| I recently watched the Mother's Basement video were he spouts the word "stealing" every five seconds. Anime piracy is NOT stealing: "steal VERB Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. 1.1 Dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.’" First things first: The concept of private property is based on a simple thing, that if i have an apple, you can't have the same apple at the same time. With anime, however, such thing doesn't happen. By a pirate website having anime in their catalog, other catalogs from other websites can still have the same anime at the same time. Since no one lost anything, it can't be stealing, as for the second definition: Well, pirate sites never actually say the work is theirs, and the names of the people who created it are all over it's OP's and ED's. You can support it or disagree with it, it's your opinion, but please, PLEASE, don't use this word. |
| Ohh well, if you look at it in a different perspective, it is stealing. thewiru said: You can support it or disagree with it, it's your opinion, but please, PLEASE, don't use this word. Ohh well, I think they like how it sounded when people say that to those who pirate anime. |
| It is illegal in the U.S and most developed countries but the form of "stealing" that people do for Anime has its reasons and it's not too serious tbh, if you're watching Anime on sites like KissAnime 9Anime Gogoanime just use the correct tools to block the ads or kill the ad block blockers that some of these sites have so you won't have to worry about malware and the sites getting paid through these ads. If you're using torrent sites to download Anime do the same thing but use the correct method to download them to avoid getting virus or getting caught by the man since it is illegal but heck, some of these Anime I have to download through these methods aren't available on legal sites so eh you gotta do what you gotta do (man we had so many forums discussing this, it will never end until the legal sites like Crunchyroll, Animestrike! and Netflix offer a better service eh? But tbh I want my money to go straight to the studios, if I can help ensure a second season of Made In Abyss will be green-lit, I'll pay as much as I need to lol) *btw, Mother's Basement is just a self-righteous Canadian sucking that Crunchyroll D, I'm glad that he at least acknowledges that people do pirating/illegal streaming when they have no choice, oh and how hilarious that Misty is Canadian too and made a video about KissAnime too, I'm disappointed in my fellow country men for not putting their foot down like Digibro, I think he sucks too but at least he doesn't suck Crunchyroll's D and says what needs to be said |
Aidoru-OjisanAug 26, 2017 2:19 PM
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| Don't start another flamewar. We all know Mother's Basement is a neckbeard shill. Don't take youtards seriously. |
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| I hope you feel better while thinking like that OP. |
| The only reason any studio is against piracy is because it affects their sales. I do it because I couldn't afford to buy it otherwise, so if the pirated version didn't exist I wouldn't be buying it anyway, so technically I'm not really affecting their sales. I also dislike streaming, so I don't use ad-supported streaming sites like Crunchyroll. I'm not necessarily against ads, though, I just dislike the limited number of options most web-based video players have and would rather use my own media player. If there was an ad-supported service that could stream anime to MPC-HC, I would gladly sign up. |
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| eh consuming or taking something you aren't supposed to have is stealing though |
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| Jesus lord in heaven... Stop it, every time some shity youtuber maka a video, every god damn time there is a thread about it. |
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| Stealing is what pirates do, is it not? |
| Stealing is stealing, there is no justification for piracy. Those anime producers work hard to produce one episode(check out Shirobako) and you just go to these illegal websites and take them without sweat, then have the balls to criticize your ass off an anime. |
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lihle808 said: Those anime producers work hard to produce one episode(check out Shirobako) and you just go to these illegal websites and take them without sweat Damn, those poor producers..im sure its fault of those gaijin pirates who are responsible for all their hardship. Pyxus said: Stealing is what pirates do, is it not? They're just taking what isn't nailed to the ground. |
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| All we should have learned from that video is that everyone that has to pirate shouldn't support such big pirate sites but pirate it for themselves instead (which is as illegal as watching those sites in some countries so it doesn't even make a difference, the only difference is that at least not some random guy who doesn't even produces the Anime does not get rich by hosting a site with all of them). |
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Deknijff said: eh consuming or taking something you aren't supposed to have is stealing though "Consuming": Consume: To use up a resource You don't "use" an anime if you watch it, nor does the act of you watching it influences in the act of other people watching it. If you consume an apple, there's no more apple after you did that. This is not applied to anime. Same goes for taking. If i take a photo of a key and make a copy of that key, did i take/stole the original key? lihle808 said: Stealing is stealing, there is no justification for piracy. Those anime producers work hard to produce one episode(check out Shirobako) and you just go to these illegal websites and take them without sweat, then have the balls to criticize your ass off an anime. ...not First of all, i proved that watching pirated anime isn't stealing. And also, by watching via Crunchyroll or something like that you don't actually pay who produced such anime: They've already been paid, i made a thread about that: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1649616 Again, you can't say illegal websites "take them" if they are still there, unharmed in the same place they were supposedly "taken". And criticizng a certain anime has absolutelly NOTHING to do with paying for it or not. |
| All they have to do is take a share of those famous "illegal" streaming websites income I don't know maybe 5% or 10% from each website will be a good start . This way everyone will be happy . I don't think that streaming websites will get angry of a win-win deal like this one . |
thewiru said: You made a copy of that key yes. Its not stealing there but still is illegal and can be used for stealing. Deknijff said: "Consuming": eh consuming or taking something you aren't supposed to have is stealing though Consume: To use up a resource You don't "use" an anime if you watch it, nor does the act of you watching it influences in the act of other people watching it. If you consume an apple, there's no more apple after you did that. This is not applied to anime. Same goes for taking. If i take a photo of a key and make a copy of that key, did i take/stole the original key? Consume can also mean to absorb. You absorb content when watching a show as you absorb information visually at anytime you look at something with your eyes. You aren't allowed to watch a show you don't own so you are stealing by consuming a product you aren't supposed to watch |
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| it's a recorded or burned copy of the show how is the animation studio/producer, etc. supposed to make money off of that not saying I don't stream as well but still |
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Deknijff said: You made a copy of that key yes. Its not stealing there but still is illegal and can be used for stealing. Consume can also mean to absorb. You absorb content when watching a show as you absorb information visually at anytime you look at something with your eyes. You aren't allowed to watch a show you don't own so you are stealing by consuming a product you aren't supposed to watch "You made a copy of that key yes. Its not stealing" If it is not stealing, then it is not stealing, no "buts". " but still is illegal " Arson is also illegal, and it is not stealing. "can be used for stealing" And bricks can be used to hurt people, irrelevant. About the "absorb" part: This is only valid to phisical stuff, if i watch (Therefore, "absorb") an anime, it doesn't change it. Let's say one person pays for Netflix: If two, or three, or 10 people watch someting on is account at the same time, does it matter? Does it change anything? No, therefore, your explanation is invalid because you consider "Getting an abstract concept without taking it from anyone" as stealing. Things HAVE to have objective meanings, or else you get lawyers getting criminals out of prison because they made an weird interpretation that "a certain crime is not actually a crime". |
| I don't know who this youtuber is and i truly don't care. Abolish private property! (lol) I pretty much agree with you 100%. Also, people say that with people not-paying for the product (in this case anime) all the production chain doesn't benefit and i have to say this is "true" to a certain extent. What i mean by this is that even if people uses pages such as kissanime or 9anime, the fact that the product gains more popularity because is available for a wider audience ends up being a winning situation for them. If something is more popular and it's hot on the net they're one way or another profiting; not only for free publicity but also for extending exponentially it's possible future commercial market. Besides, it's a fact that not everyone can afford or even has legal streaming services in their languages or area. Oh, and let's not forget that to the salary man- that is, the plain ordinary exploited worker of the anime industry, it won't change a damn thing. Even if something sells billions of yens/dollars/whatever he's still going to continue being the plain ordinary exploited worker. And i guess for manga creators/artists it's the same. If they don't get payed well it's not bc of kissanime or 9anime's existence. Even without this sites it's not like the Big fishes aren't always get their share, their BIG share. Anyways, this is just my opinion :3 |
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| Well first off, it is stealing. Did I create the content? No. Did I watch said show in Japan with a cable provider? No. Did I pay the creators at all for said content using a different platform? No. If it wasn't stealing there wouldn't be such services offering for you to pay and watch anime. There's a reason why it's called "illegal streaming". Now I pay for CR but that doesn't mean I don't steal as I do illegally watch shows that CR does not pick up. Whether this is a shitpost or not, sorry to burst your bubble OP but your definition of stealing is clearly wrong. |
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| Its not irrelevant since its a comparison. You are copying a product so people can steal it. You aren't stealing the physical copy but you are stealing by watching an exact copy of it which isn't supposed to exist or that you aren't supposed to have access to at least for free. thewiru said: Changing isn't important here as you can't actually change a non physical item by watching it either way. You can steal an idea from someone without changing the idea after all. So it doesn't only apply to physical things.About the "absorb" part: This is only valid to physical stuff, if i watch (Therefore, "absorb") an anime, it doesn't change it. thewiru said: Thats called sharing property or lending. I let my friend borrow my Shiki DVD which I payed for so he isn't stealing like he had planned to do before I suggested him borrowing the DVD when he wanted to watch the show without paying for it Let's say one person pays for Netflix: If two, or three, or 10 people watch something on his account at the same time, does it matter? |
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| @Deknijff "Its not irrelevant since its a comparison. You are copying a product so people can steal it. You aren't stealing the physical copy but you are stealing by watching an exact copy of it which isn't supposed to exist or that you aren't supposed to have access to at least for free." Which, by definition, IS NOT STEALING. Also, why would you copy something so people can steal that? " You aren't stealing the physical copy but you are stealing " You know, one of the fundamental rules of logic is that "X cannot be not-X" If you're not stealing, then you are not stealing, period. "You can steal an idea from someone without changing the idea after all. So it doesn't only apply to physical things." If you "steal" an idea, does the "original thinker" lose the same idea? If not, then it isn't stealing. "Thats called sharing property or lending. I let my friend borrow my Shiki DVD which I payed for so he isn't stealing like he had planned to do before I suggested him borrowing the DVD when he wanted to watch the show without paying for it" So why can't we say that someone who owns a pirate site isn't only lending to milions of people? |
| This guy is trying to play with semantics poorly. You're stealing my dood. But we all do so it's okay |
| i literally stole the master tapes for doraemon 1973 now no one can watch it (devilish) |
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code said: This guy is trying to play with semantics poorly. You're stealing my dood. But we all do so it's okay Using right definitions turned into "playing with semantics". What has MAL become... "Whether this is a shitpost or not, sorry to burst your bubble OP but your definition of stealing is clearly wrong." Now using the right definition of something is wrong... Stealing is stealing, and it has a definition, you can't just say "It is something i don't like, therefore it is stealing" By doing so you're not that different than people who just call anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi or that changes the definition of racist so he can say that "whites can't suffer racism". |
thewiru said: I recently watched the Mother's Basement video Ok, I'ma stop you right there. #1 This isn't YouTube, so why are you making a YouTube discussion thread here? Grow a pair, and make this reply AT THE SOURCE. Jeesh, what are you, in Elementary School? Gonna run over to the other side of the playground and talk smack about what someone else said/did to a bunch of people that don't give a damn? thewiru said: Anime piracy is NOT stealing: "steal VERB Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. 1.1 Dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.’" First things first: The concept of private property is based on a simple thing, that if i have an apple, you can't have the same apple at the same time. #2 Actually, it IS stealing. Theft is not limited to just the acquisition of someone else's physical property without payment or consent, believe it or not, it also includes intellectual and digital property. #3 You conveniently omitted another variation of the word 'Consume' so that it wouldn't prove you wrong. : to utilize as a customer: consume goods and services Unless the studio/production committee made it available globally for free streaming/download, you watched/downloaded it illegally, and that is stealing. Watching a show on TV is legal, it was paid for by the broadcasting company, and they had permission to broadcast it. |
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romagia said: You did the world a favor.i literally stole the master tapes for doraemon 1973 now no one can watch it (devilish) @thewiru I mean you're taking the definition too literally. Which is being anal about wording. Which is the same as saying that you're focusing too much on semantics and not what is actually said. |
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| "#1 This isn't YouTube, so why are you making a YouTube discussion thread here? Grow a pair, and make this reply AT THE SOURCE. Jeesh, what are you, in Elementary School? Gonna run over to the other side of the playground and talk smack about what someone else said/did to a bunch of people that don't give a damn?" I mean, in theory my free will gives me the righ to do such things without having t please no one. Of course, it doesn't MEAN i will do it, but it means that i can. In that case, i wanted to post it on MAL because why not? It is not like, many threads like this one weren't posted before without complaints. "#2 Actually, it IS stealing. Theft is not limited to just the acquisition of someone else's physical property without payment or consent, believe it or not, it also includes intellectual and digital property." I honestly don't see how streaming something can be counted as "stealing" digital property. "#3 You conveniently omitted another variation of the word 'Consume' so that it wouldn't prove you wrong. : to utilize as a customer: consume goods and services" Irrelevant, that definition doesn't prove my point wrong or right. "Unless the studio/production committee made it available globally for free streaming/download, you watched/downloaded it illegally, and that is stealing." ...that's not how stealing works. code said: romagia said: You did the world a favor.i literally stole the master tapes for doraemon 1973 now no one can watch it (devilish) @thewiru I mean you're taking the definition too literally. Which is being anal about wording. Which is the same as saying that you're focusing too much on semantics and not what is actually said. I mean, this whole thread was about semantics in the first place. |
thewiru said: Why would someone copy the recipe of Coca Cola to then give it away to lots of people?Also, why would you copy something so people can steal that? Because its in demand put people would rather drink it for a cheaper price or even for free in this case You know, one of the fundamental rules of logic is that "X cannot be not-X" you don't seem to understand there is different types of stealingIf you "steal" an idea, does the "original thinker" lose the same idea? I love your logic of trying to put a physical label to something which isn't physical no he doesn't lose the idea. But he can lose credit like for example the guy who stole the idea gets all the glory in the end. Now of course that isn't so important. Someone can steal an idea and get no where after all So why can't we say that someone who owns a pirate site isn't only lending to milions of people? well thats because he is probably trying to make a profit off of adds by supplying something he didn't pay for and giving it to people who don't want to pay either or are you going to sit here and tell me the owners of Kiss Anime payed for every single title they have on their site here? |
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| "Why would someone copy the recipe of Coca Cola to then give it lots of people? Because its in demand put people would rather drink it for a cheaper price or even for free in this case" Therefore, Pepsi is stealing to this day? And i don't see this as a bad thing, i mean, population will receive a cheaper product with the same quality. "you don't seem to understand there is different types of stealing" In order to be a different type of stealing it must, in the first place, classify itself as stealing, which isn't the case. "I love your logic of trying to put a physical label to something which isn't physical no he doesn't lose the idea. But he can lose credit like for example the guy who stole the idea gets all the glory in the end. Now of course that isn't so important. Someone can steal an idea and get no where after all" It can't "steal" credit because the "original thinker" never published it, thus, never gained credit from it. "well thats because he is probably trying to make a profit off of adds by supplying something he didn't pay for and giving it to people who don't want to pay either " So if i make a "MOVIE NIGHT" in my home using my netflix account and put the price of one buck in order to participate in it, am i stealing? "or are you going to sit here and tell me the owners of Kiss Anime payed for every single title they have on their site here?" In theory, if they're ripping from CR, Netflix, etc and atleast one of them has an account in one of those sites, then, in theory, yes. |
Shoegum said: Stop making topics without questions in the title. Don't put forward your contention as fact and then expect people to have a discussion without getting riled up. We all have blogs which we can use to post our didactic messages to the community, and I assure you, no-one will read them. Of the 5 "Popular New Topics", two of them don't have questions in the title, so i don't see it as a problem. I didn't "put foward as a fact", i proved it. And if no-one will read them, then it is just one more reason to make a thread about it instead, lol. |
thewiru said: I honestly don't see how streaming something can be counted as "stealing" digital property. You know that progress bar along the bottom of the video window while you stream something... there's 2 parts. The indicator of how far you've watched, and running ahead of that is how far it has loaded. That "loaded" part is a temporary file on your device. You have stolen a copy of someone else's digital property. The property owner did not give you permission to have that copy even if it is just temporary. thewiru said: Older_than_dirt said: "#3 You conveniently omitted another variation of the word 'Consume' so that it wouldn't prove you wrong. : to utilize as a customer: consume goods and services" Irrelevant, that definition doesn't prove my point wrong or right. Totally relevant. You viewed (consumed) something you were not authorized for. thewiru said: Older_than_dirt said: "Unless the studio/production committee made it available globally for free streaming/download, you watched/downloaded it illegally, and that is stealing." ...that's not how stealing works. That's EXACTLY how stealing works when it comes to the internet, and digital property such as an episode of anime. Again, stealing is no longer a term used just for taking physical property, it also applies to having possession of illegal copies of digital and printed works. Possession/consumption without permission.... that is stealing, and it's what nearly everyone else replying to this thread is telling you. |
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thewiru said: You telling me Pepsi stole the recipe from Coca Cola without my knowledge?"Why would someone copy the recipe of Coca Cola to then give it lots of people? Because its in demand put people would rather drink it for a cheaper price or even for free in this case" Therefore, Pepsi is stealing to this day? thewiru said: I don't care if you think its good or bad. I don't care if its good or bad right now even. Im just saying you're wrong. Its stealing regardless if you think its bad or good. Incest is incest regardless of your moral stance on it And i don't see this as a bad thing, i mean, population will receive a cheaper product with the same quality. thewiru said: but it is. You just don't seem to be able to comprehend that fact. The people making the original product even consider it stealing of their property "you don't seem to understand there is different types of stealing" In order to be a different type of stealing it must, in the first place, classify itself as stealing, which isn't the case. thewiru said: I love how you are so desperate to say you aren't stealing by saying no one gets credit so its not stealing when in the quote I said credit doesn't really matter but was more so an example of loss which you seem to care for as the only definition and not the full definition "I love your logic of trying to put a physical label to something which isn't physical no he doesn't lose the idea. But he can lose credit like for example the guy who stole the idea gets all the glory in the end. Now of course that isn't so important. Someone can steal an idea and get no where after all" It can't "steal" credit because the "original thinker" never published it, thus, never gained credit from it. thewiru said: hmmm So if i make a "MOVIE NIGHT" in my home using my netflix account and put the price of one buck in order to participate in it, am i stealing? Well you are yourself paying for the product but I think that would count as illegal distribution. I might have the wrong word but its a form of making a profit off something you aren't supposed to make money off. Like building a movie theatre and then showing movies you don't have consent to do thewiru said: In theory they could just be hacking into the site for all I know In theory, if they're ripping from CR, Netflix, etc and atleast one of them has an account in one of those sites, then, in theory, yes. but yes lets say they do indeed have accounts for those websites and ignore there are shows on Kissanime which you can't legally watch so its the only option Those shows are supposed to be watched on those websites. They are copying the product without consent or in other words stealing. To then upload it onto their own site for people to watch for free which they aren't supposed to be able to do |
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| "Illegal streaming" isn't illegal in my country. And I wouldn't watch anime anyway if there weren't pirating websites, so I'm not really hurting the industry. Not to mention CR has region locked everything and Daisuki is shutting down. But I will support the creators when I'm able to do so. |
Hex-OneAug 26, 2017 5:34 PM
| "You telling me Pepsi stole the recipe from Coca Cola without my knowledge?" It can be McDonalds and Burger King, my point stays the same. "I don't care if you think its good or bad. I don't care if its good or bad right now even. Im just saying you're wrong. Its stealing regardless if you think its bad or good. Incest is incest regardless of your moral stance on it" The problem is that it is not stealing. "but it is. You just don't seem to be able to comprehend that fact. The people making the original product even consider it stealing of their property " Just because something is a crime doesn't mean it is stealing. "I love how you are so desperate to say you aren't stealing by saying no one gets credit so its not stealing when in the quote I said credit doesn't really matter but was more so an example of loss which you seem to care for as the only definition and not the full definition" How can you steal something from one who never had that something? That's why "stealing credit" makes no sense "hmmm Well you are yourself paying for the product but I think that would count as illegal distribution. I might have the wrong word but its a form of making a profit off something you aren't supposed to make money off. Like building a movie theatre and then showing movies you don't have consent to do" Therefore, pirate anime sites are illegal distribution, bot not stealing. "In theory they could just be hacking into the site for all I know but yes lets say they do indeed have accounts for those websites and ignore there are shows on Kissanime which you can't legally watch so its the only option Those shows are supposed to be watched on their website. They are copying the product without consent or in other words stealing. To then upload it onto their own site for people to watch for free which they aren't supposed to be able to do" You cant say "in other words, stealing", that's not the definition of stealing. |
Hex-One said: Piracy isn't illegal in my country. And I wouldn't watch anime anyway if there weren't pirating websites, so I'm not really hurting the industry. Not to mention CR has region locked everything and Daisuki is shutting down. Oh, where do you come from? Because I heard some countries that aren't too strict on piracy laws only consider it a crime once you make copies and share the "stolen product" is this true in your country? |
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| Well,.Piracy is kinda stealing in a way and we're accomplices in it cuz we feed the demand |
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Aidoru-Ojisan said: Oh, where do you come from? Because I heard some countries that aren't too strict on piracy laws only consider it a crime once you make copies and share the "stolen product" is this true in your country? I actually made a mistake with my comment above. Sorry about that. I meant to say 'illegal streaming' is not illegal in our country. Piracy is broader subject. |
Hex-OneAug 26, 2017 5:36 PM
Hex-One said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: Oh, where do you come from? Because I heard some countries that aren't too strict on piracy laws only consider it a crime once you make copies and share the "stolen product" is this true in your country? I actually made a mistake with my comment above. Sorry about that. I meant to say 'illegal streaming' is not illegal in our country. Oh, oh cool well I'm not too sure on illegal streaming but torrenting and stuff, yeah that I know for sure is illegal but eh, thanks for the clarification |
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thewiru said: ur right though its not STEALING."You can steal an idea from someone without changing the idea after all. So it doesn't only apply to physical things." If you "steal" an idea, does the "original thinker" lose the same idea? If not, then it isn't stealing. but there has to be a word for it....... lets say you have a great HXH tier idea and made a rough draft for it and were going to present it in a week to some shitty anime studio like toei dbs s1. and you forgot your bag in the bus. I picked up your bag, and thought to return it, so looked inside and read you script. and then two days later gave you your bag and its content back. later that day, I also met with some drinking buddies from madhouse and got them to sign of on an original anime. Your Idea, my name. and since you didnt copyright it already, I did. so legally its my idea. and I make money off of it. while its already announced and when you go to meet them and present "your idea"; toei kicks you out bcz you just presented them with an idea madhouse launched yesterday. it is you financial loss. you did come up with the idea. what would you call what I did? |
| Piracy is not stealing anime, it is stealing the benefits that are obtained from these. And anime is not a solid object, it is an abstract object like ideas, so a lot of people can steal and have them at the same time. |
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bbBM said: Oh boy it's a stupid argument from 20 years ago about why piracy is OK. It didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now. I'm going to put this in short form because this same discussion has gone down a million times and it's always the same. OP, if you want a more in-depth look at why you're wrong, just Google "piracy isn't stealing" and you'll find the exact same shit. If you have any interest in more good media being made, you should vote with your wallet and buy shit you're interested in, otherwise studios won't be able to afford to make more. I searched for it and ended up with the opposite conclusion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4 About your last paragraph, Digibro made a video showing that paying CR doesn't do much either. I may still pay for crunchyroll someday, but i myself already proved that subscribing to CR doesn't change the money the people that made that anime already received. |
| So would you like to coin a new term for it then? How is taking money from proper licencors and publishers not theft? It is stealing, but you're not stealing the work itself, you are practically taking away a source of potential revenue for the studio whenever you pirate. Lets even take this further and use Youtube as an example, I make a boss ass video that I am really proud of, I got 10k views on it, the next day a Youtube channel with millions of subscribers downloaded my video and posted it on their channel and it got a million views. Now how is that not stealing? Now you're wondering that's not the same cause blah blah blah, but all media except royalty free stuff are protected under the Digitial Millennium Copyright Act. |
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thewiru said: Deknijff said: eh consuming or taking something you aren't supposed to have is stealing though "Consuming": Consume: To use up a resource You don't "use" an anime if you watch it, nor does the act of you watching it influences in the act of other people watching it. If you consume an apple, there's no more apple after you did that. This is not applied to anime. Same goes for taking. If i take a photo of a key and make a copy of that key, did i take/stole the original key? lihle808 said: Stealing is stealing, there is no justification for piracy. Those anime producers work hard to produce one episode(check out Shirobako) and you just go to these illegal websites and take them without sweat, then have the balls to criticize your ass off an anime. ...not First of all, i proved that watching pirated anime isn't stealing. And also, by watching via Crunchyroll or something like that you don't actually pay who produced such anime: They've already been paid, i made a thread about that: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1649616 Again, you can't say illegal websites "take them" if they are still there, unharmed in the same place they were supposedly "taken". And criticizng a certain anime has absolutelly NOTHING to do with paying for it or not. Consuming anime is actually watching it. And for the key thing, you do not steal the original, but you have something that it's suppose that you must not have. |
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