Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
RainyRai said: re:zero getting undeserved attention for managing to dupe all the dumb weebs who think they are incredibly smart for liking this show by making up dumb deconstruction essays and that Subaru and Rem are such amazing characters, with amazing presentation(even though it didn't matter because nothing happened this episode) and "MUH SUFFARUUUU" is 100% a problem. As for the elitists (acting smart etc.), I agree with you. However, there are a lot of fans who try to analyze the show (with proof) and think it's great without insulting others. Are they dumb weebs as well? |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
beast_regards said: ANd what's good about that then? many people complain about fanservice for the sake of fanservice but praise edgy for the sake of edgy?Kofrine said: edgy is fine, but edgy for the sake of edgy is different. This show is edgy for the sake of being edgy (you can call it deconstruction though, someone did). Even people who absolutely praise the show recognize that show whole selling point is being edgy. |
SteinsYonah said: I mean, I dont care if its bait or no. But, now, everyone its use *Edgy* So easily, like, it really doenst have meaning now, not only in Re:Zero but in everything whit a little of a dark thing its called edgy. Berserk its edgy Monster is edgy Pokemon its edgy We can call everything edgy and nobody will give a fuck, cuz its so overused that its not fun anymore. Hell, Even Doraemon its edgy now. Holy shit these people, we cant have nice things. EDGY CAN BE BAD OR GOOD. EDGE ISN'T INHERENTLY BAD. RE:ZERO IS JUST BEING EDGY FOR THE SAKE OF IT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE EDGE BAD. I've said this to AT LEAST 4 different people. Why are you trying to correct people when you don't even know how to use the word yourself? |
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RainyRai said: Molandero said: hmmm... yeah.. someone salty... hmm... need more salt hmm.. because ur anime shit get downshit because re:zero it doesnt mean u must being full retard for make ur anime famous ;P re:zero getting undeserved attention for managing to dupe all the dumb weebs who think they are incredibly smart for liking this show by making up dumb deconstruction essays and that Subaru and Rem are such amazing characters, with amazing presentation(even though it didn't matter because nothing happened this episode) and "MUH SUFFARUUUU" is 100% a problem. Exactly. Except an edgy villain doing edgy things, I don't even know why people are calling this the best ep of the year(lol). Some gore and twisting things amaze a lot of people I guess. |
JkayW said: IronLobster said: Very well, I'm gonna bite. Your question is why the villain is edgy? I will object, and say that the initial premise is flawed. Begin by defining what edgy is. Is the villain edgy, or just a villain? Does that make the Joker of Gotham city edgy if he is an insane villain who kills people? Is this the part where we call each other's taste shit? The joker had charisma, a motivation and a goal. Yes he was edgy, but edgy isn't inherently bad. I'm saying this Cult guy is just killing people for the sake of the plot needing edge. He is there purely to drive the story forward because the author can't write any characters. He doesn't actually tie well into the story's themes or messages. He doesn't feel human. He just feels like some plot device. While the Joker wanted to accomplish something. It seems your issue is that the existence of his character is meaningless and abrupt. He exists as a pure edge generator for shock value and nothing else. But to those who argue otherwise, he's a little more than that. To begin, Subaru is an absolute shit of a human being, and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. He's needy, lacking in common sense, and pathetic. On top of that, for the past two arcs, he has almost no goals, save for trying to get half-elf pussy. That's where Cult Guy comes in. He kicks MC's shit in, and gives him something that he didn't have before: an enemy and a goal. Moreover, I disagree that Cult Guy is without a motivation and goal since he has a devout worship of the Witch and the massacre of the village seems to be more than just random slaughter. There's likely something more foul at play in the background that viewers aren't aware of yet. I'll give you credit for giving me a response that I can work with. But you need to do a little more like presenting something specific. For example, you say it doesn't tie into themes or messages, but you need to explain to me what the theme and messages are. |
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Kofrine said: beast_regards said: ANd what's good about that then? many people complain about fanservice for the sake of fanservice but praise edgy for the sake of edgy?This show is edgy for the sake of being edgy (you can call it deconstruction though, someone did). Even people who absolutely praise the show recognize that show whole selling point is being edgy. Just because people like to jump on the hate train for fanservice, doesn't mean that you have to do the same with everything else. Edgy doesn't make a story bad and neither does fanservice. It's the way it's used. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| haha popular show always need someone who hate it, and searching for every mistake the anime can get, and telling everyone its called opinion. why not just watch the show blindly then? its just japanese cartoon, cartoon is for the kids, and kids don't watch the cartoon using brain. worldeditor11 said: Why was Rem still alive though when the Joker dude twisted her neck 180? its love, subaru kun! |
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Sometimes791 said: RainyRai said: re:zero getting undeserved attention for managing to dupe all the dumb weebs who think they are incredibly smart for liking this show by making up dumb deconstruction essays and that Subaru and Rem are such amazing characters, with amazing presentation(even though it didn't matter because nothing happened this episode) and "MUH SUFFARUUUU" is 100% a problem. As for the elitists (acting smart etc.), I agree with you. However, there are a lot of fans who try to analyze the show (with proof) and think it's great without insulting others. Are they dumb weebs as well? There are qualities to the show that some people prove but most essays I see about this show(mostly on leddit) are pretty much people stroking their dick over something not there. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
Kofrine said: ANd what's good about that then? many people complain about fanservice for the sake of fanservice but praise edgy for the sake of edgy? Doing something different? People are obviously hungry for things that are done a little bit differently (and I don't really count edgy teenagers that want to be rebelious) Re:Zero is basically show where main protagonist believes he is Shounen character, he acts like shounen character with motivation and mannerism of shounen character - but it isn't working and his action doesn't have outcomes expected from Shounen. Instead, Subaru (and virtually anyone else in the show) dies a lot as a result. And people like it because everyone except dire-hard fans (and targeted audience) must be fed up by shounen by now. Berzerk is also called deconstruction of Shounen genre. And hell, yes, Berzerk is popular. Why not release another edgy show which is more the less same (gore, gore and little bit more gore to show it isn't shounen) in the same time |
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JkayW said: SteinsYonah said: I mean, I dont care if its bait or no. But, now, everyone its use *Edgy* So easily, like, it really doenst have meaning now, not only in Re:Zero but in everything whit a little of a dark thing its called edgy. Berserk its edgy Monster is edgy Pokemon its edgy We can call everything edgy and nobody will give a fuck, cuz its so overused that its not fun anymore. Hell, Even Doraemon its edgy now. Holy shit these people, we cant have nice things. EDGY CAN BE BAD OR GOOD. EDGE ISN'T INHERENTLY BAD. RE:ZERO IS JUST BEING EDGY FOR THE SAKE OF IT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE EDGE BAD. I've said this to AT LEAST 4 different people. Why are you trying to correct people when you don't even know how to use the word yourself?  Thats no what im talking about. Sigh |
crx07 said: Lol! Rated R, 17+, for kids? I guess you are also a kid. You need to be older than 20 to be considered adult by Japanese law. |
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crx07 said: Lol! Rated R, 17+, for kids? I guess you are also a kid. ergh, kids these days not only watching tom and jerry you know. |
| 期待しているよ、私のサリアだって、嘘ばっかり! でもねアンジュ、あんたがいなくなれば、私の方が強いってわかれば, それができるなら、何もいらない! |
| C'mon dude! That "edgy" came out just now, why you even bother? And so, can we just watch it till the end and judge it afterwards? #stillgrabspopcorn |
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beast_regards said: Kofrine said: ANd what's good about that then? many people complain about fanservice for the sake of fanservice but praise edgy for the sake of edgy? Doing something different? People are obviously hungry for things that are done a little bit differently (and I don't really count edgy teenagers that want to be rebelious) Re:Zero is basically show where main protagonist believes he is Shounen character, he acts like shounen character with motivation and mannerism of shounen character - but it isn't working and his action doesn't have outcomes expected from Shounen. Instead, Subaru (and virtually anyone else in the show) dies a lot as a result. And people like it because everyone except dire-hard fans (and targeted audience) must be fed up by shounen by now. Berzerk is also called deconstruction of Shounen genre. And hell, yes, Berzerk is popular. Why not release another edgy show which is more the less same (gore, gore and little bit more gore to show it isn't shounen) in the same time the show is different in last season though, it has character depth, development without "edge for the sake of edge". it's degenerated development on character depth and the progress on recent episodes are just edge for the sake of edge. Let's take this episode for example. what do we have here? Subaru overcome his mental broken? but didn't we perfectly get that in arc 2 already? why do we do it again just for the sake of adding gore and edgy part? is this the demand from fan? then why not just add the gore and edge in arc 2 and do more development in arc 3? |
al-birny said: crx07 said: Lol! Rated R, 17+, for kids? I guess you are also a kid. ergh, kids these days not only watching tom and jerry you know. Yeah, they can have surprisingly adult interests beyond their years, like "amateur, domination, interracial, and MILFs" to name a few. |
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Kofrine said: the show is different in last season though, it has character depth, development without "edge for the sake of edge". it's degenerated development on character depth and the progress on recent episodes are just edge for the sake of edge. Let's take this episode for example. what do we have here? Subaru overcome his mental broken? but didn't we perfectly get that in arc 2 already? why do we do it again just for the sake of adding gore and edgy part? is this the demand from fan? then why not just add the gore and edge in arc 2 and do more development in arc 3? There wasn't that much of the development really, at least IMHO. Subaru didn't changed that much, he was still same in chapter 13-14 as he was in first one, we merely felt he was less annoying because show was new and fresh. As for the gore, I don't know why they decided to add more gore all of the sudden. Subaru death was brutal when it was first time too, why escalate it? Why revel in torture of the character if he is going to shrug it off chapter after anyway and it has no importance to the plot? As far I understood, there are decisions that are done during the production. For example, show isn't popular enough, let's hire cheaper animators when show is outgoing. I can imagine they added more gore because people called for more gore. |
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JkayW said: >i don't like when people have opinion that are different from my own. WAHHH WAHHH Denying other peoples perspectives is not a good way to live 1/50. Much too obvious. Much too grotesque. You contradict yourself. You have no susbtance. You suck at baiting etc... |
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crx07 said: Then Re:Zero must be for 17-19 y.o. physically and mentally. It's amazing you know Japanese law but don't know that anime is not purely for kids. Even anime have hentai/porn. Of course anime has hentai (which is basically a whole separate ratting compared to show like Re:Zero. Or Parasyte. Or Tokyo Ghoul. Or other overly gory show). I also don't argue whether this show is or isn't for kid. Or whether you should like it. Or whether you can watch it. Or whether you can enjoy it. It's up to you. |
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| Welp, I'm too lazy to quote but to all people who says OP is bad at baiting, I think the 100+ posts before mine says otherwise. No need to be sneaky to bait, just know how to trigger people. |
| "SADDEST PEOPLE ON PLANET EARTH ARGUING ABOUT THE CRINGEST MAIN CHARACTER IN 2016 ON YOUTUBE" welp I'm playing cool kid now PS: Re:Zero is new SAO and if you fail to see that then I'm sorry for you. |
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JkayW said: As you all know, Re:Zero is objectively bad. But let's not state the obvious. With it's cliche characters, terrible world building, horrendous meta commentary and horrible usage of an interesting concept. I'm pretty bored. But something has striked me. The villain. Do we really want some KKK insane nazi loser or is he going actually have some concrete motivation? I can't stand boring ass black and white characters. This show is generic enough. Also, Rem getting dislocated in front of Subaru's eyes was pretty edgy for edgy. How far do you think it'll go? I rate the latest episode 1 broken spinal cord and 4 dislocated rem limbs out of 10. Most people here may think you'are a troll, but I just want to let you know that I agree with your opinion on this show. It's by no mean bad at all, but definitely overrated. At least, in my humble opinion. |
| "Look mom after this godlike episode I posted a bad thing about this anime" |
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JkayW said: As you all know, Re:Zero is objectively bad. But let's not state the obvious. With it's cliche characters, terrible world building, horrendous meta commentary and horrible usage of an interesting concept. I'm pretty bored. But something has striked me. The villain. Do we really want some KKK insane nazi loser or is he going actually have some concrete motivation? I can't stand boring ass black and white characters. This show is generic enough. Also, Rem getting dislocated in front of Subaru's eyes was pretty edgy for edgy. How far do you think it'll go? I rate the latest episode 1 broken spinal cord and 4 dislocated rem limbs out of 10. g8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8 .. |
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| He is best guy, so all his edge is forgiven. Also, his edginess is funny, so another reason to forgive him. Seriously, guys, we need to protect this smile.  |
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 Quality thread...I bet you feel like you are so smart after making this thread... If i had the power and money i would actually fund an institution to find and rehabitate people like you on forums... |
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FrekiiYo said: I wish the term edgy never became popular. what a nice, care-free way to throw away arguments that could've been more clear and in depth with its ideas. Nah fuck it, lets withdraw any logical reasoning towards scenes that call for it and coin it with being eddgyyy, because if its dark theres no second guessing in why things are happening as they are? 100% agree with @IronLobster, there is definitely evidence (motivations&goals) to what the op has claimed otherwise. No matter how subtle But srsly? "being edgy for the sake of being edgy" ... What a joke. Right, it's just typicial bullshit buzzwords that shitposters use that don't even make sense and they normally end up looking like fools when they say it. There's barely any gore in this episode and was pretty tame by anime standards. |
Jagd84 said: FrekiiYo said: I wish the term edgy never became popular. what a nice, care-free way to throw away arguments that could've been more clear and in depth with its ideas. Nah fuck it, lets withdraw any logical reasoning towards scenes that call for it and coin it with being eddgyyy, because if its dark theres no second guessing in why things are happening as they are? 100% agree with @IronLobster, there is definitely evidence (motivations&goals) to what the op has claimed otherwise. No matter how subtle But srsly? "being edgy for the sake of being edgy" ... What a joke. Right, it's just typicial bullshit buzzwords that shitposters use that don't even make sense and they normally end up looking like fools when they say it. There's barely any gore in this episode and was pretty tame by anime standards. It sure seems like w've got quite the trendy word there. I laugh every time I see it. |
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megakruemel said: Well i was thinking about picking this anime up but as i see it, it is another smart idea with questionable execution, if i judge the discussion forums correctly. "Time travel" even if it is not really that in this show always interested me greatly and i do believe the idea of "respawning" when dying is pretty cool in that context. My problem with the show is all the gore that comes with it. I always had problems with shows that relied on violence and death and gore to attract viewers. Now i am not saying it is bad but i really dislike it. I never understood why authors go to such lengths to disfigure characters they themselves have created and had the viewers appreciate them just to kill them off for that emotional kick that can easily be gotten somewhere else. I don't handle character deaths very well, which i noticed first when watching "Your lie in April" and since then it only got worse. If at all i could only tolerate watching all the gore and death if the time-travel power of mc makes all the deaths and suffering of the other characters undone. What i am basically asking is- will the tortured to death character i saw plastered all over the internet stay dead and tortured? Because if so, i am not going to pick up this anime. Ever. I would also like to understand why people subject themselfes to emotional trauma like this. And yes- i know it is all not real and it is anime but i keep getting reminded of scenes like this all the time and it is distracting if it does not come to an end, like the characters being revived or whatever. Now i am not saying this show is bad but i do want to watch it to some extent. I am angry that gore is involved but i am constantly thinking if i should just ignore this anime or not. Well just think of these series as a game, usually when you fail a game objective you get a game over and that is it, but re:zero lets you see what happens beyond the simple game over (until the mc death). Showing the consequences of your actions may push away some people from such a game but the MC uses it to gather information for the next run, the MC will fail quite a lot in his search for an answer as he is pretty weak so he cant just defeat/kill everything in its way, so he has to make an effort in finding an alternative answer with trial and error. I personally like this general idea with the show which is the reason i keep watching it in the first place. PS: There is a little bit of Gore which slowly increases over time, if you like it then its ok, if your like me and dont think much of it then its also ok, but if you really dont like it then you can just skip it if you think you cant handle it. I didnt watch the show for the gore but for the development due to the MC powers. |
| People use that buzzword edgy to the extreme a lot to the point it becomes disappointing. EDIT: The "edge" works for re zero because of how everything is set up in this world. It's not like other fantasy world settings where everything could be solved magically while here the characters have to struggle and go through all this insane situations which goes back to how this world is set up where everything is not right and things are quite dark and being "edgy" for the sake of it. |
terminador_2397Jul 11, 2016 8:02 AM
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^exactly how I feel I hope Subaru uses Betelgeuse's edge to slit his wrists next episode. The story's not perfect, but the author was definitely smart. Make the MC someone you absolutely detest and then get to watch him suffer and die every few episodes. |
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YokuneSan said: The story's not perfect, but the author was definitely smart. Make the MC someone you absolutely detest and then get to watch him suffer and die every few episodes. which, in turn, makes me feel nothing about his deaths, unlike in the previous Arcs. |
| I'll try not to ramble on about other facets of the show. The villain. Do we really want some KKK insane nazi loser or is he going actually have some concrete motivation? I can't stand boring ass black and white characters. This show is generic enough. There's some potential for Super Eccentric Villain #502 to gain some concrete motivation in the future, assuming that more information is revealed about the Witch by the end of this season. This show has lacked a good sense of direction for a while, but it's starting to develop one. I'm getting rather sick of all the vague allusions to the Witch and how evil she is. But if we know Re: Zero, this super eccentric villain is going to be discarded and never brought up again like the first super eccentric villain in the show (remember gore-lover?). I'd like for Betelgeuse to actually gain some concrete motivation, but considering how Re: Zero really hasn't expanded on a lot of the things that it has been setting up since the start of its season (like, you know, characters other than Subaru and Rem). It feels like a lot of dramatic and horrible stuff is happening, and this alone is supposed to entertain and stimulate me. I'd like some more context, please. We still only know the basics of the basics in terms of what this world is, what Subaru is going to do here and why he was brought here. All we really know is that Subaru is going to suffer, and suffer, and suffer. A lot. I like suffering to have apparent meaning, rather than being suffering for the sake of suffering. Hopefully, there's some more context later on. After all, we seem to finally be out of the build-up with this arc. My thoughts are this: For Betelgeuse to gain some concrete motivation, Re: Zero needs to have a concrete sense of direction first (they go hand in hand). This seems to be on the horizon with the end of episode 15. Also, Rem getting dislocated in front of Subaru's eyes was pretty edgy for edgy. How far do you think it'll go? Hopefully, a lot further. Honestly, Re: Zero still hasn't beaten this: Edit: Also, so many people with Sakura Trick signatures. |
FallJul 11, 2016 8:07 AM
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| Its definitely trying too hard. Suffering for the sake of it. Didn't feel much in the last ep because I don't give a shit about any of the characters. The villian was so over the top that he was almost funny. Also the character designs are shit. Great sig btw. Since Re:Zero is getting a lot of hype and praise right now obviously most here will be against you. |
AssumingControlJul 11, 2016 8:25 AM
| >fav anime is end of eva >has kiritsugu in fav characters >hates edginess stop being tsundere about it bby, we all know you love this stuff |
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Shrimperor said: YokuneSan said: The story's not perfect, but the author was definitely smart. Make the MC someone you absolutely detest and then get to watch him suffer and die every few episodes. which, in turn, makes me feel nothing about his deaths, unlike in the previous Arcs. To be fair that is a normal ocurrence when the MC can "reset/time travel/jump to another timeline/allies can revive" in a series. The viewer eventually become numb to death which makes it inconsequential, so they have to resort to other stuff to stimulate the viewers sense of danger in the show. Even if you like the MC if he keeps dying and returning then you jsut dont start caring eventually. PS: the examples i mentioned besides reset are from Steins Gate/VLR/Dragon Ball. Using the last one as an example, the first deaths where more impacting because there wasnt a guarantee they would come back, but then in the end of the series the characters are so op they can gatehr the dragon balls in an afternoon if one of them dies (or even if the Earth explodes). |
| Once again seems like some goddamn people cannot understand the obvious, Betelgeuse is a madman, no an actual madman. Regardless of what his past might have been his current self is written to be intentionally insane cult leader who the equivalent of the chruch of Sauron. There not meant to be any subltes to begin with. Pointing this out makes you neither smart or some high class anime connoisseur. Just an even dumber Captain Obivious. Bah, I'm done feefing this bait. |
Iron_MawJul 11, 2016 8:33 AM
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