Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 21 Discussion

Mentar said:


I'd say that it's simply because after torturing him as a ragdoll, the author now wants him to be a glorious hero. The author just doesn't care about making a gradual development anymore (like he did in arcs 1+2), he is simply going for maximum impact. Think Geass second season, where the jumps in the story for pure shock value got more and more ridiculous, too.

But that was just a sidenote: My real point was that a person falling from the sky cannot be saved by pulling him _down_ with a ball and chain. Then again, why bother mentioning this in a Bond movie? It's not supposed to make sense, only to look cool. This scene was all flash and no brain.



Yes, but it was so 100% predictable (see last episode's discussion) that any emotional impact was lost for me. It was a mere "and there he is".



The first time, using the witch as aggro boost was clever. The second time, it was embedded in a ridiculous over-the-top scene (which you seemed to perceive as heroic instead). So our mileage will vary.



Why was a tree of this size there? How long would it take to cut it (instead of blowing it to smithereens) via magical barrage? How big is the probability to have this huge tree fall at the whale just at the right time? Besides, the tree's diameter was smaller than the whale's length. I'd have given it the benefit of doubt if they had cut the tree _first_ and Subaru had "pulled" the Whale into the path of the falling tree, but that's not how it was.

That's my main gripe: This scene may be creative, but it is so totally absurd that it can only be watched with a gigantic suspension of disbelief. It was a Bond movie resolution. And the crises in arc 1+2 were not.



Contrast his actions with his utter urgency to get to the village and Emilia as quickly as possible. "I NEED TO HURRY" was _the_ main message, and lo and behold, he was right! Only when he rushed like a madman he was able to reach them in time, and even after escaping the whale, he still ran into Cultists.

Now, he shows zero urgency. It's as if the cultists (who at least to my knowledge shouldn't be hindered by the whale's demise) would now be required to wait until Subaru has completed his victory lap. You don't find this inconsistency jarring at all?



This entire issue was already resolved between the two in episode 18. Nothing has changed between Rem and Subaru, it was no temporary pact until they defeated the whale. They already had made an understanding there (in a way which I really liked, this scene was well-done!)

To reheat this scene yet again felt extremely corny to me. It lessens Rem as a character in my eyes, gradually reducing her from awesome independent person to trophy fan-maid. And I feel that the author did it because after all the torture porn, he wanted to celebrate Subaru as an uber-hero now. No matter that he had to do that in an overblown way that would make Pierce Brosnan blush.



It was one more convenient cop-out, because the author felt "uhhh, maybe I should toss in an explanation why the cultists are still not murdering everybody while Subaru is being praised by Crusch and cuddling with Rem". But it doesn't help, because Subaru should have shown urgency BEFORE he learned about it. Again, consistency.

So, to summarize: In this arc, the story changed from being mysterious and credible to being haphazard and blatant (torture porn to uber-awesome). It also made me understand that it's not really Subaru which is rubbing me the wrong way, but rather the Author's "jump from one extreme to the other for flashiness" storytelling. "Zero to Hero in a Day" isn't my cup of tea.

I'll still continue to watch the show eagerly on the same day it comes out (a claim only 2 more shows can make), but if this current "reality be damned" trend continues, I'd find it extremely regrettable.

Ando- said:
So many good things from this episode!

It sucks that Subaru still has a hatred towards Julius, since Julius wasn't really in the wrong back then. I hope this doesn't hold Subaru's character back too much. I'm excited to see how they start to get along (hopefully they do) throughout these last four episodes.

RayAdha said:
One of the best raid battle I've ever seen

I kinda wanna see an OVA about Wilhelm's past

subaru mentioned about #1 and #2, so Subaru's personal top 3 girls are...
#1 Emilia
#2 Rem
#3 Crusch(?)

Screw that.....Crusch should be the #1

RayAdha said:
One of the best raid battle I've ever seen

I kinda wanna see an OVA about Wilhelm's past

subaru mentioned about #1 and #2, so Subaru's personal top 3 girls are...
#1 Emilia
#2 Rem
#3 Crusch(?)

Screw that.....Crusch should be the #1

Darkdarkai said:
Does any one have a link for the english translation of the WN/LN i really need to read it, it will help me to wait until season 2

Sam1198777 said:
Should i spoil myself right now that i've held out for so long or should i wait it out till the anime ends? Are there more shocking/surprising turns that warrant that or should i just go ahead? i know its weird to ask lol but i really cant wait out any longer

G_Spark233 said:

I think it's probably better to wait. There are going to be some massive twists towards the end.

Jaridan said:
and this episode we complete our knowledge on how to beat a white wale in it's natural habitat.

shoutout to redditor Xlauncher https://www.reddit.com/user/XLauncher

White Whale (Mythic)

By Natsuki Subaru

The White Whale is an undefeated world boss that can spawn at Flugel's Tree around 1 AM. Battling it is a large undertaking that requires no less than a full and balanced raid of skilled players. Once you've assembled your desired party, meet up at Flugel's Tree and use the metia, <Nokia 6133> to summon the boss.

Phase 1 - 100% - 80%

The battle begins with the pull, which is tricky in of itself. In order to give yourself the best odds of victory, the boss should be kited. Due to the fact that the White Whale will attack from far out of melee range, your kiter should have some means of generating aggro from range. A Shadow specced Hikkomori with a maxed out Witch's Whispers is ideal. Given that Witch's Whispers can only be used a finite amount of times before the caster succumbs to the stacking debuff, it's recommended to either have a second Hikkomori to trade off taunts with, or to pair one Hikkomori with a Best Girl with Al Huma talented for range. As the White Whale can one shot any character, the kiter's level is unimportant.

The kiter should engage on a mount, in advance of the raid. Once aggro is secure, the raid's ranged attackers should open fire and use all trinkets and cooldowns immediately. Melee should operate turrets to the best of their abilities.

Phase 1 is relatively easy and its smooth commission should be an afterthought.

Phase 2 - 80% - 70%

During this phase, the White Whale will not hold a main target, but will still respond to taunt mechanics, however, your melee will be able to mount the boss for direct attacks, so moving the boss carelessly should be avoided. The melee should engage the boss' weak spots and use cooldowns liberally. Ranged should continue as they did in Phase 1.

Phase 3 - 70% - 50%

The White Whale will descend and blanket the field in a white fog. Players who stand in the fog will accrue stacks of Madness. Once Madness reaches five stacks, it will root them in place and cause them to suffer 31050-39890 damage per 2 seconds until the player dies or is cleansed. Healers should prioritize cleansing Madness.

In addition to Madness, an untargetable add, Magic Fog, will move throughout the mist. Players struck by this will be immediately killed and incapable of being battle rezzed. It is of paramount importance to avoid being struck by this, even it it means accruing stacks of Madness.

The kiter should resume their role for this phase and lure the White Whale away from the raid while the healers deal with the initial wave of Madness. And players who avoided accruing stacks should give chase and attack the White Whale as it pursues the kiter.

Phase 4 - 50% - ??

The White Whale will summon clones of itself, each with its own aggro table. At this point, you're really just kinda fucked.
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White Whale (Mythic) (cont'd)

By Natsuki Subaru

Special Note: At this time, rumours that Magic Fog is bugged, and in fact deletes your character data from the server have been confirmed by [GM] Daphne. Engage the White Whale in this state at your own peril.

Phase 4 - 50% - 10%

The White Whale will create two copies of itself while its real self will remain out of reach above the field. The two clones are weaker than the original and thus, can be tanked. The clones should be distracted and tanked apart to make it easier for the raid to avoid Magic Fog. Any players who are swallowed by a clone can be recovered if ~200k damage is dealt to that clone within twenty seconds, so the raid should be prepared to switch targets in order to preserve party members.

Once the real White Whale is defeated, its clones will disperse, ending the battle, so the primary concern is pulling the White Whale from its perch in the sky in order to finish it off. In order to accomplish this, you will need to launch a player with a powerful taunt into the White Whale's range. It's likely that this is intended to be accomplished with one of the catapults, however, the Hikkomori and Best Girl combo from before can accomplish this through the use of their native abilities. Additionally, if the Best Girl has points invested into Heaven's Pillows, the Hikkomori's fall damage can be negated.

Phase 5 - 10% - 0%

Mostly a victory lap phase, however, it is imperative that your players fending off the clones remain on point until the battle's conclusion.

Once the White Whale returns to the ground, Flugel's Tree becomes a destructible feature. Interact with it to pin the White Whale. The White Whale will not be able to act while pin, so all raid members not on clone duty should unload with abandon.

Loot (Incomplete)

Theresia's Lei
Neck
+318 Primary
+145 Secondary
"Do you like flowers?"

Moby's Left Eye
Off-Hand
+250 Primary
+98 Secondary
+200 Tenacity

Vapor Rub
Trinket
+300 Primary
Use: Discards all threat from engaged enemies. (3 min cooldown)

FlameHaze19 said:
So much for hoping that Subaru would send out a distress call using his metia to Itami @ Alnus D:



Thus the JSDF fought in Lugunica TOO

remrin said:


REMBARU SHIP (sort of) SAILING AGAIN!!

So Subaru's list should now be;

#1 REM
#2 CRUSCH
#3 Reinhard
#100 ..Emilia.

exLightning said:
Proof Rem is best girl...

Emilia MAL favourites: 1485 (at this current time)

Rem MAL favourites: 5125! (at this current time)

It isn't even a competition, Make Rem the next ruler in the royal election make the whole show about Rem! Make Subaru see the light!

Also awesome episode, Was a little worried he'd might have to start over again when I saw more White Whales but I'm glad they got past it in style, Shame Rem won't be joining him but that's alright I'm just glad she's still alive after the last confrontation with the White Whale. Love the little mini story with Wilhelm, They used a good amount of small clips that it didn't interrupt the battle but kept his motivation in check and made it a bit emotional.

As usual looking forward to whatever comes next, This show is so enjoyable for me, It's going to suck when it's over but I'll move over to the manga when that happens.

Shrimperor said:

nah, nr.1 is obviously

with Nr.2 being

AnimeSayWhat said:

Well i do understand what you mean. But still..
It's anime it should appeal us viewers not make us frustrated.
In my opinion re:zero tried to be a little bit to realistic in couple of episodes that's why it got so much hate.
Subaru was behaving to realistically to situations happening around him not allot of anime's do that.

rorimoe said:
So someone please tell me what is Subaru ideal again I want to feel for him but all the reason keeps him going forward...is lovestruckshit.

He even rabking his waifu number 123 that is very uncomfortable to hear

There is nothing about the person called Subaru, nothing at all, his ideal, his reason his thought. It is kinda hard to feel not because it is bad, but because there is nothing interesting about Subaru, not until we realised his reason and idea. He just does not give up because he doesnt want to give up and that is it nothing about his vision or dream how he want to change everything about this world to suit his ideal

I'll try my best 1 more ep, Im so tired already thinking that Subaru has so much potential, yet now he just plain boring and bland as tap water.

Tylaen said:
Whenever this show attempts to be "grand", it's just a snore.

Old man flashbacks are still boring, extremely basic and ultimately pointless.

Shrimperor said:

nah, nr.1 is obviously

with Nr.2 being

Verifax said:


Grand? wouldn't you say it's the opposite? They defeated the white whale and instead of accentuating the impact of the last blow, the show instead gives extra focus to the emotional side.

Unfortunately you don't give a fuck about the character?(s), but I don't know if that means the flashbacks were objectively boring.
They were basic though, since even the author made a spinoff novel featuring Theresia and Wilhelm.

rorimoe said:
So someone please tell me what is Subaru ideal again I want to feel for him but all the reason keeps him going forward...is lovestruckshit.

He even rabking his waifu number 123 that is very uncomfortable to hear

There is nothing about the person called Subaru, nothing at all, his ideal, his reason his thought. It is kinda hard to feel not because it is bad, but because there is nothing interesting about Subaru, not until we realised his reason and idea. He just does not give up because he doesnt want to give up and that is it nothing about his vision or dream how he want to change everything about this world to suit his ideal

I'll try my best 1 more ep, Im so tired already thinking that Subaru has so much potential, yet now he just plain boring and bland as tap water.