| With its score of 7.07 this is currently the lowest rated Kyoto Animation TV series. The next closest being a much higher 7.30. The score has also been trending down with no sign of slowing. Now this is not a hate thread, I find the show alright. There are definitely worse things airing this season. If nothing else its got some nice visuals. And of course we are only halfway through so it could get better (maybe). So is this their worst show. What went wrong, discuss. |
| I wonder if there is anyone here who has actually seen all of Kyoani's shows. |
| Mai's plot makes this show automatically better than Free though :P |
| Well, the score is purely subjective so I would not pay too much attention to it. Especially when you check how many people judge according to their own scale, that does not follow MAL's fine/good/etc. The show itself is not very ambitious but that does not mean it's bad (and surely not the worst). Personally I enjoy it, though I would probably not want to watch it again. |
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| I haven't seen Munto, but Phantom World is the only Kyoani show that I dropped after 1 episode, so.... |
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| Probably yes, but I wasn't expecting much of it anyway. Kyoukai no kanata is bad too, but I was expecting good things of that so the disappointment is bigger. |
| Baby, daijobanai... |
| Yeah, at least for me. Generally KyoAni shows adapted from their own property (novel) tend to disappoint |
TriZenFeb 12, 2016 8:53 AM
| Well KyoAni certainly needs some creative director who would steer the company towards titles that have an actual storyline that people can invest themselves in and at the same time can utilize the animation capabiliies of the company. |
| Given that Kyoukai no Kanata had one of the worst endings in anime history, unless Phantom World somehow manages to repeat that mistake then no |
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| Hands down the biggest problem is the script/story. Not sure what they were going for but they are just plain terrible. Action, visuals and characters are all pretty decent. I still think the biggest disaster of Kyoto Animation is the endless eight arc from Haruhi Suzumiya 2nd season. |
| We are only halfway through the show so I think it's too early to judge. If KyoAni finally is able to get to the plot of the show, which sounds interesting, I think it can turn out to be a decent show. However as much as I was actually enjoying the show I still don't know why the loli is here or had her own episode. |
| Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
| Every KyoAni show that's not Nichijou is bad. |
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| I think the score will go up when the series is finished. |
| Well it's better than Amagi Brilliant Park that's for sure. Though I suppose it's all in the preferences in comedy. |
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| They need to work way harder to do worse than Free. This show is just a mediocre piece of crap like many series out there. It's not like KyoAni is such a great studio to begin with. They have good visuals but do lousy adaptations and made bad series as well. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| I like harem . But this is bullshit . Saijaku Muhai No Bahamut is a generic harem but it's easier to watch . |
| Wohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
HaXXspetten said: Given that Kyoukai no Kanata had one of the worst endings in anime history, unless Phantom World somehow manages to repeat that mistake then no Just because of an ending? that seems extreme. |
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| You only noticed just now? tsudecimo said: The rest of the anime was terrible too so the ending was basically just the cherry on the top of the shit cakeHaXXspetten said: Given that Kyoukai no Kanata had one of the worst endings in anime history, unless Phantom World somehow manages to repeat that mistake then no Just because of an ending? that seems extreme. |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| i don't think it's worst. it's just an okay show though i really enjoy it. the animation....obviously amazing as always from kyoani XD but the plot this time....it's kinda laid-back. it's like other anime that did the introduction things first in the 5 first episode and then go into the actual plot. so maybe episode 7 will get interesting...i hope... |
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VanishingKira said: Equally as bad as Kyoukai no Kanata,it's movie and Tamako Market and it's movie. love story was amazing what do you mean |
| honestly, i even dunno this anime will going to be romance or just still keeping in harem track, almost all characters seems annoying to me, and seriously what's wrong with the story? why is it so lame than last anime they produced?? even i am afraid it'll going bad like what happen to Glasslip from P.A. Works.... |
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eXtacy67 said: With its score of 7.07 this is currently the lowest rated Kyoto Animation TV series. The next closest being a much higher 7.30. The score has also been trending down with no sign of slowing. Now this is not a hate thread, I find the show alright. There are definitely worse things airing this season. If nothing else its got some nice visuals. And of course we are only halfway through so it could get better (maybe). So is this their worst show. What went wrong, discuss. Nothing went wrong. Kyoani got new fans who got stuck to them after they watched Euphonium, Free and Hyouka. This anime is nothing like any of those 3 therefore they drop it at episode 1. If they say they dislike it because of fanservice, then they've never seen Haruhi or Full Metal Panic Fumoffu or even Amagi most likely, therefore they haven't added their opinions on those series. If they say they dislike the art, you know it's coming out of their ass. The only reason to dislike this show is if you don't find the comedy entertaining or you dislike the characters. To be honest, I can't understand the character hate, nor the comedy hate really. The show is definitely aimless though, but that's not really a fault it has. It's just what it is. Mushi shi is aimless and so is Hyouka for the most part. Meh, people hate things too easily. |
| this show is really good people are weird because they dont like it simple |
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yuiyuigahama said: VanishingKira said: Equally as bad as Kyoukai no Kanata,it's movie and Tamako Market and it's movie. love story was amazing what do you mean Yea, KnK was not THAT bad. Its not the best either. Phantom World fails too but I still cannot figure in what. |
| lol who cares? You all are not the target audience anyway. You don't even buy their merchandise. I won't be surprised if this sells like hotcake in Japan. KyoAni knows how to make money after all. As for me, I'll wait for fanservice episode and only watch that and mark this complete when this is over. xDD |
DenjaX said: lol who cares? You all are not the target audience anyway. You don't even buy their merchandise. I won't be surprised if this sells like hotcake in Japan. KyoAni knows how to make money after all. As for me, I'll wait for fanservice episode and only watch that and mark this complete when this is over. xDD They know how to make decent to great anime too. This is why I care, and why seeing this studio prostitutes itself makes me sad. Edit: TitanAnteus said: If they say they dislike it because of fanservice, then they've never seen Haruhi or Full Metal Panic Fumoffu or even Amagi most likely, therefore they haven't added their opinions on those series. Fanservice can, you know, sometimes, be executed and used properly, and even have a narrative purpose. "How can you say that you dislike this show because of X, and enjoy this one because of / even if it has X". The answer is always the execution. The self-awareness in Haruhi (which partly excuses the fanservice) is on a complete different level than Phantom World's. And that's just an example among others. |
parazeFeb 15, 2016 4:35 PM
paraze said: And it is our fault for not supporting them to produce great anime.They know how to make decent to great anime too. This is why I care, and why seeing this studio prostitutes itself makes me sad. They might used to be producing quality anime but I suspect that after Free!, they realized that there are better and easier ways to make profit $$$$ lmao |
| There are only 2 shows made by Kyoani that I liked: FMP 2nd raid and Hyouka |
paraze said: DenjaX said: lol who cares? You all are not the target audience anyway. You don't even buy their merchandise. I won't be surprised if this sells like hotcake in Japan. KyoAni knows how to make money after all. As for me, I'll wait for fanservice episode and only watch that and mark this complete when this is over. xDD They know how to make decent to great anime too. This is why I care, and why seeing this studio prostitutes itself makes me sad. Edit: TitanAnteus said: If they say they dislike it because of fanservice, then they've never seen Haruhi or Full Metal Panic Fumoffu or even Amagi most likely, therefore they haven't added their opinions on those series. Fanservice can, you know, sometimes, be executed and used properly, and even have a narrative purpose. "How can you say that you dislike this show because of X, and enjoy this one because of / even if it has X". The answer is always the execution. The self-awareness in Haruhi (which partly excuses the fanservice) is on a complete different level than Phantom World's. And that's just an example among others. You must clearly remember Haruhi wrong. I don't care what you think about Haruhi but the execution of the boob bounces in the opening, Mikuru running around with boobs bouncing everywhere in their movie ep 1, wasn't anything special. Episode 2 with bunny girls and more tit jokes wasn't better executed either. Later episodes where the fanservice kind of fades away as the show already has you hooked sounds exactly like Phantom World to me. I'd take your statement about execution more seriously if the same team didn't create both shows and didn't execute them in almost the exact same way. |
TitanAnteusFeb 15, 2016 5:17 PM
TitanAnteus said: I don't care what you think about Haruhi Well, I guess that's a way like another to respond to a message that largely talks about Haruhi, and a solid beginning for a message that compares Haruhi to Phantom World. TitanAnteus said: the execution of the boob bounces in the opening Oh, you mean, the silly but not exaggerated bouncing we see during 8 seconds? Ok, let's compare it with Phantom World's opening: what wee see during the very first apparition of a character? Her huge breats. Then the ass of another girl. You really want me to continue to compare these two openings? To be fair, it isn't that baffling just after that, the op don't miss a chance to emphasis just how huge the MC's tits are, but I'll let that slip. Oh, two pixelated naked chicks. Oh, two another. That little thing sure is sexy, and she has quite a lot of screen time until the end of the opening. TitanAnteus said: Mikuru running around with boobs bouncing everywhere in their movie ep 1, wasn't anything special. Episode 2 with bunny girls and more tit jokes wasn't better executed either. Like I said before, the fanservice in Haruhi can be excused to some extent by its self-awareness. You can get a glimpse of it during the first couple of episode, with Kyon's reactions and cynical inner monologues, and it becomes more apparent the more you watch this series. Why the self-awareness somehow help to excuse the fanservice in Haruhi, while the self-awareness in Phantom World makes things even more cringe-worthy? First, Haruhi is a critical commentary of most LN's adaptation, and its medium in general (and even of the viewer's consumption habits, I'm not saying that this anime is 2d33p4u, just that it's not stupid and KyoAni actually did something with the self-awareness). Second, the fanservice isn't over-the-top. On the contrary, Phantom World uses some meta elements ("blah blah blah cliche dating sim", "it's common knowledge but I'm saying this anyways"), but it's nothing more than silly jokes for the viewers that leads to nothing. And I don't remember Mikuru activating her power by massaging her breasts, but that's just me. I don't remember either something on the same level as the limbo scene. Also, here is a tip for you: contextualization. TitanAnteus said: Later episodes where the fanservice kind of fades away as the show already has you hooked sounds exactly like Phantom World to me. Except that the later episodes of Haruhi were good. |
| Is this Kyoto Animations worst show? No. Is this Kyoto Animations best show? No. Is this the best show of the winter season? No. Is this the worst show of the winter season? No. This is a decent, middling show. I look forward to the new episodes each week and so far I have enjoyed it without being blown away or anything, and that I think, might be Kyoani's problem; they are victim's of their own success - People expect a new Kyoani to be a cut above, they are disappointed if it's just 'A good show' in a way they wouldn't be perhaps, if it were any other studio. There must be a hefty financial advantage to the way they've been choosing to adapt/ write in house material so its understandable why they are doing that. Though they will obviously be gifting good adaptable material to other studios, notably this season with Ao no Kanata no Four Rhythm, pleased to see Gonzo doing such a good job on that (which in my reckoning means they're doing it Kyoani-ish in style) Anyways, looking forward to episode 7, for my part I'm hoping for something to bring the group together more cohesively, some 'big-bad' thats gonna destroy the world or something, maybe a little darker with classic Kyoani moments to keep it from getting too dark. |
| LOL no one will beat that Haruhi endless 8 bullcrap in terms of mediocrity |
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| Toss up between this and Kyoukai no Kanata. But to be quite honest... This is probably the one KyoAni show I can not sit and waste 24 mins of my time watching. I think I've watched a max of 5 mins for the last 2 episodes because of how shit they were. I ended up pressing my skip button on my player to skip segments of 5 seconds each time. Literally missed nothing. |
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| Its good though... It had a loli defending her teddy bear kingdom =_= |
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| It's way too early to start assessing the show yet. What we've seen so far has been a fairly detailed character and world introduction. In the next few episodes, they'll have to start doing something with what they've established (or failing to do so,) until we've seen that, we don't even know what sort of show this is. But in any case, I've already watched more of it than I did Tamako Market or (the original material of) Munto TV. (Or FMPTSR, but that's just me, I'm never going to like any FMP which marginalises the comedy.) |
robis798 said: Well it's better than Amagi Brilliant Park that's for sure. ..................... |
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paraze said: Like I said before, the fanservice in Haruhi can be excused to some extent by its self-awareness. TitanAnteus said: Later episodes where the fanservice kind of fades away as the show already has you hooked sounds exactly like Phantom World to me. Except that the later episodes of Haruhi were good. I wasn't saying Phantom World and Haruhi are on the same level. I'm just saying that the fanservice in Phantom World and the fanservice in Haruhi were on par. It's also on par with Amagi and the Full Metal Panic series. Basically saying that Phantom World is a bad show because fanservice makes no sense since prior KyoAni shows had it on the same level and usually turned out pretty good. "Excused by it's self-awareness." Look. This is what it means to come at a show with the wrong expectations. "It's OK in Haruhi because Kyon actually noticed and was all cynical about it." First thing's first. Haruhiko noticed and got embarassed too, but I'm not going to call Phantom World self-aware, because it isn't. He didn't have some inner monologue dwelling on it. He has no inner monologue because the way he perceives the world isn't what's important. He's a different character than Kyon after all. I'm not going to call Phantom World shameless either. It doesn't dwell on fanservice as one of the most important parts of the show. Fanservice is just kind of there. Not really taking away from anything, and only adding on to the experience for some people. |
| Not the worst but not the best eaither |
| "I lost all of what you could call feelings of love. They weren't sealed, so they can't be released. They weren't broken, so they can't be fixed. That which is lost, cannot be recovered." Shiba Tatsuya "There are no regrets. If one can be proud of one's life, one should not wish for another chance." Saber "No matter what happens, no matter how crazy things get, I'll always try to restore balance." Korra "It's madness to let others take what's yours and accept it blindly." Baatar Jr "Instinct is a lie, told by a fearful body, hoping to be wrong." Zaheer "Partner in crime, partner in time" Chloe Price and Max Caulfield |
RickRoss-Sama said: Nothing will ever surpass the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. Yeah the Endless Eight arc was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen in a show. |
| You are overreacting 7/10 is pretty good. p.s. Lucky Star was the worst KyoAni show. |
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| That spot is taken by Sound Euphonium. labrax said: this is best anime for doujin material ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) This guy gets it ^^^^^^^ |
| god there is so much hate for this show ( from the looks of things ) but this is the first kyoani anime i picked up since chuunibyou season 1 ( the way season 1 ended was perfect ). i am not going to lie but when i saw that infamous limbo scene i immediately picked it up..but even so i'm still realllly enjoying it and the concept. Mai kawakami is best tho. also hate it when people stupidly say "fanservice in this anime makes no sense" lmfao |
| Weak-ass "useless" punching bag protagonist, check. Obnoxious big-boobed chick, check. Wallflower-ish shy girl, check. Annoying side character, check. Aloof ice queen, check. Mediocre plot that's unnecessarily convoluted and forces kids to take the role of special forces, check. Protagonist that somehow gets through to any girls problems, check. Obstructive, time-consuming fan-service, check. |
QWERTYFish25Feb 16, 2016 8:20 PM
| no the worst one is k-on piece of moe water shit the best is lucky star |
| MAL users have shit taste. what can we say? |
QWERTYFish25 said: Weak-ass "useless" punching bag protagonist, check. Obnoxious big-boobed chick, check. Wallflower-ish shy girl, check. Annoying side character, check. Aloof ice queen, check. Mediocre plot that's unnecessarily convoluted and forces kids to take the role of special forces, check. Protagonist that somehow gets through to any girls problems, check. Obstructive, time-consuming fan-service, check. Obnoxious - unpleasant in a way that makes people feel offended, annoyed, or disgusted Mai's not obnoxious. Honestly her violent streak or whatever isn't even all that bad since it's played for comedy unlike her saying rude or mean things like Taiga from Toradora. She also smiles a lot and is ready to jump on board for plans if it means helping other people. Yeah the kids are taking the roles of special forces unnecessarily. This show also has a scene where they jump into the air hold hands and turn into a wheel of light to attack the enemy in universe. This complaint would have a lot more weight if you weren't taking the show more seriously then the show's taking itself. Haruhiko clearly solves all the problems XD. Like seriously. If he wasn't there Reina would be fucked, it's not like he only played a small part in her growth or anything. Wait. He only played a small part for Mai too... and HOLD ON A MINUTE! He only played a small part for Koito. Dare I say it, maybe he's just another character in the story and has as much influence on everyone else's lives as they do on him? Yes, they waste all their time on fanservice. The developers clearly aren't having fun making the show and don't skip the fanservice in certain scenes like skipping Mai's stance to punch the ceiling in the most recent cat episode, when they're not in the mood. Nope, this show has too much unnecessary fanservice. We've seen the girls shower like 4 times already like in Full Metal Panic Fumoffu by now... wait... no that only happened once, and they barely dwelled on it. Clearly Koito's been in extremely compromising positions. No not once? Ah well Reina surely has been in... one. Also this? Wallflower-ish shy girl, check. Annoying side character, check. Aloof ice queen, check. Also exists in Chaika, Eva and just.. a bunch of shows. It's in the Legend of the Legendary heroes games too. Having tropes != bad. Having boring characters you don't care about = bad. |
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