| Okay so mainstream anime seems to be hated a lot here in the forum. Is it some kind of a must to do etc for a critic? Teach me MAL, I want to became an anime critic too! |
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| it is okay to critic anime what ever it being mainstream or not. but when you hate shows just becuase it's being mainstream, i found it very silly. |
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| Why do people still think that being a critic is based on what shows you like? |
| Not really. It's just that mainstream anime like Naruto aren't considered masterpieces on here, and Gintama of all things is. How this is possible I don't understand. |
| That's just because the forum is full of people with different opinions. For circlejerking, you always have the clubs or reddit. Also, being critic doesn't have nothing to do with hating mainstream animes, but with review one work exposing clearly the reasons why you liked/disliked it. |
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| mal popularity means very little. japan popularity is what important the most. |
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| Of course not. Unless they're badi... If they are bad, then fly away and hate my little anime critic birdie! Fly away and makes alts downvoting one punch man until someone bans you! |
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| I won't call someone a *critic* if he or she has a confirmation bias against modern anime. |
| Being a critic ≠ hating mainstream anime I've seen lots of critics who've rated mainstream anime high and "elitist anime" low and then bashed "elitists" for being "try hard critics" without realizing that they're doing the exact same thing themselves |
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Chaconne said: define sucksIf the show sucks, yes. Otherwise, no. define not sucks Comic_Sans said: Being a critic ≠ hating mainstream anime I've seen lots of critics who've rated mainstream anime high and "elitist anime" low and then bashed "elitists" for being "try hard critics" without realizing that they're doing the exact same thing themselves Have they actually watch that 'elitist anime' (this can be known by whether the can briefly explain what aspects is bad on it or not)? Can they explain it properly? |
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| You know what just stay away from MAL or any other anime-related sites and just watch whatever anime you want, it's proven that it can save almost 100% of your enjoyment |
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| No. Not in the slightest. There are many different opinions, none of them should objectively hate anything mainstream. Where in the bloodiest pits of hell did you get this idea from? O.o @Mizunashii - just randomly saying that your signature is making me struggle in the no fap contest. >_> |
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You said: More often than not, but they rarely manage to give proper argumentsHave they actually watch that 'elitist anime' (this can be known by whether the can briefly explain what aspects is bad on it or not)? Can they explain it properly? E.g. last time I had a conversation with one of those critics that person accused me of being a predictable elitist for giving SAO 1/10 and then I disproved him with logic and facts and asked him to prove me wrong He couldn't |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Lol if ur a critic and manage to hate almost all if not all mainstream animu, thats not a critic anymore, thats a elitist faggot |
Comic_Sans said: You said: More often than not, but they rarely manage to give proper argumentsHave they actually watch that 'elitist anime' (this can be known by whether the can briefly explain what aspects is bad on it or not)? Can they explain it properly? E.g. last time I had a conversation with one of those critics that person accused me of being a predictable elitist for giving SAO 1/10 and then I disproved him with logic and facts and asked him to prove me wrong He couldn't Well, good for you then for winning the debate. Mizunashii said: You know what just stay away from MAL or any other anime-related sites and just watch whatever anime you want, it's proven that it can save almost 100% of your enjoyment Maybe, I'll try hiatus on MAL sometimes XD |
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| Hating on mainstream shows without being capable of saying why is just someone who wants to be call. Hating on mainstream shows while being capable of saying why you didn't like it is fine, since you can back up whatever you say. You don't have to hate on mainstream anime just to be a critic. Also you say hated alot, yet you have stuff like CG and DN that is actually quite well received. |
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| No, not really, anyone can be a critic, after all, it's really hard to give a pure objective opinion without mixing subjective things to it. Mainstream anime are hated just because of popularity (I think). So you get hipsters elitists that goes 'oh, you like SAO? You have a bad taste in anime' kinda thing. |
Snappynator said: Hating on mainstream shows without being capable of saying why is just someone who wants to be call. Hating on mainstream shows while being capable of saying why you didn't like it is fine, since you can back up whatever you say. You don't have to hate on mainstream anime just to be a critic. Also you say hated alot, yet you have stuff like CG and DN that is actually quite well received. I think that CG (especially R2) is hated alot here due to some ecchiness, deus ex machinas, and heavy deathflag? |
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| If something seems good to me, I rate it high If something seems bad to me, I rate it low. It's as simple as that. This has nothing to do with being mainstream. |
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| It's okay to hate something as long as you're not being a dick about it... |
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Mizunashii said: If you let other people's opinions inflict your own enjoyment that just proves that you don't actually believe in your opinion.You know what just stay away from MAL or any other anime-related sites and just watch whatever anime you want, it's proven that it can save almost 100% of your enjoyment |
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You said: I see more people liking CG than hating on it, not to mention it still takes up #11 and #18 on the rankings.Snappynator said: Hating on mainstream shows without being capable of saying why is just someone who wants to be call. Hating on mainstream shows while being capable of saying why you didn't like it is fine, since you can back up whatever you say. You don't have to hate on mainstream anime just to be a critic. Also you say hated alot, yet you have stuff like CG and DN that is actually quite well received. I think that CG (especially R2) is hated alot here due to some ecchiness, deus ex machinas, and heavy deathflag? |
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Snappynator said: You said: I see more people liking CG than hating on it, not to mention it still takes up #11 and #18 on the rankings.I think that CG (especially R2) is hated alot here due to some ecchiness, deus ex machinas, and heavy deathflag? Maybe, Perhaps I've been stalking too much profile of 'uber-elitist' club members tho. |
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| From what I understand, mainstream show get hated because of popularity the show receive, not because of critic. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| If you're going to criticise something, have your criticisms be based on actual reasoning and logic. That's all that being a critic should entail. Letting something as silly as whether an anime is considered mainstream or not be the foundation for one's opinion and subsequent criticism is a surefire way of ensuring that everything that comes out your mouth is nothing more than a load of shit. |
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Chaconne said: another words for it that mostly used is "overrated" which is very common.Okay, but when has this actually happened? I'm sure that there are cases, but it's not a particular large phenomenon, as far as I know. No idiot goes around saying that they hate something just because it's mainstream. They have to find some way to back it up or else no one would take them seriously. |
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kamisama751 said: You say you're an elitist.., But all I see is masochism and pure shit taste >_>aqing0601 said: No, not really, anyone can be a critic, after all, it's really hard to give a pure objective opinion without mixing subjective things to it. Mainstream anime are hated just because of popularity (I think). So you get hipsters elitists that goes 'oh, you like SAO? You have a bad taste in anime' kinda thing. Go to my profile and check out what "elitist" actually means. ;) You got a lot to learn from the casuals like me ;'} |
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| It is absolutely essential to hate the mainstream anime my friend. There's no greater way of demonstrating your independence of thought as a critic than bashing mainstream series (like Angel Beats, SnK, etc.), and praising another set of (popular) titles (particularly the likes of LoGH, Evangelion, etc.) Though seriously, nah. Just be capable of critical thought and support/argue your opinions well, and you're a good critic in my book. |
TheRefractingOne said: what is more funny that LoGH and evangelion is much more mainstream than angel beats....It' is absolutely essential to hate the mainstream anime my friend. There's no greater way of demonstrating your independence of thought as a critic than bashing mainstream series (like Angel Beats, SnK, etc.), and praising another set of (popular, at least on MAL) titles (particularly the likes of LoGH, Evangelion, etc.) |
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Kuma said: what is more funny that LoGH and evangelion is much more mainstream than angel beats.... When it comes to how MAL's active populace regards them, definitely, but in the wider anime viewing base, titles like Angel Beats are indeed far more mainstream. |
TheRefractingOne said: i think you take my words backwards. Kuma said: what is more funny that LoGH and evangelion is much more mainstream than angel beats.... When it comes to how MAL's active populace regards them, definitely, but in the wider anime viewing base, titles like Angel Beats are indeed far more mainstream. things like angel beats sure more popular on mal... but if we talking about franchise as general, LOGH is best selling sci-fi novel and evangelion still holding records for top selling DVD for TV series. |
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Kuma said: i think you take my words backwards. things like angel beats sure more popular on mal... but if we talking about franchise as general, LOGH is best selling sci-fi novel and evangelion still holding records for top selling DVD for TV series. Well, they are older series than most of these "mainstream" anime in question, hence they'd be expected to have more sales, but I think the most important thing to consider is that many of us filthy Western fans don't purchase our anime (or we use legal streaming services that further skew sales statistics), so there's bound to be some definite discrepancies between sales and popularity (as derived by number of viewers, like through MAL's member count), or at least here in the West I think that's the case. |
TheRefractingOne said: that's why i said popularity on mal mean very little (close to nothing). the time when some people critics popularity of a certain series when the series they "used" as basic is mainstream as well, even more "quality" mainstream, i found them being hypocrite.Kuma said: i think you take my words backwards. things like angel beats sure more popular on mal... but if we talking about franchise as general, LOGH is best selling sci-fi novel and evangelion still holding records for top selling DVD for TV series. Well, they are older series than most of these "mainstream" anime in question, hence they'd be expected to have more sales, but I think the most important thing to consider is that many of us filthy Western fans don't purchase our anime (or we use legal streaming services that further skew sales statistics), so there's bound to be some definite discrepancies between sales and popularity (as derived by number of viewers, like through MAL's member count), or at least here in the West I think that's the case. |
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You said: I want to became an anime critic too! Why ask MAL, then? "Bad pacing" is very insightful criticism by MAL standards. Go read on actual criticism elsewhere. |
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| Is it necessary for people to keep asking stupid questions on the MAL forums? No, but most do it anyway. |
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| Digibro is a good anime critic and his favourite anime is K-On. |
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| Only is the show is bad but the most popular things in each type of Media tend to be bad, for example Transformers is a popular movie franchise, Twilight was a popular book series, Call of Duty is a popular video game series. |
MattKitsune96 said: yuo are just not part of the target audience!Only is the show is bad but the most popular things in each type of Media tend to be bad, for example Transformers is a popular movie franchise, Twilight was a popular book series, Call of Duty is a popular video game series. |
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| Of course not. A good critic doesn't care about popularity. Appeal to popularity is a basic logical fallacy one has to avoid in order to be worthy of the title 'human being'. I found myself defending a lot of mainstream anime. SAO isn't a bad anime. For the first part, it's quite brilliant. |
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