Calling women "honey" and "sweetheart" is now harassment

Elegade said:
Let's be real here, the bitches that wanted to make this shit illegal are probably not getting any compliments like "sweetheart" and "honey" in the first place, they most common greeting for them is probably "fat," "whale," and "ugly."

The complaint cited accusations that Gonsalves took issue with the female congressional staffer’s youth, and that the general said she should take detailed notes on why the military needed funding “since she was a Democrat and did not believe in funding the military,” the IG report stated.

Multiple members of the congressional delegation described Gonsalves’ remarks during the meeting as “sarcastic and unprofessional,” the report states. Another male staffer described the remarks as “sexist, inappropriate and unprofessional,” according to the report.

At one point during the meeting, the female staffer passed a note to a colleague that read: “Did this guy really just call me sweetheart?,” the report states.

Accounts of the meeting differed, however. Some people in attendance defended Gonsalves, saying he acted professionally, though their names and positions were redacted from the report.

The IG report cites another allegation that Gonsalves asked the staffer her age. When she responded, Gonsalves spoke about his time as a young Army officer serving along the Fulda Gap during the Cold War. Gonsalves is then accused of telling the staffer to take notes so her “Democratic boss” would understand the military’s needs, according to the report.

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GamerDLM said:
TMW you live in the northeast part of the US so this is a non-issue because nobody uses those terms to talk to people since we don't live in a 1960s sitcom.

Seiya said:


Do you accompany your Grandparents to the supermarket?

Just because people your age don't use those terms, doesn't mean that old people don't.

GamerDLM said:
TMW you live in the northeast part of the US so this is a non-issue because nobody uses those terms to talk to people since we don't live in a 1960s sitcom.

Klad said:
I dont want to live in this planet. NASA weeaboo astronauts should see this post and recruit me

Soverign said:


I just don't want to live on this planet. When we are finally able to escape this planet, we should certainly nuke it from orbit to make sure it doesn't spread. It is the only way to be sure.



Also, I regularly get called sugar by women. ;_;

Seiya said:


Are these women named "Mouse" by any chance?

MortalMelancholy said:
.... I just don't see it. Sure, you can use it condescendingly, but that's just being rude, it's not sexism.

MortalMelancholy said:
.... I just don't see it. Sure, you can use it condescendingly, but that's just being rude, it's not sexism.

Zakuro-Hime said:

The #metoo movement is pretty important. Not just for women but for men as well. For a long time people have turned a blind eye to rape and sexual harassment and for a long time people were scared to come forward with their stories. It's important to know how big this problem is so we can do better to try and solve it. This movement is also important for male victims because male victims still have a very hard time with getting anyone to believe what happened to them. I understand that some men are worried that this makes all men look bad. Maybe it's just me but I don't think this makes all men look bad. Just because most rapists are men(as far as we know but due to male victims having a problem with making their case believable there's a chance the real statistic is 50/50 or closer to that. But who knows?) doesn't mean most men are rapists. I think most women know this. Yeah, man-haters might take the #metoo thing and run with it as "proof" that all men are evil but who actually listens to man-haters other than other man-haters?

Soverign said:


But men are all evil. You should definitely stay away from us. Especially if you are a white woman. You should build a completely separate society from men. Especially white men. We are just dragging you down and holding you back. We will be sad, but we understand that you must leave to make us better people. Look, don't feel bad for doing what you need to do alright? That isn't me doing a cartwheel of joy, that was a cartwheel of sadness! Also, we are all raging homosexuals, all of us. Anybody who says otherwise is just in denial, don't believe him. Stay away!

Saucy said:
Whoa whoa whoa. Calm down.

This is just an extension of anti sexual harassment movements. None of this is new. People are just bringing more attention to other forms of harassment that women experience in the workplace. That doesn't mean that being called "sweetheart" in a normal flow of conversation means that it's harassment.

If you notice, these incidents are accompanied by other condescending and disrespectful behaviors. There are clearly instances where someone is being rude, unprofessional, and disrespectful. I doubt that any reasonable woman would be offended if someone casually or endearingly calls her "sweetheart" or "darling" when they're being pleasant to her.

In UK, it's pretty common to tag "love" when talking to women. The problem, in most Western countries, is when people do it condescendingly or disrespectfully. It's not much different from if you're male, a woman calling you "boy" as she condescends you. I hardly think most men would find that "endearing."

Context is the big player here. You cannot just say that women can't call you "hun" no matter what if they want to complain about being called "sweetheart." If the tone is endearing or casual, it's fine. In a public setting between strangers, it's bound to be misinterpreted by some, in which case you should maybe reserve it for people you know well or if they ask you to stop, actually stop. I'm sure there are overly sensitive people out there who will get outraged at being called "sweetheart" in any context by anyone, but it's important to be reasonable. If the person isn't being disrespectful, maybe lay off the outrage.

This is a real problem that many women face in the workplace and it spans months if not years. I don't see why it's a problem to call attention to it, especially when people actually ARE being disrespectful and condescending in these cases.

Zakuro-Hime said:
LOLOLOLOL! Best response I've seen/heard when discussing this kind of topic.

Soverign said:


YOU AREN'T TAKING ME SERIOUSLY!!! DO NOT YOU DARE MARGINALIZE MY NOBLE ACT OF SACRIFICE TO PROTECT A ANGEL SUCH AS YOURSELF FROM A DEVIL LIKE MYSELF!!!! YOU WILL REGRET IT!!!

Zakuro-Hime said:
I am certainly not an angel. I may have the aura, good looks and charm(lolno) of one but appearances can be deceiving.

LoneWolf said:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/01/army-generals-promotion-pulled-after-calling-congressional-staffer-sweetheart/?utm_source=dvf&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5228379/Anger-Virgin-Trains-sexist-response-complaint.html

Why am I not surprised. I keep saying the laws are getting worse. The goal posts are being moved. They will never be happy until its illegal to even look at a woman the wrong way, let alone talk to her. This #Metoo shit has made the situation even worse for men as it is now trickling down into the workplace. Honestly the hypocrisy is disgusting here. I have no idea how many female co-workers or random waitresses or female cashiers have called me honey, sweetheart or darling. These bitches are just hateful thots and looking for even the most minor of excuses to bring down men. Of course this is only men they don't like or they feel are beneath them. If fucking Chris Hemsworth called them honey or sweetheart they would have no problem, but because its a regular joe not worthy of m'lady they get fucked.