Anime fan girls, what do u think about transexual women (women who used to be men) going into girls locker rooms
| Im a political junkie that was wondering what the public thinks about this. My opinion is that transsexuals should use the locker room that matches their birth gender but that the law shouldn't require them to. That should be handled by the students and schools. |
| Call me an ignorant prick, but as long as you have a penis, you'll always be a male in my book. Same thing for people with vaginas. I don't really care what people identify themselves as, but that doesn't mean that's what I'll identify you as. I think there should be a different room for transgender women and for transgender men. Idon't think transgender women should use female bathrooms, but they should use a bathroom meant for transgender women or "other" genders. Whatever type of law they decide on, I don't think it'd have an impact on me since I never use public restrooms in the first place. |
| Personally, if a man wants to be a woman or vice-versa, id call him/her by the name and gender they choose. The reason that I have the opinion I do about the locker room situation is that allowing former men to enter the girls locker room would mean that any perv could say "I feel like a women today" and go rape some girl in the locker room. |
| if it's an actual trans person who legit doesn't feel like a male and shit , then sure I wouldn't mind , hell they can even stare lol but if it's a fucking attention whore little shit who comes in with some tumblr made gender , and identfying themselves as whatver fits their situation , then nah go fuck yourself lol in the end since nobody can agree on this , why don't they just make a third locker room and bathrooms for trans |
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| people can't change their gender. also why would anyone want to use the male toilets? those are always dirty way more dirty than the female ones.... |
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| reading these responses make me cringe |
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| I really wouldn't give a damn if a transgender man used the men's locker room while I was in it. YatoKirigaya said: Personally, if a man wants to be a woman or vice-versa, id call him/her by the name and gender they choose. The reason that I have the opinion I do about the locker room situation is that allowing former men to enter the girls locker room would mean that any perv could say "I feel like a women today" and go rape some girl in the locker room. If someone is fucked up enough to do that I doubt they would go through the effort of pretending to be transgendered, they would just waltz and rape someone. The fact that men aren't allowed in the womens room ain't gonna stop them. |
Bobby2HandsMay 21, 2016 1:50 PM
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Exhalant said: Call me an ignorant prick, but as long as you have a penis, you'll always be a male in my book. Same thing for people with vaginas. I don't really care what people identify themselves as, but that doesn't mean that's what I'll identify you as. I think there should be a different room for transgender women and for transgender men. Idon't think transgender women should use female bathrooms, but they should use a bathroom meant for transgender women or "other" genders. Whatever type of law they decide on, I don't think it'd have an impact on me since I never use public restrooms in the first place. But then you need bathrooms for mtf trans, and ftm trans, and cross-dressers, and an helipad for attack copters. Really, I don't see why anyone would care about who pees next. Like, huh, a mtf trans isn't going to rape you, her hormonal treatment is basically a chemical castration. edit: I'm going to edit that post to make it clear: okay, a mtf trans MIGHT rape you. Like, it can happen. You can also be struck by a meteor or lighting bolt. |
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YatoKirigaya said: Personally, if a man wants to be a woman or vice-versa, id call him/her by the name and gender they choose. The reason that I have the opinion I do about the locker room situation is that allowing former men to enter the girls locker room would mean that any perv could say "I feel like a women today" and go rape some girl in the locker room. "any perv" could simply walk into the girl's locker room and rape a women . . . I have never seen (either at a gym or at school) a locker room that was guarded by security. So "sneaking in by claiming to be transgender" is not needed. Also I might add that if someone is planning on raping an individual, chances are that a minor socially unacceptable act (such as sneaking into the locker room of the opposite sex) is not something they are worried about. In short, I highly doubt that allowing it (or not allowing it) would significantly impact the number of rapes that occur within locker rooms / bathrooms. |
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Clebardman said: Exhalant said: Call me an ignorant prick, but as long as you have a penis, you'll always be a male in my book. Same thing for people with vaginas. I don't really care what people identify themselves as, but that doesn't mean that's what I'll identify you as. I think there should be a different room for transgender women and for transgender men. Idon't think transgender women should use female bathrooms, but they should use a bathroom meant for transgender women or "other" genders. Whatever type of law they decide on, I don't think it'd have an impact on me since I never use public restrooms in the first place. But then you need bathrooms for mtf trans, and ftm trans, and cross-dressers, and an helipad for attack copters. Really, I don't see why anyone would care about who pees next. Like, huh, a mtf trans isn't going to rape you, her hormonal treatment is basically a chemical castration. edit: I'm going to edit that post to make it clear: okay, a mtf trans MIGHT rape you. Like, it can happen. You can also be struck by a meteor or lighting bolt. lol, exactly. That's what they should do lol. Either that, or they should simply put a bathroom dedicated to "other" genders. Gays and lesbians aren't included ofc since they don't deny their biological gender. |
| I think people should be allowed to use the facilities that they prefer. If someone was made to use the locker room of the gender they didn't identify with, wouldn't that just make them super uncomfortable? That's no fun. However... leonstone said: if it's a fucking attention whore little shit who comes in with some tumblr made gender , and identfying themselves as whatver fits their situation , then nah go fuck yourself lol |
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Exhalant said: Clebardman said: But then you need bathrooms for mtf trans, and ftm trans, and cross-dressers, and an helipad for attack copters. Really, I don't see why anyone would care about who pees next. Like, huh, a mtf trans isn't going to rape you, her hormonal treatment is basically a chemical castration. edit: I'm going to edit that post to make it clear: okay, a mtf trans MIGHT rape you. Like, it can happen. You can also be struck by a meteor or lighting bolt. lol, exactly. That's what they should do lol. Either that, or they should simply put a bathroom dedicated to "other" genders. Gays and lesbians aren't included ofc since they don't deny their biological gender. Wich means having a bathroompeople who identify as men and women have to share. Not only do you want to relegate them to a second class bathroom as if we were living under an apartheid, but you also want to deny them the right to have unisex bathrooms. Huh? |
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| I don't think people (in the US) still take showers in school locker-rooms. So seeing genitalia that is not similar isn't going to be common. Some anatomical things could happen though, that might cause other student to feel uncomfortable themselves. The out-of-the-blue erection of a boy placed inside of a girls locker-room? A slight sight of a breast in the boys locker-room--bad for all involved. But the benefits might outweigh the bad. The person that felt they were a boy, may see that they aren't, or vice-versa; The norm of it could also change student perspectives of transgendered into more acceptance. My perception of girl/boy locker-rooms is different cause of what people my age, and location did, when compared to what happens in there now (such as nude showers). If you were talking about adult locker-rooms, then that is different of course. |
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| Making the vast majority of normal people feel uncomfortable to cater to the whims of a few sexual deviants is pathetic. Just because they have problems doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer because of it |
Clebardman said: Exhalant said: lol, exactly. That's what they should do lol. Either that, or they should simply put a bathroom dedicated to "other" genders. Gays and lesbians aren't included ofc since they don't deny their biological gender. Wich means having a bathroompeople who identify as men and women have to share. Not only do you want to relegate them to a second class bathroom as if we were living under an apartheid, but you also want to deny them the right to have unisex bathrooms. Huh? I don't think I ever regarded anyone as second class or inferior. It would just be disturbing to me if there was a transgender woman in the bathroom or locker room with me, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that feels that way. Here's just my opinion on the issue: Males ---> Male restrooms Females ---> Female restrooms Transexuals or any other gender ---> "Other" bathrooms. I'll just keep repeating it. A lot of people won't be comfortable doing their business while a biological male is in the bathroom with them. About the unisex bathrooms thing you mentioned, I don't personally think that should be a thing either. (biological) Males and females should do their business separate, it's been that way since I was a kid and I wouldn't mind it if it continued that way, if anything, I would prefer it. I feel more comfortable easing myself in the presence of biological women, not men. #nohomo And you say "apartheid" as if we aren't segregated by gender (male/female) already, so adding an extra bathroom for other genders won't make a difference. |
| When you say other, do you mean actually making an other optioned restroom--or the uni-sex ones that have been around (and are basically already the "other")? |
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Dimethylanime said: I think people should be allowed to use the facilities that they prefer. If someone was made to use the locker room of the gender they didn't identify with, wouldn't that just make them super uncomfortable? That's no fun. But i'm sure your 10 year old sister walking into a changing room and seeing the cock of some mentally unstable tranny won't cause any discomfort |
| @Exhalant You admit yourself that you wouldn't want to be in a bathroom with a mtf trans, but suggest to put these people in that exact same situation. Just them, for your own comfort, and at great expense since it means 3 bathrooms everywhere. I just don't understand the logic. You nailed it, it's just because you've been used to it since you're a kid and thing it's "natural" to separate men and women.Everything is natural. Nature is a man-made concept and has been used to oppress minorities since ages while making it look like some kind of fatality. Black people were naturally inferior and had to be ordered around for their own good, homosexuals are going against nature since they don't procreate, women are naturally weaker and should be dependent on a man, the list goes on. |
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| Well if you at least put an effort to look like a girl then ok?? |
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Clebardman said: @Exhalant You admit yourself that you wouldn't want to be in a bathroom with a mtf trans, but suggest to put these people in that exact same situation. Just them, for your own comfort, and at great expense since it means 3 bathrooms everywhere. I just don't understand the logic. You nailed it, it's just because you've been used to it since you're a kid and thing it's "natural" to separate men and women.Everything is natural. Nature is a man-made concept and has been used to oppress minorities since ages while making it look like some kind of fatality. Black people were naturally inferior and had to be ordered around for their own good, homosexuals are going against nature since they don't procreate, blablabla. I had a feeling I would come off as ignorant, but I guess it can't be helped. And yea, you're right about it being for my own comfort, I'm not denying that. ;p. I don't mean it's natural to separate men and women in everything they do, if that's how you're interpreting my comment, unfortunately, that's not what I mean. As human beings, we like to categorize everything because it makes us feel comfortable and I don't think there's generally nothing wrong with that as long as both sides get the same opportunities and resources. By separating transgenders into their own bathrooms doesn't mean they are being oppressed. The best thing to do would be to have a separate bathroom for all genders, but it's unlikely due to it's massive increase in cost. Silverstorm said: When you say other, do you mean actually making an other optioned restroom--or the uni-sex ones that have been around (and are basically already the "other")? I mean other as in other optioned restroom or a restroom for a third party gender. |
| @Exhalant I'm don't think you're ignorant or an idiot, I wouldn't be answering if that was the case. I think having a separate bathroom for transgenders CAN'T work. It's going to cost tons of money for bathrooms that will almost never be used, and if it looks and sounds like an apartheid (and it's hard to deny that it does), people are going to complain, and inten years we'll make threads titled "Should we create gendered trans public bathrooms?". The only practical options are 1/Let transgenders, queers and anyone who wants to enter in any gendered public bathroom, I agree with @Pirating_Ninja here, if someone wants to rape you, male or MtF trans, going into the wrong bathroom is probably not going to stop them. 2/Unisex bathrooms. Wich is pretty much the same than above, but less expensive. edit: forgot a negation T_T |
DeathkoMay 21, 2016 3:38 PM
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Exhalant said: Call me an ignorant prick, but as long as you have a penis, you'll always be a male in my book. Same thing for people with vaginas. YatoKirigaya said: The reason that I have the opinion I do about the locker room situation is that allowing former men to enter the girls locker room would mean that any perv could say "I feel like a women today" and go rape some girl in the locker room. Okay, let me clarify something, since everyone including OP seems to be confusing the term "transexual". Being transexual doesn't mean that one day you wake up and feel that you're a male or a female, and that the other day you'll feel like any other gender (that's actually called genderfluid, but that's a whole different story). Transexual people actually go through a surgical process to get their original genitals look like a vagina or a penis, depending on the person of course. They also take a lot of hormonal treatments to make their voice sweeter/deeper to match the sex they want to become. Those treatments also affect other external traits of their bodies which include, but are not limited to, breasts in transwomen, and facial hair in transmen. People who identify with the opposite gender but don't go through this are called "transgender" (and the title has the word TRANSEXUAL in it, not transgender). If you think that someone would go through this kind of process just to sneak into girls' panties, then I don't know what to tell you. Stop watching too many anime series, I guess. I personally don't care if another woman goes into the same locker room as I do, since I'm a female myself. So yeah, that's pretty much it. |
SweetMay 21, 2016 3:46 PM
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Clebardman said: @Sweet Oh, transSEXUAL specifically refers to post-op trans? I guess we should just put penises and vaginas on our bathrooms' doors instead of men and women then. Yeah, that's the main difference. That's why it has "SEXUAL" in the name (because they're actually modifying their genitals). |
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| They're pretty much women by then. So yes trans women do belong in the women's locker room, and trans men in the men's room. If you're worried about somebody taking a peek at you, well don't be, locker rooms have private changing stalls anyways. You can't just tell if someone is trans just by looking at them. |
| Honestly, I don't care about this. I already saw guys using female toilets and I didn't mind it at all, like I wouldn't mind going to male toilets if the female one is not free. So in my opinion, trans should be allowed to go wherever they feel going to. |
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Bobby2Hands said: I really wouldn't give a damn if a transgender man used the men's locker room while I was in it. YatoKirigaya said: Personally, if a man wants to be a woman or vice-versa, id call him/her by the name and gender they choose. The reason that I have the opinion I do about the locker room situation is that allowing former men to enter the girls locker room would mean that any perv could say "I feel like a women today" and go rape some girl in the locker room. If someone is fucked up enough to do that I doubt they would go through the effort of pretending to be transgendered, they would just waltz and rape someone. The fact that men aren't allowed in the womens room ain't gonna stop them. True. I was just thinking that if they were allowed 2 go in whichever locker room they wanted and if some pervy (obviously not transgender) guy decided 2 go in the girls locker then the girls would not be able 2 defend themselves b4 he rapes someone cuz he could say "I felt like a woman that day" in court if they try to defend themselves. |
YatoKirigaya said: Bobby2Hands said: I really wouldn't give a damn if a transgender man used the men's locker room while I was in it. If someone is fucked up enough to do that I doubt they would go through the effort of pretending to be transgendered, they would just waltz and rape someone. The fact that men aren't allowed in the womens room ain't gonna stop them. True. I was just thinking that if they were allowed 2 go in whichever locker room they wanted and if some pervy (obviously not transgender) guy decided 2 go in the girls locker then the girls would not be able 2 defend themselves b4 he rapes someone cuz he could say "I felt like a woman that day" in court if they try to defend themselves. I don't think saying "I felt like a woman that day" is a legally defensible reason to rape someone and I highly doubt it would hold up in court. So yeah, that guy would be going to prison. |
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Bobby2Hands said: YatoKirigaya said: True. I was just thinking that if they were allowed 2 go in whichever locker room they wanted and if some pervy (obviously not transgender) guy decided 2 go in the girls locker then the girls would not be able 2 defend themselves b4 he rapes someone cuz he could say "I felt like a woman that day" in court if they try to defend themselves. I don't think saying "I felt like a woman that day" is a legally defensible reason to rape someone and I highly doubt it would hold up in court. So yeah, that guy would be going to prison. What I meant was if the girls beat him up b4 he had the chance 2 rape someone and he tried 2 sue them 4 assault. Then he could say "I felt like a woman" in court and the girls could go to jail 4 assault in spite of the fact that it was self defense. |
| If you are born with a penis you should always (for the rest of your life) go into the males toilets/locker-room/whatever-else. If you are born with a vagina then just do the opposite, it isn't that hard. It's easy to see the severe consequences of essentially letting anyone into the private rooms of the opposite gender. |
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| This is a confusing thread because of the title. Are we talking about kids or adults here? Cause a locker-room is different between those two. |
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Silverstorm said: This is a confusing thread because of the title. Are we talking about kids or adults here? Cause a locker-room is different between those two. I guess we are talking about adults here. However, that's not the most confusing thing about this thread. It seems that everyone's talking about transgender people, not about transexuals. |
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| i don't mind. i also think it's a good idea to have a separate change room for trans people specifically if people feel unsafe. Clebardman said: seconding clebardman's argumentExhalant said: Call me an ignorant prick, but as long as you have a penis, you'll always be a male in my book. Same thing for people with vaginas. I don't really care what people identify themselves as, but that doesn't mean that's what I'll identify you as. I think there should be a different room for transgender women and for transgender men. Idon't think transgender women should use female bathrooms, but they should use a bathroom meant for transgender women or "other" genders. Whatever type of law they decide on, I don't think it'd have an impact on me since I never use public restrooms in the first place. But then you need bathrooms for mtf trans, and ftm trans, and cross-dressers, and an helipad for attack copters. Really, I don't see why anyone would care about who pees next. Like, huh, a mtf trans isn't going to rape you, her hormonal treatment is basically a chemical castration. edit: I'm going to edit that post to make it clear: okay, a mtf trans MIGHT rape you. Like, it can happen. You can also be struck by a meteor or lighting bolt. |
| @Artsy "Arbitrary" rules such as being male or female. Because according to modernist dogma, there couldn't possibly be any differences between the two And how dare someone be uncomfortable with being forced to share a changing room, and undress in front of people of the opposite gender, they must just be bigots The absolute rejection of logical thought is reaching new levels lately |
| I don't care who is in the locker room as long as they aren't being a creep. It is indefinitely more uncomfortable for a trans person to change locker rooms than it is for me to deal with someone new coming into the one I've always used. I wouldn't be the one dealing with the hardest shit. Why are you worried more about me and my feelings? |
| So we're upgrading the debate from "rooms in which there are separate stalls where you do your business" to "rooms in which you changing from one set of clothing to another and can therefore see each other in your underwear"? As a male who cross dresses recreationally I can say that I would feel just as uncomfortable with girls seeing me in my panties (I don't actually own panties, but hypothetically) as I could expect them to feel knowing that I'm seeing them in their panties. There's usually at least a few separate stalls and if there aren't they could use a dry shower stall to change in if they prefer using the woman's room to change. I'm sure the guys would feel just as uncomfortable if someone dressed as a woman went in their locker room and changed there. |
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| This is basically the left wing transgender rights movement in a nutshell: They think the whole world needs to stop and bend over backwards to make sure they never feel uncomfortable or left out. |
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Artsy said: as i said, if you're seriously traumatized by that situation, you have bigger problems to address why not consider advocating for private rooms inside said unisex locker rooms to allow for private changing No, i think the majority of humanity would agree that undressing in front of strangers of the opposite gender is uncomfortable. Just because you can't understand this does not mean that everyone else has "problems" The entire fucking world does not revolve around the issues of a minuscule minority of trans people. Unisex locker rooms should not exist, and these people do not have the right to force changes like this to be made. |
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Riki_Oh said: I'm sure it's very easy to reject traditional ideas of shame while posting on the internet But thats all it really is, baseless, deep seated archaic tradition. That should not affect the well being of others in a lawful perspective. |
| There are family lockerrooms some places but those are for kids to change in with their parents. Sweet said: Silverstorm said: This is a confusing thread because of the title. Are we talking about kids or adults here? Cause a locker-room is different between those two. I guess we are talking about adults here. However, that's not the most confusing thing about this thread. It seems that everyone's talking about transgender people, not about transexuals. Most transsexuals never get surgery to change their genitals so actually they are talking about them too. Rarusu_ said: Why not only have unisex bathrooms? Swish~ problem solved. Have you ever been to a nightclub? There are two kinds of bathrooms there - female bathrooms and unisex bathrooms. They're talking about locker rooms though. Also why do the females get their own room? Only explanation I have for that is to do makeup so they dont take up space in the main restrooms. |
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| I don't have an issue with transitioned people using whatever bathroom they want. I don't like the changes making it law because people will be worried as to not stop a none trans men entering fem bathrooms and installing camera's or whatever. A dude enters the girls now and people notice or keep an eye on him or question him why, after the change in law people will just have to assume trans. Pervs will use any advantage they can and I don't trust pervs not to. It aint trans I don't trust its law abusing pervs. As for adult only area's like colleges who cares, have uni bathrooms if they want same with clubs and pubs. Public swimming pool area should remain separate. As for school all I know is personally I found changing or bathrooms with my own gender scary enough could never change in front of the opposite sex not as a kid that whole time is already awkward and weird. A lot of my bullies were of the opposite sex last need is them access to me changing. |
SpooksMay 22, 2016 1:28 AM
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| Nothing I would make a scene about actually. I didn't even think about it before I noticed this thread. |
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| The locker they go into should be indicative of their current genitalia. Obviously. Doesn't change how awkward it'd probably be though, fuck. |
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