| Hey fellow MAL users, how's it going? First, sorry if there is a thread like this already or if it's in the wrong section. This is one of the first forum topics I have made. So I wanted to ask you all about anime blu-rays from Japan. You know, the ones that come with only 1 or 2 episodes and a bunch of other stuff like maybe a book, a song or 2 and maybe some stickers or poster, etc. I was wondering, are they really worth all the expense? Here is an example. If you're like me and actually want to buy anime stuff, you find that a lot of it is expensive. One thing that drives me crazy is these blu-rays and they are limited edition, and cost around £55 or about $67 each and only have the stuff I mentioned above. If you was to buy all of them so you have the complete series, imagine how expensive that would be! It really adds up and as a student, I just can't afford anything like that right now even though I would like to have them. I can understand that they are aimed at collectors and such and maybe not the average anime fan. I do plan on collecting figures in the future which I have been hesitant on for a while. But now it is something I aim to do. So what are all your thoughts on this? Do you like to buy these expensive blu-rays and any other expensive merchandise? Are they really worth it? I would like to see some opinions and maybe something that might help me justify the cost. I've seen some people on here showing their collections and I just think, how the hell do they do it, how is it justified? Thanks |
| It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "support le industry".. particularly for very new shows |
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| If you are a big fan and have a lot of money why not. |
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| It's the only way to get a S2, unless it's a title that's only popular among Westerners and you know for sure it's super popular there and even then, only a few series have managed to get more seasons from the Western fanbase alone. |
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romagia said: It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "supporting le industry".. particularly for very new shows This is pretty much it. Supporting the industry is the reason for their high price. It is kind of sad that things became like this. |
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romagia said: I can understand that it would help them but you're not helping yourself if you're going to end up broke because of it, lol. Not that it would happen to everyone. But there are times where I get this feeling that the businesses are just sitting there, laughing at us anime fans throwing our money at these blu-rays. I just want to know if they come with enough content to actually justify the cost.It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "support le industry".. particularly for very new shows |
takenMalUsername said: legend has it things naturally evolved like this.. these high cost anime on home media was initially meant only for rental stores, but collectors also wanted the anime, and that's how the late night anime industry startedromagia said: It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "supporting le industry".. particularly for very new shows This is pretty much it. Supporting the industry is the reason for their high price. It is kind of sad that things became like this. DenpaNyanNyan said: making late night animu is a pretty expensive endeavor, for a very niche audience... romagia said: I can understand that it would help them but you're not helping yourself if you're going to end up broke because of it, lol. Not that it would happen to everyone. But there are times where I get this feeling that the businesses are just sitting there, laughing at us anime fans throwing our money at these blu-rays. I just want to know if they come with enough content to actually justify the cost.It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "support le industry".. particularly for very new shows my basic economic intuition tells me it's worth it (low demand + high production cost = high price sort of thing?) |
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Ulquiorra said: If you are a big fan and have a lot of money why not. demonskul777 said: I am a big fan and love it but don't have a lot of money XDIf you really love it, it is, otherwise not, I guess. takenMalUsername said: I agree.romagia said: It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "supporting le industry".. particularly for very new shows This is pretty much it. Supporting the industry is the reason for their high price. It is kind of sad that things became like this. Seidou_Takizawa said: Thank you.For that price? Yeah not worth it imo. But if you wanna support the industry i guess that is the best way to do so. |
Hoppy said: That makes sense. They can't make an S2 if they don't have the funding.It's the only way to get a S2, unless it's a title that's only popular among Westerners and you know for sure it's super popular there and even then, only a few series have managed to get more seasons from the Western fanbase alone. romagia said: Interesting.takenMalUsername said: legend has it things naturally evolved like this.. these high cost anime on home media was initially meant only for rental stores, but collectors also wanted the anime, and that's how the late night anime industry startedThis is pretty much it. Supporting the industry is the reason for their high price. It is kind of sad that things became like this. |
DenpaNyanNyan said: romagia said: I can understand that it would help them but you're not helping yourself if you're going to end up broke because of it, lol. Not that it would happen to everyone. But there are times where I get this feeling that the businesses are just sitting there, laughing at us anime fans throwing our money at these blu-rays. I just want to know if they come with enough content to actually justify the cost.It's worth it in the sense that it's the most impactful way to "support le industry".. particularly for very new shows Depends, Idolmaster BDs came with nice bonuses even moreso if you bought the CEs with the G4U in them. Many anime have OSTs locked behind a BD paywall (Dog Days has it's soundtrack locked behind BDs for all 3 seasons), some games have an insidious practice where DLC locked behind a BD paywall (Gundam EXVS Force and Macross Delta Scramble), then again with Delta Scramble a lot of stuff was locked behind a paywall. |
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Hoppy said: mainsteram cartoon like RINNE can get still get sequel on nihon tv ratings aloneIt's the only way to get a S2, unless it's a title that's only popular among Westerners and you know for sure it's super popular there and even then, only a few series have managed to get more seasons from the Western fanbase alone. |
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Hoppy said: Nice. Yes this is one thing that I find annoying. Like when there's that 1 song from an anime I like but I have to pay £50 for the blu-ray to have it officially. I could download it and save money but I'd rather have a physical item and at least give something back. With games it has also become quite ridiculous with the prices of some DLCs. Not all are bad though.DenpaNyanNyan said: I can understand that it would help them but you're not helping yourself if you're going to end up broke because of it, lol. Not that it would happen to everyone. But there are times where I get this feeling that the businesses are just sitting there, laughing at us anime fans throwing our money at these blu-rays. I just want to know if they come with enough content to actually justify the cost. Depends, Idolmaster BDs came with nice bonuses even moreso if you bought the CEs with the G4U in them. Many anime have OSTs locked behind a BD paywall (Dog Days has it's soundtrack locked behind BDs for all 3 seasons), some games have an insidious practice where DLC locked behind a BD paywall (Gundam EXVS Force and Macross Delta Scramble), then again with Delta Scramble a lot of stuff was locked behind a paywall. |
DenpaNyanNyan said: it's from the famous anime economy article from ANNHoppy said: That makes sense. They can't make an S2 if they don't have the funding.It's the only way to get a S2, unless it's a title that's only popular among Westerners and you know for sure it's super popular there and even then, only a few series have managed to get more seasons from the Western fanbase alone. romagia said: Interesting.legend has it things naturally evolved like this.. these high cost anime on home media was initially meant only for rental stores, but collectors also wanted the anime, and that's how the late night anime industry started http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05 i also suggest reading the someanithing FAQ.. it says how do they get data for sales, and also a bit about production http://www.someanithing.com/sales-faqguide |
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romagia said: Hoppy said: mainsteram cartoon like RINNE can get still get sequel on nihon tv ratings aloneIt's the only way to get a S2, unless it's a title that's only popular among Westerners and you know for sure it's super popular there and even then, only a few series have managed to get more seasons from the Western fanbase alone. Only certain stations can do this though and it's primarily kids anime. That's why you have 2 seasons of Haitai Nanafa despite BDs coming out almost a year after the second season was delaycast on AT-X. |
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romagia said: it's from the famous anime economy article from ANN http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05 i also suggest reading the someanithing FAQ.. it says how do they get data for sales, and also a bit about production http://www.someanithing.com/sales-faqguide Thanks, I will take a look at those :) |
Hoppy said: So even kids animes get expensive limited editions? Oreimo has come to mind haha, if you know what I mean. :)romagia said: mainsteram cartoon like RINNE can get still get sequel on nihon tv ratings alone Only certain stations can do this though and it's primarily kids anime. That's why you have 2 seasons of Haitai Nanafa despite BDs coming out almost a year after the second season was delaycast on AT-X. |
| As a person with well over 100 Anime DVDs/LDs/VHS Tapes in his collection, I would never buy Anime from Japan, as I wouldn't be able to watch it, but most importantly, it's way too expensive. People should be supporting the North American companies which license Anime. A few westerners buying Anime from Japan means nothing to the Japanese companies. |
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| *Foxy voice* No. Just no....never do it. |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
| If you don't feel like the Japanese discs provide enough value for your money, you can always buy cheaper legitimate discs released in your area, if they're available. Ignore the concern trolling from the anti-industry crowd that says non-Japanese releases "don't really count"; these are releases where the Japanese company has undergone negotiations, signed contracts, and approved the deal they're getting. The anti-industry concern trolls seem to think they have insider financial knowledge saying that Japanese companies are somehow getting a raw deal from overseas disc publishers and streaming sites. But if they were getting a raw deal, they wouldn't be making those licensing agreements to begin with. Either way, they'd much rather people bought overseas licensed discs (or watching on legal streaming sites) instead of downloading illegally or watching on bootleg streaming sites. |
| Outside of collection purposes I don't think its worth it. |
| How come i see full blu ray sets for anime on amazon for roughly £20. EG: No Game No Life All 12eps+specials subbed for £20ish There are also others for mahou sama full collection is roughly £10 and noragami for under 20 BUT DO THEY SUPPORT THE INDUSTRY? |
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DenpaNyanNyan said: Hoppy said: So even kids animes get expensive limited editions? Oreimo has come to mind haha, if you know what I mean. :)Only certain stations can do this though and it's primarily kids anime. That's why you have 2 seasons of Haitai Nanafa despite BDs coming out almost a year after the second season was delaycast on AT-X. Yes, however, the BDs for Haitai Nanafa were only $30 US per volume (2 vols in total and had 1 season per volume). |
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Seiya said: Wow amazing. I get your point though. I have bought some blu-rays but haven't watched them yet because I've already seen the series and don't feel like re-watching. Only my favourite series I re-watched with the blu-rays, and it is really expensive I can see that haha.As a person with well over 100 Anime DVDs/LDs/VHS Tapes in his collection, I would never buy Anime from Japan, as I wouldn't be able to watch it, but most importantly, it's way too expensive. People should be supporting the North American companies which license Anime. A few westerners buying Anime from Japan means nothing to the Japanese companies. Lol Zalis said: I already have some legitimate non-Japanese releases on blu-ray which I bought for much cheaper, but I am still curious about the Japan releases that are limited and what they come with.If you don't feel like the Japanese discs provide enough value for your money, you can always buy cheaper legitimate discs released in your area, if they're available. Ignore the concern trolling from the anti-industry crowd that says non-Japanese releases "don't really count"; these are releases where the Japanese company has undergone negotiations, signed contracts, and approved the deal they're getting. The anti-industry concern trolls seem to think they have insider financial knowledge saying that Japanese companies are somehow getting a raw deal from overseas disc publishers and streaming sites. But if they were getting a raw deal, they wouldn't be making those licensing agreements to begin with. Either way, they'd much rather people bought overseas licensed discs (or watching on legal streaming sites) instead of downloading illegally or watching on bootleg streaming sites. KinnikuGuy said: Thanks.Outside of collection purposes I don't think its worth it. Hoppy said: Ah okay. I just started watching that anime and it is really cute. I like cute animes the most :)DenpaNyanNyan said: So even kids animes get expensive limited editions? Oreimo has come to mind haha, if you know what I mean. :) Yes, however, the BDs for Haitai Nanafa were only $30 US per volume (2 vols in total and had 1 season per volume). |
j0x said: Lol I see. I like to own the physical items, like I prefer CDs to mp3 files. I like how Amazon gives you both for the price of one. But there's no way I'm going to have a blu-ray disc from a series if it is currently airing haha, and I might not want to re-watch. no its not worth it anymore now that legal streaming rights are becoming the main profit maker for the anime industry so just subscribe to CrunchyRoll and any other legal streaming sites let those fucking expensive discs die and since 2012-2013 the disc sales are declining anyway Yourlolm said: I'm talking about blu-rays from sites such as CDJapan. See the example in my first post. You won't find it on Amazon unless you look at Amazon.co.jpHow come i see full blu ray sets for anime on amazon for roughly £20. EG: No Game No Life All 12eps+specials subbed for £20ish There are also others for mahou sama full collection is roughly £10 and noragami for under 20 BUT DO THEY SUPPORT THE INDUSTRY? |
| if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Ohh get out of here with your kiwi and watch Queens Blade you scrub. You don't know what real T&A is until you seen Queens Blades. if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol Anyway...American blu-rays comes with the Japanese audio tracks and subtitles so no need to waste money on Japanese blu-rays. Better off getting yourself some cool Japanese video games for PS3 or PS4. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: As expected from the EcchiLordMamster haha. :)if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol |
MasterHavik said: Yes I know, even with the European and UK blu-ray releases in my case. But I do like to collect things, especially CDs and I want to get more anime stuff in my room. There isn't that much right now.EcchiLordMamster said: Ohh get out of here with your kiwi and watch Queens Blade you scrub. You don't know what real T&A is until you seen Queens Blades. if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol Anyway...American blu-rays comes with the Japanese audio tracks and subtitles so no need to waste money on Japanese blu-rays. Better off getting yourself some cool Japanese video games for PS3 or PS4. |
DenpaNyanNyan said: That's cool man. I try to get things I really like. Too many fans just buy stuff because it's anime.MasterHavik said: Yes I know, even with the European blu-rays in my case. But I do like to collect things, especially CDs and I want to get more anime stuff in my room. There isn't that much right now.Ohh get out of here with your kiwi and watch Queens Blade you scrub. You don't know what real T&A is until you seen Queens Blades. Anyway...American blu-rays comes with the Japanese audio tracks and subtitles so no need to waste money on Japanese blu-rays. Better off getting yourself some cool Japanese video games for PS3 or PS4. |
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DenpaNyanNyan said: anecdotally, other than the related specials and ovas you can see on MAL, i think they might come with some art books and audio dramasZalis said: I already have some legitimate non-Japanese releases on blu-ray which I bought for much cheaper, but I am still curious about the Japan releases that are limited and what they come with.If you don't feel like the Japanese discs provide enough value for your money, you can always buy cheaper legitimate discs released in your area, if they're available. Ignore the concern trolling from the anti-industry crowd that says non-Japanese releases "don't really count"; these are releases where the Japanese company has undergone negotiations, signed contracts, and approved the deal they're getting. The anti-industry concern trolls seem to think they have insider financial knowledge saying that Japanese companies are somehow getting a raw deal from overseas disc publishers and streaming sites. But if they were getting a raw deal, they wouldn't be making those licensing agreements to begin with. Either way, they'd much rather people bought overseas licensed discs (or watching on legal streaming sites) instead of downloading illegally or watching on bootleg streaming sites. i remember seeing tons of JPGs in the raw BDRips on nyaa.. those almost never make it to the fansub releases and some translated audio dramas in the bakabt version of kodomo no jikan, i think they were likely from teh blu rays |
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MasterHavik said: EcchiLordMamster said: Ohh get out of here with your kiwi and watch Queens Blade you scrub. You don't know what real T&A is until you seen Queens Blades. if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol Anyway...American blu-rays comes with the Japanese audio tracks and subtitles so no need to waste money on Japanese blu-rays. Better off getting yourself some cool Japanese video games for PS3 or PS4. not, nor will i ever be interested in queens blade lol DenpaNyanNyan said: EcchiLordMamster said: As expected from the EcchiLordMamster haha. :)if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol im buying every single one |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Just saying Queens Blade gives you what you want and then some...and actually has a pretty decent story. That's just my opinion. Kiwi is like the fruit I will never touch with a 10 foot pole. MasterHavik said: Ohh get out of here with your kiwi and watch Queens Blade you scrub. You don't know what real T&A is until you seen Queens Blades. Anyway...American blu-rays comes with the Japanese audio tracks and subtitles so no need to waste money on Japanese blu-rays. Better off getting yourself some cool Japanese video games for PS3 or PS4. not, nor will i ever be interested in queens blade lol DenpaNyanNyan said: As expected from the EcchiLordMamster haha. :) im buying every single one Also you ain't grabbing those blu-rays dude. Stop trying to be cool. |
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MasterHavik said: Yeah same. The blu-rays I have at the moment are from some of the series I like most. :)DenpaNyanNyan said: That's cool man. I try to get things I really like. Too many fans just buy stuff because it's anime.Yes I know, even with the European blu-rays in my case. But I do like to collect things, especially CDs and I want to get more anime stuff in my room. There isn't that much right now. romagia said: Nice. The art books would be good to look at. I will have almost no idea what they would say in the dramas apart from familiar words lol, so downloading a translated version would be beneficial. But it is still better to own a physical copy IMO, even if I would download another version. It's technically legal if you bought a copy anyway from what I've heard, as long as you don't redistribute and make a profit.DenpaNyanNyan said: anecdotally, other than the related specials and ovas you can see on MAL, i think they might come with some art books and audio dramasI already have some legitimate non-Japanese releases on blu-ray which I bought for much cheaper, but I am still curious about the Japan releases that are limited and what they come with. i remember seeing tons of JPGs in the raw BDRips on nyaa.. those almost never make it to the fansub releases and some translated audio dramas in the bakabt version of kodomo no jikan, i think they were likely from teh blu rays |
DenpaNyanNyan said: I need to get back my PSG Blu-ray. Besides being one of my favorite English dubs. That felt like a sacred treasure to me.MasterHavik said: Yeah same. The blu-rays I have at the moment are from some of the series I like most. :)That's cool man. I try to get things I really like. Too many fans just buy stuff because it's anime. romagia said: Nice. The art books would be good to look at. I will have almost no idea what they would say in the dramas apart from familiar words lol, so downloading a translated version would be beneficial. But it is still better to own a physical copy IMO, even if I would download another version. It's technically legal if you bought a copy anyway from what I've heard, as long as you don't redistribute and make a profit.anecdotally, other than the related specials and ovas you can see on MAL, i think they might come with some art books and audio dramas i remember seeing tons of JPGs in the raw BDRips on nyaa.. those almost never make it to the fansub releases and some translated audio dramas in the bakabt version of kodomo no jikan, i think they were likely from teh blu rays |
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MasterHavik said: Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt? I haven't seen that yet. I think Bleach had a very good English dub and is probably my favourite dubbed anime. I don't have any blu-rays from it though lol.DenpaNyanNyan said: I need to get back my PSG Blu-ray. Besides being one of my favorite English dubs. That felt like a sacred treasure to me.Yeah same. The blu-rays I have at the moment are from some of the series I like most. :) Nice. The art books would be good to look at. I will have almost no idea what they would say in the dramas apart from familiar words lol, so downloading a translated version would be beneficial. But it is still better to own a physical copy IMO, even if I would download another version. It's technically legal if you bought a copy anyway from what I've heard, as long as you don't redistribute and make a profit. |
DenpaNyanNyan said: I found Bleach to be a pretty poor dub. This was around the time where Viz had both Naruto and Bleach and the dubs stunk. The newer dubs by them are much better. But it's okay to have your opinion. I think you'll love PSG.MasterHavik said: Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt? I haven't seen that yet. I think Bleach had a very good English dub and is probably my favourite dubbed anime. I don't have any blu-rays from it though lol.I need to get back my PSG Blu-ray. Besides being one of my favorite English dubs. That felt like a sacred treasure to me. |
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MasterHavik said: I don't like the Naruto dub much but I haven't watched the whole series. Guess I'll try PSG :)DenpaNyanNyan said: I found Bleach to be a pretty poor dub. This was around the time where Viz had both Naruto and Bleach and the dubs stunk. The newer dubs by them are much better. But it's okay to have your opinion. I think you'll love PSG.Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt? I haven't seen that yet. I think Bleach had a very good English dub and is probably my favourite dubbed anime. I don't have any blu-rays from it though lol. |
Seiya said: As a person with well over 100 Anime DVDs/LDs/VHS Tapes in his collection, I would never buy Anime from Japan, as I wouldn't be able to watch it, but most importantly, it's way too expensive. People should be supporting their local companies which license Anime. A few westerners buying Anime from Japan means nothing to the Japanese companies. As a person with less than 100 titles in DVDs and VHS (and sadly no LD), I support this answer. As a french person, I would add that I wouldn't buy something from the north american market either (based on the prices I read about here). And as a stupid person (if I trust today's consumers), I would even say that BrD are in general far too pricy for what they are. Anyway, simply help your country publishers to make money and license more animations. PS @Seiya : what is the boy on your picture, and did you see Nora subtitled? (where?) |
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umashikaneko said: Seiya said: As a person with well over 100 Anime DVDs/LDs/VHS Tapes in his collection, I would never buy Anime from Japan, as I wouldn't be able to watch it, but most importantly, it's way too expensive. People should be supporting the North American companies which license Anime. A few westerners buying Anime from Japan means nothing to the Japanese companies. A few means a lot when it comes to japanese disc sales market where average is around 3000. How would you feel if I told you I don't care about the Japanese market? If I want more companies to license Anime in North America, I support North American companies. Supporting Japanese companies don't help Anime being localized. I buy Anime DVDs to watch, not for decoration. If it's RAW Japanese, I can't watch it. @Rei366: It's Seiya from "Nurse Angel Ririka SOS." You can find Nora subbed on BakaBT. |
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| @MasterHavik Keijo!!!!!!!! GIves me everything I want All female cast Girls fighting eachother Swimsuits and Skimpy clothing All likable characters Modern times Ass and tits as a plot point Yes, Queens blade has much of those but what it lacks is the problem Also, I already bought all the blurays for Musaigen.. why wouldn't I for keijo????????? |
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MasterHavik said: EcchiLordMamster said: Ohh get out of here with your kiwi and watch Queens Blade you scrub. You don't know what real T&A is until you seen Queens Blades. if the anime's name is Keijo!!!!!!!! then MOTHERFUCKING YES it is.... lol AYYYY Queen's Blade's my favourite ecchi out there. |
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Seiya said: From what I've seen, you can buy most anime from Japan with English subtitles anyway, and I watch with subtitles. I'm not bothered about dubs any more so for me it's fine. The blu-rays in question are the limited edition ones that only have 1 or 2 episodes which really doesn't make sense to me but it's what comes with it that counts I guess.umashikaneko said: A few means a lot when it comes to japanese disc sales market where average is around 3000. How would you feel if I told you I don't care about the Japanese market? If I want more companies to license Anime in North America, I support North American companies. Supporting Japanese companies don't help Anime being localized. I buy Anime DVDs to watch, not for decoration. If it's RAW Japanese, I can't watch it. @Rei366: It's Seiya from "Nurse Angel Ririka SOS." You can find Nora subbed on BakaBT. Nani said: That is ridiculous, damn. Does it come with any extras?Yes if the price is right and you plan on watching it multiple times. There are so many series I want in my bluray collection but there is no freaking way I'm paying 200$+ for a part 1 bluray with like 5 episodes on the discs. Freaking ridicioulous how much they charge you. I'M LOOKING AT YOU ANIPLEX. Nexu said: Of course I'd like to support the creator if it's a series I like :)Only if you plan to support the creator. |
| @DenpaNyanNyan: None of the Anime I want to own on DVD have subtitles in their Japanese releases. They're all RAW. Only a small few newer titles have subs. |
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Seiya said: That is a problem then. I can't watch RAW either.@DenpaNyanNyan: None of the Anime I want to own on DVD have subtitles in their Japanese releases. They're all RAW. Only a small few newer titles have subs. |
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