TV, and get disoriented when it's not present. Being neurotypical may make day to day life easier, but it does restrict the potential of the mind somewhat.
haha this is the most intellect reply I've read well good job coz these guys are still embarrassed on themselves bcoz they watch anime that's why they hate anyone who opens up about liking anime
May 8, 2019 4:30 AM

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KingShoter007 said:
Simple: It’s a purely creative medium that isn’t forced to confirm to any political ideas.
Look at American media: Literally everything has some sort of politics in it (mostly liberal). Meanwhile, my moe slice of life shows only have cute 2D girls. It’s clear which is supperior.


Very few dramas are actually forced to consciously examine politics, they just do so because well handled politics makes things better. Unfortunately, the chance of a big American drama made by people for big capitalist budgets in the fortress of global capitalism having politics which are actually good is approximately zero. But while I certainly enjoy my cute girl anime, (particularly from KyoAni,) the very best of the medium is stuff like Evangelion and Utena which is intensely political.
May 8, 2019 4:35 AM

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I would prefer anime over any other media, any time of my life. Most of the medias are infested by SJWs and normies, while anime is a creative medium with openness to most of the topics, even the ones which are forbidden.

Also, aesthetics in anime is better.


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May 8, 2019 4:41 AM

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Because anime (and especially manga) is far richer in genre and themes.. There are basically animes about anything ...
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May 8, 2019 4:42 AM

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I like all of it tbh. Good and bad stuff everywhere, but I only watch/read what I enjoy and think is good. The only objective truth is books>your mom
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logopolis said:
KingShoter007 said:
Simple: It’s a purely creative medium that isn’t forced to confirm to any political ideas.
Look at American media: Literally everything has some sort of politics in it (mostly liberal). Meanwhile, my moe slice of life shows only have cute 2D girls. It’s clear which is supperior.


Very few dramas are actually forced to consciously examine politics, they just do so because well handled politics makes things better. Unfortunately, the chance of a big American drama made by people for big capitalist budgets in the fortress of global capitalism having politics which are actually good is approximately zero. But while I certainly enjoy my cute girl anime, (particularly from KyoAni,) the very best of the medium is stuff like Evangelion and Utena which is intensely political.

Probably not so hot take: Manabi Straight is far more political than Evangelion.

That aside, I think there's an appeal in, say, politically open shows that raise questions directly, but there's also something to be enjoyed about how shows assume and apply values. In that sense something like, I dunno, Ghost in the Shell has a more immediate and direct confrontation appeal, but the more one watches the more one gets from understanding how political values work even in shows that apply them indirectly or in their background.
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I guess that suspension of disbelief animation provides helps a lot, since I'm able to enjoy more something that would seem surreal/uncanny if it were live action. As for me, personally, I find comedy in animation way funnier than in other media.
May 8, 2019 5:11 AM

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Yeah, I feel like a lot folks haven't touched a book or comic but circlejerk anime.

KingShoter007 said:
Simple: It’s a purely creative medium that isn’t forced to confirm to any political ideas.
Look at American media: Literally everything has some sort of politics in it (mostly liberal). Meanwhile, my moe slice of life shows only have cute 2D girls. It’s clear which is supperior.
Lmao no, you have no idea about what you're talking about.
Do your homework next time.

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I would prefer anime over any other media, any time of my life. Most of the medias are infested by SJWs and normies, while anime is a creative medium with openness to most of the topics, even the ones which are forbidden.

Also, aesthetics in anime is better.
>most
Maybe stop stop watching the news or get off the internet for a bit, maybe then you'll realize that it isn't most it's barely there.
What's that saying again? "Vocal minority is the loudest".
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Please learn about cel animation and its technical process.
Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

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Probably not so hot take: Manabi Straight is far more political than Evangelion.


Manabi Straight was indeed interesting, I should get around to rewatching it at some point.
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Ugh, some of the comments are expectedly cringey again. People have really been brainwashed into just parroting the same bullshit about 'politics' every time this topic comes up. It's sad how ignorant they are, basically the equivalent of normies who refuse to watch anime because it's 'all for children' or 'all tentacle porn'. They're just embarassing themselves.

Anyway, as for the question. Do I? Well, in terms of quantity consumed I guess I spend twice as much time on anime than on western series, which is mostly because I just love animation in general because of how much freedom and creativity can go into it and also because of what other people mentioned already, animation simply being more efficient at emotionally resonating with the viewer. It makes even the mediocre stuff enjoyable to watch while I'm much pickier with live-action.

But aside from that I highly value both (and a bunch of other) storytelling mediums as simply having different strengths. Anime is garbage for social commentary and pretty garbage for anything gritty and crime related and even in terms of just mysteries in general I prefer western live-action stuff. All of those are things I really love to watch, so I couldn't do without getting my dose of them from western shows. Anime on the other hand has slice of life and sports and battle shounen which are all not really a thing in the west and which I also love. I also prefer romance in anime much more.

In terms of the average length of a show, anime are way way too short and incomplete which can be frustrating and make otherwise potentially great watches very forgettable. Western TV series have the opposite problem of often overstaying their welcome and being prolonged just for the sake of it even after running out of ideas. I don't know how many shows I loved early on but after like 3 seasons I lost all interest in them because it just kept forcefully one-upping itself until it just became ridiculous or silly. But tbh, I still prefer that over the problem anime has with titles being too short and unfinished. At least I got 3 long seasons of great enjoyment out of a show, even if it declines afterwards. Feels a lot better than having it end after just 12 short episodes, when I basically feel like I just got into it and now the good stuff would start. I'll always prefer longer stories on average because I love stories and longer ones have just more story to them.

Oh and of course lolis. As a lolicon, lolis are a quintessential part of the appeal of the anime medium :>.


I also love manga, comics, books and movies but I'M not gonna write an essay for each of them. I much prefer series over movies, again because of my length preferences. With comics and books I do have very high opinions of those media, but realistically I just don't spend as much time on them because I'm a lazy fuck and it's just easier to passively consume a visual medium than actively focusing on reading something. But honestly, almost no anime and TV series can compare to a good Terry Pratchett novel in terms of enjoyment and quality, not to mention some of my favorite individual novels. Books are the only medium in which horror has ever worked for me, for example.
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Pullman said:
Ugh, most of the comments are expectedly cringey again. People have really been brainwashed into just parroting the same bullshit about 'politics' every time this topic comes up. It's sad how ignorant they are, basically the equivalent of normies who refuse to watch anime because it's 'all for children' or 'all tentacle porn'. They're just embarassing themselves.

Anyway, as for the question. Do I? Well, in terms of quantity consumed I guess I spend twice as much time on anime than on western series, which is mostly because I just love animation in general because of how much freedom and creativity can go into it. It makes even the mediocre stuff enjoyable to watch while I'm much pickier with live-action. But aside from that I highly value both (and a bunch of other) storytelling mediums as simply having different strengths. Anime is garbage for social commentary and pretty garbage for anything gritty and crime related and even in terms of just mysteries in general I prefer western live-action stuff. All of those are things I really love to watch, so I couldn't do without getting my dose of them from western shows. Anime on the other hand has slice of life and sports and battle shounen which are all not really a thing in the west and which I also love. I also prefer romance in anime much more.

In terms of the average length of a show, anime are way way too short and incomplete which can be frustrating and make otherwise potentially great watches very forgettable. Western TV series have the opposite problem of often overstaying their welcome and being prolonged just for the sake of it even after running out of ideas. I don't know how many shows I loved early on but after like 3 seasons I lost all interest in them because it just kept forcefully one-upping itself until it just became ridiculous or silly. But tbh, I still prefer that over the problem anime has with titles being too short and unfinished. At least I got 3 long seasons of great enjoyment out of a show, even if it declines afterwards. Feels a lot better than having it end after just 12 short episodes, when I basically feel like I just got into it and now the good stuff would start. I'll always prefer longer stories on average because I love stories and longer ones have just more story to them.

Oh and of course lolis. As a lolicon, lolis are a quintessential part of the appeal of the anime medium :>.


I also love manga, comics, books and movies but I'M not gonna write an essay for each of them. I much prefer series over movies, again because of my length preferences. With comics and books I do have very high opinions of those media, but realistically I just don't spend as much time on them because I'm a lazy fuck and it's just easier to passively consume a visual medium than actively focusing on reading something. But honestly, almost no anime and TV series can compare to a good Terry Pratchett novel in terms of enjoyment and quality, not to mention some of my favorite individual novels. Books are the only medium in which horror has ever worked for me, for example.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but tbh for me personally I'm the exact opposite with runtimes. I prefer it when a series I get the same level of enjoyment from is shorter rather then waste valuable time I could have spent on other shows with uninteresting filler and still lead nowhere. There a lots of great Anime that are only 26 or so episodes long and feel like complete masterpieces whereas most live action dramas I've seen are long drawn out and watered down while usually dropping drastically in quality by the halfway point. Not saying there aren't exceptions of course though.
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Bunsuke said:
Hades_Gil said:
Cause 2D>3D at portraying emotions through media.

pretty sure this has been proven to be a sign of autism


Ahahah what a strange way to spell "sign of culture"
May 8, 2019 6:48 AM

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im a simple man so i like animation (especially eye candy sakuga) and the waifus
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I lost interest in live action series and movies, not because of the content but due to the platform holders.
I hate the whole subscription based model, while the old and established TV channels have lost their cultural and educational edge compared to previous years. Anime falls under the same trend.

I only watch old classic movies on cinemas everytime I visit my brother in London. This is the only way to enjoy the medium.

Eg when it comes to animation I watched Disney Pinocchio, Land Before Time, Princess Kaguya and Marnie this year on cinema + plus classic movies like Robocop, Good, Bad and Ugly, Beauty and the Beast (1940s movie) etc Dont need anything more after this

Only then does watching a movie reach the same impression as reading a book.



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Bebop_Hakusho said:
Pullman said:
Ugh, most of the comments are expectedly cringey again. People have really been brainwashed into just parroting the same bullshit about 'politics' every time this topic comes up. It's sad how ignorant they are, basically the equivalent of normies who refuse to watch anime because it's 'all for children' or 'all tentacle porn'. They're just embarassing themselves.

Anyway, as for the question. Do I? Well, in terms of quantity consumed I guess I spend twice as much time on anime than on western series, which is mostly because I just love animation in general because of how much freedom and creativity can go into it. It makes even the mediocre stuff enjoyable to watch while I'm much pickier with live-action. But aside from that I highly value both (and a bunch of other) storytelling mediums as simply having different strengths. Anime is garbage for social commentary and pretty garbage for anything gritty and crime related and even in terms of just mysteries in general I prefer western live-action stuff. All of those are things I really love to watch, so I couldn't do without getting my dose of them from western shows. Anime on the other hand has slice of life and sports and battle shounen which are all not really a thing in the west and which I also love. I also prefer romance in anime much more.

In terms of the average length of a show, anime are way way too short and incomplete which can be frustrating and make otherwise potentially great watches very forgettable. Western TV series have the opposite problem of often overstaying their welcome and being prolonged just for the sake of it even after running out of ideas. I don't know how many shows I loved early on but after like 3 seasons I lost all interest in them because it just kept forcefully one-upping itself until it just became ridiculous or silly. But tbh, I still prefer that over the problem anime has with titles being too short and unfinished. At least I got 3 long seasons of great enjoyment out of a show, even if it declines afterwards. Feels a lot better than having it end after just 12 short episodes, when I basically feel like I just got into it and now the good stuff would start. I'll always prefer longer stories on average because I love stories and longer ones have just more story to them.

Oh and of course lolis. As a lolicon, lolis are a quintessential part of the appeal of the anime medium :>.


I also love manga, comics, books and movies but I'M not gonna write an essay for each of them. I much prefer series over movies, again because of my length preferences. With comics and books I do have very high opinions of those media, but realistically I just don't spend as much time on them because I'm a lazy fuck and it's just easier to passively consume a visual medium than actively focusing on reading something. But honestly, almost no anime and TV series can compare to a good Terry Pratchett novel in terms of enjoyment and quality, not to mention some of my favorite individual novels. Books are the only medium in which horror has ever worked for me, for example.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but tbh for me personally I'm the exact opposite with runtimes. I prefer it when a series I get the same level of enjoyment from is shorter rather then waste valuable time I could have spent on other shows with uninteresting filler and still lead nowhere. There a lots of great Anime that are only 26 or so episodes long and feel like complete masterpieces whereas most live action dramas I've seen are long drawn out and watered down while usually dropping drastically in quality by the halfway point. Not saying there aren't exceptions of course though.


The thing is, when they are the same levels of enjoyment I'll always just prefer to have more of it and if it isn't enjoyable the length doesn't really matter either way so I never understood why people just assume that longer shows will be worse by default. I just expect the same for all lengths, but I know that if it's a hit a longer show will simply provide me more enjoyment than a similarly enjoyable shorter one. I feel like that's the only really fair way of comparing the two that doesn't cloud the judgment with assumptions just based on length, before you even start a show.

When you start a show, it's always a gamble whether it'll be good or not, no matter the length, but if it turns out good I'd rather it have more episodes than being over before it really starts so I don't have to gamble again soon. Does that make sense?

If you really enjoy a 12 episode anime, don't you wish it was longer and there was more for you to enjoy? I see those sentiments all the time from people who otherwise claim to prefer shorter series, but then crave for more seasons of their favorites, which they wouldn't need if they were longer shows from the start, so I feel like people who say they prefer shorter ones are only saying it because they have negatively biased opinions about longer shows, but then want everything they like to be longer than it is because, in the end, they agree that having more of something you love is always gonna be better.

I don't disagree that there are plenty of anime that are great even tho they are short, but in the big scheme of things they still feel more than exceptions in the same way that 3+ season western shows that don't decline in quality are exceptions. It's pretty rare to have a 1-cour anime that is actually complete and doesn't just feel like a teaser for the source material.

And as I said about western shows, they do often fizzle out, but even if they do they often provided like 50 x 45 minutes of great enjoyment already, at which point they already gave me so much more enjoyment than an anime series of similar quality with 12 x 20 minutes that I can just drop them without regrets because they've done their job.

As someone who cares mostly about the journey, the viewing experience, and not very much about the ending in particular, the more 'enjoyment time' I get out of a show, the more I'll appreciate it, even if it ends with me dropping it later on or having a weak final episode or whatever. I already got my payoff during the first 2 or 3 seasons. Also, sometimes a show can decline but still be enjoyable, just not on the same level as the earlier seasons so it isn't always a black or white thing. I still loved the latter season of Scrubs for example, even tho they were definitely worse than the early and mid seasons.

In the end I just feel that shortness just really limits what a story can do, the paths it can take, the amount of things it can explore etc... A short series can still be great, but only in particular ways. It can't be a great fantasy epic or space opera or large scale political show with just 12 episodes, for example. If you want those types of shows to be good, they need time, among other things. The more time a show has the more things it can do, while short shows have to stick to certain types of narratives if they don't want to feel rushed and incomplete. They just offer less, not necessarily in terms of quality, but in terms of variety, focus and scale.

And lastly I've also made the experience that length on it's own can just make me more attached to a show and its characters. If I spend 50+ episodes on a show the cast just grows more familiar and coming back to the show starts feeling like 'coming home' of sorts. It's hard to explain, but just like friendship irl grows the more time you spend together my attachment to characters also grows in a similar fashion if I get to spend more time with them. Even my favorite 12 episode shows don't really reach that level of attachment in the long-term. I've always cared more about the characters rather than the plot so that factor alone would make long-runners worth it.

All of that combined just make a good, long show more rewarding than a good, short show. Of course a good short one will still be better than a bad long one, but that's not really a fair comparison in the first place.

Sorry for the wall of text, but it's a topic I've thought (and written) a lot about in the past so I always have a lot to say about it from all angles. I'm not trying to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong, just trying to explain why I feel that way and maybe make you rethink at least some of your stance towards longer shows.
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I find anime easier to get immersed into than other media. A decent animation and good voice acting is all it takes. As for movies and live series, in general they need to have a decent budget to produce a good enough cinematography for it to be immersive. Not to mention they need good actors that will be able to act their part well. IMO.
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I like the tendency to combine existential sadness with things that are cute.

And honestly, the giant, beautiful eyes
May 8, 2019 7:48 AM

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I don't think there's any superior medium inherently. Animation just happens to have more artistic freedom.

As for me, I simply enjoy seeing 2D drawings in motion convey an equally strong message as their 3D counterparts. Also, because of artistic freedom you also get to see exaggerated caricatures of subtle facial expressions, both for comical/serious purposes. Also, I am fond of the distinctive art-style identity Japan has created for itself.

Unfortunately, an overwhelming majority of anime have unfinished stories but that just means you need to look a bit harder for completed ones.
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Some anime actually try to tell a good story. Most other media either recycles ad nauseam old stuff creates mindless entertainment or try to indoctrinate the viewer. People in Hollywood seem not to be interested in telling stories anymore. Just to indoctrinate the viewer and if possible to make money.
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Hades_Gil said:
Cause 2D>3D at portraying emotions through media.


So looking at real people displaying actual emotions is worse than having a 2D character animate an emotion? Come off it, mate.

As a blanket statement, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

EDIT :-

I'm not trying to say that animation, 2D or otherwise, isn't capable of portraying emotion effectively or even as effectively as live actors. You can find examples of good and bad in both forms of media.

What I am saying, is that one isn't inherently better than the other.
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I don't think that way. Because thinking like that is practically a broad and hasty generalization. Individual anime and individual tv shows and sitcoms and cartoons should be judged on their merit and not their medium. Because, irrespective of medium, good is good and bad is bad.
May 8, 2019 9:57 AM

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This is similar to another thread that cropped up recently.

I personally don't prefer anime/animation over live action media or vice versa. If I watch anime for too long I start to feel like I'm not living in the real world, so it's refreshing to go back to watching actual people act. I mean why limit yourself to one form of media when there is so much good stuff out there? As I said in the other thread, the first season of True Detective is the finest 8 hours of TV I've ever watched. A total masterclass in acting, plot and character writing.

Not to mention the likes of The Wire, GoT, BSG, The Expanse (which I hear is great but I haven't watched yet, same with The Handmaid's Tale), Hap and Leonard (which is janky but I really enjoyed it), The Shield, Firefly...the list goes on. Limiting yourself means missing out on some exceptional stories.

Anime often tells different types of stories though, and has it's own sub-genres and tropes that you just don't see anywhere else, which is a big part of why I enjoy it.
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i don't, i prefer live action and media from across the globe. i enjoy the exposure to a wider variety of culture and enjoy the nuances that come with their storytelling. simply watching anime as your only source of media is so limiting.
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May 8, 2019 10:19 AM
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CallMeHoot said:
Hades_Gil said:
Cause 2D>3D at portraying emotions through media.


So looking at real people displaying actual emotions is worse than having a 2D character animate an emotion? Come off it, mate.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.


This topic is much more frequent in video games actually where they even motion cap and use the faces of real actors in 3D models, especially in high end game productions. They reached now a point where in some scenes 3D models resemble actual real actors.

They started this trend earlier with live action FMV games with real actors in the 90s, but as technology advanced, they swapped them with 3D models for better control.

Though I would have liked that canceled project of Phantasmagoria 3 where they would use real actors and track them in real time with multiple cameras around them. It would have been very difficult and expensive to achieve but it would have ended as a unique experience.

On the other hand though, a scene of a 16-bit JRPG game with blob characters could be just as emotional, if not more, than the latest CGI JRPG.They resemble a theater act
May 8, 2019 10:20 AM

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nightcrawlercyp said:
Some anime actually try to tell a good story. Most other media either recycles ad nauseam old stuff creates mindless entertainment or try to indoctrinate the viewer. People in Hollywood seem not to be interested in telling stories anymore. Just to indoctrinate the viewer and if possible to make money.
Yeah, you haven't really explored that much if you honestly believe that.
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petran79 said:
CallMeHoot said:


So looking at real people displaying actual emotions is worse than having a 2D character animate an emotion? Come off it, mate.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.


This topic is much more frequent in video games actually where they even motion cap and use the faces of real actors in 3D models, especially in high end game productions. They reached now a point where in some scenes 3D models resemble actual real actors.

They started this trend earlier with live action FMV games with real actors in the 90s, but as technology advanced, they swapped them with 3D models for better control.

Though I would have liked that canceled project of Phantasmagoria 3 where they would use real actors and track them in real time with multiple cameras around them. It would have been very difficult and expensive to achieve but it would have ended as a unique experience.

On the other hand though, a scene of a 16-bit JRPG game with blob characters could be just as emotional, if not more, than the latest CGI JRPG.They resemble a theater act


I'm old enough to remember FMV and Phantasmagoria, also I've always been a pretty die hard PC Gamer so yeah, I understand the current state of animation and mo-cap in games.

I wasn't trying to say that animation, 2D or otherwise, wasn't capable of portraying emotion effectively or even as effectively as live actors. You can find examples of good and bad in both forms of media. I played Planescape: Torment and when you hit a certain point in the game
if you don't at least feel something from experiencing that then you're dead inside. Although I guess that's more based on the writing as opposed to the animation. Ok, better example, the first 20 minutes of Ori and the Blind Forest. It's a 2D platformer but the opening 20 minutes had enough emotional heft to make me cry. Proper sobs as well, not just this sly tear business.

What I was saying, is that one isn't inherently better than the other.
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying but tbh for me personally I'm the exact opposite with runtimes. I prefer it when a series I get the same level of enjoyment from is shorter rather then waste valuable time I could have spent on other shows with uninteresting filler and still lead nowhere. There a lots of great Anime that are only 26 or so episodes long and feel like complete masterpieces whereas most live action dramas I've seen are long drawn out and watered down while usually dropping drastically in quality by the halfway point. Not saying there aren't exceptions of course though.


The thing is, when they are the same levels of enjoyment I'll always just prefer to have more of it and if it isn't enjoyable the length doesn't really matter either way so I never understood why people just assume that longer shows will be worse by default. I just expect the same for all lengths, but I know that if it's a hit a longer show will simply provide me more enjoyment than a similarly enjoyable shorter one. I feel like that's the only really fair way of comparing the two that doesn't cloud the judgment with assumptions just based on length, before you even start a show.

When you start a show, it's always a gamble whether it'll be good or not, no matter the length, but if it turns out good I'd rather it have more episodes than being over before it really starts so I don't have to gamble again soon. Does that make sense?

If you really enjoy a 12 episode anime, don't you wish it was longer and there was more for you to enjoy? I see those sentiments all the time from people who otherwise claim to prefer shorter series, but then crave for more seasons of their favorites, which they wouldn't need if they were longer shows from the start, so I feel like people who say they prefer shorter ones are only saying it because they have negatively biased opinions about longer shows, but then want everything they like to be longer than it is because, in the end, they agree that having more of something you love is always gonna be better.

I don't disagree that there are plenty of anime that are great even tho they are short, but in the big scheme of things they still feel more than exceptions in the same way that 3+ season western shows that don't decline in quality are exceptions. It's pretty rare to have a 1-cour anime that is actually complete and doesn't just feel like a teaser for the source material.

And as I said about western shows, they do often fizzle out, but even if they do they often provided like 50 x 45 minutes of great enjoyment already, at which point they already gave me so much more enjoyment than an anime series of similar quality with 12 x 20 minutes that I can just drop them without regrets because they've done their job.

As someone who cares mostly about the journey, the viewing experience, and not very much about the ending in particular, the more 'enjoyment time' I get out of a show, the more I'll appreciate it, even if it ends with me dropping it later on or having a weak final episode or whatever. I already got my payoff during the first 2 or 3 seasons. Also, sometimes a show can decline but still be enjoyable, just not on the same level as the earlier seasons so it isn't always a black or white thing. I still loved the latter season of Scrubs for example, even tho they were definitely worse than the early and mid seasons.

In the end I just feel that shortness just really limits what a story can do, the paths it can take, the amount of things it can explore etc... A short series can still be great, but only in particular ways. It can't be a great fantasy epic or space opera or large scale political show with just 12 episodes, for example. If you want those types of shows to be good, they need time, among other things. The more time a show has the more things it can do, while short shows have to stick to certain types of narratives if they don't want to feel rushed and incomplete. They just offer less, not necessarily in terms of quality, but in terms of variety, focus and scale.

And lastly I've also made the experience that length on it's own can just make me more attached to a show and its characters. If I spend 50+ episodes on a show the cast just grows more familiar and coming back to the show starts feeling like 'coming home' of sorts. It's hard to explain, but just like friendship irl grows the more time you spend together my attachment to characters also grows in a similar fashion if I get to spend more time with them. Even my favorite 12 episode shows don't really reach that level of attachment in the long-term. I've always cared more about the characters rather than the plot so that factor alone would make long-runners worth it.

All of that combined just make a good, long show more rewarding than a good, short show. Of course a good short one will still be better than a bad long one, but that's not really a fair comparison in the first place.

Sorry for the wall of text, but it's a topic I've thought (and written) a lot about in the past so I always have a lot to say about it from all angles. I'm not trying to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong, just trying to explain why I feel that way and maybe make you rethink at least some of your stance towards longer shows.

Thank you for helping me to better understand your stance. I enjoy hearing other people's opinion on topics that interest me. I do feel though that maybe I could explained mine a little better as you seem to misunderstand it a little. I also tend to not care about plot that much in stories as it mostly serves as a foundation for the things that do interest me. That out of the way I find there are two extremes in the types of stories that exist: stories that are meant to be entertaining (likable characters/light hearted tone that's fun) and the kind that are meant to be appreciated for their artistic merit (technically impressive/interesting themes). Of course most stories strike a balance between these two extremes and they aren't mutually exclusive but usually a series leans more toward one end of the spectrum. For shows that lean more towards the just for entertainment side then assuming it keeps a consistent level of quality I say the more the merrier. (This is why most of the live action shows I like tend to be comedies) but for the artistic leaning side I tend to like a complete story from start to finish as that's the point and it has less to do with plot (events in the story) and more to do with character progression and seeing ideas be resolved. When these things are the main point of the story's existence then not seeing it to the end or having said ending suck hurts the whole experience for me personally. When I say similar levels of enjoyment I mean the stuff I like are more or less the same but the longer show has lots of things that I dislike or am indifferent to making it feel like a waste of time to sit through by comparison. Most of the live action dramas I've seen are padded out for the sake of being longer, putting an emphasis on the narrative over the characters/ themes or beating certain points into the ground until it becomes predictable and unnecessary. I tend to have a short attention span (especially for elements I don't care about in a story) and prefer either shorter shows that can be experienced in the time it takes for my mood to change, shows that have a lot of variety or longer shows that can easily be picked up/put on hold without having remind myself of what's going on in the narrative every time I return because I usually forget about it.
A few of my favorite series are really long. Even the fact they tend to decline in quality doesn't bother me as much because they're still enjoyable and don't have an emphasis on narrative.
It's theoretically possible for a show to be really long, have an emphasis on narrative and still be good but I don't think I've seen one yet so if you have a suggestion I'm still open to finding it. The only one I can think of that I haven't seen but want to check out is Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Thanks for reading my wall of text. Hopefully I've better explained my position and cleared up any misunderstandings from my previous comment but please feel free to ask any questions or make suggestions for longer shows you think I may enjoy (they can be non-anime).
I've really enjoyed this exchange.
Edit: when I say really good or something along those lines what I mean is something that connects with me personally or fits in with the reasons I experience art as opposed to any measure of perceived quality as on a case by case basis at least art is purely subjective.
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I like animation in general. As to why i usually prefer it over other visual mediums (such as live-acting, sitcoms, etc..) is because the former is not bound by realism or actors performances (at least not in a way that is clearly noticeable).. it presents everything in an artistic manner and i really like how much attention to detail the animators put into the production of it in order to put everything toguether.
Not devaluing other mediums tho, sometimes i rather read a book/comic/LN or play a game over watching an anime that doesnt grab my interest even if it looks good, sooo "perference" bends depending on the product that is being presented.
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