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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Tank Man full version..holy shit. This is one hell of a chapter. Luffy's new Gear #4 looks quite epic so far. |
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| Tank Man was pretty awesome. Poor Cracker never knew what hit him. Nami ordering the minions was funny to watch. I nearly forgot just how awesome Zeff was. |
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| Wow! Bravo Nami. She's actually playing a huge role in this fight. And her face while threatening the Homie was sooo hilarious Never thought I'd see the day Luffy cries from eating too much XD Zeff!!! So he's actually the person who made Sanji this Chivalrous :o TANKMAN!! Cannon Ball!! GG Cracker! |
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| dat Tank man xD Cracked got cracked.... good fight :D |
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| that was feel anticlimatic, but love how comical it was... sanji got my respect... can't wat next chapter... isn't 4yh gear supposed to be dangerous? how is it used soo oftenly? |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Luffy new gear 4th form is quite funny but awesome. Nice chapter and next chapter will be interesting but not until 2 weeks. |
| Luffy only won because of Nami. But it was smart of him to use the hardness of the biscuit soldiers against Cracker. |
| Sanji takes off mask in wedding. Wedding is null. |
| Tank Man is like Mizu Luffy: It looks ridiculous at first, but it works! |
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Actrion said: Well, 860M Berri bounty and he is defeated by spraying water and one bounce. Not really because of the bounce, but because of hitting multiple of his clones with great impact. And those clones were VERY hard, and he still broke through them. |
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| Getting surprised every single week with the good mix of humor and ''drama'' (Sanji) on the same chapter,and Oda makes this so well,too bad there's no chapter on the next week,things are only getting better! |
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| Great chapter. So it was Nami who was helping Luffy eat all the biscuits, The way she was threatening her henchman was funny. xD Surprised that Luffy actually complained about food for once. XD Bropper and Carrot running around mirror world. Tank Man was hilarious, I totally did not see that coming. XD Cracker got too overconfident after seeing Luffy's size and got owned. :3 So Zeff is the person who instilled Sanji's chivalrous nature, It was really nice to see that he thought of himself as Sanji's parent. The ironclad rule of the Universe since before the time of dinosaurs eh? Well that's nice. :) |
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| Oh my fucking god I could not stop laughing during the fight, it turned out so much better than I could've hoped for. Thank you, Oda, it was a treat. |
| that was something else, i feel kinda bad for cracker who could have known obesity was so op |
| Q: The world won't change, you must change yourself in this world. Now, how will you change yourself? A: Become the god of the new world. |
| More Sanji backstory... We finally know where his chivalry came from. I loved Tank Man Luffy. RIP Cracker. Wedding drawing near in the same time :o |
| Sanji is on the way to the gift changing. I wonder what he'll give. Im expecting a few more moves in 4th gear form. Just like the 2nd having Red Hawk and 3rd having Thor Hammer, Elephant Gun, and Grizzly Magnum. |
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| Ridiculous,but at the same time awesome new form of Gear 4th.Luffy finished Cracker by using his belly.The flashback with Zeff was very good and finally we learned how Sanji became a gentleman,who doesn't hit women.A very enjoyable chapter.If only we wouldn't have to experience another break after this. xD |
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Drake1000 said: Every 2 chapters is followed by a hiatus with this manga, not that big of a deal though. People thought Gear 4 was fat? let's make it more fat. And Cracker is beat as expected, though he did push Luffy past his regular Gear 4 form and he had help from Nami as well so that's that I guess. It's not every 2 weeks but Oda take a break every 3 or 4 chapters. |
Actrion said: Well, 860M Berri bounty and he is defeated by spraying water and one bounce. So true... #15characters |
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TheAngryJew55 said: Did anyone notice the hint on the last page? http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/842/17 Look like photoshop'd, Luffy never look that cool standing except on Robin's conversation 'I want to live'. |
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Turtlewack said: Was anyone else disaapointed with this chapter? hyped character gets defeated in one hit? This isn't fairy tail. Let wait for the explanation then, maybe this 'Tank man' is a skill that return double or more the damage. |
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| LOL "Cry me a River" Nice one Nami. Good to see her using the rain to soften the biscuit soldiers. Haha Bropper & Carrot running around in the Mirror World & appearing in people's mirrors. Gear 4th Tank Man looks so cool. Gomu Gomu no Cannon Ball. Looks like Cracker got owned. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Luffy needed nami's help and the enemy had to be fragile and his ability had to be made into something he can eat in order to win. It's disappointing powerlevel wise, 5th gear is needed now. |
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| So Zeff was the reason who instilled the chivalry in Sanji. I thought it would be something along the lines of his father abusing his mother, but the Zeff thing works just as well. Idk why people are making a big deal about Luffy one-shotting Cracker. He even said a few chapters ago that he's extremely sensitive to pain and that's why he makes that armor around himself. So if he takes that cannon ball from Luffy, AND crashes through a bunch of his rock-hard biscuit soldiers, all while being very sensitive to pain, it makes a lot of sense that he would be taken down in one hit. Just because his bounty is 800M+ doesn't mean the fight with him needs to last 30 chapters, or even 10 chapters for that matter. He's not even the main threat anyway, if the Big Mom fight is this quick, that would be disappointing, but Cracker is just a henchman, so I'd rather see him get KO'd relatively fast so the story can move on. Plus, we all know that if this fight was 10 or 15 chapters longer, people would still complain, but this time it would be about the fight being dragged for too long. |
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Turtlewack said: Was anyone else disaapointed with this chapter? hyped character gets defeated in one hit? This isn't fairy tail. They've been fighting for 11 hours (As noted by the last chapter). Cracker's whole thing is that he can make clones but has a fragile body, and he got defeated by Gear 4th..works perfectly fine imo. |
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| yayy we got a new gear 4 and attack :D Finally gomu gomu no cannon ball..so relevant to pirates and the whole artillery theme! It's been all beasts lately..Now we have Gear 4 "Bound Man" and "Tank Man", so we can definitely expect more forms if the conditions for transforming are met. Looking forward to how Oda reveals them. Liking how Nami was instrumental in the fight. Reminds me of God Ussop's major role in Dressrosa, I think Nami and Bropper will do some important things this arc. You gotta keep in mind the forest would be ganging up on Luffy with Cracker if she wasn't holding them back. It was hilarious and ironic how Cracker fell prey to his own prided hard biscuits..well played Oda. Caught me off guard once more, not all fights have to be to the death if one uses the right advantages to overcome power/exp gaps. This certainly isn't an asspull FT powerup to me. With all that he's eaten Luffy should be recovered to full power now! Next Sanji x Pudding <3 Let the heart's fly pppp-puuu-dingggg-chwaaaan xD |
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| A new 4th Gear technique! Wow |
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| I didn't like how this fight turned out. Everything felt contrived. Contrived that they met Lola's father in the forest who reminds Nami of the Vivre Card which she coincidentally has in her cleavage which coincidentally gives Nami control of all the Homies in the forest because it has Big Mom's soul in it. This just reaffirmed my expectations of no matter what happens Oda will never have Nami harmed. I also didn't like that Sanji's reason for not fighting women also came from Zeff. For someone who refuses to hit women even at the cost of his life you would think it had something to do with his traumatic childhood, but no. Zeff just said not to hit women so he doesn't. That's not an interesting characterisation. |
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Turtlewack said: Quite but not as much. Cracker got his fair share of portrayal, enough for me to admit he is strong but not enough to satisfy my personal expectation, all in all it's a "fine" fight.Was anyone else disaapointed with this chapter? hyped character gets defeated in one hit? This isn't fairy tail. |
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MoonStar9 said: I didn't like how this fight turned out. Everything felt contrived. Contrived that they met Lola's father in the forest who reminds Nami of the Vivre Card which she coincidentally has in her cleavage which coincidentally gives Nami control of all the Homies in the forest because it has Big Mom's soul in it. This just reaffirmed my expectations of no matter what happens Oda will never have Nami harmed. I also didn't like that Sanji's reason for not fighting women also came from Zeff. For someone who refuses to hit women even at the cost of his life you would think it had something to do with his traumatic childhood, but no. Zeff just said not to hit women so he doesn't. That's not an interesting characterisation. Not sure why you expected any different. Sanji flat-out said after he lost to Kalifa that it's just how he was raised. Nothing more, nothing less. |
AllenNoah said: MoonStar9 said: I didn't like how this fight turned out. Everything felt contrived. Contrived that they met Lola's father in the forest who reminds Nami of the Vivre Card which she coincidentally has in her cleavage which coincidentally gives Nami control of all the Homies in the forest because it has Big Mom's soul in it. This just reaffirmed my expectations of no matter what happens Oda will never have Nami harmed. I also didn't like that Sanji's reason for not fighting women also came from Zeff. For someone who refuses to hit women even at the cost of his life you would think it had something to do with his traumatic childhood, but no. Zeff just said not to hit women so he doesn't. That's not an interesting characterisation. Not sure why you expected any different. Sanji flat-out said after he lost to Kalifa that it's just how he was raised. Nothing more, nothing less. You're not sure why I expected more...? Did his traumatic childhood at the hands of his father and brothers and the fact that the only people who showed him any kindness during that were his mother and sister not indicate any deep rooted reason for his aversion to harming women? Because I think it hard for that not to have occurred to you. Rather I think you're simply defending the chapter for defence sake. |
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MoonStar9 said: AllenNoah said: Not sure why you expected any different. Sanji flat-out said after he lost to Kalifa that it's just how he was raised. Nothing more, nothing less. You're not sure why I expected more...? Did his traumatic childhood at the hands of his father and brothers and the fact that the only people who showed him any kindness during that were his mother and sister not indicate any deep rooted reason for his aversion to harming women? Because I think it hard for that not to have occurred to you. Rather I think you're simply defending the chapter for defence sake. It occurred to me, but then I remembered that a) not everything has to come from some deep psychological trauma and b) Sanji explained why he doesn't hit women already back during Enies Lobby and had no reason to lie about it. |
MoonStar9 said: I didn't like how this fight turned out. Everything felt contrived. Contrived that they met Lola's father in the forest who reminds Nami of the Vivre Card which she coincidentally has in her cleavage which coincidentally gives Nami control of all the Homies in the forest because it has Big Mom's soul in it. This just reaffirmed my expectations of no matter what happens Oda will never have Nami harmed. She got the vivre card 42 volumes ago and it was clear as to who Lola's "mama" was. No idea how you see it as contrived, I thought it was TOO obvious if anything. I also didn't like that Sanji's reason for not fighting women also came from Zeff. For someone who refuses to hit women even at the cost of his life you would think it had something to do with his traumatic childhood, but no. He's been chivalrous for 76 volumes and nope never thought that. |
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Turtlewack said: Was anyone else disaapointed with this chapter? hyped character gets defeated in one hit? This isn't fairy tail. Nope. I always knew no way Cracker going to be stronger than Doflamingo(which also need Law's help to defeat him) so I didn't have much hyped on him in the first place. Is it confirm that Cracker is KO? Good chapter. It's nice to see Nami being helping Luffy beating one of the Yonkou's commander. So cannon ball can also be used to trap the opponent on his stomach. Seems like a very useful new technique. And Luffy slam Cracker into his own biscuit soldiers. Good strategy there. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
lmao I'd like to see that happening.. |
| What the hell Luffy, I'm sure you can eat more. "Eternally expanding stomach" lmao. Zeff much better father than his actual one. Pretty convenient mask there. Lold at Luffy sending Cracker flying. |
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AllenNoah said: MoonStar9 said: You're not sure why I expected more...? Did his traumatic childhood at the hands of his father and brothers and the fact that the only people who showed him any kindness during that were his mother and sister not indicate any deep rooted reason for his aversion to harming women? Because I think it hard for that not to have occurred to you. Rather I think you're simply defending the chapter for defence sake. It occurred to me, but then I remembered that a) not everything has to come from some deep psychological trauma and b) Sanji explained why he doesn't hit women already back during Enies Lobby and had no reason to lie about it. If it occurred to you why are you behaving as though it's insensible of me to have expected it to do with his childhood? Whether or not you think "not everything has to do with trauma", as though every child in this manga doesn't already have a traumatic childhood that fuels their current objectives, is your opinion but don't act like I have no bearings to disappointed about it. ashfrliebert said: MoonStar9 said: I didn't like how this fight turned out. Everything felt contrived. Contrived that they met Lola's father in the forest who reminds Nami of the Vivre Card which she coincidentally has in her cleavage which coincidentally gives Nami control of all the Homies in the forest because it has Big Mom's soul in it. This just reaffirmed my expectations of no matter what happens Oda will never have Nami harmed. She got the vivre card 42 volumes ago and it was clear as to who Lola's "mama" was. No idea how you see it as contrived, I thought it was TOO obvious if anything. I also didn't like that Sanji's reason for not fighting women also came from Zeff. For someone who refuses to hit women even at the cost of his life you would think it had something to do with his traumatic childhood, but no. He's been chivalrous for 76 volumes and nope never thought that. What's contrived is that she received the Vivre Card 2 years ago and coincidentally had it on her person at the very moment it was needed. I'm almost certain you're lying. Almost. Nobody on a One Piece forum hasn't ever considered this at one point or another, especially after the brothers were introduced. Theories spread like wildfire. revoilt said: MoonStar9 said: You're not sure why I expected more...? Did his traumatic childhood at the hands of his father and brothers and the fact that the only people who showed him any kindness during that were his mother and sister not indicate any deep rooted reason for his aversion to harming women? Because I think it hard for that not to have occurred to you. Rather I think you're simply defending the chapter for defence sake. I think sanji simply following the value of his new father. Now, if you don't understand how much Zeff means to sanji, then you don't know sanji very well that's all. Zeff said sanji's hands are only for cooking so he will never fight using fist. Zeff said to never hurt woman, so sanji choose death over kicking a woman. If you would try to link between sanji's mother and his sister to his abused experience, i would argue that he was a child. He doesn't understand difference of "man" and "woman". If child isn't taught, he wouldn't know anything about it, and the first person to taught of it to sanji is Zeff. Thoughts? Do you honestly think anybody reading OP doesn't know that Sanji treasures Zeff or was that just a snide remark? That's absolutely false. Most people develop their internal biases during their childhoods. This would also be magnified if that child had a traumatic experience. In Sanji's case all the people who represented cruelty were males and the ones who represented kindness and gentleness were females. It's completely within reason for him to associate those traits instinctively by gender rather than by person on a subsconcious level before truly interacting with those people to find out who they really are. |
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