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| great episode but brutal at the same time even though Carta deserved it being played by Char McGillis and facing a humiliating defeat can't help but somewhat feel bad for her maybe if she had chosen the more honorable approach from the start this wouldn't of happened but knowing Mika most likely not. Ein fused with the mobile suit was interesting. plus the ost was hella good this week |
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| Glad to see Gundam Barbatos back in Action Wow, Mika is surely unforgiving badass here |
Tokoya said: Raz1515 said: Yeah, I'm finding myself rooting for the Chocolate-Gali Gali alliance too a little especially after this episodesame here, and I'm actually rooting for him now, not tekkadan. What they're doing is horrendous and shows us that they're merely kids and very childesh But at the same time, Tekkadan had every right to do what they did in this episode and their cause is just regardless of that fact that now they don't give a fuck about the enemy's survival which imo is the right attitude right now since the enemy have been doing the same and worse for years because of their corruption Exactly. Carta's story was sad and makes u feel bad she's dead, especially in that way--- but I don't understand why anyone would suddenly start rooting for them over Tekkandan. What Tekkandan is doing is horrendous and childish? You're telling me that acccepting that stupid challenge would have been mature? THAT would have been childish. And please are you forgetting what ADULTS have been doing the KIDS? They live in a cruel world. At first all they were doing was trying to transport an innocent girl who wants equality and such, and at every turn they were hunted down and almost killed. Yet them fighting back now is too horrendous? Sure, Mika didn't take on her stupid challenge but that's her own damn fault. From the moment she was introduced it should have been understood that she's all about appearances and is not actually a good commander. Countless soldier follow her because of her family name. People's lives were in her hands over a name. Over prestige and money. Her stupidity got her "cute soldiers" (who all if you noticed look similar to her McGillis boy crush) killed. You want Mika and these kids who have had to fight tooth and nail to get to this point to tolerate her idiocy? For what? Also, Ein continues to be my most hated character. Ugh why couldn't he just die. Annoying little shit he is. |
InugirlzMar 13, 2016 7:36 PM
Ryushen said: This has some of the worst character development I've ever seen......... and its almost 3edgy5me. Here's your mission: Stop the train, retrieve the politicians No what the fuck, who the fuck told you to demand a duel? That's not how the world works. Are you an idiot? Why are you talking about honor and fair fights when all you've displayed is dishonor and killing children? Am I supposed to forget everything you've done up until you pulled this idiotic stunt to feel sympathy for you? You get no sympies, Carta. Especially for how dumb you handled the mission |
FragOutFireMar 13, 2016 7:38 PM
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| Carta was actually a good person and she wasn't corrupted as others, i was a little sad but then i remember that she killed Bisquit, so she deserved that. This anime is so great, hope the ending will be as great as the anime. Mikazuki is such a badass fighting. Next episode will be Mika vs Ain probably.It will be epic, since Ain is the only one from Gjallarhorn to have alaya vijnana, so he will be stronger than the others. I hope they tell Ain that his captain died because he didn't wanted to fight against kids, he basically asked Mika to kill him. |
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| See, while it looked silly for her to request a fair duel indeed due to killing one of Tekkadan's own and for them being enemies since the beginning, I think she believed that they thought they would comply due to not only wanting to end this with honor (which is nice, imo) and thought that someone felt the same in Tekkadan, but also for the fact that Tekkadan killed a ton of her own. And as silly as it seemed for her to request that, it also showed me another example that Gjallahorn isn't entirely bad, despite being enemies with Tekkaden. While Mika's assault on her was unsurprising, I also found it unnecessary to be THAT brutal on her, and it's not because I like Carta myself since I also found how he killed Crank (Ein's superior) rather unnecessary (Crank wanted to die, yeah, but the way Mika killed him made me a little unsure if that was really "okay"), and he was an example to me that Gjallahorn wasn't entirely bad either since he didn't want to outright kill them due to being children. I know she killed Biscuit (which was unfortunate to see him go), but again, they killed a ton of her men as well. So... lol Now this whole thing will turn into a revenge fest and many are gonna die. I'm prepared for it, even though I don't really hate anyone (the ones I disliked are minor characters who already died or were forgotten, anyway). |
AmyTwoMar 13, 2016 8:22 PM
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| McGillis sent Carta to die, manipulating her to be honorable when he knew Mika would have none of it. He's playing devil's advocate and I don't know if I can like him, especially when his plans involve Tekkadan being put at risk. I didn't want to feel bad for Carta because she killed Biscuit but in the end, I did. I love how brutal Mika can be though. Fair fight? HAH! |
JotakakMar 13, 2016 9:27 PM
kurapikasass said: He's playing devil's advocate but even if he is on Tekkadan's side, I don't know if I can like him. I think you are misunderstanding the series greatly. McGillis is NOT on Tekkadan's side. He's on his own and is using Tekkadan just like he is using Gjallarhorn |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
wakka9ca said: kurapikasass said: He's playing devil's advocate but even if he is on Tekkadan's side, I don't know if I can like him. I think you are misunderstanding the series greatly. McGillis is NOT on Tekkadan's side. He's on his own and is using Tekkadan just like he is using Gjallarhorn I don't think I'm misunderstanding the series 'greatly'. I said "*if* he is on Tekkadan's side" but I edited what I said. I was debating with my brother about this for several episodes because he thought he was on Tekkadan's side and I just thought he was a dick. |
JotakakMar 13, 2016 9:32 PM
Roy_Focker said: Yeah, I think he is sacrificing his "friends" for his cause... But man, if that is the case and I think it is " The end justifies the means" he is as brutal as Mika in the everything that is standing in my way gotta go! approach... That's really sad. Now that I think of it, I think Gaelio will most probably die and then maybe Almiria will find out about her fiance/husband's conspiracies and end up killing him herself. :p Or maybe it's going to be Mika. Really curious how this series is going to end. I'd actually be quite disappointed if this series got a happy ending after all this. |
HatsumiShinogu said: Some people here had said that now that he is married to Gali-Gali sister he plan to take over as their only heir (disposing of him as the same way he did with Carta {deceiving his friend}) and by the actions he took in this episodes it have a high probability to occur… Roy_Focker said: Yeah, I think he is sacrificing his "friends" for his cause... But man, if that is the case and I think it is " The end justifies the means" he is as brutal as Mika in the everything that is standing in my way gotta go! approach... That's really sad. Now that I think of it, I think Gaelio will most probably die and then maybe Almiria will find out about her fiance/husband's conspiracies and end up killing him herself. :p Or maybe it's going to be Mika. Really curious how this series is going to end. I'd actually be quite disappointed if this series got a happy ending after all this. As for the happy ending thing... I agree with you… it would be disappointing to have a happy ending both sides have to much blood in their hands for a Yay! We have a happy ending folks... I expect (I really don’t want to see that but this show needs to make a statement {all your decisions have consequences and you have to own them}) to see more key characters to die like the painting that Fumitan liked, that portrait suggested a Joan of Arc type of scenario… That is why I going to assume this anime is going to have a bittersweet ending by achieving McGillis & Kudelia’s goal but not without heavy losses… |
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Hannah_Ana said: I think things are getting a bit too bloody and violent for Merribit. She'll probably be leaving Tekkadan. I disliked Carta, but damn I was feeling bad for her when Mikazuki was brutally and mercilessly beating her down. However, did she really think that she could negotiate a fair fight with a bunch of "space rats"? Especially after she killed one of Tekkadan's own. I think she did, because unlike Haman Karn, she was indeed a straight-laced and fair at heart person, as foreshadowed by the tree-climbing competition. Fortunately for Mika, she was inexperienced, albeit achieving a high military rank. She and Ein aren't that different, so the chivalrous way of thinking probably wasn't a farce in Gjallarhorn initially or as far as there are people like them in the organization. Which is why McGillis would be making them the avatars of the reformed Gjallarhorn. Basically, he gave her the noble death she believed in. Added, McGillis tested the Tekkadan as well. I guess, it would be troublesome for his plans if they cave in before he fulfills them. I am curious who the traitor was, though. |
| Mika is a total psychopath and I love it. It's cool to see all the more sensible people trying to explain how horrible what's happening is while the children ignore it because "revenge" and "it's so cool". This whole situation really puts on display the immaturity of Tekkadan and how far from reality their vision of the world is. I like the direction this is going in, slowly but surely our main characters are becoming the bad guys. |
| At this stage in the game I'm just waiting for that story moment that concretely opens up the doors to season 2. Great episode. |
| I don't know that Mika is a psychopath, he isn't enjoying the killing in a sadistic fashion. Taking out those three was just removing threats to his crew. "If I let you go, you'll just come after us again." He might be closer to a sociopath, but not really because he does feel things, he just expresses them more mutely. I'm watching Gundam Unicorn and I'm so frustrated with this pacifist "I don't want to kill anyone, killing is wrong" MC type showing up again. It's so nice to have a main pilot that has no qualms about using lethal force in the face of danger to his friends' lives and his own. |
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FragOutFire said: I don't know that Mika is a psychopath, he isn't enjoying the killing in a sadistic fashion. The thing is, he IS enjoying the killing. They very plainly spelled that out in episode 13. He's not a very expressive character so he's not going to talk about how great killing is all the time or anything blatant like that, but he is most definitely enjoying himself when he's going out of his way to crush cockpits instead of just immobilizing his opponents. |
| In an earlier episode, Mika expressed that he did enjoy fighting in the gundam. This is different than enjoying the act of killing or reveling in death in a sadistic fashion. I haven't watched episode 13 in a while though, so maybe he does enjoy killing. He's not very expressive, so it's tough to figure out if he was getting off on killing those three in the latest episode, but his dialogue suggests that he simply didn't care about Carta or her internal struggles (why would he?) and just put her down because that was the thing to do. "You're my enemy right now, so I'm taking you out." The younger kids of Tekkadan are definitely reveling in the killing and revenge, but not Mika himself. |
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| RIP Carta, she was my favorite gril for killing the fat kid. I still love Mika, he's the only mc that actually does the things I yell at the screen. |
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| Mika is a soldier done right. Doesn't waste time on bullshit. |
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| Oh my lord, Mika just destroyed Carta. I mean, Carta had it coming but let's not forget Tekkadan is slowly losing their Humanity for the sake of revenge. Mika has turned into a killing machine whose objective is to kill anyone who stands in their way, this single-handedly is more dangerous than maybe half of Gjallhorn. I just hope Kudelia and Atra bring Mika to his senses, because Olga can't control him anymore! It look like Ein will kill some Tekkadan members |
| RIP Carta. Didn't know they were so close and only now I'm realising McGillis and Gaelio might have some common enemies with Tekkadan. However, Tekkadan's enemy is everyone who stands in their way, so the probability of them having common enemies is high. xD |
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| Well that was intense! Gahhh, made me even feel bad for Carta. Love it how grotesque the idea is that Ein is fused with a Gundam :--D It sounds sick yet that's pretty cool. |
I3rawler said: Love it how grotesque the idea is that Ein is fused with a Gundam :--D It sounds sick yet that's pretty cool. It's not a Gundam, it's Graze Ein. http://i.imgur.com/6JWYKtZ.png Man, it seems like he's just a torso with a head. |
| Chocolate Macky is such a Char it's not even funny: using his childhood friends (one of which was desperately in love with him) like it's no biggie, and discarding them like broken toys when they're of no use to him anymore. Actually makes me sad for Carta and Garm... I mean Gali Gali as well. Not only has Macky pleaded in Carta's favour before his daddy so that she would get sent in his place and rekt by the Tekkadan (thus destabilizing his daddy's position both by getting rid of Carta and making sure Makanai arrives safely in Edmonton), but he also took advantage of the connection he knew Gali Gali and Ein had to push the former to have the latter turn into a human super weapon. This guy is seriously fucked up, but I'm really impatient to see what his end goal is. I'm also very pleased Merribit's scenes this episode. She always struck me as someone who's concerned about the Tekkadan and their well-being, but this episode I took the full mesure of how disgusted she is by the very concept of children going to war: it perfectly makes sense for a mature woman to completely reject the idea and try to find alternatives, even though the kids in question are acting on their own accord. Her almost breaking down in front of the kids as they were watching Mika slaughter Carta's crew was a pretty painful moment to sit through. tingy said: I think it's especially sad because while she cannot relate to their struggles (and her own philosophy prevents her from seeing the merit or the logic in their decision to fight for revenge), she still shows a lot of empathy for them. That being said, I also think that she's been there out long enough to be fully aware that's there nothing at the end of the road the Tekkadan have decided to walk on (Makanai knows it as well, but since he doesn't give a fuck about them and they're useful to him, he's got no reason to stop them). Sadly, this is something the kids will have to realize on their own.neo_carnage5 said: I personally admire Merribit's efforts in trying to tame them, but it's really futile as she herself has never truly experienced what they have. One cannot truly understand another if he/she hadn't experienced it firsthand as well. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking as I watched Merribit trying to talk to the kids in this episode. Her words hold no weight because she didn't have a childhood like them. She can only sympathize with what they've gone through, but she doesn't really understand how that's shaped their way of thinking. It was sort of horrific to see the way Mika beating up the enemies while the children stood there and kept watching, but Merribit is going to have to accept the fact that these children have seen a lot of death and brutality already. After that, she can try thinking from their POV before trying to change their current mentality. And now of course, as for Mika himself: I think I just found his theme song. Seriously though, it feels like the relationship between him and Orga is slowly becoming unbalanced in that Mika's the one gaining the upper hand over Orga. I hope by the end of it all he won't become a loose cannon. |
SapewlothMar 14, 2016 7:53 AM
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You know you are about to have a dreadful day when a Gundam gives you the look... And, without fail, Mikazuki delivers:  Carta could have learned a valuable lesson regarding the essence of warfare, regretfully, that wasn't meant to be. Her death was depicted in a touching manner, it certainly made me tear up a bit. I wonder, how McGillis intends to reform the organisation? By having the next generation of Seven Stars find a premature end on the battlefield?  So Ein actually became a Gundam Graze. If nothing else, it ought to end Mika's dominance, as according to the schematic what was left of Ein had three connection ports to the suit. |
lord23 said: Lunchbox894 said: I don't think their immature you have to remember their not normal kids also one thing I wanted to say is Mika's been executing defenseless or defeated people since the series began so For him this nothing newMika is a total psychopath and I love it. It's cool to see all the more sensible people trying to explain how horrible what's happening is while the children ignore it because "revenge" and "it's so cool". This whole situation really puts on display the immaturity of Tekkadan and how far from reality their vision of the world is. I like the direction this is going in, slowly but surely our main characters are becoming the bad guys. They are immature. Only Biscuit saw that this life they were living would not end in happiness. It can't when you enter the cycle of violence and vengeance. It puts you, and your loved ones, in bad situations, and it changes you. These kids are acting like they themselves haven't killed people who also had loved ones, and people who care for them. Yes, they suffered, but they're slaughtering people too now. There's no black and white necessarily, now I'm terms of the main characters. The difference tho, for Gaelio, Ein Crank and Carta is that they're soldiers following orders. Tekkadan choose to do this. Yes, Ein wants revenge too, but we've seen that he holds his duty above even that. |
| That last minute development for Carta. Spared some for Gaelio and McGillis. 3 for 1 pretty sweet deal. Merribit's in the wrong group. Ein's in the wrong show. Barbatos cries for his shitty upgrade. Good episode for the side characters. Unless I missed something, it was obvious they were talking about Charcolate Man, master of betrayal. |
QuattroVaginasMar 14, 2016 9:49 AM
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lord23 said: Yeah, that's true. It's why I'm not surprised that she got assaulted in such a way, even though I found the extreme brutality on her rather unnecessary. Though again, not surprising, and I'm not particularly mad at Mika or anything (or at least to the point of disliking him at all. He's still alright in my book).AmyTwo said: True But remember it was her own Ego that start this all when she went to earth remember ? as far as I know she got what was coming See, while it looked silly for her to request a fair duel indeed due to killing one of Tekkadan's own and for them being enemies since the beginning, I think she believed that they thought they would comply due to not only wanting to end this with honor (which is nice, imo) and thought that someone felt the same in Tekkadan, but also for the fact that Tekkadan killed a ton of her own. And as silly as it seemed for her to request that, it also showed me another example that Gjallahorn isn't entirely bad, despite being enemies with Tekkaden. While Mika's assault on her was unsurprising, I also found it unnecessary to be THAT brutal on her, and it's not because I like Carta myself since I also found how he killed Crank (Ein's superior) rather unnecessary (Crank wanted to die, yeah, but the way Mika killed him made me a little unsure if that was really "okay"), and he was an example to me that Gjallahorn wasn't entirely bad either since he didn't want to outright kill them due to being children. I know she killed Biscuit (which was unfortunate to see him go), but again, they killed a ton of her men as well. So... lol Now this whole thing will turn into a revenge fest and many are gonna die. I'm prepared for it, even though I don't really hate anyone (the ones I disliked are minor characters who already died or were forgotten, anyway). (but I know where your coming from I'm just saying she pulled the trigger first ) |
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| Mika as cruel as always but somehow I can´t hate it... the end is fast approaching and I can only pray for a happy ending... PD: McGillis is bipolar? Maybe tri? |
Ken_Chen said: Harotaros said: For some reason, I started to not care or feel anything towards the Tekkadan crew a few episodes back. I felt sadder seeing Carta's death than when i saw Biscuits. Gaelio (Ein in second) is probably my favorite character in this series since i felt more attached to him than i do with any of the Tekkadan crew. Earlier in the series, Akihiro had the brother thing going on which was nice, but since then he hasn't grown that much. Somewhat agree, Mika is starting to give that Jesus Yamato feel. Mika is far far from Kira, Mika doesnt care for fair play and lives, complete opposite of what Jesus Yamato is. |
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lord23 said: Delmat said: Huh what ? pretty sure this episodes and the ones before it have made it very clear he is not one-dimensional I think your confusing that for Gundam seed Pls show me evidence of this he doesn't preach about how war is bad like the other Gundam MC ( minus Heero ) setsuna kinda did at the end of season 2 saying war is wrongI don't know, Mikazuki seems like such a one-dimensional character and half of the time it seems like he's not the main lead but a side character! He's just there to operate the Gundam he's not participating in any other activities.. I dont see anything wrong with what Setsuna and Kira were saying, war is wack, unless you think war is cool kid. |
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| People are overlooking the fact that Mika lied to Orga about Biscuit changing his mind on quitting. He did this to further push Orga down this road by stoking what looked to be dying flames of vengeance; as Orga was questioning their oath, because it went against what Biscuit wanted. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People are overlooking the fact that Mika lied to Orga about Biscuit changing his mind on quitting. You should rewatch episode 21 because Biscuit did look like he changed his mind. Not to mention they never showed his response so we don't know for a fact if Mika actually lied about it or not. |
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