Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 21 Discussion

Aug 22, 2016 5:27 PM

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Buck_Wade said:

...Which is exactly why I never, NEVER avert my eyes from the screen when watching ANYTHING. Save for something like the elevator scene from Evangelion, EVERY sentence, and I mean, EVERY sentence, carries something:
A) Foreshadowing.

B) Hints to something.
C) A reveal.
D) A good moment between 2 characters having chemistry which help show how they see each other later on.
E) All of the above.

Truth! Just try and remember all the times Subaru said: Fanatical as a demon. Every time it was used it had a great, yet different effect on Rem's psyche towards Subaru.

I even forgot that detail in Re: Zero?! Jesus, how many foreshadowing and small bits that play big roles later on are there in this show?! I hope to GOD that Funimation doesn't end up being the one to dub it.

But yeah, with Rem being a demon, makes sense why she'd show more fondness to Subaru when he says something like that.

If this anime was an ordinary Shounen, I'm over 90% sure that almost everything would be pointed out. Though, while Re: Zero is a seinen, I can't see it easily appealing to full grown adults, unlike something like Monster.

Aug 22, 2016 5:35 PM

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Buck_Wade said:

Verifax said:

Truth! Just try and remember all the times Subaru said: Fanatical as a demon. Every time it was used it had a great, yet different effect on Rem's psyche towards Subaru.

I even forgot that detail in Re: Zero?! Jesus, how many foreshadowing and small bits that play big roles later on are there in this show?! I hope to GOD that Funimation doesn't end up being the one to dub it.

But yeah, with Rem being a demon, makes sense why she'd show more fondness to Subaru when he says something like that.

If this anime was an ordinary Shounen, I'm over 90% sure that almost everything would be pointed out. Though, while Re: Zero is a seinen, I can't see it easily appealing to full grown adults, unlike something like Monster.

I'd say Re:zero was a pretty weak story at the start. Both Subaru and Emilia don't act like very likeable characters and it all looks like a cliche show with an annoying MC. That alone would keep the ''mature'' audience at bay. What kept it interesting was the Return by death gimmick in the first episodes.

But yes, even something like how blurry Subaru's memories look in the first anime episodes, after his first death, are a hint to how strong his connection is to the witch, since he can clearly remember things after his second. Implying the effects of RBD change after succesive use.

What people need to understand is that the anime is doing A LOT with how much time it has, which naturally means very many details are shoehorned in, and thus get missed, or get relevant later.
I think Reinhard even said he got the same Sword saint blessing in episode 4, as apparently Theresia had gotten before him.

Aug 22, 2016 5:50 PM

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The believable suffering of a stubbourn-average guy in an impossible situation in episodes 13-18, culminating in #18's 'No Longer Human' rant x Rem therapy session (and excellent direction), had me convinced this series was special--not just another self insert anime-ANIME with 'shock->awe' lazy characterisation pish.

...then came ep19 and me becoming unconvinced sharpish. The previously hopeless / out of his depth mentally Subaru, supposedly off-screen, SOMEHOW worked out that Crusch - rather helpfully - wanted to kill the giant flying whale that had existed for centuries and just happens to be blocking his path. Also masterminding political maneuvering with a banker / money guy he'd seen in passing once in a previous life... and Anastasia? Not the most consistent writing for a character my eyes have seen, but I shrugged it off as being due to rushed pacing LN cuts.

.....THEN, in ep20, the budget had seemingly ran out as the flying whale was mostly static and looked rather silly without mist. And Subaru had jumped from one extreme to the other, officially: no longer hesitating in the face of death. Meanwhile, many flashbacks to an implausibly skinny/moe-faced swordswoman master that were meant to make me relate to an old man were shown.

Episode 21 was better, for sure, but Subaru's transition from "I DON'T WANNA DIE!" pathetic running from whale to coming up with a VERY anime 'wait, that word you said in unrelated convo... LIGHT.... IT'S EYE!!1!1!' deduction, followed by being very chill about being A) fired into the sky at high-speed and B) *SOMEHOW* perfectly landing on the sodding whale's horn, before a suicide jump in hope whale didn't eat him/Rem saved him... TOTALLY CONVINCING CHARACTER PROGRESSION.

The series has lost a lot of the respect it had built up in the space of a few underwhelming episodes. I do not buy this 'sped-up for entertainment x100' zero>hero characterisation one bit. And the Willy flashback in ep21 took the piss: apparently Willy decided the moment he was better with a sword than the moewaifu that saved him that she should be his sheltered princess and let him fight... 'cause he's male and she's not. Or sumat. After trying to pretend to assassinate her. Or sumat. Not sexist or random, that.

On the plus side, the Rem scene was nice and Subaru's angry twatface returned with the return of that wooden sword wielding knight. And Beetlejuice probably back next episode. But it seems the series is only good when Subaru is dying/falling. The rest is fake anime bollox.

...then c" I don't see the problem with it. Hasn't Subaru been always shown competent when he had the means? Negotiating with Rom and Felt. Convincing Rem to go with him to the forest and help the village kids. So he learned about Crusch buying weapons, the whale that's a calamity blocking the roads - having previously heard about Crusch wanting to not depending on the dragon (her concern for anothr great beast should count). Then was told about 'give and take' of Anastasia. So we can easily deduce that he went to Anastasia, that then negotiated with Russell, and then they all went to Crusch to finish their plans.

.....TH" I had heard that different directors from One Piece and Naruto were invited to participate in the directing of that episode... Must've been due to them. I think something similar happened in episode 9, where more inexperienced White Fox animators participated. ... Subaru was motivated to win. He'd not let weakness overcome him. There's been a pattern of he only falling into despair when devoid of hope. But he had everything going for him there. But this doesn't means that he's not afraid - he's simply putting up a façade. He's prideful and wouldn't want to show weakness. We've seen that in a scene in this episode he's clearly shown fear, right? So yeah.

Episode 21 w" The throwing and landing without proper gear was a stretch. But it's anime convenience. Subaru then jumping off? It was reckless and expected. Didn't he say before that he was gambling? He prepared himself for this. Again, Subaru's pride. He doesn't gives up easily. He appears brave, hiding his fears.

The series h" Someone explained you this already. But when young Wilhelm told Thearesia that, I was reminded of what Julius told Subaru about Emilia's expression. Was I the only one that was reminisced of this?

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Aug 22, 2016 5:51 PM

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I feel very sad for wilheLm, a episode full of emotions. I almost cry for him, and the most funny thing is that we just see like 3 scenes with her wife, and that almost touch my hearth. wow.

And this point i cant understand why the author would be so cruel to make Rem so best girl, knowing that Subaru will end with Emilia. At this rate, I cant think what can EVER do Emilia to just be at the level of Rem.

Aug 22, 2016 5:59 PM

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Nitralon said:
I feel very sad for wilheLm, a episode full of emotions. I almost cry for him, and the most funny thing is that we just see like 3 scenes with her wife, and that almost touch my hearth. wow.

And this point i cant understand why the author would be so cruel to make Rem so best girl, knowing that Subaru will end with Emilia. At this rate, I cant think what can EVER do Emilia to just be at the level of Rem.

This has been said over and over by now, and also by Subaru: He has both a n1 and a n2 girl in his life. He wont' just ''end'' up with 1 of both, but both the way things are going. Unless one of them permadies, or Emilia is somehow Satella or I dunno.

A good start to make Emilia loved again, is to give her some screentime at the very least :D. The omission of Rem from the final episodes (since she's spent) means we will probably get more Emilia.

Aug 22, 2016 6:00 PM

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Verifax said:

Buck_Wade said:

I even forgot that detail in Re: Zero?! Jesus, how many foreshadowing and small bits that play big roles later on are there in this show?! I hope to GOD that Funimation doesn't end up being the one to dub it.

But yeah, with Rem being a demon, makes sense why she'd show more fondness to Subaru when he says something like that.

If this anime was an ordinary Shounen, I'm over 90% sure that almost everything would be pointed out. Though, while Re: Zero is a seinen, I can't see it easily appealing to full grown adults, unlike something like Monster.

I'd say Re:zero was a pretty weak story at the start. Both Subaru and Emilia don't act like very likeable characters and it all looks like a cliche show with an annoying MC. That alone would keep the ''mature'' audience at bay. What kept it interesting was the Return by death gimmick in the first episodes.

But yes, even something like how blurry Subaru's memories look in the first anime episodes, after his first death, are a hint to how strong his connection is to the witch, since he can clearly remember things after his second. Implying the effects of RBD change after succesive use.

What people need to understand is that the anime is doing A LOT with how much time it has, which naturally means very many details are shoehorned in, and thus get missed, or get relevant later.
I think Reinhard even said he got the same Sword saint blessing in episode 4, as apparently Theresia had gotten before him.

Interesting, since I disagree. Subaru and Emilia were cliche, but really freaking likeable. Ironically, for me, Subaru became much more likeable as his unlikeable side was shown.

Actually the reason for White Fox adapting the source material almost perfectly (from what I know) is most likely due to backlash for the Akame Ga Kill anime, where they went on an original route.

Wel, Reinhard looks extremely similar to Theresia, and most importantly, has the same last name, so it won't be a surprise if it turns out he like, took the torch.

Aug 22, 2016 6:09 PM

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Buck_Wade said:

Verifax said:

I'd say Re:zero was a pretty weak story at the start. Both Subaru and Emilia don't act like very likeable characters and it all looks like a cliche show with an annoying MC. That alone would keep the ''mature'' audience at bay. What kept it interesting was the Return by death gimmick in the first episodes.

But yes, even something like how blurry Subaru's memories look in the first anime episodes, after his first death, are a hint to how strong his connection is to the witch, since he can clearly remember things after his second. Implying the effects of RBD change after succesive use.

What people need to understand is that the anime is doing A LOT with how much time it has, which naturally means very many details are shoehorned in, and thus get missed, or get relevant later.
I think Reinhard even said he got the same Sword saint blessing in episode 4, as apparently Theresia had gotten before him.

Interesting, since I disagree. Subaru and Emilia were cliche, but really freaking likeable. Ironically, for me, Subaru became much more likeable as his unlikeable side was shown.

Actually the reason for White Fox adapting the source material almost perfectly (from what I know) is most likely due to backlash for the Akame Ga Kill anime, where they went on an original route.

Wel, Reinhard looks extremely similar to Theresia, and most importantly, has the same last name, so it won't be a surprise if it turns out he like, took the torch.

Oh he took the torch already I think. I just meant to say that the infodump on The astrea family and the status of master swordsman, that became relevant for Theresia's story, were already given by Reinhard in episode 4.

I don't personally think they were unlikeable, but Emilia acted really weird in the first episodes. Since she was trying her damndest to seem like a tsundere who was only helping Subaru because she ''was repaying a debt''. When in reality she's just a super nice person. I get why she was acting this way, because she doesn't want to endanger anyone, and she knows she's hated/has a long path before her etc etc.

Seemingly, though it was all ''cliche'' behaviour. I can only state the above after seeing Emilia in the election arc.

As for Subaru, he was doing those weird poses and spamming meta theories about fantasy worlds. Truly the epitome of a self-insert protagonist without much real personality. You could see he was a nice kid, but that was about it.

Tl;dr it didn't seem like too much at first imo.

As for Akame ga kill, they were adapting the source material, until there wasn't any left. (Until like episode 16 or 17 in the anime) After that they got an outline of how the story would go from the author and filled in the gaps themselves. The manga is very similiar to the direction of the non cannon ending, but with good writing.

Aug 22, 2016 6:17 PM

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Verifax said:

Buck_Wade said:

Verifax said:

Buck_Wade said:

Verifax said:

Buck_Wade said:

Verifax said:
Yea I may come off as presumptious when I claim to know things. But really, nearly every single sentence in the anime is of importance. without it a lot of subtext, to properly understand events is missed. As this ''discussion'' has proven.

...Which is exactly why I never, NEVER avert my eyes from the screen when watching ANYTHING. Save for something like the elevator scene from Evangelion, EVERY sentence, and I mean, EVERY sentence, carries something:
A) Foreshadowing.

B) Hints to something.
C) A reveal.
D) A good moment between 2 characters having chemistry which help show how they see each other later on.
E) All of the above.

Truth! Just try and remember all the times Subaru said: Fanatical as a demon. Every time it was used it had a great, yet different effect on Rem's psyche towards Subaru.

I even forgot that detail in Re: Zero?! Jesus, how many foreshadowing and small bits that play big roles later on are there in this show?! I hope to GOD that Funimation doesn't end up being the one to dub it.

But yeah, with Rem being a demon, makes sense why she'd show more fondness to Subaru when he says something like that.

If this anime was an ordinary Shounen, I'm over 90% sure that almost everything would be pointed out. Though, while Re: Zero is a seinen, I can't see it easily appealing to full grown adults, unlike something like Monster.

I'd say Re:zero was a pretty weak story at the start. Both Subaru and Emilia don't act like very likeable characters and it all looks like a cliche show with an annoying MC. That alone would keep the ''mature'' audience at bay. What kept it interesting was the Return by death gimmick in the first episodes.

But yes, even something like how blurry Subaru's memories look in the first anime episodes, after his first death, are a hint to how strong his connection is to the witch, since he can clearly remember things after his second. Implying the effects of RBD change after succesive use.

What people need to understand is that the anime is doing A LOT with how much time it has, which naturally means very many details are shoehorned in, and thus get missed, or get relevant later.
I think Reinhard even said he got the same Sword saint blessing in episode 4, as apparently Theresia had gotten before him.

Interesting, since I disagree. Subaru and Emilia were cliche, but really freaking likeable. Ironically, for me, Subaru became much more likeable as his unlikeable side was shown.

Actually the reason for White Fox adapting the source material almost perfectly (from what I know) is most likely due to backlash for the Akame Ga Kill anime, where they went on an original route.

Wel, Reinhard looks extremely similar to Theresia, and most importantly, has the same last name, so it won't be a surprise if it turns out he like, took the torch.

Oh he took the torch already I think. I just meant to say that the infodump on The astrea family and the status of master swordsman, that became relevant for Theresia's story, were already given by Reinhard in episode 4.

I don't personally think they were unlikeable, but Emilia acted really weird in the first episodes. Since she was trying her damndest to seem like a tsundere who was only helping Subaru because she ''was repaying a debt''. When in reality she's just a super nice person. I get why she was acting this way, because she doesn't want to endanger anyone, and she knows she's hated/has a long path before her etc etc.

Seemingly, though it was all ''cliche'' behaviour. I can only state the above after seeing Emilia in the election arc.

As for Subaru, he was doing those weird poses and spamming meta theories about fantasy worlds. Truly the epitome of a self-insert protagonist without much real personality. You could see he was a nice kid, but that was about it.

Tl;dr it didn't seem like too much at first imo.

As for Akame ga kill, they were adapting the source material, until there wasn't any left. (Until like episode 16 or 17 in the anime) After that they got an outline of how the story would go from the author and filled in the gaps themselves. The manga is very similiar to the direction of the non cannon ending, but with good writing.

Ah, okay.

I will admit that it was hilarious how when Subaru expected to be the hero in the beginning, things didn't go the way he expected. He didn't show any powers, so he looked like a moron. And the way he was about to jump in to save someone from getting run over only for a stranger knight to pop up, dang.

Still unbelievable how that, "nice kid" has mentally toughened up to the point where he doesn't panick whatsoever when 2 more whales appear and everyone loses their shiz. He's just like, "Like hell I'm going into depression again because 2 more mother*bleep*ing whales appeared. Let's do this shit!"

I don't remember anything about any info dump of an astrea family in ep 4, just that Reinhard was called the master swordsman.

Aug 22, 2016 6:30 PM

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