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| So the anime started off with way to much talking and making no sense at all. The characters had no personality (I know this was the meaning for Shichicka, but Togames character didn't have much personality either at this point) up until about 4 episodes in and that was when I started enjoying the show. Each maniwa just dying without reason each episodes was a huge let down for me, so much was build up for them to simply have no impact at all. The eye was never explained and why Shichicka followed her neither, apparently he fell for her, even though he did not know what human emotion and interaction was (In the beginning I thought it was like Code Geass that she made him fall in love with her even though he had no emotions, but that didn't seem to be the case). In the end it seemed like the eye was her revenge (the white snake that disappeared when she found out it was all wrong), but then going back the times the eyes was visible had nothing to do with revenge, but seemed just random. The story was about altering history, but nothing seemed to happen in the end, everything build up was shattered in the end. Only actual difference between the start and the end was the destruction of the blades and a bunch of people being eradicated. Shichicka ending up with the one ordering the murder of his love Togame was also just insanely stupid. It might be argued that she was just a part of the swordsmith greater scheme, but as much as we saw her throughout the anime you would think she would have more personality that just "I wanna see what happens". It was shown as if she had some big plan, but in the end turning into a puppet with no motive... All in all I liked the anime as it was exciting and intelligent most of the way, but the start, the ending, and the Maniwa as a whole disappointed me. |
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| Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. I'm shocked. That's all I can say right now. |
| I'm sure this series I'll watch not one ten times ;3 |
| all i can say is: everybody dead. also, this is another one of those animes where the hero just end up back where he started. like gurren laggan. apparently people who save the world don't have much ambition and/or happiness |
| Hide behind the mighty wall of internet, i shall |
-Phantom- said: Well before posting I've read almost every comments in this tread... and here's my opinion: if what Togame said before dying (planning to kill Shichicka and the stuff...) was true and not just the mean to make Shichika accept her death then I've got to say: HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT CONCLUDED TO CRAP!!! i mean, at the start of the story Yes, i wouldn't be surprised if she plotted/did something like that, but as the story progressed she changed along with Shichika and I'm not referring to her getting more and more attached to him... Penguin said didn't he? that the old her would have definitely killed him and that she changed... and after all that, BAM! and she dies with that last words! WTF? i was like that o_O On the other hand, if it was the other way round, than it was the CRAPPY ENDING!! she dies and shichika's walking with Hitei... That aside no matter what everyone says, or Shichika himself, that slaughter was triggered by the filling of Vengeance from loosing the loved one, its just he didn't realize that himself or just didn't want to bring himself to acknowledge it... I mean, if not that, than why the hell did he destroy every sword along with the palace, why would he even bother to change the history, he didn't give a damn about everything all that without Togome, it's just doesn't make sense... --and the most importantly, when he took his stand for dealing the final strike, just before the final words and strike itself, Togames hair was shown which he brought along, thous showing the true face of the core reason for Shichika's actions... Okay even though I understand why he killed only Shogun, I just cant bring myself to swallow the last scene with Hitei and Shichika... Last words: I don't know how to describe it otherwise, but the most appropriate would be this: This Anime left a very bad taste... it was just meant for schichika to be able to accept her death, it was a scheme.. i would have loved to see that blonde haired fucking princess die, but w/e anyone who actually believes that it was truly togames plan to have shichiru killed in the end, is a complete fool if you really believe that, you missed the whole point of this anime, so congratulations to those who are truly that stupid you shouldnt even have watched this anime at all then... seriously, watching the whole series and at the end completely misunderstanding what was meant, and what it was all about now you could argue it was all togames strategian side and planning etc, but you'd be dumb anyone with a brain should at least be able to understand that her other eye, the "strategian-eye" appeared, because everything togame said after it appeared, was a scheme her eye appears when she's plotting/fulfilling a scheme the way that schichika reacted at togames situations, the way he reacted when he understood that togame would die... togame realized that he couldnt bear it, that he couldnt and wouldnt want to live on, because he loved her so much, because he fell for her and because she loved him, she couldnt bear to see shichika like that, she couldnt bear the idea of schichika being sad for the rest of his life, she couldnt bear for schichika to possibly kill himself, she couldnt bear for schichika to go all out in a war against the people who had something to do with togames death, she couldnt bear for schichikas only purpose in his life to be revenge, she couldnt bear for schichika to never be happy again why? because togame also loved him, she fell for him in the end it with all a scheme, for him to at least be able to "accept" her death, and live on with his life, for him to enjoy the rest of his life, after having and knowing so few (20 years on an island, losing his sister... now also losing togame...) schichika couldnt bear the fact that togame was dying, he couldnt bear the fact that he had to live without her, because he loved her, he fell for her togame couldnt bear the fact, that schichika couldnt "accept" her death, but instead be sad and live in darkness without any chance for happiness for the rest of his life, or to possibly kill himself, because she loved him, she fell for him in end it was a story about love in the end, they loved each other, they fell for each other excellent, great, fantastic, brilliant anime and story ! really enjoyed it btw for the ending.. i would have loved for schichika and togame to be together, live happily together. but well, thats just me. |
RomeoSep 10, 2011 6:19 AM
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| After long itme finally a great anime i could rate 10/10 D: But yeah Togame death made my eyes teary.. also CHEERYOO!!!!!! |
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| hmmm nothing special 7/10 decent ending to an otherwise boring story with lame animation style. Decent watch but nothing more than that |
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| just finally finished it, yea i know im late, Didnt like the fact that togame died, but it was a must or else he wouldnt of gone full strength beserk. And why didnt he also kill the princess? she kinda had the guy kill togame? resulting in her traveling with him. Possibly a season 2 of it in the far future? Here are some questions tho, i never understood what was up with togames eye, what was up with it? and why did her father have to die, along with why Shichika's father killed him? |
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| Hmm everything happened just as i expected, but goddam that was EFFIN' EPIC! Just, wow, i was in awe towards the end. Too bad about Togame's death, but it fits, also Shichika's seiyuu did a excellent job during Togame's last minutes. Its gotta be one of the most satisfying endings I've ever watched. I can't believe i ever doubted this show. Only NisiOisin can take such a simple concept and turn it to a such as spectacle. I would LOVE to give a 10 but some of the earlier episodes were disappointing, so a 9/10 from me. |
| TOTALLY BADASS!!!!!!!! after Togame died i was like 7/10!!! but after i saw him fighting his way to the top with his true power i was just 0o0!!!!!!!!! feel his wrath!!!!!!!!!!!! 10/10 YEAH!!!!!!!! |
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| nice serie, but the ending was just bad -_- 9/10 |
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| Strangely, I kept noticing all the death flags Togame has been raising the last few episodes.. Didn't stop the man tears though. Anyway, I was planning on rewatching episode 11 and 12, but it looks like it would be a better experience to rewatch it as a whole. This show gets a score between 8 and 9 for me. |
| Beautifully done show and ending. I'm kind of baffled though that they travel together and act all friendly after the whole ordering-the-assasination business, especially if Togame's dying words were mere lies to make Shichika feel better. Also some of the fight scenes could've been done better, even if it's not a combat oriented anime. 9/10 |
Mephz said: hmmm nothing special What is this? I don't even... |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
apatch3 said: Wow - this whole episode was just so emotional first we have Togame's death - and her last words followed by shichika's mad rage - but he doesn't desire vengance all he wants is death, he won't kill himself because he knows Togame wouldn't want it, but if he were to fall at the hands of somebody else his death might seem less self inflicted. Deep down he is still unable to disobey Togame no matter how much he says he isn't bound by her. He has reached the point where nobody is his match not physically nor mentally. Nobody can defeat him - he is peerless, nobody can love him the same way either. Without direction he sets out across japan to make the map he and togame discussed earlier on and in the process spread the incorrect meaning of cheerio, allowing himself to be followed by followed by the woman who ordered Togame's assassination she covers his expenses and maybe some nights he fools himself into thinking she is Togame, on those nights he sleeps soundly, undisturbed. I watched episodes 6-12 one after the other and completed the 12 eps in about three days total. I prefer to watch shorter series in bursts because I feel the story and the message of the series hits harder. The problem for me is I keep putting myself in Shichika's head trying to see if I would have done something differently. Ultimately, the above quote is the conclusion I came to but couldn't accept until I read that someone else agreed with me. |
| i dont like the ending.. though id say this is one of the most memorable series ive watch, had fun with it |
| Nope. |
| Alright, this series had its ups and downs and there were many plot and character elements posed that still have only been superficially addressed, but that ending certainly is among the best endings I have ever seen. |
| OH HE MAD 4/5 for the episode and 8/10 for the show. Saviuz said: I agree.Alright, this series had its ups and downs and there were many plot and character elements posed that still have only been superficially addressed, but that ending certainly is among the best endings I have ever seen. |
mike13531 said: If Togame intended for him to have a easier time dealing with her death, why confess afterwards? It's like a confirmation that falsified their whole relationship, and the entirety of her character development. It doesn't really falsify their relationship, or her character development. She's still admitting that she grew to love him throughout the course of their adventure... but the part of her that loved him was nevertheless subservient to the part of her that had spent 20 years seeking vengeance. She was going to follow her revenge through at any cost, even if it meant sacrificing Shichika and potential happiness. She was pretty honest about it, too, right up until the point where she got caught up in emotion and had her whimsical dream about making maps. Her admissions at the end sound callous, but one can't exactly watch their father's death, swear vengeance, spend years pretending to be in league with the enemy, and still be considered "in a happy place." There's a lot of indication, after all, that the time spent with Shichika was the most humanizing, uncharacteristically happy time in her life. But only when she sees that death is imminent, and that her quest for revenge has become truly futile, does she finally allow the whole of herself to "fall for" him. It's difficult to say if Togame was trying to "comfort" Shichika or just atone for having deceived him... But, all things considered, she couldn't have possibly have given a more profound confession of love. |
| That was one powerful "Cheerio" Split the country in half....well the castle. |
| Why was that episode so motherfuckingly good. |
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| ah sad endings suck, would have preffred Togame to somewhat surrvive too, e.g. with that blade which refuse it's weilder to die ... but overall great anime, just gt to get used that atypical arts at the begining Sent with Mal Updater |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
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| Firstly I'd like to start off I thought this anime was quite good for the most part, however I just felt it was lacking at the very end since it didn't clearly wrap up the story well enough (I had a lot of unanswered questions which I had to look into before I was satisfied). Basically I ended up giving it a 9/10 instead of a 10/10 because of it. I didn't really mind the fact Togame died, however I felt that they weren't very clear on the reasons why she was killed in the last episode (Even though hints were given in episode 10 during the flashback scene). Because the anime is very dialogue heavy, I wasn't able to remember absolutely everything that was said (As such I might have missed some important points that were made throughout the anime). However I clearly remembered that in episode 10, Togame's Father saying this line: "The samurai code says I should kill you, but even for the sake of correcting history, that is the one thing I cannot do. I cannot possibly kill my own daughter." From this I naturally assumed that had she not died, history would've continued to be "altered" as she would've become the next Shogun through her act of collecting the swords. In addition she would have had the power of the 12 Swords of Shikizaki (which the very existence of causes an history to be "altered") under her command. I must admit I never really understood Hitei's character even at the end. I understand she seems to be on somewhat "decent" terms with Togame at the end, but I feel it lacked explanation or any sort of hint of it throughout the entire anime (I never got that impression from the first 11 episodes, before Togame was killed). And because of the lack of explanation, I feel like I didn't really understand how Shichika could forgive and not bear any hatred towards the one who ordered Togame's death. |
| dammit, i REALLY wish togame hadn't died and instead continued to stay by shichika's side like she really wanted. even though she said all those things about her deceiving him the whole time and planning to kill him, there was NO way she really meant it, and when she reaffirmed her feelings for him right before she died, that just proved it the 10-sword pwnage was just too damn EPIC, and his fight with the douchebag who killed togame was just so intense still REALLY wished that hitei died instead of togame (just hated her b*tch personality) |
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| bitter sweet ending, always good hitei no dieing, attempt to troll shichika shichika pwning EVERYONE, don't mess with a dudes girl :] |
| Hide behind the mighty wall of internet, i shall |
DeathStrikeV said: Firstly I'd like to start off I thought this anime was quite good for the most part, however I just felt it was lacking at the very end since it didn't clearly wrap up the story well enough (I had a lot of unanswered questions which I had to look into before I was satisfied). Basically I ended up giving it a 9/10 instead of a 10/10 because of it. I didn't really mind the fact Togame died, however I felt that they weren't very clear on the reasons why she was killed in the last episode (Even though hints were given in episode 10 during the flashback scene). Because the anime is very dialogue heavy, I wasn't able to remember absolutely everything that was said (As such I might have missed some important points that were made throughout the anime). However I clearly remembered that in episode 10, Togame's Father saying this line: "The samurai code says I should kill you, but even for the sake of correcting history, that is the one thing I cannot do. I cannot possibly kill my own daughter." From this I naturally assumed that had she not died, history would've continued to be "altered" as she would've become the next Shogun through her act of collecting the swords. In addition she would have had the power of the 12 Swords of Shikizaki (which the very existence of causes an history to be "altered") under her command. I must admit I never really understood Hitei's character even at the end. I understand she seems to be on somewhat "decent" terms with Togame at the end, but I feel it lacked explanation or any sort of hint of it throughout the entire anime (I never got that impression from the first 11 episodes, before Togame was killed). And because of the lack of explanation, I feel like I didn't really understand how Shichika could forgive and not bear any hatred towards the one who ordered Togame's death. Personally, I think the reason why Togame had to be killed was because of Shikizaki Kiki's plan. In order to perfect the 13th sword, to complete the Kyotoryu, he had to suffer somewhat of a crucial emotional pain. That ending pretty much broke my heart, but it's still one of my favorites, if not, my favorite anime. |
AZNXREVEALMar 18, 2012 9:30 AM
| Great final episode! Togame could've used a 3rd gunshot to keep the dialogue down to around the 3-5min mark though! That was a LOT of last words XD Bittersweet ending was expected and overall this was awesome final episode! An OVA would be cool sometime down the road (but a proper continuation, not a episode 10.5 or something like that)! |
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DeathStrikeV said: However I clearly remembered that in episode 10, Togame's Father saying this line: "The samurai code says I should kill you, but even for the sake of correcting history, that is the one thing I cannot do. I cannot possibly kill my own daughter." From this I naturally assumed that had she not died, history would've continued to be "altered" as she would've become the next Shogun through her act of collecting the swords. In addition she would have had the power of the 12 Swords of Shikizaki (which the very existence of causes an history to be "altered") under her command. That never occurred to me but it does make a lot of sense. So when the guy said its your fault that she is dead is because he helped her achieve her goal AZNXREVEAL said: Personally, I think the reason why Togame had to be killed was because of Shikizaki Kiki's plan. In order to perfect the 13th sword, to complete the Kyotoryu, he had to suffer somewhat of a crucial emotional pain. Sorry but that doesnt make a whole lot of sense. Yes watching her die did make him a complete weapon but it was counter productive to his plan and due to his actions afterwards the plan failed Windrion said: Togame's death: ------------------ While many did not like it, I saw it fitting to the message of the story. It was already mentioned in episode 10 (my favorite ep), by Rinne Higaki that Togame must throw away all objectives for her true objective (meaning she would have to throw away the binding of the snake), but she was stubborn about it and did not wish to. No matter how meaningless it seemed she did not want to, given that she technically spent 20 years of her life aiming for revenge. And so she died in the process as a result, and the meaninglessness of it was emphasized. wilcruz2 said: dammit, i REALLY wish togame hadn't died and instead continued to stay by shichika's side like she really wanted. even though she said all those things about her deceiving him the whole time and planning to kill him, there was NO way she really meant it, and when she reaffirmed her feelings for him right before she died, that just proved it No her goal all along was revenge, which would include killing him later. She had to toss away things like love and her feelings in order to achieve that goal. She said while her feelings for him were real at the end of the day her revenge was more important and she would even use her emotions and feelings as tools and kill him in the end. Only with death hence failing could she give up on trying to kill him and just feel the love. Hence the snake disappears right before she asks permission to like him. |
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| Uh, fuck. Thought that this was the first episode's discussion. Her death being spoiled is something I could have done without... |
| My mind just got blown after completing the last episode. This series was an 8 for me but after I'm done with this mind blowing episode. Its a 9/10 for me overall . Note: You just got to love Shichika ''I don't give a Fuck'' eyes when he enters rage mode. This princess kinda piss me off through the entire series  |
| So as you're laughing at this fool tonight , let me rid myself of any line that I might use to trip you up . |
| Very good indeed. If the graphics were a little better and characters were designed in a more serious and realistic fashion, this series would then be just perfect. However, having such a strong plot, good dialog and logical story almost completely covers up that deficiency. Despite having bad graphics, this series is definitely a masterpiece. It will always be remembered as a masterpiece. My score for this series is: 10/10. (I was determined to give 9/10 until I saw this last episode.) --- Windrion said: @Windrion: Thank you for writing down this nice explanation. Your post cleared up several matters that stuck up in my mind. |
| Why not just attack him together rather than waiting in their own designated floor? |
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| Ok... I'll just say... Nissioisin did an unique again. |
Apologies, I just can't avoid to rant. |
| Overall it's a great series but I do feel that the ending leaves something to be desired. It could of just ended once the credits started rolling but continuing on to show Shichika and Hitei traveling together I think raised more questions than answers. It also doesn't help that Hitei is a much less sympathetic character than Shichika. It's not a bad ending, I was just expecting something more epic to follow up that super epic climax. |
| --Marigolds |
| I give it a 8.5/10 which is a 9 in my book. Why? Well, it's surely not because of the ending. The ending fits. The problem is, that they omitted some scenes in the anime in several episodes and in some fighting scenes some moves weren't even shown properly. Oh, and sometimes the characters would actually counter argument themselves (like they tell you their point, then they tell you the opposite of that, making you be like "What? So you want that or not?"). -0.5 for the missing scenes, -1 for the counter argumenting part. The rest is indeed epic. 9/10 is what the description say which is "great". It's not a masterpiece for the reasons I listed. Cheerio! |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| I'm surprised I liked this anime so much, loved it quite frankly. Definitely one of my favorite anime and undoubtedly gets a 10/10 from me. |
| FUUUUUCK. It would have been perfect if that Hitei bitch had died. 9/10. |
| Well Katanagatari was definitely 10/10 for me - till this episode. I didn't like the ending at all. Togame's death was sad and tragic, but I am into tragic endings, so I was fine with that, what's a problem for me is everything that took place after it. Whole part of fighting in a castle was for me disappointing. And I could even live with Shichika going berserk (though it was like complete ruin of a person in whom he evolved during the journey), but Shichika going berserk and not dying? And travelling with Hitei? I mean really? I almost hated this episode. Everyone who I loved during other episodes turned out to be almost heartless retards. It's ingenious story, absolute masterpiece with exception of this one episode. |
| Has to go down as one of the biggest letdowns in my viewing history. I went into it expecting a highly stylised Spice & Wolf, with samurai action. What I ended up with was the worst of shounen fighting, mixed with seemingly unedited novel>animation repetitive, pointlessly rambly dialogue and stirred well with convoluted future-changing bollocks. Aside from Nanami (only character not flakey-fakey, with depth) and the look of the show, there's little I can praise. What irritates me is that the plot twists were more like half-arsed excuses, there to cover up characterisation failings. This is how I imagine the workings of the author's mind to be as he wrote this shit: "You have as much personality as an inanimate object and, since all you do is kill people/your sister when told and were constantly described as an inanimate object (need to buy a better dictionary, ffs...), why not have a plot twist that MAKES YOU into a 'sword'... without ANY explanation or logical follow-through?... God, I'm good--the fans will eat this up!" ..."Killing that #1 swordsman fella off-page, so early in the game, makes it hard to keep these talk-fights semi-interesting. Only one thing to do: make the 'swords' into armour, machines, guns etc and STILL call them swords. Going with a 'from the future' twist later on will have those stupid bitches sucking me off, anyway, so who cares! lol" "In order to appeal to my... readers, I had to have my supposedly revenge-driven heroine act like a cutesy girly-girl in love-love, with her very own word-punch. If she wasn't all moeified and without pantsu, life wouldn't be worth living. So, right when she dies, I'll have her explain her reasons for acting like a jealous high school girl in wuv, white hair aside, as thus: 'i wuvs u, yes i dose, but my heartv and mind be differ & theres a dark avenger within, contradicting everythin. plz understan. bai! Why not have the lead travel with the woman responsible for the 'love' of his life's death, I say? There was never in any point in her collecting the swords and the him going along with it was totally forced. Bitches be bitches was his logic, I guess?... |
Rincen said: Well Katanagatari was definitely 10/10 for me - till this episode. I didn't like the ending at all. Togame's death was sad and tragic, but I am into tragic endings, so I was fine with that, what's a problem for me is everything that took place after it. Whole part of fighting in a castle was for me disappointing. And I could even live with Shichika going berserk (though it was like complete ruin of a person in whom he evolved during the journey), but Shichika going berserk and not dying? And travelling with Hitei? I mean really? I almost hated this episode. Everyone who I loved during other episodes turned out to be almost heartless retards. It's ingenious story, absolute masterpiece with exception of this one episode. Idk, it totally made sense to me. He's gone berserk because he became the person he is, I don't really think that in the beginning of the journey he would have done the same thing (even with the feelings for Togame, which hadn't changed since leaving the island) |
Rincen said: Well Katanagatari was definitely 10/10 for me - till this episode. I didn't like the ending at all. Togame's death was sad and tragic, but I am into tragic endings, so I was fine with that, what's a problem for me is everything that took place after it. Whole part of fighting in a castle was for me disappointing. And I could even live with Shichika going berserk (though it was like complete ruin of a person in whom he evolved during the journey), but Shichika going berserk and not dying? And travelling with Hitei? I mean really? I almost hated this episode. Everyone who I loved during other episodes turned out to be almost heartless retards. It's ingenious story, absolute masterpiece with exception of this one episode. Well, I kinda with you on this. |
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| Ahh it's so saddening to see Togame die like that. I wonder if she really meant it when she confessed that Shichika was nothing but a tool. And what's with Princess Hitei following him around? 7/10 or 8/10 for me CHEERIO! |
shimuchanSep 6, 2012 11:51 AM
| That was incredible ... just ... speechless . 10/10 |
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