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Dec 8, 2018 9:04 AM
#1
http://archive.is/DPTv8 These days, anything goes on Steam, but not anything anything. If games are “illegal, or straight up trolling,” Valve says it’ll send them packing. In the past, that’s meant low-effort games with titles like Big Dick and MILF, achievement spam, and certain sex games. Now, according to some developers, Valve is going after games that feature themes of “child exploitation,” which it seems to define, at least in part, as games with sex scenes or nudity where the characters are in high school. Over the past few weeks, the company has removed the store pages of several visual novels, including cross-dressing yaoi romance Cross Love, catholic school visual novel Hello Goodbye, “story about the love between siblings” (yuck) Imolicious, and cat girl game MaoMao Discovery Team. The developers of these games all claim to have received similar emails stating that their games could not be released on Steam. “While we can ship most titles on Steam, we found that this one does feature themes of child exploitation,” read the email received by Top Hat Studios, makers of Cross Love. “Because of that, the app has been banned and cannot be reused.” There are a couple ties that bind the games in question: 1) Cross Love, Hello Goodbye, and Imolicious feature school settings, and 2) all four of the aforementioned games contain adult elements and center around anime-styled characters who appear young—in some cases uncomfortably so [Update - 11:00 PM, 12/07/18: A rep from Hello Goodbye’s publisher has informed Kotaku that the game’s Steam version was to be censored and would not have contained adult content]. However, their developers have taken to protesting the bans on social media, saying that their games have been misunderstood. They all claim they’ve reached out to Valve since receiving their bans, only to be met with silence. Cross Love’s developers say they’ve taken great pains to ensure that their game demonstrates, on multiple occasions, that its students are of age. This includes scenes where they peruse 18+ manga and are ID-ed before being allowed into an adult bookstore. “These scenes aren’t there to be artificially shoehorned in, and while they do exist as further proof of characters’ ages (beyond the disclaimer in the beginning that explicitly states them as being 18), the real reason they’re there is to further many of the themes in the story,” said developer Top Hat to Kotaku in a Twitter DM, pointing out that it’s tried to contact Valve with this information six separate times, to no avail. “A large chunk of the story is about accepting who you are, being comfortable with yourself, and altogether similar themes within a type of coming of age-style love story, which isn’t really seen in most yaoi games.” In reference to people deliberately seeking out childlike characters, Top Hat also said that its game was not “made in any way to appeal to that type of audience or deliver that form of content.” Other games are more questionable. Imolicious’ developer claims there aren’t “any children” in the game, but it revolves around school girls. When I pointed out that most school girls are, by definition, children, developer Yume Creations replied in a DM: “High school students aren’t children, they are teenager[s].” Most teenagers in high school are still minors, so that rationale doesn’t really hold water. The developer also noted, however, that “in [the] case of Imolicious, I added a disclaimer that all characters [are] over 18 like you can see in most visual novels.” They’re not wrong: This is a trend among visual novels featuring adult material—and more broadly among “loli” anime, which tends to feature suspiciously young-looking women who are said to be over 18. But while some take these declarations at face value, others view them as obvious (and creepy) fig leaves. “Having a disclaimer stating that a drawing is of consensual age or not is a ridiculous thing to rely upon,” said one user in a Steam forum thread discussing MaoMao Discovery Team’s legality. “At the end of the day, it is a fictional drawing that does not have an age. If you think they look too young, then they are too young. A bit of text saying ‘this person is 20' changes nothing.” Which brings us to the heart of the matter: It’s Valve’s store, and what it says goes. If someone at Valve decides characters look too young, then they’re too young. Top Hat, however, believes its characters are well above board and that, on top of that, there’s a double standard at play here, not unlike the one some developers felt they’d fallen victim to before Valve officially allowed uncensored sex games on Steam. Games that feature overtly young-looking characters, school settings, and romantic/sexual themes, like Nekopara Extra, Sakura Sakura, A Piece Of Wish Upon The Stars, and Material Girl, are all still on Steam, Top Hat pointed out. The studio feels it’s unfair that these potentially more egregious games get to stick around while its game gets lumped in with others that cross Valve’s invisible line. Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain games, but has yet to hear back. Imolicious developer Yume Creations says it’s given up on trying to get the game on Steam, opting instead to release an uncensored version on internet hentai capital Fakku. In a Steam post, MaoMao’s developers made it sound like they, too, are throwing in the towel. But while Top Hat has put Cross Love up on other stores like Itch.io and Nutaku, it’s still giving Steam the old hopefully-at-least-college-age try. “Steam is a major service, and we had hundreds of players looking forward to buying the game there upon release,” Top Hat said. “The game had wishlists in the thousands, and the community group had several hundred people in it. This is a very large userbase to lose out on, and it hurts us pretty bad. It’s not world ending, but it is quite the end of the year blow.” I'm finding this trend of corporations becoming moral guardians extremely concerning. These companies are becoming more monopolistic and more Californian as time progresses. The whole point of a free society is so that people can live as free as possible without hurting others and so I think there should be some kind of govt intervention in the case of monopolies limiting expression. Doesn't matter if its Google hiding certain opinions or art getting targeted. The idea of people being forced to host things isn't nice but it may be a necessary evil. Sony and Tumblr banning all nudity can be avoided but what if the website hosts and payment platforms become moral crusaders too? Heck, for all we know, Google could be thinking of trying to implement the Chinese social credit system in the west. Sure it wouldn't be the govt but if employers used it to gauge people our whole society would be entirely unfree. |
Dec 8, 2018 9:22 AM
#2
I mean, you shouldn't really be surprised. Many people link loli and such to actual child pornography. I can see where they're coming from. |
Edward Elric > your waifu |
Dec 8, 2018 9:26 AM
#3
personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! |
Dec 8, 2018 9:27 AM
#4
If you are not exposed to such things in general, this notion can happen where people sexualize certain characters that look 'young' but actually aren't. Could be a reflex towards an increase in pedophilic activity? or could be just their refusal of any sort of subtle references to lolis. Either way, I think that it's fine, since, really, if you actually care about that you pretty much need to review your life and most of all your personality. |
Dec 8, 2018 9:58 AM
#5
deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. |
Dec 8, 2018 10:05 AM
#6
Pxi2 said: deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. lolis is link to pedophilia and most of the world find that illegal anyway furries are link to bestiality? lol so thats another social taboo for now |
Dec 8, 2018 10:16 AM
#7
people couldn't care less about shit like this until its their game/opinion/show being censored/removed. And since noone's gonna publically admit to playing sex games with children in them there's gonna be no public outcry against this. I don't use steam in general but good luck in the future :^). |
Dec 8, 2018 10:16 AM
#8
Personally, I wouldn't play something that as I don't have any interest in it, but like.. at the end of the day it's fictional. None of is it real, so I think anything should be allowed. Just because you want to explore stuff like that in fiction doesn't mean you will IRL. |
Dec 8, 2018 10:31 AM
#9
https://store.steampowered.com/app/714800/Maitetsu/ this some how escaped the purge >_> well as long as they don't take down Newton and the Apple Tree Hoshizora no Memoria -Wish upon a Shooting Star- G-senjou no Maou - The Devil on G-String |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Dec 8, 2018 10:35 AM
#10
SpamuraiSensei said: Personally, I wouldn't play something that as I don't have any interest in it, but like.. at the end of the day it's fictional. None of is it real, so I think anything should be allowed. Just because you want to explore stuff like that in fiction doesn't mean you will IRL. this reasoning is dangerous, people with latent proneness to pedophilia will be triggered by exposing them to what they desire sexually right? ye not all become criminals because of fiction they consume but it will trigger for those who are prone to it |
Dec 8, 2018 10:45 AM
#11
I didn't even know sex games were allowed on Steam. Good for them, I guess. But yeah, if it's just the young looking ones, I don't really see a problem. There is obvious legal basis for doing this to prevent child pornography. |
Dec 8, 2018 10:54 AM
#12
deg said: SpamuraiSensei said: Personally, I wouldn't play something that as I don't have any interest in it, but like.. at the end of the day it's fictional. None of is it real, so I think anything should be allowed. Just because you want to explore stuff like that in fiction doesn't mean you will IRL. this reasoning is dangerous, people with latent proneness to pedophilia will be triggered by exposing them to what they desire sexually right? ye not all become criminals because of fiction they consume but it will trigger for those who are prone to it I read somewhere that most of them never act on their tendencies. I mean, they're around children all the time as it is. It's probably similar to people with OCD. They have thoughts of murdering, harming people and pedo business too, but are highly unlikely to ever do it. I would think that maybe having an outlet for them to engage in fictionally would let them ease some of that burden in a safe environment. But who really knows? It's something that should be studied extensively imo. We shouldn't be policing people on their thoughts, just when they do things physically. |
SpamuraiSenseiDec 8, 2018 10:59 AM
Dec 8, 2018 11:13 AM
#13
SpamuraiSensei said: deg said: SpamuraiSensei said: Personally, I wouldn't play something that as I don't have any interest in it, but like.. at the end of the day it's fictional. None of is it real, so I think anything should be allowed. Just because you want to explore stuff like that in fiction doesn't mean you will IRL. this reasoning is dangerous, people with latent proneness to pedophilia will be triggered by exposing them to what they desire sexually right? ye not all become criminals because of fiction they consume but it will trigger for those who are prone to it I read somewhere that most of them never act on their tendencies. I mean, they're around children all the time as it is. It's probably similar to people with OCD. They have thoughts of murdering, harming people and pedo business too, but are highly unlikely to ever do it. I would think that maybe having an outlet for them to engage in fictionally would let them ease some of that burden in a safe environment. But who really knows? It's something that should be studied extensively imo. We shouldn't be policing people on their thoughts, just when they do things physically. ok that makes sense thought police is shit and i agree with you there that people with OCD for example have immoral thoughts all the time but majority never acted on them |
Dec 8, 2018 11:19 AM
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deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. lolis is link to pedophilia and most of the world find that illegal anyway furries are link to bestiality? lol so thats another social taboo for now And you believe that violent games cause violence? Not that it matters but it really shouldn't matter as far as freedom goes. |
Dec 8, 2018 11:25 AM
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Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. lolis is link to pedophilia and most of the world find that illegal anyway furries are link to bestiality? lol so thats another social taboo for now And you believe that violent games cause violence? Not that it matters but it really shouldn't matter as far as freedom goes. if its proven by science then sure but its not right? you cannot generalize censorship matters like that in every situation though, some censorship is really needed for the sake of children for example |
Dec 8, 2018 11:57 AM
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Dec 8, 2018 12:15 PM
#18
This is setting a precedent of discrimination against people who have grown short, who already have great troubles at finding a significant other and constantly get asked for their ID because they look underage. The fact that the idea of "a young-looking person must young" is being treated as some kind of universal standard is quite worrying and will only encourage future prejudices. |
Dec 8, 2018 12:18 PM
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Grey-Zone said: This is setting a precedent of discrimination against people who have grown short, who already have great troubles at finding a significant other and constantly get asked for their ID because they look underage. The fact that the idea of "a young-looking person must young" is being treated as some kind of universal standard is quite worrying and will only encourage future prejudices. would you rather wait for governments to outright regulate steam though? im sure valve does not want any government regulation upon them so they do not want to take chances |
Dec 8, 2018 12:28 PM
#20
What lolicons need to realise is that loli porn just looks like child porn to the rest of the world. And platforms like Steam probably don't want to be associated with child porn. |
Dec 8, 2018 1:32 PM
#21
deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. lolis is link to pedophilia and most of the world find that illegal anyway furries are link to bestiality? lol so thats another social taboo for now And you believe that violent games cause violence? Not that it matters but it really shouldn't matter as far as freedom goes. if its proven by science then sure but its not right? you cannot generalize censorship matters like that in every situation though, some censorship is really needed for the sake of children for example No? I don't really subscribe to this puritan mindset of censoring everything for the kids. You also have no evidence for your claims. |
Dec 8, 2018 1:39 PM
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Dec 8, 2018 1:43 PM
#23
Not surprised, really. With platforms such as Tumblr basically committing suicide because of their failure to properly control the content uploaded onto their servers, it's only natural for other companies to follow suit. I'm just surprised that Steam didn't do this earlier. Oh well, let's hope they don't remove sex games with young-looking characters (i.e. it's a sex game but you screw legal characters, not the loli). |
Dec 8, 2018 1:43 PM
#24
Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. lolis is link to pedophilia and most of the world find that illegal anyway furries are link to bestiality? lol so thats another social taboo for now And you believe that violent games cause violence? Not that it matters but it really shouldn't matter as far as freedom goes. if its proven by science then sure but its not right? you cannot generalize censorship matters like that in every situation though, some censorship is really needed for the sake of children for example No? I don't really subscribe to this puritan mindset of censoring everything for the kids. You also have no evidence for your claims. so freedom is all or nothing (black and white) to you? |
Dec 8, 2018 7:59 PM
#25
I'm worried for the world. I've seen extreme prudes coming to power in government and corporations. Also may have to do with FOSTA-SESTA NthDegree said: I didn't even know sex games were allowed on Steam. Good for them, I guess. But yeah, if it's just the young looking ones, I don't really see a problem. There is obvious legal basis for doing this to prevent child pornography. It's legal in the US. So no it isn't. Steam is US based isn't it? It's a problem. Businesses are essentially making their own laws. It's not going to stop here. It's spreading and getting more extreme. Everything sexual and all all depictions of nudity could be gone from the world in just a few years. |
traedDec 8, 2018 8:41 PM
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Dec 8, 2018 8:18 PM
#26
i mean, i am already surprised those kind of content survive this long... considering it's illegal in most countries... again, it's not as if steam saying that it's illegal, they just don't want to associate with them.... |
Dec 8, 2018 8:54 PM
#27
I don't understand the point of buying hentai on Steam anyways? Anyhow, I oppose this decision on principle of free speech but it's not a big loss to me. |
Dec 8, 2018 8:56 PM
#28
HeroicIdealism said: I don't understand the point of buying hentai on Steam anyways? Anyhow, I oppose this decision on principle of free speech but it's not a big loss to me. i mean even VN with sex in't arent necessarily hentai . or i guess the correct term would be Nukage (VN made for the purpose of sexual content and not story.) many non hentai anime that are extremely popular came from VN that had sex in it. *cough* fate/stay. *cough* |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Dec 8, 2018 9:00 PM
#29
hazarddex said: HeroicIdealism said: I don't understand the point of buying hentai on Steam anyways? Anyhow, I oppose this decision on principle of free speech but it's not a big loss to me. i mean even VN with sex in't arent necessarily hentai . or i guess the correct term would be Nukage (VN made for the purpose of sexual content and not story.) many non hentai anime that are extremely popular came from VN that had sex in it. *cough* fate/stay. *cough* I understand that not all anime adaptations of VNs are hentai, and I acknowledge that FSN is 95% non-hentai, but it does contain erotic material. |
Dec 8, 2018 9:32 PM
#30
depends on whether they're a legal loli or not but i'm still not going to lie, regardless of the age, loli porn is pretty disturbing and i don't want to see it. same goes for shota porn, keep your nasty ass fetishes away from me. |
Dec 8, 2018 9:40 PM
#31
Lmfao Valve said fuck a check, we not cosigning this If we play the devil's advocate here, child exploitation is essentially just a crime and if we ban it, it's no different than banning heinous crime in other fictional mediums that kids can access. If the point is about encouragement, then games with rape and incest may encourage sexually frustrated individuals to act in the same fashion. There exists a similar relationship between symptoms of psychopathy and homicide, so should we also be wary of that? All in all, this is clearly a business move. It has nothing to do with pedophile being morally worse than other examples. |
VenomousDec 8, 2018 9:46 PM
Dec 9, 2018 12:39 AM
#32
Josh said: @Pxi2 Do you want the government to force a gaming platform to take a laissez faire approach to content management, or do you just wish they embraced your philosophy (even if it hurt their business)? Allowing these corporations free reign is basically allowing California to socially engineer our culture. Valve isn't in California but the point still stands. I can imagine Valve getting pressure from payment platforms and govt's over this. deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: personally im fine with this since i do not find loli characters as sexually appealing most of the time im watching them create more adult and MILF characters please! Dunno if it should be a matter of liking it or not. I don't like furries but I'd be upset if they were targeted by corporations. lolis is link to pedophilia and most of the world find that illegal anyway furries are link to bestiality? lol so thats another social taboo for now And you believe that violent games cause violence? Not that it matters but it really shouldn't matter as far as freedom goes. if its proven by science then sure but its not right? you cannot generalize censorship matters like that in every situation though, some censorship is really needed for the sake of children for example No? I don't really subscribe to this puritan mindset of censoring everything for the kids. You also have no evidence for your claims. so freedom is all or nothing (black and white) to you? Free expression exists so that that offensive things can exist. It really shouldn't be the business of the govt to define ideas or art as harmful. I'd go a step further and say that giant multi-national corporations shouldn't have this power either. |
Dec 9, 2018 12:41 AM
#33
Pxi2 said: Free expression exists so that that offensive things can exist. It really shouldn't be the business of the govt to define ideas or art as harmful. I'd go a step further and say that giant multi-national corporations shouldn't have this power either. except freedom of speech/expression is only invented to remove government intervention in the first place, its not applicable to private entities at all |
Dec 9, 2018 12:48 AM
#34
deg said: Pxi2 said: Free expression exists so that that offensive things can exist. It really shouldn't be the business of the govt to define ideas or art as harmful. I'd go a step further and say that giant multi-national corporations shouldn't have this power either. except freedom of speech/expression is only invented to remove government intervention in the first place, its not applicable to private entities at all It's all up for interpretation based on present day values. The founders of liberalism couldn't have possibly predicted the concept of the surveillance state. Heck, the whole concept of natural rights is based on people belonging to god instead of themselves. That's not really how we view rights today. |
Dec 9, 2018 12:52 AM
#35
Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: Free expression exists so that that offensive things can exist. It really shouldn't be the business of the govt to define ideas or art as harmful. I'd go a step further and say that giant multi-national corporations shouldn't have this power either. except freedom of speech/expression is only invented to remove government intervention in the first place, its not applicable to private entities at all It's all up for interpretation based on present day values. The founders of liberalism couldn't have possibly predicted the concept of the surveillance state. Heck, the whole concept of natural rights is based on people belonging to god instead of themselves. That's not really how we view rights today. the role of the state is to balance out freedom and security, total freedom is shit since it will result in chaos and violence or low lifespan, while total security is shit too since it will lead to oppression, thats why it needs to be balance out |
Dec 9, 2018 7:39 AM
#36
traed said: I'm worried for the world. I've seen extreme prudes coming to power in government and corporations. Also may have to do with FOSTA-SESTA NthDegree said: I didn't even know sex games were allowed on Steam. Good for them, I guess. But yeah, if it's just the young looking ones, I don't really see a problem. There is obvious legal basis for doing this to prevent child pornography. It's legal in the US. So no it isn't. Steam is US based isn't it? It's a problem. Businesses are essentially making their own laws. It's not going to stop here. It's spreading and getting more extreme. Everything sexual and all all depictions of nudity could be gone from the world in just a few years. Steam is major game distributor and available in countries where fictional childporn is illegal, they would lose money if other countries governments would decide to ban it for distributing CP. Add also how many see lolicon=pedophilia no big business would want to taint it's own name with it. This choice however isn't a burden for those who would want their underage anime girls because they can still get it other ways legally and no one is thrown in jail in USA for it. And no eroticism and nudity isn't in danger, that's over dramatic. It's unlikely for every country to ban erotic works, you would still be able to release your work over seas and people can get copy from there. During time when violence and sexuality did get attacked and many countries had long lists of banned movies people still were able to watch them and bootleg copies were distributed. Lastly no one is able to track every sexual media that already exist, even The 120 days of sodomy is viewed as important work historically and culturally and has many prints and ebooks you're unable to track down. |
Dec 9, 2018 7:51 AM
#37
“Having a disclaimer stating that a drawing is of consensual age or not is a ridiculous thing to rely upon,” said one user in a Steam forum thread discussing MaoMao Discovery Team’s legality. “At the end of the day, it is a fictional drawing that does not have an age. If you think they look too young, then they are too young. A bit of text saying ‘this person is 20' changes nothing.” But...this isn't how real life works. If you ID someone for a six-pack of beer at a liquor store and they're 22, but you think they look 16, you can't just refuse them if they're really 22. If you have sex with someone who's 18 and someone else thinks they look 14, you can't go to jail based off someone's perspective that they look underage. |
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Dec 9, 2018 10:26 AM
#38
deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: Free expression exists so that that offensive things can exist. It really shouldn't be the business of the govt to define ideas or art as harmful. I'd go a step further and say that giant multi-national corporations shouldn't have this power either. except freedom of speech/expression is only invented to remove government intervention in the first place, its not applicable to private entities at all It's all up for interpretation based on present day values. The founders of liberalism couldn't have possibly predicted the concept of the surveillance state. Heck, the whole concept of natural rights is based on people belonging to god instead of themselves. That's not really how we view rights today. the role of the state is to balance out freedom and security, total freedom is shit since it will result in chaos and violence or low lifespan, while total security is shit too since it will lead to oppression, thats why it needs to be balance out And the best line is not allowing thought crimes and cliques of people to have control over who has a voice. It's odd left wing people suddenly worship corporations like conservatives do when it comes to censorship of people they disagree with. |
Dec 9, 2018 10:37 AM
#39
Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: deg said: Pxi2 said: Free expression exists so that that offensive things can exist. It really shouldn't be the business of the govt to define ideas or art as harmful. I'd go a step further and say that giant multi-national corporations shouldn't have this power either. except freedom of speech/expression is only invented to remove government intervention in the first place, its not applicable to private entities at all It's all up for interpretation based on present day values. The founders of liberalism couldn't have possibly predicted the concept of the surveillance state. Heck, the whole concept of natural rights is based on people belonging to god instead of themselves. That's not really how we view rights today. the role of the state is to balance out freedom and security, total freedom is shit since it will result in chaos and violence or low lifespan, while total security is shit too since it will lead to oppression, thats why it needs to be balance out And the best line is not allowing thought crimes and cliques of people to have control over who has a voice. It's odd left wing people suddenly worship corporations like conservatives do when it comes to censorship of people they disagree with. not really, freedom is not all or nothing (black and white thinking) left wing people just do not want discrimination or social darwinism that the right wing people wants and besides capitalism is about maximizing profit anyway so the best way to achieve that is globalization for more customers or profit so its understandable why a lot of businesses hate right wing politics especially white supremacists/nationalists |
Dec 9, 2018 11:05 AM
#40
Pxi2 said: I'm finding this trend of corporations becoming moral guardians extremely concerning. These companies are becoming more monopolistic and more Californian as time progresses. lol, do you realize the last Steam ban came from conservatives? This has jack shit to do with California or whatever sjw conspiracy you want to cook up, normies in the west are freaked out my lolis because they are drawing of 10 years of girls. Steam probably doesn't want to be associated with stuff featuring very young characters in compromising position while they try to sell Fortitude or CoD or whatever 12 years old are playing nowadays. It's the same reason while Smash censored Mythra's outfit even in Japan for example, they wanted to sell that stuff to toddlers so they had to comply with ratings to get an E. There is no good solution to this, Steam is a private store and they can sell what they want, unless you are suggesting the government starts regulate Steam. |
Dec 10, 2018 12:14 AM
#41
so, it's all happening because Fosta/Sesta taken effect next month, hence why not only steam, but also tumblr, facebook, even craiglist, because they can punished simply because they will associated with the one posting in their platform... https://www.wired.com/story/tumblrs-porn-ban-reveals-controls-we-see-online/ and somehow still blaming on the "libertards" and "SJW" conspiracy, i see.... |
Dec 10, 2018 12:20 AM
#42
Grey-Zone said: This is setting a precedent of discrimination against people who have grown short, who already have great troubles at finding a significant other and constantly get asked for their ID because they look underage. The fact that the idea of "a young-looking person must young" is being treated as some kind of universal standard is quite worrying and will only encourage future prejudices. how do you go from "loli porn is banned" to "this will further entice discrimination against short/baby face people." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL holy shit man you really want your animated loli-porn, don't you? |
Dec 10, 2018 11:17 AM
#43
Mendelssohn said: Grey-Zone said: This is setting a precedent of discrimination against people who have grown short, who already have great troubles at finding a significant other and constantly get asked for their ID because they look underage. The fact that the idea of "a young-looking person must young" is being treated as some kind of universal standard is quite worrying and will only encourage future prejudices. how do you go from "loli porn is banned" to "this will further entice discrimination against short/baby face people." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL holy shit man you really want your animated loli-porn, don't you? Gosh, I guess I really can't leave out that "/s" at the end after all? Never heard of "shitposts" before? Well, that was basically it! And also welcome to the world wide web, newcomer! |
Dec 10, 2018 11:59 AM
#44
the internet has so many "freedom of speech" snowflakes a platform doesn't have to upload your questionable content if they think it damages their image & moral compass that they want to present to the public but of course people will keep thinking they are being oppressed bc entitlement? ignorance? who even buys tacky ero games from steam anyways i wouldn't pay a dime for any of those. just download some illegally also to all those people that think anyone in real life won't think you are some sexual predator for jacking off to cartoon characters that look like minors just bc iT iS fIcTiOnAl, you probably have autism |
zzzeallyDec 10, 2018 12:06 PM
Dec 10, 2018 7:59 PM
#45
Dec 11, 2018 3:32 AM
#46
deg said: SpamuraiSensei said: Personally, I wouldn't play something that as I don't have any interest in it, but like.. at the end of the day it's fictional. None of is it real, so I think anything should be allowed. Just because you want to explore stuff like that in fiction doesn't mean you will IRL. this reasoning is dangerous, people with latent proneness to pedophilia will be triggered by exposing them to what they desire sexually right? ye not all become criminals because of fiction they consume but it will trigger for those who are prone to it Not necessarily. There is a fairly large amount of evidence that as that type of porn was legalized in a number of countries, child abuse went *down* in those nations afterwards. Similarly, for porn in general, there's a consistent negative correlation between free porn availability and sexual assault. e.g. "more porn = less rape". The people saying to stop porn (in general) to stop rape are just talking out their asses because they are anti-porn / anti-sex feminists along with conservative christians, and they don't actually have any statistical data to back up that it would be a good idea. Maybe some people will be "triggered" by the availability of porn and become rapists. Maybe some other people will use porn as a substitute for going out raping people. However, the vast body of evidence is that porn reduces sex crimes more than it increases them. There are some lab studies suggesting porn makes people more "sexually aggressive". However, there's one big fatal flaw in these studies: in the studies, they make people watch porn in a lab, without allowing them to fap. Basically, they "blue balls" the participants, then question them, finding that they've become more willing to consider jumping the next woman who walks through the door. Therefore, the researchers conclude that porn makes men more likely to assault women. This is just bullshit, for obvious reasons. How many guys watch porn, don't fap, then go and assault a woman to finish? It just doesn't work like that. So sure, we should stop anyone making or seeing real child porn, because there are real victims. However, stopping people from seeing it still comes with trade-offs. We saved some victims, the children in the film, but we potentially exposed other children to a higher level of risk (a large number of horny pedos who's access to porn has bee eliminated). It's a grey area, since we want to stop them, but our actions potentially put other children in harm's way where we can't protect them. However, stopping *fictional* child porn is more clear cut. Fictional porn has fictional victims, i.e. no actual victims. If that fictional porn also has the aspect of reducing sex crimes (acting as a substitute in the same was as real porn), then banning fictional child porn is just a BAD IDEA, because you're 'saving' fictional children at the expense of putting real children at greater risk. According to the statistics. |
cipheronDec 11, 2018 4:04 AM
Dec 11, 2018 7:02 AM
#47
Oh well. I don't know what the appeal for these type of games are anyway. |
Dec 11, 2018 8:08 AM
#48
Never really saw the appeal of eroges in general, much less ones with underage looking characters. Good riddance, I say. |
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Dec 11, 2018 9:57 AM
#49
Now Sony and Tumblr censors everything and now Steam, this year of 2018 is getting messed up all the time to the newer generations who wants porn and others. :( |
Dec 11, 2018 10:25 AM
#50
It seems the proclivity of the corporations to ban sexual content has been going strong lately. It's like Puritanism but not rooted in any religious philosophy. It's interesting. Well, I'm not really bothered by this. Valve is a private company and this is their policy. Not like I cared about this games in the first place so yeah whatever. |
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