| On episode 2 of season 1, it's established by the show that demon is weak against sunlight, even a slight amount of sunlight in the morning was strong enough to kill a demon, BUT how did Nezuko survive from sunlight in episode 1 of season 1? Is it because of the snowy day and there was a lot of cloud in the sky? But as far as i know up to 80 percent of UV rays burn right through the clouds, so it doesn't matter whether it was a snowy day or not, and there was enough sunlight to form a shadow on that day, she should have been roasted... Well actually a little burn on her face should be enough, but no she was completely fine lol. It's definitely a plot hole in my book, it's inconsistent and there is no explaination either. But what about you guys? Do you think it's a plot hole?. Mod Edit: Thread has been cleaned |
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| That's definitely a great point. When its THIS blatant, I would have to say its foreshadowing to Nezuko being different from your average demon rather than it being a plot hole. |
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| It was a foreshadowing. You'll understand when the manga gets animated |
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| No. Just because it was not explained YET, it doesn't mean that it's a plot hole. We already know, that Nezuko is one of a kind for being able to singlehandedly resist Muzan's influence right after her conversion, with Tamaoyo being the only other. There must be a reason why Muzan went out to kill Kamado family in person, instead of sending his underlings as he usually does. Explaining this further would go into spoiler territory. Also, you can make an argument, that indirect sunlight obstructed by clouds significantly diminishes it's negative effects on demons. |
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| It’s like asking why asta got 5 clover Grimore out of nowhere, which was explained later in the story . So yeah it will be explained later if u are an anime watcher u need to wait till season 3 end |
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Piromysl said: i agree about that, we can't just call it a plot hole just because it's unexplained at the moment, but it also has inconsistency in it, thats why i count it as a plot hole, but i changed my mind after seeing many replies saying it will be explained later.No. Just because it was not explained YET, it doesn't mean that it's a plot hole. We already know, that Nezuko is one of a kind for being able to singlehandedly resist Muzan's influence right after her conversion, with Tamaoyo being the only other. There must be a reason why Muzan went out to kill Kamado family in person, instead of sending his underlings as he usually does. Explaining this further would go into spoiler territory. Also, you can make an argument, that indirect sunlight obstructed by clouds significantly diminishes it's negative effects on demons. And that argument, if clouds were able to protect demons just like nezuko did in episode 1, then we should've seen or heard about demons roaming and killing people at day time, but so far every demon we encoutered was hunting at night time. |
Tower_Of_Trash said: Piromysl said: i agree about that, we can't just call it a plot hole just because it's unexplained at the moment, but it also has inconsistency in it, thats why i count it as a plot hole, but i changed my mind after seeing many replies saying it will be explained later.No. Just because it was not explained YET, it doesn't mean that it's a plot hole. We already know, that Nezuko is one of a kind for being able to singlehandedly resist Muzan's influence right after her conversion, with Tamaoyo being the only other. There must be a reason why Muzan went out to kill Kamado family in person, instead of sending his underlings as he usually does. Explaining this further would go into spoiler territory. Also, you can make an argument, that indirect sunlight obstructed by clouds significantly diminishes it's negative effects on demons. And that argument, if clouds were able to protect demons just like nezuko did in episode 1, then we should've seen or heard about demons roaming and killing people at day time, but so far every demon we encoutered was hunting at night time. No. Something being foreshadowed and yet to be explained is not a plot hole, period. And Average Joe does not even know about Demon's existence just like Demon Slayer Corps are not officially recognized by the government, because if they would run rampant and more open about their activity, government would actually get involved and launch an all out war. There is a good reason why Demons preferer to infiltrate human society and keep low profile instead of just seize the power, which would be effortless. |
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Xshake said: It’s like asking why asta got 5 clover Grimore out of nowhere, which was explained later in the story . So yeah it will be explained later if u are an anime watcher u need to wait till season 3 end Fr, nowadays Anime fans seem to have low attention span which they don't have the patience to wait for answers. An_Je942 said: Manga readers, please spoil me (ofc with spoiler mark). I’ve been spoiled about (more or less) everything from the kny fandom, atp drop even irrelevant spoilers if needed :) You know you could just search for them instead of asking right? |
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Piromysl said: Tower_Of_Trash said: i agree about that, we can't just call it a plot hole just because it's unexplained at the moment, but it also has inconsistency in it, thats why i count it as a plot hole, but i changed my mind after seeing many replies saying it will be explained later. And that argument, if clouds were able to protect demons just like nezuko did in episode 1, then we should've seen or heard about demons roaming and killing people at day time, but so far every demon we encoutered was hunting at night time. No. Something being foreshadowed and yet to be explained is not a plot hole, period. i agree about that, we can't just call it a plot hole just because it's unexplained at the moment, but it also has inconsistency in it, thats why i count it as a plot hole And Average Joe does not even know about Demon's existence just like Demon Slayer Corps are not officially recognized by the government, because if they would run rampant and more open about their activity, government would actually get involved and launch an all out war. There is a good reason why Demons preferer to infiltrate human society and keep low profile instead of just seize the power, which would be effortless. Fair enough, makes sense. |
aka_panda said: RioFS said: That's definitely a great point. When its THIS blatant, I would have to say its foreshadowing to Nezuko being different from your average demon rather than it being a plot hole. But why was nezuko different ? That was never really explained Their bloodline wasn't anything special. And no, doing sun breathing cannot change your genetic structure. It doesn't work like that. 'The Chosen One' or something, idk. I'm an anime-only. If I had to make a guess, Muzan probably committed a mistake or something, resulting in Nezuko. |
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| It's not a plot hole. But I don't know how many years it will take the anime to get up to the point where they explain it. |
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aka_panda said: RioFS said: 'The Chosen One' or something, idk. I'm an anime-only. If I had to make a guess, Muzan probably committed a mistake or something, resulting in Nezuko. I am a manga reader It was never explained It might be personal bias but I really really really loathe the "choosen one" troupe in shonen The manga is finished, right? A plot hole it is, then. The 'chosen one' troupe can be good, only if it's executed right, as in the Prequels. |
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| while I've commented in several other threads about plot holes/armour (more so armour), I do think this has to be too blatant of a point to be a plot hole, if it's actually not explained later that would be pretty shit, I'd guess its something to do with the reason nezuko is different in the first place |
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| OOO nice observation actually, i thought of that before but brushed it off with the thought that clouds protected her with what the replies here are saying im definitely excited for that to get explained |
aka_panda said: I’m an anime only but I do know quite a lot of spoilers unfortunately, including the one everyone here is talking about. The answer to this question is very much explained, so I don’t get why you’re saying it isn’t. RioFS said: 'The Chosen One' or something, idk. I'm an anime-only. If I had to make a guess, Muzan probably committed a mistake or something, resulting in Nezuko. I am a manga reader It was never explained It might be personal bias but I really really really loathe the "choosen one" troupe in shonen Also, for the OP: Even disregarding the reasoning for it, clouds absorb and scatter light. So in this instance she wasn’t under direct sunlight. You’re also making an appeal to reality assuming that the mechanics of our world should perfectly translate to this world. It’s like arguing “well technically the moon’s light is just a reflection of sunlight therefore demons should all he burned to death by the moon too!!!” or that “The nichirin blades absorb sunlight so any reflection of light coming off of the blade and hitting a demon should instantly kill it!!!” When that clearly isn’t how it works in this world. Sunlight to some degree is ALWAYS present in the world, even throughout the night. It’s clear that being in direct contact with sunlight while the sun is visible in the sky, AKA being seen by the Sun God - since this anime very much validates the existence of the shinto gods - is what kills demons. |
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aka_panda said: The reason literally IS their ancestry. You can't just see that fact and explanation and then arbitrarily decide that it's not the explanation..? Much like how Giyuu said Nezuko would be fine because of the clouds. That's literally the explanation for it. MikitoList said: I’m an anime only but I do know quite a lot of spoilers unfortunately, including the one everyone here is talking about. The answer to this question is very much explained, so I don’t get why you’re saying it isn’t. Also, for the OP: Even disregarding the reasoning for it, clouds absorb and scatter light. So in this instance she wasn’t under direct sunlight. You’re also making an appeal to reality assuming that the mechanics of our world should perfectly translate to this world. It’s like arguing “well technically the moon’s light is just a reflection of sunlight therefore demons should all he burned to death by the moon too!!!” or that “The nichirin blades absorb sunlight so any reflection of light coming off of the blade and hitting a demon should instantly kill it!!!” When that clearly isn’t how it works in this world. Sunlight to some degree is ALWAYS present in the world, even throughout the night. It’s clear that being in direct contact with sunlight while the sun is visible in the sky, AKA being seen by the Sun God - since this anime very much validates the existence of the shinto gods - is what kills demons. There is not Wth you talkin about ? It was never shown in manga why nezuko or tanjiro were special. Nezuko had good potential to be a powerful demon cuz...... plot. If there is anything more then tell me. And no, their ancestor learning sun breathing did not change or improved their bloodline or genetics. Genetic change cannot happen like that. Their bloodline is as normal as it can get. About your second comment its so much of a stretch it puts luffy to shame. Demons are unaffected in moonlight (while its technically sunlight) cuz its not directly sunlight. Its intensity is much lesser & the heat energy of the sun is absorbed by the moon and thus it cannot bring pain to the demons. Nichirin blades only work cuz they absorb sunlight somehow. And that knock-off hamon aka sun breathing also burns demon cuz it is energy of the sun ig ? There are gods but they are only to give judgement in afterlife. All killings are done by humans & demons only. I know headcanons are a thing but what in the goddamn world was that Is English not your first language? Because you don't seem to be understanding what I said and why I said it. "Demons are unaffected in moonlight (while its technically sunlight) cuz its not directly sunlight. Its intensity is much lesser & the heat energy of the sun is absorbed by the moon and thus it cannot bring pain to the demons." - thanks for reiterating the point I already made..? I don't know how anything I said was a stretch. The moon absorbing and reflecting sunlight is the same as the storm clouds absorbing and scattering sunlight, both of which decrease the intensity - which is why demons don't die even though they are technically touching sunlight in both instances, because it's not direct sunlight. So what I said was a stretch, but then you're agreeing with it? That's really odd. "All killings are done by humans & demons only." - First of all, the SUN kills demons, so that's not true. Second, Hinokami = Sun God. Hinokami Kagura = Dance of the Sun God. Even though the "Sun God" is canonically a real thing in this world, I was speaking of the "Sun God" metaphorically. Being visible in the "eyes of the sun" is what kills demons, AKA direct sunlight, hence why they don't die to moonlight or while existing literally anywhere on Earth. This isn't a headcanon, it's the logical explanation set up by the lore of the world. |
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aka_panda said: I mean exactly what I said by that the Sun God canonically exists: "Our family works with fire, so to ward of injuries and disasters, we offer this dance to Hinokami-sama, along with our prayers, at the start of each year." S1:E19. They are of an ancestry that is blessed by the Sun God, which is what makes them special. That's literally the reason as to why MikitoList said: The reason literally IS their ancestry. You can't just see that fact and explanation and then arbitrarily decide that it's not the explanation..? Much like how Giyuu said Nezuko would be fine because of the clouds. That's literally the explanation for it. Is English not your first language? Because you don't seem to be understanding what I said and why I said it. "Demons are unaffected in moonlight (while its technically sunlight) cuz its not directly sunlight. Its intensity is much lesser & the heat energy of the sun is absorbed by the moon and thus it cannot bring pain to the demons." - thanks for reiterating the point I already made..? I don't know how anything I said was a stretch. The moon absorbing and reflecting sunlight is the same as the storm clouds absorbing and scattering sunlight, both of which decrease the intensity - which is why demons don't die even though they are technically touching sunlight in both instances, because it's not direct sunlight. So what I said was a stretch, but then you're agreeing with it? That's really odd. "All killings are done by humans & demons only." - First of all, the SUN kills demons, so that's not true. Second, Hinokami = Sun God. Hinokami Kagura = Dance of the Sun God. Even though the "Sun God" is canonically a real thing in this world, I was speaking of the "Sun God" metaphorically. Being visible in the "eyes of the sun" is what kills demons, AKA direct sunlight, hence why they don't die to moonlight or while existing literally anywhere on Earth. This isn't a headcanon, it's the logical explanation set up by the lore of the world. I was askin why their ancestry is special ? That was never explained. They are not some descendants of the creator of sun breathing. The first one to use sun breathing in tanjiro's bloodline was just a normal human, there was nothing special about him. It was never explained and you are not answering shit either. Why is their bloodline special ? How can a random ancestry be this much special huh ? You are the one who is not answering questions and is doing movements in air. I was calling a stretch because you equated demons dying in the sun to the the shinto gods thats. What the hell do you mean by that a sun god canonically exists ? How even a person be so incorrect yet still have the gall to say shit like this ? The sun breathing was taught to tanjiro's ancestor by the man appearing in daki's vision. After generations it grew into a tradition and it was named after the sun god. It has no relations to a god or anything. Sun god either refers to the sun itself or that red haired man (even tanjiro's ancestor described his breathing moves as beautiful dance moves). So the sun god is not technically a god but just the man in daki's vision. Goodness you only know your shit half correct and are babbling on & on. Is english your 3rd language ? It seems you were not able to understand my statements. I said that only humans kill demon as a reply to your incorrect statement of shinto gods killing demons. Shinto gods only send em to heaven or hell. The killings are done by humans with nichirin blades or technically the sun Wait. You have not even read the manga. You just know some details but still you are going on & on with me who has read the manga and knows everything about the "actual" lore instead of a headcanon of shinto gods. Good heavens. I cannot make this shit up. . The mangaka doesn't overly explain every minute detail because the logic of it all should be grasped via a very basic level of common sense. "I was calling a stretch because you equated demons dying in the sun to the the shinto gods thats." Your sentence calling it a stretch literally started this paragraph: aka_panda said: If you can't structure your responses properly, don't complain to me that I'm interpreting your remarks incorrectly. Because the fact is, I'm not, you just don't know how to speak.About your second comment its so much of a stretch it puts luffy to shame. Demons are unaffected in moonlight (while its technically sunlight) cuz its not directly sunlight. Its intensity is much lesser & the heat energy of the sun is absorbed by the moon and thus it cannot bring pain to the demons. Nichirin blades only work cuz they absorb sunlight somehow. And that knock-off hamon aka sun breathing also burns demon cuz it is energy of the sun ig ? I literally never said shinto gods killed demons. I literally told you I was saying that as a metaphor - as in it's not literal. I don't know why you keep harping on that statement. You would've understood that if you had a better understanding of the language. The show itself has a shit ton of connections and allusions to shinto & buddhism, which is why I make those connections. And to be honest, you having read the manga means absolutely nothing to me. There's an absurd amount of people on this site who claim to have read the manga, yet continually ask questions about "unexplained" things that have always had an explanation. I'm sure the reason you think it's unexplained is because you simply don't understand the text. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and we can come back to this in a few years when the anime ends, lmao. BTW, you don't put spaces before a question mark, only after. "Hello?" not "Hello ?" |
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aka_panda said: Yeah Lookin back at it, it was preety stupid of me to deal with someone who refuses to listen to anything you say. I really shouldn't hv argued over a fictional topic this much Tch Why’d you delete everything lol? |
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