Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| Just fyi guys, Subaru is on some straight up Don Quixote shit a lot of the time. Its a wonderful combination of mental derangement x epic failure. It manages to be sad and hilarious all at the same time. And add to that the bizarre postmodern setting which adds all the stress and confusion to Subaru's mind, and also opens infinite possibilities, perhaps some influence by Nietsczhe and Freud, some trope subversion, and yeah there's a lot of interesting things going on here. I'm actually surprised so many people are just feeling plain irritation at Subaru's actions. I mean, not only are they logically understandable, but they're quite interesting and as I said its sad and funny in a Quixotic sense. I think its plain to see the author has taken a lot of influence from the great Western classics, I mean Quixote seems to be central but we obviously also have a bit of Moby Dick and Dante's Inferno etc. Pretty cool to see in an anime. If you're not getting much out of it you might want to ask yourself whether or not you're putting enough in. Works like this require an open mind and a bit of effort to appreciate. |
LayedBackAug 22, 2016 10:56 AM
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I only have 3 things to say:
Bonus: The face Subaru made when Julius appeared xD His face deformed of rage. |
bajingloncat said: SAVAGE are you shipping between Human and food? Whale-chan already butchered, poor him #Hakugei_life_matter i don't know what kind of creature is, the no.1 Puck, from Dota2 :p |
| This show really has amazing women. Crusch definitely shot up as one of my favorites - she was a great leader and her exchange with Subaru at the end was heartwarming. That was a great battle, so Re:Zero seems to be making up for all that bullshit we had to put up with. It's nice to see the fruits of Subaru's growth as a person. Also I'm not a big shipper in this show...but these two are adorable: |
They really do a great job showing his emotional states on his face. They are sometimes so swift, extreme and ugly its almost jarring coming from an MC character like that. But it really gets the point across how he's constantly just on the edge and a little unhinged no matter how well he may seem to be doing on any given day. |
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| Really loved Subaru in this episode, and the Rem and Subaru scene @_@ Wilhelm and Thearesia are a real OTP !!!!! the kissing scene really killed me :o |
| Ah I just thought of another potential influence: The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. I have no clue whether or not the author has read it, but its also about a guy who gets transported to another world and is destined to be a hero, however this guy happens to be a leper with a lot of mental issues and so he constantly fucks up, things go horribly wrong for him but he learns from his mistakes and somehow through it all he manages to actually become a hero by the end. Anyway it seems like most people here just want to continue talking about their ordinary vapid BS shipping wishes instead of this, so I'm out. Hopefully at least one or two might find that parallel interesting though. Certainly its worth reading to anyone who likes Zero for its psychological and thematic side. |
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LayedBack said: Ah I just thought of another potential influence: The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. I have no clue whether or not the author has read it, but its also about a guy who gets transported to another world and is destined to be a hero, however this guy happens to be a leper with a lot of mental issues and so he constantly fucks up, things go horribly wrong for him but he learns from his mistakes and somehow through it all he manages to actually become a hero by the end. Anyway it seems like most people here just want to continue talking about their ordinary vapid BS shipping wishes instead of this, so I'm out. Hopefully at least one or two might find that parallel interesting though. Certainly its worth reading to anyone who likes Zero for its psychological and thematic side. Thank you for the sharing and I had to admit it is indeed intriguing to see Re:Zero shares similar ideas from classical literature! Nagatsuki Tappei, the author, in my opinion, shares similar or more brutal treatment for his characters like Urobuchi Gen (aka Urobutcher) if it means better story development. He got tired of the reused ideas and plots from all the present isekai(transport to another world) stories that he loves and decides to write one himself. In fact Tappei got his inspiration for the story as well as Subaru's misery while dicing meat as a butcher IRL:) |
| WHY ISNT THERE A PREVIEW OF THE NEXT EP IN THE END. anyways, i seriously hate the fact that he cant tell them what is happening to him, like it gets on my nerve, some weird curse, im really excited till when he gets to fight those ass wizards, they really interested me especially when those arms fly through the air and yea, excited for the next ep. |
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| Someone posted a comment on a different website, stating that Wilhelm is essentially anime Chuck Norris. I mean, he survived so much and is still ready to keep going. In my opinion he has earned the title of "Badass" and anyone who wished to have the same title, should achieve a feat as big and amazing as his. |
UnTaMeDGerble said: Someone posted a comment on a different website, stating that Wilhelm is essentially anime Chuck Norris. I mean, he survived so much and is still ready to keep going. In my opinion he has earned the title of "Badass" and anyone who wished to have the same title, should achieve a feat as big and amazing as his. It's pretty perplexing considering everything that happened, but his injuries weren't even that bad. Also, unlike Rem he hasn't been spamming magic which means his body didn't get exhausted either. His efforts became even more gripping to me, once I read what the poster Mitrospeed had to say on Wilhelm and Theresia on this website http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3043567&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=825 Truly a badass in more than one way. |
I LOVE YOU SO MUCH HAHAHAHAAHAHAA |
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| "Thanks for the treat" - Rem, after being motorboated by Subaru |
| Oh boy, guess the crap Subaru has been through has given him the strength to push, despite how bad the situation looks. He managed to figure out it made doubles around the same time I did, when he heard it was lighter. And Subaru really shined in this battle, seriously, now that he's not completely crazy and falling apart, he's a seriously awesome guy despite his flaws. Finishing the whale off with the tree was one heck of a way to kill it, and one I'm happy with. Second half of the episode was also absolutely fantastic with more of Wilhelm's back story and all plus all the happy bonding. Everything is going so well up to the end, now to just hope Subaru can keep his crap together a little bit longer.. And Rem is still the greatest person in this anime, as well as just one of the greatest characters ever. "The only one who may sniff Subaru-kun is me!" will sound weird to me no matter what kind of situation they're in, but I'm still perfectly okay with that. |
A Wild and Small Otaku has Appeared! |
| I guess that's one use for breasts (always a pleasure seeing Rem's airbags in action). Nevertheless, that observation aside, she and Subaru did fight well. Though, Wilhelm stole the spotlight (given his sheer destructive power). |
| Wilhelm you are real men!! good job! Also Rem is just perfect. :) |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| lol. Never thought that telling the truth would kill the whale. So Subaru could just kill anyone with only whispering the truth? |
LayedBack said: They really do a great job showing his emotional states on his face. They are sometimes so swift, extreme and ugly its almost jarring coming from an MC character like that. But it really gets the point across how he's constantly just on the edge and a little unhinged no matter how well he may seem to be doing on any given day. I can't deny that. They really do know how to portray emotions. Good guys of WhiteFox =) |
| The believable suffering of a stubbourn-average guy in an impossible situation in episodes 13-18, culminating in #18's 'No Longer Human' rant x Rem therapy session (and excellent direction), had me convinced this series was special--not just another self insert anime-ANIME with 'shock->awe' lazy characterisation pish. ...then came ep19 and me becoming unconvinced sharpish. The previously hopeless / out of his depth mentally Subaru, supposedly off-screen, SOMEHOW worked out that Crusch - rather helpfully - wanted to kill the giant flying whale that had existed for centuries and just happens to be blocking his path. Also masterminding political maneuvering with a banker / money guy he'd seen in passing once in a previous life... and Anastasia? Not the most consistent writing for a character my eyes have seen, but I shrugged it off as being due to rushed pacing LN cuts. .....THEN, in ep20, the budget had seemingly ran out as the flying whale was mostly static and looked rather silly without mist. And Subaru had jumped from one extreme to the other, officially: no longer hesitating in the face of death. Meanwhile, many flashbacks to an implausibly skinny/moe-faced swordswoman master that were meant to make me relate to an old man were shown. Episode 21 was better, for sure, but Subaru's transition from "I DON'T WANNA DIE!" pathetic running from whale to coming up with a VERY anime 'wait, that word you said in unrelated convo... LIGHT.... IT'S EYE!!1!1!' deduction, followed by being very chill about being A) fired into the sky at high-speed and B) *SOMEHOW* perfectly landing on the sodding whale's horn, before a suicide jump in hope whale didn't eat him/Rem saved him... TOTALLY CONVINCING CHARACTER PROGRESSION. The series has lost a lot of the respect it had built up in the space of a few underwhelming episodes. I do not buy this 'sped-up for entertainment x100' zero>hero characterisation one bit. And the Willy flashback in ep21 took the piss: apparently Willy decided the moment he was better with a sword than the moewaifu that saved him that she should be his sheltered princess and let him fight... 'cause he's male and she's not. Or sumat. After trying to pretend to assassinate her. Or sumat. Not sexist or random, that. On the plus side, the Rem scene was nice and Subaru's angry twatface returned with the return of that wooden sword wielding knight. And Beetlejuice probably back next episode. But it seems the series is only good when Subaru is dying/falling. The rest is fake anime bollox. |
AironicallyHumanAug 22, 2016 3:49 PM
AironicallyHuman said: The believable suffering of a stubbourn-average guy in an impossible situation in episodes 13-18, culminating in #18's 'No Longer Human' rant x Rem therapy session (and excellent direction), had me convinced this series was special--not just another self insert anime-ANIME with 'shock->awe' lazy characterisation pish. ...then came ep19 and me becoming unconvinced sharpish. The previously hopeless / out of his depth mentally Subaru, supposedly off-screen, SOMEHOW worked out that Crusch rather helpfully wanted to kill the a giant whale that has existed for centuries and just happens to be blocking his path. Also masterminding political maneuvering with a banker / money guy he'd seen in passing once in a previous life... and Anastasia? Not the most consistent writing for a character my eyes have seen, but I shrugged it off as being due to rushed pacing LN cuts. .....THEN, in ep20, the budget had seemingly ran out as the flying whale was mostly static and looked rather silly without mist. And Subaru had jumped from one extreme to the other, officially: no longer hesitating in the face of death. Meanwhile, many of to an implausibly skinny/moe-faced swordswoman master that was meant to make me relate to an old man. Episode 21 was better, for sure, but Subaru's transition from "I DON'T WANNA DIE!" pathetic running from whale to coming up with a VERY anime 'wait, that word you said in unrelated convo... LIGHT.... IT'S EYE!!1!1!' deduction, followed by being very chill about being A) fired into the sky at high-speed and B) *SOMEHOW* perfectly landing on the sodding whale's horn, before a suicide jump in hope whale didn't eat him/Rem saved him... TOTALLY CONVINCING CHARACTER PROGRESSION. The series has lost a lot of the respect it had built up in the space of a few underwhelming episodes. I do not buy this 'sped-up for entertainment x100' zero>hero characterisation one bit. And the Willy flashback in ep21 took the piss: apparently Willy decided the moment he was better with a sword than the moewaifu that saved him that she should be his sheltered princess and let him fight... 'cause he's male and she's not. Or sumat. After trying to pretend to assassinate her. Or sumat. Not sexist or random, that. On the plus side, the Rem scene was nice and Subaru's angry twatface returned with the return of that wooden sword wielding knight. And Beetlejuice probably back next episode. But it seems the series is only good when Subaru is dying/falling. The rest is fake anime bollox. Well.. here we go. Epi 19: Yes, there were a lot of time constraint cuts. The LN gave a lot more information about how Subaru realized everything. But really the things he did weren't all that farfetched considering everything he experienced in all the previous loops. He also took all the advice to heart. Anastasia is a consistent character because she acts solely on the basis of a good trade. Since Subaru was capable of forming coherent thoughts cause he wasn't raging in episode 19, he could actually convince all the parties. Also Subaru was always brave when he knew he had a chance. Unless you forgot arc 1 and 2 ofcourse. He didn't have a chance back in epi 17. As for episode 21 he said it himself, he was inspired to keep on fighting cause he knew he could depend on people like Wilhelm. And the landing wasn't so hard. given that the whale was STATIONARY. I don't know if you can be convinced that the backstory between Wilhelm and Theresia had any worth, since you don't even seem to try to truly understand what this story is telling you. If you want to make an effort http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3043567&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=825 Read Mitrospeed's post. |
Verifax said: Anastasia is a consistent character because she acts solely on the basis of a good trade. Since Subaru was capable of forming coherent thoughts cause he wasn't raging in episode 19, he could actually convince all the parties. Show me this scene where he convinced Anastasia he was trustworthy: the same character that previously shot him down, explaining how he had already given himself a a bad reputation and he needed to change that first... what, you say it was cut / not included? NEVERMIND. Verifax said: Also Subaru was always brave when he knew he had a chance. Unless you forgot arc 1 and 2 ofcourse. He didn't have a chance back in epi 17. Tbh, I'd rather focus on the far more relevant third arc where Subaru was humiliated and generally traumtised to the point of tears. And his last interaction with the giant flying whale he now doesn't fear, whilst a trained army cower in fear. Subaru was reckless, not brave, and he was given a taste of reality he hadn't before in this arc. Verifax said: As for episode 21 he said it himself, he was inspired to keep on fighting cause he knew he could depend on people like Wilhelm. And the landing wasn't so hard. given that the whale was STATIONARY. Wilhelm was eaten. The giant flying whale was STATIONARY because it wasn't animated. Flying creatures tend to move. Don't use animation to justify being cannonball'd into the air in the hope of a precision landing. I'd like to see you try if it wasn't that hard--I'd shoot you into the sky happily myself, even. Esp when Subaru has no experience with, say, parachuting or falling to his doom from the sky. I don't know if you can be convinced that the backstory between Wilhelm and Theresia had any worth, since you don't even seem to try to truly understand what this story is telling you. The backstory is telling me Wilhem remembers his 15yo looking wife very clearly, wants revenge and has a very sexist view of women being knights when they are pretty. What else was I meant to grasp, based on what was shown? By referring me to a LN-related wall of text, you are admitting the problem is not my own, fyi. |
AironicallyHumanAug 22, 2016 4:06 PM
| An intensely satisfying episode! Finally something good happens! So much to say about this episode. The battle was great, Subaru was badass, Willhiem got his revenge, and it was all really emotional. I'm very happy they didn't kill him off just like that. I also want to point out how incredibly well they handled his flashbacks. They didn't feel like they intruded on the immediate story at all, they were short but have us a ton of info, and best of all they were very well integrated into the episodes themselves. Just another thing ReZero gets right. Using the tree to kill the whale was genius, but I can't help but feel bad for the tree. If I didn't know any better, I would think this is a love story between Subaru and Rem. Especially when they cuddled at the end. It almost makes me want to change ships. Almost. This was one of the best episodes the series has to offer so far. Everything about it was very well executed. Now the real battle begins next week. Oh no, captain Asshole McDouche-Bag is back. |
| That Wilhelm and Therisia moment and that kiss... UGHH my heart!! I cried like a baby T~T And that Rem and Subaru moment... UGHH my heart again!! Btw I ship both Emilia and Rem. After all, Subaru is a great man. He deserves to have two beautiful womans as his wife, right?? I'm pretty sure he will treat them fairly. Anyway, next ep is going to be epic, I think Subaru is going to be reckless again now that his rival appeared again or that they will finally be friends? XD And only four more weeks of my ReZero dose.... NOOOOOOOO!!! (That was the scream of an addicted fan. The scream of DESPAIR) |
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AironicallyHuman said: Verifax said: Anastasia is a consistent character because she acts solely on the basis of a good trade. Since Subaru was capable of forming coherent thoughts cause he wasn't raging in episode 19, he could actually convince all the parties. Show me this scene where he convinced Anastasia he was trustworthy: the same character that previously shot him down, explaining how he had already given himself a a bad reputation and he needed to change that first... what, you say it was cut / not included? NEVERMIND. Verifax said: Also Subaru was always brave when he knew he had a chance. Unless you forgot arc 1 and 2 ofcourse. He didn't have a chance back in epi 17. Tbh, I'd rather focus on the far more relevant third arc where Subaru was humiliated and generally traumtised to the point of tears. And his last interaction with the giant flying whale he now doesn't fear, whilst a trained army cower in fear. Subaru was reckless, not brave, and he was given a taste of reality he hadn't before in this arc. Verifax said: As for episode 21 he said it himself, he was inspired to keep on fighting cause he knew he could depend on people like Wilhelm. And the landing wasn't so hard. given that the whale was STATIONARY. Wilhelm was eaten. The giant flying whale was STATIONARY because it wasn't animated. Flying creatures tend to move. Don't use animation to justify being cannonball'd into the air in the hope of a precision landing. I'd like to see you try if it wasn't that hard--I'd shoot you into the sky happily myself, even. Esp when Subaru has no experience with, say, parachuting or falling to his doom from the sky. I don't know if you can be convinced that the backstory between Wilhelm and Theresia had any worth, since you don't even seem to try to truly understand what this story is telling you. The backstory is telling me Wilhem remembers his 15yo looking wife very clearly, wants revenge and has a very sexist view of women being knights when they are pretty. What else was I meant to grasp? I give up, I'm too lazy and incompetent to convince you on the plausibility of every scene. Ill just say this. He wasn't being sexist, not in the slighest. He disliked Theresia's conduct because she HATED wielding the sword, while he LOVED wielding it. There was no sexist thing going on whatsoever. He just hated being saved by someone who spit all over his values and her own values. Him taking her ''sword'' would be the outcome that would enable both of them to live life as they would want. Wilhelm could love his sword forevermore, and protect the ones he holds dear. While Theresia could finally enjoy a life that is not the sword. Episode 19 clearly stated that: Theresia was loved more than anyone by the sword but she hated it. I hope someone has the patience to hold your hand for every scene. Or that you realize that a story where you occasionally need to fill in the gaps, like Re;zero the anime, is not for you. Perhaps waiting for all the light novels is the better way for you to enjoy this story. |
I hope someone has the patience to hold your hand for every scene. Or that you realize that a story where you occasionally need to fill in the gaps, like Re;zero the anime, is not for you. You forced your sweaty, 'read LN/forum post I made elsewhere' hand into mine. I did not ask for it. Just fyi. I assumed that LN cuts were the result of Wilhelm's backstory failure as presented in the anime. The point of my post was to critisce the anime, not the LN series you are so defensive about. Buck_Wade said: The whale was clearly stationary because it decided to control it's 2 clones to let them do the fighting, while it stayed all up high out of reach. So of course a plan had to be hatched where Subaru would unexpectedly land on the giant thing. I don't think you understand the whole gravity/physics thingy if you think a flying creature is completely stationary in the sky, perfect for a 100% precise iceblock cannon-slab... which Subaru was not shown getting off of / onto whale / how. This is very troubling. And, OF COURSE: a plan had to be crafted so the weakling main character, with no battle experience, was shot onto a deadly flying creature. Because that plan had no holes in it, like. Buck_Wade said: Why are people questioning Subaru's intelligence? No seriously, WHY? This is common fact...WHY...is this so confusing to comprehend? Has anyone else ever felt rage before? When your throwing a tantrum, your not exactly plotting jack. Would you prefer me to question your intelligence, instead? I mean, I am already, but in text form. If you have to question why someone can turn a "fact" into an opinion - such as confusion over how a character can recover from almost a form of post-war PTSD with all his deaths/failures in quick succession, putting it down to teenage EMOTIONS/angst - then you are more than likely confused about the definition of fact/opinion. As well as many other things, such as life in general. I also find it highly amusing you are complaining of temper tantrums whilst questioning how to control anger. Sweet Allah... Buck_Wade said: How was it NOT obvious that in Wilhelm's backstory Wilhelm wanted to take Theresia's sword from her because he could see that a gentle person like her didn't actually want to wield it? ...because it was never conveyed that 15yo moewaifu was reluctant to use a sword. She had scenes in a dress, a scene where she saved Willy, and another scene where Willy decided he was a real man. It was not conveyed in any way, shape or form beyond Willy's viewpoint. Which is why other lifeforms strangely commented on it being a sexist portrayal. |
Buck_Wade said: AironicallyHuman said: You forced your sweaty, 'read LN/forum post I made elsewhere' hand into mine. I did not ask for it. Just fyi. I assumed that LN cuts were the result of Wilhelm's backstory failure as presented in the anime. The point of my post was to critisce the anime, not the LN series you are so defensive about. I don't think you understand the whole gravity/physics thingy if you think a flying creature is completely stationary in the sky, perfect for a 100% precise iceblock cannon-slab... which Subaru was not shown getting off of / onto whale / how. This is very troubling. I get where you're coming from here, but the whale obviously wasn't perfectly still, but the larger the object, the easier it is for something to land on the right spot. That thing is the size of a goddamn island. And let's not forget, Re: Zero is still pure fictional, I mean I don't see why some laws of physics can't function a bit differently anyway. And, OF COURSE: a plan had to be crafted so the weakling main character, with no battle experience, was shot onto a deadly flying creature. Because that plan had no holes in it, like. *facepalms*. It's been stated for the past few episodes that obviously, Subaru's scent ATTRACTS the whale. The stronger his scent, the more instinctively the whale follows him. If in Subaru's place was some random soldier, the plan most likely wouldn't work. Would you prefer me to question your intelligence, instead? I mean, I am already, but in text form. If you have to question why someone can turn a "fact" into an opinion - such as confusion over how a character can recover from almost a form of post-war PTSD with all his deaths/failures in quick succession, putting it down to teenage EMOTIONS/angst - then you are more than likely confused about the definition of fact/opinion. As well as many other things, such as life in general. I also find it highly amusing you are complaining of temper tantrums whilst questioning how to control anger. Sweet Allah... The entire reason Subaru went into "angst" in ep 18 was because he was fed up, sick, tired, and didn't understand how else to save Emilia, so he gave up. It wasn't a trauma like trying to get over the death of a family member, that takes A LONG TIME, unless you're autistic or something (I know this from experience), but trying to convince someone within the span of 20 minutes to get their shiz together and fight? That's possible, albeit not easily as when a lot of people go into self-hatred mode, they throw as many excuses as possible as to why they shouldn't continue, which is exactly what Subaru did in ep 18. And NONE of my words have suggested that I'm angry with you, just really confused and frustrated. ...because it was never conveyed that 15yo moewaifu was reluctant to use a sword. She had scenes in a dress, a scene where she saved Willy, and another scene where Willy decided he was a real man. It was not conveyed in any way, shape or form beyond Willy's viewpoint. Which is why other lifeforms strangely commented on it being a sexist portrayal. Okay, it wasn't DIRECTLY said, but I just can't see any other interpretation beyond then mine. At some point I'll rewatch the episode. Like I said it was mentioned in episode 19, To be precise minute 21.30. She never wanted to wield the sword, but the sword chose her etc etc. |
| Yea I may come off as presumptious when I claim to know things. But really, nearly every single sentence in the anime is of importance. without it a lot of subtext, to properly understand events is missed. As this ''discussion'' has proven. |
Verifax said: Like I said it was mentioned in episode 19, To be precise minute 21.30. She never wanted to wield the sword, but the sword chose her etc etc. I shall take your word that, at minute 21; 30 seconds EXACTLY of episode 19, 15yo moewaifu mentioned the "sword choosing her". I do recall that, actually, now that you mention it. But how does a girl so young and frail looking have a sword decide it was for her, exactly? If she didn't want to be a swordswoman, how did she come to know she was good with a sword? Female knights do not seem common in the Re:Zero universe, so she would have only discovered her talent if she herself decided to swing a sword. I overlooked the comment because being reluctant yet choosing something as a profession when there are other, more obvious options makes very little sense. At least not based on that one, very missable line in the anime version. Though I'm sure the explanation is in that forum post detailing the LN. |
| @AironicallyHuman If you're referring to Wilheim's "sexist" remark (with a face like that...) in episode 19, there is a mistranslation in CR subs where "expression" is the better word to use instead of "face". Wilheim is angry because he knew from her pained expression that she has no desire wielding swords and preferred flowers instead. Her title of master swordsman/sword saint is passed to her just because she inherited the blessing of the sword saint which chooses its bearers from the Astrea family randomly. Wilheim would have known her being the master swordsman/sword saint if she's enthusiastic about being a knight. Wilheim is also frustrated that it is him that forced Theresia to don the battle armor to save him when he almost got himself killed in his solo quest to save his hometown being razed by the demihumans. He hated his powerlessness as well as the curse of being a master swordsman/sword saint that binds Theresia. And it is this that fuels him to train fanatically like a demon in order to beat her in a duel and frees her from the curse of being master swordsman/sword saint. And yeah, I don't see anything sexist here. |
AironicallyHuman said: Verifax said: Like I said it was mentioned in episode 19, To be precise minute 21.30. She never wanted to wield the sword, but the sword chose her etc etc. I shall take your word that, at minute 21; 30 seconds EXACTLY of episode 19, 15yo moewaifu mentioned the "sword choosing her". I do recall that, actually, now that you mention it. But how does a girl so young and frail looking have a sword decide it was for her, exactly? If she didn't want to by a swordswoman, how did she come to know she was good with a sword? Female knights do not seem common in the Re:Zero universe, so she would have only discovered her talent if she herself decided to swing a sword. I overlooked the comment because being reluctant yet choosing something as a profession when there are other, more obvious options makes very little sense. At least not based on that one, very missable line in the anime version. Based on what we've seen in the anime so far, we can infer that she has to stick to her profession because she's an ASTREA. Reinhard was trained from birth by his family to become a master swordsman too. I therefore think it's a family thing. Her bad luck was that she was so fantastic at it that her power was needed to save people. Wilhelm much to his dismay was one of the people her power had to save. |
NitroKageAki said: He hated his powerlessness as well as the curse of being a master swordsman/sword saint that binds Theresia. And it is this that fuels him to train fanatically like a demon in order to beat her in a duel and frees her from the curse of being master swordsman/sword saint. And yeah, I don't see anything sexist here. The mistranslation did make the line seem far more sexist, so thanks for clearing that up. But my sexism comment was aimed more at how the flashback presentation overall just made Wilhelm seem irked she was better than him. Going on how you explained it, with the 'blessing of the sword saint' / inheriting and being unwilling from the start, I doubt I would call it sexist if the anime had gone into the detail you described, no. My problem is I was meant to infer all this, apparently, based on very little dialogue and 'expression/face' confusion. There has been very little in the way of world-building in the series. |
Buck_Wade said: Verifax said: Yea I may come off as presumptious when I claim to know things. But really, nearly every single sentence in the anime is of importance. without it a lot of subtext, to properly understand events is missed. As this ''discussion'' has proven. ...Which is exactly why I never, NEVER avert my eyes from the screen when watching ANYTHING. Save for something like the elevator scene from Evangelion, EVERY sentence, and I mean, EVERY sentence, carries something: A) Foreshadowing. B) Hints to something. C) A reveal. D) A good moment between 2 characters having chemistry which help show how they see each other later on. E) All of the above. Truth! Just try and remember all the times Subaru said: Fanatical as a demon. Every time it was used it had a great, yet different effect on Rem's psyche towards Subaru. |
AironicallyHuman said: NitroKageAki said: He hated his powerlessness as well as the curse of being a master swordsman/sword saint that binds Theresia. And it is this that fuels him to train fanatically like a demon in order to beat her in a duel and frees her from the curse of being master swordsman/sword saint. And yeah, I don't see anything sexist here. The mistranslation did make the line seem far more sexist, so thanks for clearing that up. But my sexism comment was aimed more at how the flashback presentation overall just made Wilhelm seem irked she was better than him. Going on how you explained it, with the 'blessing of the sword saint' / inheriting and being unwilling from the start, I doubt I would call it sexist if the anime had gone into the detail you described, no. My problem is I was meant to infer all this, apparently, based on very little dialogue and 'expression/face' confusion. There has been very little in the way of world-building in the series. Agreed. Though I think White Fox did a good job on the transition between Wilheim's past and the current event considering the time restraint the anime has (Wilheim's past is presented in the form of intermission in the LN/WN). Let's hope the White Fox announces OVA or movie for EX 2 novel that features the past of Wilheim and Theresia : ) |
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