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Pedram said: herrickluk said: What they said does not dismiss the arguments I made. 1) How does Cardinal dying solve any of the issues they currently had. There was ZERO chance Quinella would've listened to anything Cardinal was asking her to do.Alice even stated she can't be reasoned with. Asking Quinella to spare the three after she die? Yea that turned out into Quinella attacking Sword Eugeo regardless, and attacking Alice, and Kirito. 2) Cardinal can't attack the Sword Golem because it's filled with humans lives, so why does Sword Eugeo attack and destroy it. 3) The time it takes for Eugeo to learn and decide to turn into a sword is literally 30 seconds of on screen time, no buildup, no development, just a BTW I gotta turn into a sword. It's not a matter of not reading, it's a matter of bad character development and plot building. Sigh... 1) My comment somewhere else when someone asked if Quinella swearing on her fluctlight was any kind of real bind or did Cardinal just believed Quinella : IIRC there was no binding or anything preventing Quinella to not harm them afterward. But there was no reason for Quinella to fight them either, since the very beginning, Quinella didn't think of them as anything more than Ants. her whole plan was to finally lure out Cardinal and kill her, that was her whole goal. Cardinal was at a dead end... her only chance was to bet on Quinella swearing off the only think that she cared about, her fluctlight, and giving the 3 some time. she did not really expect them to be able to fight back later. I think she just wanted to give them a bit of time away from Quinella and hope that Kirito can do something or get some help from the other side, since she completely gave up hope of defeating her from this side. in Cardinal's opinion, it was either everyone die and she can bother Admin a bit... but she will fix herself eventually. or bet that she can have a small chance of letting the other 3 survive. 2) I already explained it above, Cardinal can't coz she is a program and she have many limitation, not only she got Seal of the Right eye, she is not really a human and is half program. same as Quinella. she can't disobey. Eugeo can attack it coz Eugeo broke the only seal and limitation he had in EP10 ! he broke his eye. 3) Eugeo literally saw what Quinella did, turn the beloved people of the memory crystals and make them into sword, then let their Desire to posses their loved one, control the Sword Golem. He then think he should do the same with himself, because... he learn from EP19~20, that the desire to posses that Quinella is mistaking as real love and using it is not really correct and what the humans want. Love is not someone u take in return for giving, it's not like money or a trade, he believed if he become a Sword with Alice, his and Kid alice's bond is stronger than the fake desire that control Sword Golem and will defeat it. and it did. there is build up and development and obvious reasons for everything before this. you just didn't notice. Sigh... 1) I don't agree with that at all. There is no outcome where dying would be better than living for Cardinal. If she just wanted to stall time for Kirito and others, staying alive would undoubtedly give them more time to decide on a course of action. If she thought there was a chance Quinella would not immediately attack them afterwards, then that's just poor misguided reasoning, which I dont buy. 2) That's not what I'm arguing. I understand that Cardinal cannot attack humans, it is the fact that Eugeo did that I have contention with. Why would he attack and destroy the physical embodiment of human lives, it makes no sense. They are HUMAN LIVES! 3) That may be the case, but the time it took for him to decide he had to turn into a sword and him actually doing it is not believable. It's not convincing in the slightest. Literally 30 seconds to decide. No monologue, no discussion with the other members, he just does it. |
Pedram said: herrickluk said: Sigh... 1) I don't agree with that at all. There is no outcome where dying would be better than living for Cardinal. If she just wanted to stall time for Kirito and others, staying alive would undoubtedly give them more time to decide on a course of action. If she thought there was a chance Quinella would not immediately attack them afterwards, then that's just poor misguided reasoning, which I dont buy. 2) That's not what I'm arguing. I understand that Cardinal cannot attack humans, it is the fact that Eugeo did that I have contention with. Why would he attack and destroy the physical embodiment of human lives, it makes no sense. They are HUMAN LIVES! 3) That may be the case, but the time it took for him to decide he had to turn into a sword and him actually doing it is not believable. It's not convincing in the slightest. Literally 30 seconds to decide. No monologue, no discussion with the other members, he just does it. Meh, I gave u the reasons why i believe it make sense and was a nice scene, you disagree. Let's leave it at that. just a correction, I did not mean Cardinal trying to buy time for them In there, that place was cut off from outside world, i mean buy some alive time for them after Quinella let them leave. As I said, Cardinal 100% believe she and everyone there will die with her. She had equal or less power with Quinella, and quinella had a OP boost, she know he will die no matter what, so she gave up. instead she choose to bet for a bad ending of her dying and maybe saving the other 3 for a while, against everyone dying. I already told u why eugeo "can" attack, if u asking "why would" then he decide to sacrifice 300 for half of the whole population. Agree to disagree. I don't think Eugeo's choice of sacrificing the little to save the many is his choice to make, but that's another argument. |
| I've loved this episode, Eugeo's moment was awesome, i'm in love with him from the start but this moment is really moving for me. So i'm really sad for what is happened, however this is my favourite episode of the season! |
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| Damn yo. It was a solid episode, but I don't care much for the characters and therefore missed the emotional impact. |
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| This escalated quickly. Fuck what a good episode. Respecc to our boi Eugeo, you will be missed. |
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| Episode was a bit talky at times. Can't say I care too much about Eugio, he was always a bit of a wet lettuce. Looking forward to next week and seeing were this goes after the tower climb. |
| All that talking build up just to get a giant CG'd sword flying around. Eh. Hopefully Kirito's doesn't resort to that. |
Shirokuza said: that wasnt even a duel dude, that was suicide. cardinal didnt even fight backCardinal challenged the Administrator to duel but in the end Cardinal lost and died. On the other hand Eugeo continued the battle by turning into a sword but he also died. Next Kirito will fight the Administrator.  |
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| Good god this episode was awful. |
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| Well that took a wild turn... |
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| pretty disappointing episode for me, thank god i read the novel so this is totally studio's fault for making anime watchers confused. next episode must be BETTER or it will be a disappointment even more still no better action than the goblin fight imo |
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| Oh yes so nice Eugeo was unbearable, good bye lmao |
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| Hi, today during the day I had the chance to watch episode 23 of Sword Art Online: Alicization. From mid-episode I began to notice something very interesting, which I am going to explain to you now. The automaton, created by the Administrator, presents on the surface, behind the head, a sword where, however, only the handle could be seen. The sword in question is this:   I noticed a certain similarity with this other sword, present in the film (Ordinal Scale):  let me know what you think, thanks. |
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| Well I have to say that is a very unique strategy they went with here - Step 1 literally sacrifice your MVP. Step 2 Charge in 1 at a time and die. Step 3 ??? Step 4 Profit Wasnt the fight vs the sword robot supposed to be long or something? Last EP someone said it was 300 pages. The fight in the OP/ED was longer than this and last time combined lmao First I was curious what Alicization had to offer, I quite liked the previous seasons (- second half of the first but lets just pretend that never happened) and many people said Alicization is the best part of SAO, I never really saw that, even though I liked some elememts of it, but this? I still wonder how they are going to fill the other 25 episodes. Its still supposed to be 4 seasons long right? Dont get me wrong I do want to love this, but the adaption so far makes it extremely hard to do so. And all the bUt iN tHe Ln!1! Comments here certainly dont make it better. PS: But Quinella is kinda hot and I could listen to her VA forever so Im still going to watch this as fast as possible. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
LampSynthesis21 said: Comander-07 said: Well I have to say that is a very unique strategy they went with here - Step 1 literally sacrifice your MVP. Step 2 Charge in 1 at a time and die. Step 3 ??? Step 4 Profit Wasnt the fight vs the sword robot supposed to be long or something? Last EP someone said it was 300 pages. The fight in the OP/ED was longer than this and last time combined lmao First I was curious what Alicization had to offer, I quite liked the previous seasons (- second half of the first but lets just pretend that never happened) and many people said Alicization is the best part of SAO, I never really saw that, even though I liked some elememts of it, but this? I still wonder how they are going to fill the other 25 episodes. Its still supposed to be 4 seasons long right? Dont get me wrong I do want to love this, but the adaption so far makes it extremely hard to do so. And all the bUt iN tHe Ln!1! Comments here certainly dont make it better. PS: But Quinella is kinda hot and I could listen to her VA forever so Im still going to watch this as fast as possible. Same. I almost wish they got tomohiko itou back on the project. At this point I actually hope he just dual wields and kills her off in an epic 1 second fight. I havent looked at the staff yet but I will |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Comander-07 said: Well I have to say that is a very unique strategy they went with here - Step 1 literally sacrifice your MVP. Step 2 Charge in 1 at a time and die. Step 3 ??? Step 4 Profit Wasnt the fight vs the sword robot supposed to be long or something? Last EP someone said it was 300 pages. The fight in the OP/ED was longer than this and last time combined lmao First I was curious what Alicization had to offer, I quite liked the previous seasons (- second half of the first but lets just pretend that never happened) and many people said Alicization is the best part of SAO, I never really saw that, even though I liked some elememts of it, but this? I still wonder how they are going to fill the other 25 episodes. Its still supposed to be 4 seasons long right? Dont get me wrong I do want to love this, but the adaption so far makes it extremely hard to do so. And all the bUt iN tHe Ln!1! Comments here certainly dont make it better. PS: But Quinella is kinda hot and I could listen to her VA forever so Im still going to watch this as fast as possible. That was Quinella's plan was to lure out Cardinal by toying with the the three on the verge of death. The fight itself wasn't 300 pages but rather the entire volume of Volume 14 is. Most of the pages of light novel volume was simply pages and pages of internal monologue of the characters thoughts at that very moment of combat albeit the "actual combat" in real time goes over a split second. There has never been a practical way to convey hundreds of pages of character monologues that goes over the characters minds in the duration of a few seconds in "real time" be it in "lore" or "animation" without dragging out a very "heated but short" scene into a 100-200 episode anime in which alot of the episodes are the characters thoughts/flashbacks (like Naruto/DBZ), while the present event (the combat) is conveyed very slow motion. |
| Lmao that was the dumbest thing I've seen in this series yet - Eugeo turning into a sword. CGI was bad too but also was bad for Alice's hair in some specific scenes, glaringly bad. Plot is still fine to me but I find the pacing to be extremely slow lately. |
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| Good lord. They couldn't have adapted this better if they tried. It's almost as good as I imagined while reading it. Quinella's face looked so scary when she's up against Eugeo. Next ep final fight. Gonna be so epic. If I didn't already read the VN I would be thinking how could it get any better... |
| Well this definitely got interesting, Quintella took some damage while Cardinal is no longer with them, sacrificing herself so the others could live. While Eugeo thought he had different plans and turned into a sword. After his transformation he got cracked into 2 pieces... by the looks of it, he is dead as well, but you never know with SAO! papsoshea said: While I disliked that little CG showdown moment, I thought this was one of the better of episodes and very unexpected that Eugeo bites the dust? RIP Eugeo? Well, RIP to Cardinal, would have been good for her to see the Administrator to go down but we can't always have the best of happy endings. Lol and the big moment has arrived, the eventual battle with the Administrator Quinella vs the Godly Kirito! ALSO! Can someone please tell me if this has 25 episodes? or 50? And is it going to stop at 25 for a break or continue until its finished? Some sites have it marked at 25 episodes but on MAL it's "?" Before this season started, there was stated it was going to be a 4-cour adaptation. The likes of Crunchyroll and Animelab had shared it on their socials. Source |
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LampSynthesis21 said: yes indeed, me too. they destroyed almost every interesting moments in the novel. no wonder there are so many people shitting this series despite it was better in the sourcezalapeno said: pretty disappointing episode for me, thank god i read the novel so this is totally studio's fault for making anime watchers confused. next episode must be BETTER or it will be a disappointment even more still no better action than the goblin fight imo As a whole it largely has been a disappointment. Its ironic how the rest of the community overhyped the show for not having a harem despite the fact that the side characters actually made it more entertaining to watch. I honestly prefer the novels. |
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| What an episode it is. They adapt it nice, this was a better and powerful episode. Cardinal sacrifice herself, Eugeo too for the defeat of sword golem and land a hit to Quinella. They reveal the secret of sword golem and the shining crystal at the roof. Overall emotional and great episode, the OST use heighten the scene nicely. And the climax next episode with a surprising conclusion. |
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| I fucking hate big CGI monster fights, get this shit out of here. |
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Made-In-Heaven said: im with you, a reboot by better studios and adapted the entire alicization arc in a proper way. i feel so bad when the source is good but the adaptation is bad, such a wastezalapeno said: pretty disappointing episode for me, thank god i read the novel so this is totally studio's fault for making anime watchers confused. next episode must be BETTER or it will be a disappointment even more still no better action than the goblin fight imo I agree it's a bad adaptation. The anime rather feels like as if they quickly want to have it done... Especially Eugeo suffered under this and I want a reboot by a better studio just to show anime fans how great his character actually is compared to the anime... *sigh* |
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herrickluk said: the guy above explain your gripes this episode and just a matter of piece it together to get a gist of it. And they explain the argument you give. Seems your a bit overboard with judging the series without understand it.Uruz7Laevatein said: Arguments that are nothing but autistic screeching, it's no different than "npcs" finding something to get butthurt for no reason. Indeed it is, it is one of the more well written/consistent anime stories to ever be conceived of. Of course most if not all of the "criticisms" of the series are just debunked bs talking points (like how a competent character is considered "overpowered", no less than a hardworking/accomplished person in irl is seen as "privileged" in this day and age) by critics who praise/circlejerk over shows where mediocrity/victimhood (like Eva,and insert shonen shows,etc) is admired and considered "t3h deeps". Saying SAO is greatness (although not politically correct on anime forums) doesn't invalidate my points, whether it hurts someones feelings or not. >NPC bs bro what? stop using analogies and actually formulate an actual argument >Indeed it is, it is one of the more well written/consistent anime stories to ever be conceived of. Of course most if not all of the "criticisms" of the series are just debunked bs talking points . No they aren't. They are valid criticisms of a lack of character development and overused clichés about the Mary Sue Kirito that end up diluting the plot and making for predictable outcomes. If you enjoy that, it's fine. But that doesn't mean the story isn't bad. |
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Comander-07 said: me too, as i read the novel i got my hype too much for this adaptation. the 4 first episodes was good and they made the fight againts the goblins soo damn smooth. but after episodes 10-now everything became worse. i wonder they could added original scene like GGO in episode 1 but couldnt even extended a fight. yes i know it is hard to adapt 6 volumes in 25 episodes, but they cut almost every interesting parts. i feel bad for anime-watchers and no wonder they shitting this series so much.Well I have to say that is a very unique strategy they went with here - Step 1 literally sacrifice your MVP. Step 2 Charge in 1 at a time and die. Step 3 ??? Step 4 Profit Wasnt the fight vs the sword robot supposed to be long or something? Last EP someone said it was 300 pages. The fight in the OP/ED was longer than this and last time combined lmao First I was curious what Alicization had to offer, I quite liked the previous seasons (- second half of the first but lets just pretend that never happened) and many people said Alicization is the best part of SAO, I never really saw that, even though I liked some elememts of it, but this? I still wonder how they are going to fill the other 25 episodes. Its still supposed to be 4 seasons long right? Dont get me wrong I do want to love this, but the adaption so far makes it extremely hard to do so. And all the bUt iN tHe Ln!1! Comments here certainly dont make it better. PS: But Quinella is kinda hot and I could listen to her VA forever so Im still going to watch this as fast as possible. yes it is confirmed to be 4 cours / 48-50 episodes. after this first half, we will get the "war of underworld" which means another 25 episodes is going to be a total war againts the dark teritory. i wonder how they will do with the rest, but now i shouldnt have high expectation anymore or it will lead to another disappointment |
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zalapeno said: I think the pacing of 6books are factors why the adaption is so-so. But with the remaining 4books is getting the nice pacing. I hope they take there time to start the war arc.Comander-07 said: me too, as i read the novel i got my hype too much for this adaptation. the 4 first episodes was good and they made the fight againts the goblins soo damn smooth. but after episodes 10-now everything became worse. i wonder they could added original scene like GGO in episode 1 but couldnt even extended a fight. yes i know it is hard to adapt 6 volumes in 25 episodes, but they cut almost every interesting parts. i feel bad for anime-watchers and no wonder they shitting this series so much.Well I have to say that is a very unique strategy they went with here - Step 1 literally sacrifice your MVP. Step 2 Charge in 1 at a time and die. Step 3 ??? Step 4 Profit Wasnt the fight vs the sword robot supposed to be long or something? Last EP someone said it was 300 pages. The fight in the OP/ED was longer than this and last time combined lmao First I was curious what Alicization had to offer, I quite liked the previous seasons (- second half of the first but lets just pretend that never happened) and many people said Alicization is the best part of SAO, I never really saw that, even though I liked some elememts of it, but this? I still wonder how they are going to fill the other 25 episodes. Its still supposed to be 4 seasons long right? Dont get me wrong I do want to love this, but the adaption so far makes it extremely hard to do so. And all the bUt iN tHe Ln!1! Comments here certainly dont make it better. PS: But Quinella is kinda hot and I could listen to her VA forever so Im still going to watch this as fast as possible. yes it is confirmed to be 4 cours / 48-50 episodes. after this first half, we will get the "war of underworld" which means another 25 episodes is going to be a total war againts the dark teritory. i wonder how they will do with the rest, but now i shouldnt have high expectation anymore or it will lead to another disappointment |
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| this show is simultaneously really predictable and also off the walls |
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Exill said: oh man i was wondering and thought the same thing about the adaptation, i actually almost didn't feel anything when Eugeo died.I must say, I quite do not like this episode. So much talk in the beginning, for so little meaning. They skip a lot of character development of many main casts but they include this really long talk. Because of lack of development I just felt nothing when Eugeo die. And Cardinal die without doing anything. I mean Kirito still need to clean up the mess in the end.. So IMO the talk is so pointless and make the episode felt so boring to me. |
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