Why I hate it when fans boast they know intelligent anime.

Tavor said:

OH SHI-, oh wait, never mind.

Tavor said:
I simply embrace I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me.

Shrabster said:


Looked at list

Noticed you gave SAO a 10

but also noticed you gave Ergo Proxy a 10

Got confused

DateYutaka said:
look at the little hipster hating mainstream tv anime cause [ at least in one pieces] cases do what tv anime is supposed to do

natssuu said:
First world problems.

Zalis said:
This attitude does extend beyond YouTube comments. You can also see it in places like ANN, colonydrop, AnimeWorldOrder, or anywhere else that the "old guard" of Western anime fandom hangs out. Basically, these people are bitter that "their" fandom and "their" anime have changed with the times, so they add vacuous fanbase-bashing criticism along the lines of "anyone who likes this show (that has any hint of moe, fanservice, or childishness) is an autistic creepy loser pedophile basement-dwelling virgin with no job, life, or social skills." These same modern-anime haters then turn around and sing the praises of lowbrow "splatter&tits" 80s and 90s OVAs like Apocalypse Zero, MD Geist, Mad Bull 34, and Angel Cop. Essentially, they're a bunch of hateful hypocrites, and the more ignored they are, the better.

But at the same time, can we maybe admit that Bleach and Naruto probably aren't the best anime ever? It's not a good sign when huge portions of the shows' own fandoms hate huge chunks of episodes. Not commenting on One Piece as I haven't seen very much of it, though it may well be the best anime that strings together a mostly-continuous plot for such a long run.

So I guess whatever the free market decides is right, right?

As is everything else that gets discussed on this site, so I guess we should just shut it all down and spend all our time qq-ing over commercials that play Sarah Maclachlan music and beg for aid to random LDCs that's just going to get hijacked by corrupt warlords and dictators anyway.

Zalis said:


As is everything else that gets discussed on this site, so I guess we should just shut it all down and spend all our time qq-ing over commercials that play Sarah Maclachlan music and beg for aid to random LDCs that's just going to get hijacked by corrupt warlords and dictators anyway.

TsukikageRan said:
Now that you've got that off your chest, my dear boy, do the sensible thing and watch more anime instead of wasting precious time thinking about others who you don't care much about, don't feed or shelter you or just doesn't make your day. Live a little. Show those people that regardless of their opinion, YOU are the boss of what you like - never them.

Now cheer up and remember that it's better to watch anime than to dwell on this matter.

BTBAM said:
hmmm....I tend to find the situation the other way around. People who have watched a bit of anime get pretentious and spout about how mainstream anime are "inferior" because they lack "meaning" or "intelligence". Yeah, people who say that are stupid. Just because an anime doesn't have extreme depth, symbolism, or a complicated backstory doesn't necessarily make it overrated shit. People think their opinion on anime is superior because they only watch "intelligent" anime. Don't make me laugh. So you prefer to watch classic anime like GITS, Lain, Paranoia Agent, Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Revolutionary Girl Utena so that you don't get associated with annoying mainstream anime fans. In turn, popular anime become unreasonably notorious from talk by these "experienced" fans. They try to use logic to "prove" that an anime is inferior by claiming it has cheezy romance, plot holes, or dull characters. Yeah, they call those opinions, not facts, retards. What's really annoying is when you don't like an anime like Penguindrum or Serial Experiments Lain, and they'll say it's just because you aren't sophisticated enough to understand it. Wrong. I fully understood these anime, but they just didn't spark my interest. It's called a matter of taste. Countless times I've been called a moron or stupid simply because I like an anime that someone else didn't such as Elfen Lied, Angel Beats!, or Bleach. It doesn't matter how they try to discredit it using logic. In the end it's not like it actually establishes a fact like they think it does. Arrogant pricks such as these are far more annoying than new anime viewers and those who like SAO and Naruto if you ask me.

Ineptia said:

Reread his quote and cease to be confused.

Shrabster said:


Pretty much this. If it weren't for the two extremes mentioned here (elitist that can only praise a show if it's from 90s and back, and shounen fans that refuse to believe anything could ever top the big 3) the anime community would be a lot better off.

SetsukoHara said:
OP seems really insecure.

philipmarie said:
BVM,

OK guys, sorry for the rant here but is it me or is anyone else here bothered by anime fans who look down upon others and have a hateful attitude towards fans of 'lesser' anime? Case in point, I noticed this fad when I started seeing Monster and Cowboy Bebop. Almost every video about these anime on you tube had someone trying to 'call non-fans out' because they regarded something like Naruto, One Piece or Bleach as the greatest anime ever instead of Monster or Bebop. I couldn't stand this snobbery 1, because I myself don't like Bebop (as seen by my review on it) and didn't appreciate being called immature or infantile because of that and 2, I myself experienced bullying from people who debated topics of a more serious kind than anime and I found the same sense of disdain and arrogance in them that these 'smart anime' fans had.

Now let me make it clear: if you love anime most people would deem smart like Monster, Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent, etc... fine, I totally respect you for that. Hell, Paranioa Agent and Monster are in my top ten most favorite anime and manga ever (Rurouni Kenshin and Berserk being my top 2). It's just that I'm having a real hard time getting into an anime or manga when you have rabid fan boys either putting out the most absurd and unjustified criticisms for it or being all snob about being more intelligent than people who don't like it.

Now not menaing to sound like the biggest hypocrite in the world but I used to be like this; I would troll videos of mainstream anime like One Piece or Naruto and tell the commenter why it isn't the greatest anime ever and why they should watch smarter anime like Elfen Lied, Higurashi, Baccano, etc... but I found that the people there were really nice and would reply in a snarky but dignified manner (one of them told me "I feel sorry for you dude". Priceless!) and I felt bad for mouthing off against them so I decided to stop trolling altogether, especially since I haven't seen either One Piece or Naruto.

This also counts of course to people who show disdain towards others because they love these more mainstream titles. Someone actually said that One Piece is better than this manga I won't mention. Everyone asked him why. He said 'because, it's obvious'. It's not a good image of the fan community and it won't appeal non-fans to it either especially since I did hear One Piece focuses alot on morality.

There is a huge diffirence between not liking or not being interested in an anime or manga and showing disdain towards the fans. There is also a diffirence between stating the reasons you did like it and giving valid criticism and invalid criticism. Someone said that Sankarea sucked because it contaiend fanservice and was all about incest. I pointed out the fact that the incest in Sankarea was treated as SEXUAL ABUSE and the fact that you can't criticize something because of the fanservice when you yourself love fanservice heavy anime like Bakemonogatari. It's hypocrital beyond belief.

Worse still if you regard yourself as the big fat god of all anime knowledge and pretend that people should listen to your opinions as they're seemingly always right. One person told me that he compares anime like SwordArt Online to works like Twilight just to make people 'think'. I told him no, you can't do that as SAO is far from being as bad as Twilight and that you're not the sole arbiter of all things anime. He immediately shut up after that.

Point is, if you love an anime that is smart and diffirent from the mainstream, good for you. In fact, I love these anime and want to be given reasons to watch them. However, putting me or others down is not a good way to do so and neither is being a hypocrite a good image. So what do you guiys think? Sorry for the rant I just had to get it out of my system.

BTBAM said:
They try to use logic to "prove" that an anime is inferior by claiming it has cheezy romance, plot holes, or dull characters. Yeah, they call those opinions, not facts, retards.

philipmarie said:

One person told me that he compares anime like SwordArt Online to works like Twilight just to make people 'think'. I told him no, you can't do that as SAO is far from being as bad as Twilight and that you're not the sole arbiter of all things anime. He immediately shut up after that.
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Immahnoob said:
I think people should understand that calling out "shit tastes" is actually fallacious. Actually, it can be proven to be a mental illness if you want to exaggerate.

Claiming "absolute objectivity" in "art/entertainment" (anime) is biased by default. (I'm looking at somebody we all know on Anime Discussions)

And that arguments about tastes go nowhere.

Calling /thread.

ovoon7 said:


You really got him good. An excellent display of cunning wit.

Baman said:
Well, plot holes are not opinion based, they either are or are not. Likewise clicheés and stereotypes exist, and it is pretty easy to identify them, increasingly so the more experience you have. Which is why a long time watcher will naturally have a much better judgement.

And so you should ask yourself, is not a anime that is full of plot holes and made by shoddily throwing together a bunch of unimaginative clicheés, inferior to one that isn't? Of course it is, opinion does not enter into this at all.

And of course, in the end, whether or not you find it enjoyable does not need to have anything to do with quality.

Immahnoob said:
^ Ad hominem.

Masakisu said:
Resorting to calling me out on my fallacy instead of returning my insult - that's not a good way to argue on an anime forum, surely!

Masakisu said:
Jumping jimmies Batman! why can't I hold all this logic?

IceBurn said:
What is a good anime(entertainment in general) and what's a bad anime is subjective. It's common logic but most people here are mentally handicap.

Avolion said:


Thats actually pretty mean, what you just said...

philipmarie said:


Whether it is shoddilly thrown together or not is still opinion based. For example, Dragonball inspired a lot of cliches which back in it's own time would be regarded as something new. And don't give me any crap about how older anime fans know better than newer fans. Age and experience doesn't necessarilly make you more right or wrong and as someone else said here, maný old school anime fans hate the enw stuff for it's moeness and overdone formulas when their own beloved series aren't exactly flawless either.

For example, Dragonball may be a classic but with it's cliches of raising people up from the dead and from being ripped off so many times, it has not aged well unlike other series like Rurouni Kenshin whose philosophy and simple story affected many anime land manga like Fullmetal Alchemist. Age has nothing to do with how much you enjoy a certain work of fiction.

IceBurn said:
It certainly wasn't meant to be a compliment,

Avolion said:


I dont really get your point, you just rush in here and say "most people here are mentally handicap" why say something completely irrelevant to what is spoken here? Its meant to prove points about all sorts of animes, so join in.

Really, you shouldnt say that some are handicaped, thats pretty serious, think about thoose who are, i know im being kind of protective, but it really bothers me when people say that.

IceBurn said:
Elaborate on why it was irrelevant.
Its not my concern if your upset. Get over it.

EDIT-actually dont explain it. If you have a problem feel free to pm me or comment on my profile. No need to add more unnecessary arguments,

IceBurn said:
What is a good anime(entertainment in general) and what's a bad anime is subjective. It's common logic but most people here are mentally handicap.

IceBurn said:
mentally handicap

IceBurn said:
mentally handicap

IceBurn said:
mentally handicap

IceBurn said:
mentally handicap

Andomarn said:
And you my good sir, who got provoked by youtube comments from these so-called "boasting intelligent anime watching fanboys", must be a much more intelligent, rational thinking and overall better human being by starting a thread and writing half an A4-paper long complaint, about above said people, right?