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Apr 9, 2017 3:46 AM
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Im really sick and tired of getting 5-10% of the story animated, and then the rest is like "Hey I know you liked the anime but theres this manga/LN that I think you should check out."
No. Stop this shit. Its beyond irritating.
I can get behind the "not enough source" thing. Thats fine. But if it has plenty, did well in sales, and still nothing? No, fuck off then.
Seems like mostly shounen are immune to this of trend, and to that I say "how about we get something else as well?"
Now you're probably like "b-b-but this anime just got a second season. You're wrong." - But it probably wont get further than the second season. Hardly any anime go beyond 2nd season, and this is why im incredibly pissed at this half assed medium.
Maybe I can see the situation improve after 10 years, but not now.
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as long as it still workig (which does still), i doubt it will stop anytime soon...
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Apr 9, 2017 4:00 AM
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When will weebs stop being so obsessed with manga and start watching the real treasure of anime, anime originals?
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Apr 9, 2017 4:00 AM
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When will people stop thinking that animation studios are obligated to deliver a sequel?
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Apr 9, 2017 4:06 AM
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i can only hope that this is thinly veiled bait
but yeh obvious solution ~ watch more originals and fully expect this to happen otherwise
and if the continuation is so important to ye read the gosh darned mango

When will anime stop being a fancy promo to the source material?
never
it was like this 10 years ago too and it wont change 10 in the future either
Apr 9, 2017 4:10 AM
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Clebardman said:
When will weebs stop being so obsessed with manga and start watching the real treasure of anime, anime originals?

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately

sakamoto-kun said:
When will people stop thinking that animation studios aren't obligated to deliver a sequel?
Then they shouldnt even bother with making that anime in the first place.
Apr 9, 2017 4:12 AM
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When they will change the current system of financing that revolves around the production committees.
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Apr 9, 2017 4:13 AM
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The @Robiiii shitposting continues

ppl are literally killing themselves to bring us anime and ppl are still bitching endlessly
Apr 9, 2017 4:17 AM
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Studios are never oblige to make sequels. Like why the heck does people complain when most of us are watching anime in an illegal sites.

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Apr 9, 2017 4:19 AM

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Robiiii said:
Clebardman said:
When will weebs stop being so obsessed with manga and start watching the real treasure of anime, anime originals?

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately.

Then keep watching your excellent 12 eps ads for manga
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Apr 9, 2017 4:20 AM

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Fuck this site has gotten boring....
Apr 9, 2017 4:21 AM

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Stop watching so many long form Mangalore or light novel adaptations then. There are plenty of shows with complete a adaptations even nowadays like shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 9, 2017 4:21 AM

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Stop watching so many long form Manga or light novel adaptations then. There are plenty of shows with complete a adaptations even nowadays like shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 9, 2017 4:23 AM

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Robiiii said:
Clebardman said:
When will weebs stop being so obsessed with manga and start watching the real treasure of anime, anime originals?

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately


it's the adaptations that are shit much more often
anime originals deliver most of the time
Apr 9, 2017 4:24 AM

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Clebardman said:
Robiiii said:

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately.

Then keep watching your excellent 12 eps ads for manga

I guess I have no choice. Like most of us.

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Stop watching so many long form Mangalore or light novel adaptations then. There are plenty of shows with complete a adaptations even nowadays like shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu.

Luckily in super rare cases we do get complete adaptions so hopefully it'll become more frequent.
Apr 9, 2017 4:25 AM

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Hmmm....

Option A: Make an anime original that'll either be a hit or a miss.

Option B: Make an adaptation that's guaranteed to rake in established fans of the source material.

Face it. Sequels to your favorite show(s) are as likely as GRRM finally releasing The Winds of Winter.
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When they get paid much ofcourse they'll do it but right now its more profitable in their source material rather than get loads of budget to animate it but get lesser rewards. I'll doubt it when they change though its like zero chance to happen.
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Robiiii said:
Clebardman said:
When will weebs stop being so obsessed with manga and start watching the real treasure of anime, anime originals?

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately

sakamoto-kun said:
When will people stop thinking that animation studios aren't obligated to deliver a sequel?
Then they shouldnt even bother with making that anime in the first place.


You answered your own question in the thread headline, it's a "fancy promo".

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Apr 9, 2017 4:27 AM

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Recently all the new shows I really like have been getting season2s

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 9, 2017 4:33 AM

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sakamoto-kun said:
Robiiii said:

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately

Then they shouldnt even bother with making that anime in the first place.


You answered your own question in the thread headline, it's a "fancy promo".

Unfortunately in a quite a lot of cases studios hardly break even or even lose money becuz of the adaption due to poor sales of the DvD/BD. I atleast dont see how does it justify the money loss just to get that small LN/manga boost in sales

Also like I said before, even if they did well in sales, even then they manage to just abandon this "cash cow" which makes no sense at all.
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Robiiii said:
Clebardman said:
When will weebs stop being so obsessed with manga and start watching the real treasure of anime, anime originals?

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately


...?
Just to name a few anime originals

Cowboys Bepop
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Code Geass
Samurai Champloo
Psycho Pass
Apr 9, 2017 4:40 AM

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OhFearz said:
Robiiii said:

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately


...?
Just to name a few anime originals

Cowboys Bepop
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Code Geass
Samurai Champloo
Psycho Pass
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@OhFearz @Robiiii

The listof great anime originals is huge. It's obvious than something designed for this medium has the potential to be better than anything imported "panel by panel" wich is what most weebs and mangaka want (Monster anyone?)

Lemme just add FLCL, Utena, the legendary Ninja Scroll and anything made by Imaishi to your list <:
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OhFearz said:
Robiiii said:

Anime originals are quite shit unfortunately


...?
Just to name a few anime originals

Cowboys Bepop
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Code Geass
Samurai Champloo
Psycho Pass

Well I dont like any of those. Havent seen NGE however but not very keen to watch it atm
I only enjoyed KLK out of all the originals I've seen
Apr 9, 2017 4:44 AM

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@OhFearz @Robiiii

The listof great anime originals is huge. It's obvious than something designed for this medium has the potential to be better than anything imported "panel by panel" wich is what most weebs and mangaka want (Monster anyone?)
I still have to read the manga but I hear the pacing of the manga is better and I do agree that the anime could benefit from some pacing improvements but hey, a panel by panel adaptation is still better than a butchered version.
If you can't improve it then just keep it the way it was.
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Apr 9, 2017 4:47 AM

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Never. That is literally the reason why they're made half the time. That doesn't mean they can't be good, but if there's no financial gain that can be had from funding a project then chances are it won't get made in the first place.
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Anime originals are definitely a lot of where the good anime is at although creative adaptations where they don't just copy source material can be pretty amazing.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 9, 2017 4:49 AM

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@zal I just trust people who read it. I have no intention to do it myself because I find Urasawa's narrative gimmicks terribly annoying on the long run. I loved Pluto because it was shorter, but I could already feel his style getting on my nerves after 5 volumes; I'm not gonna read a 18 volumes manga by that dude :c

But yeah, the anime Monster was slow, and... kinda stiff. It all looked always so realistic and in proportion, not sacrificing anything to movement or emotion. Not my thing.
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Robiiii said:
sakamoto-kun said:


You answered your own question in the thread headline, it's a "fancy promo".

Unfortunately in a quite a lot of cases studios hardly break even or even lose money becuz of the adaption due to poor sales of the DvD/BD. I atleast dont see how does it justify the money loss just to get that small LN/manga boost in sales

Also like I said before, even if they did well in sales, even then they manage to just abandon this "cash cow" which makes no sense at all.


Well there have to be cases where the sales of DvD/BD and source material went well, they won't know unless they try.


And maybe people won't bother with buying the source, if they have a complete adaptation for free.

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zal said:
When they will change the current system of financing that revolves around the production committees.
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The @Robiiii shitposting continues

ppl are literally killing themselves to bring us anime and ppl are still bitching endlessly


Yh Japan really has to change things around if they want Anime to keep on living.
The anime industry won't be able to keep up with the increasing demand, especially since there is a lack of animators due to the brutal wkrk circumstances (and the neet pandering is only making it worse).
Apr 9, 2017 5:05 AM

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Robiiii said:
Im really sick and tired of getting 5-10% of the story animated, and then the rest is like "Hey I know you liked the anime but theres this manga/LN that I think you should check out."
No. Stop this shit. Its beyond irritating.
I can get behind the "not enough source" thing. Thats fine. But if it has plenty, did well in sales, and still nothing? No, fuck off then.
Seems like mostly shounen are immune to this of trend, and to that I say "how about we get something else as well?"
Now you're probably like "b-b-but this anime just got a second season. You're wrong." - But it probably wont get further than the second season. Hardly any anime go beyond 2nd season, and this is why im incredibly pissed at this half assed medium.
Maybe I can see the situation improve after 10 years, but not now.


When more people start paying for their anime by either buying first hand copies and yes even legally streaming it (not just on crunchyroll mind you) helps.
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Robiiii said:
Im really sick and tired of getting 5-10% of the story animated, and then the rest is like "Hey I know you liked the anime but theres this manga/LN that I think you should check out."
No. Stop this shit. Its beyond irritating.
I can get behind the "not enough source" thing. Thats fine. But if it has plenty, did well in sales, and still nothing? No, fuck off then.
Seems like mostly shounen are immune to this of trend, and to that I say "how about we get something else as well?"
Now you're probably like "b-b-but this anime just got a second season. You're wrong." - But it probably wont get further than the second season. Hardly any anime go beyond 2nd season, and this is why im incredibly pissed at this half assed medium.
Maybe I can see the situation improve after 10 years, but not now.


When more people start paying for their anime by either buying first hand copies and yes even legally streaming it (not just on crunchyroll mind you) helps.

So maybe in the near future? Can we even hope for that?
Apr 9, 2017 5:21 AM
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Well you could just oblige to what the industry wants you to do and actually go read the source material afterwards instead

There, you get your story continuation and the industry can stick to their fincancial plans. Everyone's happy. Problem solved. That's what I've been doing from the start and I've never had any complaints about it

Only times it can be annoying is if the source material isn't translated but that's a different issue altogether
Apr 9, 2017 5:25 AM

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Sigh.

When will westerners realize that anime isn't made to cater for them specifically?
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Brb said:
Sigh.

When will westerners realize that anime isn't made to cater for them specifically?
when people realize paying crunchyroll for the sake of paying is useless
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When people must pay to watch anime. or when anime are easier to make than manga.
seriously, why would you complain? people need money to survive. being a fan of one's work won't automatically feed them.
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Brb said:
Sigh.

When will westerners realize that anime isn't made to cater for them specifically?

This kind of mindset is outdated. Even japs realize that. After all a fair portion of sales do come outside of jap (mostly from us). So hopefully they'll catch onto that
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When people pay enough for it stand on its own without relying on source material. Im tired of people demanding whatever they want without first thinking if their community even deserve it
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Robiiii said:

scruffs said:


When more people start paying for their anime by either buying first hand copies and yes even legally streaming it (not just on crunchyroll mind you) helps.

So maybe in the near future? Can we even hope for that?


Yes but there's some hurdles to overcome.

1. People need proof that non- Japanese bd sales and non Japanese legal streams are making an impact.

2. People need to understand that the anime industry is driven by profit and not by opinion the "Japan doesn't care about what westerners think" mentality.

3. Legal streaming sites need to allow their users the ability to download and watch offline. One of the biggest complaints i see is that their internet speed is too slow for streaming.
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When original animes start earning money for being good.
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Robiiii said:
Im really sick and tired of getting 5-10% of the story animated, and then the rest is like "Hey I know you liked the anime but theres this manga/LN that I think you should check out."
No. Stop this shit. Its beyond irritating.
I can get behind the "not enough source" thing. Thats fine. But if it has plenty, did well in sales, and still nothing? No, fuck off then.
Seems like mostly shounen are immune to this of trend, and to that I say "how about we get something else as well?"
Now you're probably like "b-b-but this anime just got a second season. You're wrong." - But it probably wont get further than the second season. Hardly any anime go beyond 2nd season, and this is why im incredibly pissed at this half assed medium.
Maybe I can see the situation improve after 10 years, but not now.


Does this apply to retro anime? There wasn't that much original media back then either but were the adaptations more self reliant?
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When original animes start earning money for being good.

See? Now this is a great answer. Thank u
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OhFearz said:


...?
Just to name a few anime originals

Cowboys Bepop
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Code Geass
Samurai Champloo
Psycho Pass

Well I dont like any of those. Havent seen NGE however but not very keen to watch it atm
I only enjoyed KLK out of all the originals I've seen


^this is the answer why, especially when you're part of the problem.
>looks at favs, literally beside 1 or 2, all are adaptations of shit sources,
>dislikes every single good original listed so far
>wonders why anime isnt catering to them specifically and wonders why anime is just trying to survive.
>purposefully locks anime list to prevent any actual conversation
>complains some more when they can do 1 of 3 options

1. actually going out and find original shows that they'll like or completed adaptations of shows(most pre 2006 are quite completed)
2. suck it up and read the source
3. move to japan and learn japanese
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
Apr 9, 2017 6:19 AM
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ppl are literally killing themselves to bring us anime

i love people who think anime is hard to make, the animation industry is underpaid


are you fucking serious? do you even draw? do you know how long drawing takes?

anime IS hard to make, they work anywhere from 50-70 hours a week and sometimes have to draw 50,000 drawings EACH or more a year, and these ppl usually get no free time, sleep or exercise

just to make a character turn their head could take like 12 hours, and ONE scene can take all fucking day, shit, depending on the frame rate and detail, just making a character turn their head could take all day

also keep in mind every artist working on a specific anime has to use the same art style, thats a fucking talent





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Yh Japan really has to change things around if they want Anime to keep on living.
The anime industry won't be able to keep up with the increasing demand, especially since there is a lack of animators due to the brutal wkrk circumstances (and the neet pandering is only making it worse).


the biggest issue when it comes to the industry yes, are the work conditions, the hours and the cost of everything along with the growing demand

like whotf especially during a recession has 300 dollars to spend on ONE series?


anime grows in popularity every day, the neet pandering is not an issue, every form of media generally has a niche of hardcore fans that are more focused on. just because people like to make fun of lonely nerds doesn't mean that focusing mostly on them is hurting anything

why shouldn't the industry focus on the most hardcore fans? don't all industries do that?
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Robiiii said:
MortalMelancholy said:
When original animes start earning money for being good.

See? Now this is a great answer. Thank u


so basically
-gundam
-anything gainax or tigger
-madoka
-macross
-code geass
-evagelion
-eureka seven

but nah that;s not what you meant, since with your taste, you prob will never like an anime original show
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
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Scarlett_ryuken said:
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Well I dont like any of those. Havent seen NGE however but not very keen to watch it atm
I only enjoyed KLK out of all the originals I've seen


^this is the answer why, especially when you're part of the problem.
>looks at favs, literally beside 1 or 2, all are adaptations of shit sources,
>dislikes every single good original listed so far
>wonders why anime isnt catering to them specifically and wonders why anime is just trying to survive.
>purposefully locks anime list to prevent any actual conversation
>complains some more when they can do 1 of 3 options

1. actually going out and find original shows that they'll like or completed adaptations of shows(most pre 2006 are quite completed)
2. suck it up and read the source
3. move to japan and learn japanese

Alright then.
Sorry to disappoint you, but im not an edgy elitist unlike you. I prefer fun series, all of those originals mentioned above are boring pieces of crap, much like most of the pretentious boring shit on your fav list.
And my list was locked for a long time now, that argument is invalid.

>1. actually going out and find original shows that they'll like or completed adaptations of shows(most pre 2006 are quite completed)
I did tho. Nothing much of interest has been found. There are a few decent ones, but thats about it.

>2. suck it up and read the source
No. Thats why I made this thread in the first place. I dont have to read anything, but japs are really pushing that mindset which is just retarded

>3. move to japan and learn japanese
Im not a weeb. And thats not gonna help anyway, dafuq are u on about?
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Scarlett_ryuken said:
Robiiii said:

See? Now this is a great answer. Thank u


so basically
-gundam
-anything gainax or tigger
-madoka
-macross
-code geass
-evagelion
-eureka seven

but nah that;s not what you meant, since with your taste, you prob will never like an anime original show

Oh yeah forgot about Madoka. Yeah its very nice.
Havent seen Eureka 7 as well unfortunately, looks good tho.
If we are talking about Trigger, then Little Witch Academia is also something I look forward to
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It will never happen. Just get a job and buy the source.
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When people stop wanting money.

So never.
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Robiiii said:

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Sigh.

When will westerners realize that anime isn't made to cater for them specifically?

This kind of mindset is outdated. Even japs realize that. After all a fair portion of sales do come outside of jap (mostly from us). So hopefully they'll catch onto that

... You do know that the revenue from sales outside of Japan go to the licensors, not the publishers right? Unless you're buying figures or dvds from Japan, your "contributiion" amounts to whit.
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