 donghua is mainstream now? donghua is passing anime? |
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| "donghua is passing anime?" Won't happen. Don't worry about it, buddy.  |
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"donghua is passing anime?"
Won't happen. Don't worry about it, buddy.
Won't happen. Don't worry about it, buddy.
| @Serafos It could happen sooner than you think. |
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The good ending has finally been achieved. No, but really. I personally love how different donghua feel to anime, and don't mind the top ten being dominated by donghua. |
Daviljoe193Apr 9, 8:27 PM
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"donghua is passing anime?"
Won't happen. Don't worry about it, buddy.
Won't happen. Don't worry about it, buddy.
| @Serafos It's going to happen if anime continues to shy away from taking risks, and if China loosens up restrictions of ecchi. |
| With the exception of the first one, all the rest rank high due to their small numbers. |
| Notice all the donghua are under 10k members though? Smaller sample size plus dedicated fans means those scores will be boosted (perhaps unfairly?). |
| But almost no one's really watching those, according to the MAL member count. With the exception of To Be Hero X. The few people watching those seem to be enjoying them a lot, but the average rating calculated from such a small pool isn't very informative. |
| Wow Chinese cartoon so much better, shame no one watches it. |
| Yes chinese donghua is definitely surpassing anime you can tell by the fact they all have less than 10k members and the biased high ratings |
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| I demand 104% tariffs on Donghua score. |
| The season just started, donghua rarely get that much attention. |
| Well looks like anime and donghua needs separate I guess (well I be honest their are good donghua and Korea anime though) |
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Old_School_Akira said: donghua is passing anime? I have not been paying attention to Chinese animation at all, but it has been blatantly obvious to anyone who got into the anime hobby that the genre had been on a decline for almost thirty years. The genre peaked in the 80s and early 90s with the most lavishly produced movies and OVAs, and even TV shows with better aesthetics than modern anime. Then the bubble popped and the money has been drying up and the production values declining, with it becoming noticeable during the 2000s with the abandonment of cel painting and then the lost art of complex mecha and creature animation. We went from year long shows to 24 episode shows, and now studios struggle to get out 12 episodes on time and then have to do massive revisions after airing the make them more presentable for home release. The advent of the production committee to fund shows and disperse risk is indicative of anime's decline. By 2010 the bar got pretty low. Sure, you can cherrypick a few shows like FMAB, Fate/Zero that were above average for 2010, but most anime did not meet that standard. China is huge with 2 billion people so the odds are good that someone there could have assembled a studio that could surpass what passes for average in Japan now. |
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I think donghua has more interesting stories than most anime lately.
Also the animation is really cool.
It's not all of them, but the ones in the top are great.
Also the animation is really cool.
It's not all of them, but the ones in the top are great.
MochiGyoza said: I think donghua has more interesting stories than most anime lately. May I ask what you think is unique about them? I have only seen the first one or two seasons of Quanzhi Gaoshou/The King's Avatar about the esports MMO player who starts a smurf account at an internet cafe and competes against his old acquaintances. |
| The member counts in most of them are very small which contributes to the higher rating. |
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| That's irrelevant. Only those who REALLY enjoy it and commit to it are watching it, which is barely anyone as shown by very low member score. |
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| Let me see: Tu Bian Yingxiong X was heavily advertised to the western audince. Tian Guan Cifu - BL stuff...not even an interesting one like Mo Dao Zu Shi. Doupo Cangqiong: Nian Fan + Tunshi Xingkong 4th Season + Xian Ni + Shen Yin Wangzuo 2nd Season for the people who are bored by battle shounen...being its closest chinese cousin - cultivation, ewww. (I mean, even I follow Doupo Cangqiong, since it's such a guilty pleasure.) Valyrian1124 said: May I ask what you think is unique about them? Sorry to butt in, but isn't it kind of obvious? Similar thing as anime - it comes from a different cultural background than ours. It has different references (because of different traditions and believes) or has different takes on familiar things. Also different pool of talent. Of course there will be very similar things, since we live in a (more or less) globalized world, but also there are unique nuances. You just can't generalize those in a simple forum post. |
alshuApr 10, 12:49 AM
| Yea, because their niche fandom rates them high, whereas unbiased viewers usually don't even bother to watch them, that's why their member count is usually too low to be reliable. |
No, this isn't my signature. |
| I can't even tell which are Chinese and which ones Korean from the names as all look the same. |
| Nah nobody actually watches most of these. Thus the highly inflated ratings. |
MochiGyoza said: I feel it's too early to judge Tu Bian Yingxiong X I am just sharing my hypothesis why it's that popular on MAL, no idea where it will go from here. MochiGyoza said: Tian Guan Cifu is more than just BL In its first season it had exactly two interesting episodes and the rest was absurdly boring for a person like me who is not into BL.. So that's my impression. Also maybe Mo Dao Zu Shi has risen the bar a bit too high. MochiGyoza said: the donghua hasn't adapted But we are talking about the donghua here, not the web novel source. MochiGyoza said: regular historical and cultivation donghuas Nothing historical about those, they take place in fantasy worlds. Just power creep, power fantasy xianxia. An example of historical title would be Huo Feng Liao Yuan...but still historical fiction. MochiGyoza said: not the best haha Look at the pretty visuals tho. |
| Nani? China can deprive the community from watching a nice ecchi title at one's leisure. That's barbaric! 😭 |
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Old_School_Akira said: donghua is passing anime? Shocking to some I'm sure, but admittedly it's a pretty low bar to pass.. |
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Old_School_Akira said:
donghua is passing anime?
donghua is passing anime?
Shocking to some I'm sure, but admittedly it's a pretty low bar to pass..
| @this_shit_again yeah there is nothing to watch this spring season. |
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| Shocking how poorly this site lists this shit. Anything below 15k members shouldn't even qualify for top airing because there is an assumption in the title that there is a trend and a fotm aspect applied to this. |
| Donghua has a lot of dedicated Chinese fans, believe it or not – usually, with the 3D xianxia / cultivation animations you associate with donghua, the target audience tends to be middle-aged people who have nothing better to do with their time. I would know because my mother is rather into donghua. It's just that they don't really overlap with the MAL demographic of predominantly male English-speaking young adults in their teens, 20s, or 30s. Just go to any Chinese site and you'll get much higher user counts. The scores are definitely slightly inflated in that Donghua fans are often not significantly aware of other forms of animation. So, the placement of donghua on top airing does not reflect the quality of donghua very accurately. Still, everyone in this thread would be mistaken in saying "nobody watches donghua". |
| Yeah I’m not convinced that donghua will ever surpass anime. If you thought anime was super generic and uncreative nowadays, you havent jumped down the donghua rabbit hole yet. Ccp propaganda and censorship just completely limits creativity. You’d also be hard pressed to find donghua that doesn’t take place in ancient or modern China. Plus most of them just end up being martial arts flicks in the end. Even Link Click, which I thought was going to be like the second coming of death note and steins gate, eventually just stopped exploring more of its premise in favor of martial arts slop. You’ll never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk. Also Ne Zha 2 made 99% of its box office money from China (and perhaps other Asian countries). In the US it failed to beat freaking Demon Slayer Mugen Train. I think donghua might start trending and people will gush over the animation, but eventually all these people will probably return to anime or drop donghua in favor of another medium once they get tired of ccp’s bs. |
RunasiusApr 21, 12:04 PM
| As far as I’m concerned, they could use the competition. I wouldn’t use MAL as an indication of what’s happening on the larger scale, but China is doing some shit with their animation now. |
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Been burned too many times by (presumably) Chinese people shilling for the latest donghua and it being just as awful as all the others. Now I don't even give them a chance. Only good Chinese animation is this one
| @butahime China will pass both Japan and America in animation very soon. Donghua Will rule the world! |
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Yeah I’m not convinced that donghua will ever surpass anime. If you thought anime was super generic and uncreative nowadays, you havent jumped down the donghua rabbit hole yet. Ccp propaganda and censorship just completely limits creativity.
You’d also be hard pressed to find donghua that doesn’t take place in ancient or modern China. Plus most of them just end up being martial arts flicks in the end. Even Link Click, which I thought was going to be like the second coming of death note and steins gate, eventually just stopped exploring more of its premise in favor of martial arts slop. You’ll never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
Also Ne Zha 2 made 99% of its box office money from China (and perhaps other Asian countries). In the US it failed to beat freaking Demon Slayer Mugen Train. I think donghua might start trending and people will gush over the animation, but eventually all these people will probably return to anime or drop donghua in favor of another medium once they get tired of ccp’s bs.
You’d also be hard pressed to find donghua that doesn’t take place in ancient or modern China. Plus most of them just end up being martial arts flicks in the end. Even Link Click, which I thought was going to be like the second coming of death note and steins gate, eventually just stopped exploring more of its premise in favor of martial arts slop. You’ll never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
Also Ne Zha 2 made 99% of its box office money from China (and perhaps other Asian countries). In the US it failed to beat freaking Demon Slayer Mugen Train. I think donghua might start trending and people will gush over the animation, but eventually all these people will probably return to anime or drop donghua in favor of another medium once they get tired of ccp’s bs.
Runasius said: never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk. That’s a good thing? What’s wrong with 90% of Donghua being about ancient China? Chinese mythology is interesting even a lot of people in Japan like Chinese culture. The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation. |
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Runasius said:
never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
That’s a good thing? What’s wrong with 90% of Donghua being about ancient China? Chinese mythology is interesting even a lot of people in Japan like Chinese culture.
The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation.
Old_School_Akira said: Maybe it can find appeal in Asia, however, it's going to be a hard sell, for anyone in the West to truly care about Chinese history/mythology. I know Wukong did well for itself however, if you want consistent hits, internationally you need more universal themes, and I find that anime tends to present that more often. Genshin for instance, is an example of finding wider popularity by hitting on familiar notes. So it's not like China can't do that. That’s a good thing? What’s wrong with 90% of Donghua being about ancient China? Chinese mythology is interesting even a lot of people in Japan like Chinese culture. Valyrian1124 said: I have not been paying attention to Chinese animation at all, but it has been blatantly obvious to anyone who got into the anime hobby that the genre had been on a decline for almost thirty years. The genre peaked in the 80s and early 90s with the most lavishly produced movies and OVAs, and even TV shows with better aesthetics than modern anime. Then the bubble popped and the money has been drying up and the production values declining, with it becoming noticeable during the 2000s with the abandonment of cel painting and then the lost art of complex mecha and creature animation. We went from year long shows to 24 episode shows, and now studios struggle to get out 12 episodes on time and then have to do massive revisions after airing the make them more presentable for home release. The advent of the production committee to fund shows and disperse risk is indicative of anime's decline. By 2010 the bar got pretty low. Sure, you can cherrypick a few shows like FMAB, Fate/Zero that were above average for 2010, but most anime did not meet that standard. China is huge with 2 billion people so the odds are good that someone there could have assembled a studio that could surpass what passes for average in Japan now. Even as someone who really likes 80s anime, this is very out of touch lol. Anime is more popular than it ever has been, and most fans only care about shows in the 2010s/2020s. The reason why studios struggle with just getting 12 episode shows out the door, is because of the demand for anime has outstripped the supply, of animators. Also I mean you can say old good, new bad however, you have plenty of very high quality productions today. Lots of animation errors, limited animation in older shows too. Also OP is literally looking at the MAL rating lol. That has nothing to do with popularity. The popularity numbers on MAL are quite low. 5,000 members means it's one of the least popular anime this season. It's great for the small amount of Donghua fans on this site, however, I don't see how this proves frankly anything. |
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Runasius said:
never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
That’s a good thing? What’s wrong with 90% of Donghua being about ancient China? Chinese mythology is interesting even a lot of people in Japan like Chinese culture.
The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation.
Old_School_Akira said: The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation. He was a fan of Princess Iron Fan. Can you name even a 2nd Chinese animation he enjoyed? |
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Runasius said:
never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
never get a donghua like ghost in the shell, Vinland saga, or berserk.
That’s a good thing? What’s wrong with 90% of Donghua being about ancient China? Chinese mythology is interesting even a lot of people in Japan like Chinese culture.
The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation.
| @Old_School_Akira I mean we already find anime tiring because most of it is just isekai and school rom coms these days. It’ll be the same thing if most donghua are just about cultivation set during imperial China. We need some more variety than “feudal China anime #1000”. |
| It's a bottleneck effect. These shows are watched by either relatively few people, or by too many people from a narrow community. So either the rating is initially too high, or there are too few votes, so the high rating does not change for a long time. Remember Solo Leveling. |
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How can they be anime if they're not from Japanese Animation studios, your list is fake. |
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How can they be anime if they're not from Japanese Animation studios, your list is fake.
| @RainyEvenings MAL for some reason lists donghua from china as “anime” |
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Old_School_Akira said:
The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation.
The creator of Astro boy was also a fan of Chinese animation.
He was a fan of Princess Iron Fan. Can you name even a 2nd Chinese animation he enjoyed?
@Lucifrost wukong the monkey king that Goku ripped off of. |
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| @Old_School_Akira Is Wukong the name of a movie? Can you link to its MAL page? I don't know very much about donghua. |
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@Old_School_Akira
Is Wukong the name of a movie? Can you link to its MAL page? I don't know very much about donghua.
Is Wukong the name of a movie? Can you link to its MAL page? I don't know very much about donghua.
| @Lucifrost This movie I think: https://myanimelist.net/anime/6855/Da_Nao_Tiangong  |
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| @Old_School_Akira Hmm, that does seem to have the same art style as the picture with Astro Boy. This is my 1st time hearing of such a thing, possibly because it came out after Tezuka's own Wukong movie. https://myanimelist.net/anime/4481/Saiyuuki |
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| It is just a particularly bad anime season. I genuinely can't remember the last time a season was this bad. A regular season has much more firepower. Also, donghua has certainly improved over the years, so definitely some good shows will pop out here and there. |
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| @Old_School_Akira Dragon Ball was originally sort of based off Journey to the West but showing that picture and saying "Goku is just a ripoff of this" is really dumb, dude. Look at a picture of Goku and tell me they're the same thing. See literally anything that Goku does in DB and show me where Wukong does substantively the same thing. |
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@Old_School_Akira Dragon Ball was originally sort of based off Journey to the West but showing that picture and saying "Goku is just a ripoff of this" is really dumb, dude. Look at a picture of Goku and tell me they're the same thing. See literally anything that Goku does in DB and show me where Wukong does substantively the same thing.
| @LotteGiants Goku is a monkey with a staff like Wukong. He is the Japanese rip off of wukong. Even the Nine-tailed fox was originally Chinese mythology. |
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