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Do we even need training arcs in battle shonen?

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Jul 5, 2021 3:53 AM
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Even Allen Iverson said that practice is not that important and he only maybe missed one practice, so, do those main characters need practice to become better fighters? does practice makes you better? how much practice do we need to see?
I personally get bored when I see people practice, I just wanna see them fight, practice is kinda boring and looks like filler, I mean, it's just practice.

Jul 5, 2021 4:02 AM
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Training is important for characters to create new moves, build teams, make out plans,etc. If none of these are present in a battle shounen, it would be so confusing and people will ask more questions.

Look what happened to God of highschool. It had no training arcs and just straight up jump to the fights with random ass backstories of random characters we won't care about in the future.

The thing is training arcs are more for us to get attached to the characters and of an anime hasn't make your get attached, then it hasn't done a good job. You should've provide some examples one what you are taking about.
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Jul 5, 2021 4:07 AM
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is this Allen Iverson's burner MAL account?
Jul 5, 2021 4:23 AM
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Well training arcs almost ruined hxh for me
Jul 5, 2021 4:27 AM
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"Do we even need battle shounen" seems to be a good question to me.
Jul 5, 2021 4:28 AM
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Theres a reason iverson has no rings, but on a serious note yeah probably. Look at Haikyus training arcs serving as not only realistic progression but also character building, its an easy way to bring out the best in your characters (technically festival arcs are the best but thats not here or there) so yeah
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Jul 5, 2021 4:28 AM
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yeah I agree I really don’t care much for training arcs in anime, I’m fine if they last maybe one episode or two but a whole arc is almost like filler in my eyes
Jul 5, 2021 4:37 AM
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EverNight said:
Well training arcs almost ruined hxh for me

Whole HxH is a Trainings Arc lmao
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Jul 5, 2021 4:43 AM
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I mean they are good if done correctly , i kinda liked the Naruto Trainings Arcs for his Rasen-Shuriken , you saw him getting stronger meanwhile you saw Shikamaru and Co. hunting Akatsuki , it couldve been a bit shorter but overall it was pretty good to watch , Imo they are kinda necessary as you grow more attached to the character in general. Also its a bit "boring" to just see a battle shonen Mc just getting stronger without any signs of how and why. Also look at HxH , that whole show was basically a Trainings Arc and it still fking great .One Piece has also a good way to power up his characters without relying on real "trainings arcs" , most shonen just throw a Timeskip at some point to skip the training but still having a good explanation for the sudden powerup/power growth


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Jul 5, 2021 4:46 AM

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My Answer is:

I think we need it in shounen.
I mean, as an anime watcher of Demon Slayer, i dont even understand how Tanjiro's powers work.
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Jul 5, 2021 4:54 AM

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Training arcs, in my opinion, are necessary for character development. Without them, the sudden upgrade on the abilities of the characters can be confusing to follow. I'm not the biggest fan of it either but they're important in presenting the milestones of the characters as the story progresses. Imagine watching Hunter x Hunter without seeing Gon and Killua's harsh training at Greed Island as you go through the Chimera Ant Arc, or perhaps Naruto using the Rasengan out of blue without showing how he actually learned that jutsu. If done right, training arcs can just be as entertaining as battle arcs.




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Jul 5, 2021 4:54 AM
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Nothing wrong with training arcs. shows the characters determination.
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Jul 5, 2021 4:56 AM

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I have no problem with a single training arc but some anime literally takes 12 episodes every single season for MC to learn a new move, Take BNHA for example
Jul 5, 2021 5:05 AM

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Training/progress arcs are the most important in anime. Too bad 12ep animes don't have time to show it and just keep skipping it. I hate when they skip whole training/progress and MC is in no time OP. Its pretty boring when you see him/her OP without seeing how he/she got so strong.
Too bad nowdays we don't have animes like Naruto where you were watching him growing, his each steps in getting stronger etc.
Jul 5, 2021 5:21 AM

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We definitely don't need training arcs, look at JoJo, it's great having no training arcs. Also the fact that they're called arcs, do you really need more than episode of someone training.
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Jul 5, 2021 5:34 AM

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i like training arcs

from that i kind of remember vegeta training in hyperbolic chamber in cell saga and they calling himself "super vegeta"....lol


it was fun tbh
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Jul 5, 2021 5:52 AM

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Can't have a series with infinitely ratcheting up tension. It gives moments of relaxation without breaking from the core of the story. Also a good chance to foreshadow future skills and abilities.
Jul 5, 2021 5:56 AM

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EverNight said:
Well training arcs almost ruined hxh for me

Yes me too. especially the greed island's one . Mostly because i don't think the results are important contrary to Naruto for example.
We just see Gon and Killua for 1937373 episodes practice for not a really effect for the futur.
Jul 5, 2021 6:13 AM

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The only case where it bothered me was in Huntrash x Garbage because it ultimately served no purpose other than making Gon mates with Kirua.
Jul 5, 2021 8:04 AM

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The only case where it bothered me was in Huntrash x Garbage because it ultimately served no purpose other than making Gon mates with Kirua.

Hmm really? I thought it served as world building, especially power/move functionality and definitely some key characterization on Gon's side, as we see from time to time. Or am I high on this or sth? I guess I'm generally fine with some training as long as it doesn't take up too much time (and as I remember it, it's only around 10 episodes in total, so I thought it was acceptable).
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Jul 5, 2021 8:06 AM

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I don't mind skipping practice episodes, but to me backstory is paramount. If there happens to be practice in it, so be it. I'll soldier through.
Jul 5, 2021 8:40 AM

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Hrybami said:
The only case where it bothered me was in Huntrash x Garbage because it ultimately served no purpose other than making Gon mates with Kirua.

Hmm really? I thought it served as world building, especially power/move functionality and definitely some key characterization on Gon's side, as we see from time to time. Or am I high on this or sth? I guess I'm generally fine with some training as long as it doesn't take up too much time (and as I remember it, it's only around 10 episodes in total, so I thought it was acceptable).


It was wasted during chimera ant arc because what happened to Gon at the climax of this arc wasn't the result of his training.
Jul 5, 2021 8:46 AM
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Seeing them train helps with understanding the training they went through to acquire new power-ups and abilities. I think it's good because it clears up any questions about how they got it so it doesn't appear as a deus ex machina to some people.
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"Do we even need battle shounen" seems to be a good question to me.
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Jul 5, 2021 12:46 PM

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Training arcs are neccessary and crucial part of battle shounens. They help characters growth, both physically and mentally. It can be boring at times but honestly... if you don't like it, just don't watch it. If there are no training arcs, characters would just look too OP without any reasoning, which would also be very unrealistic. There is a beauty in training.
Jul 5, 2021 8:48 PM
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Sure. It can be a nice addition to the story as long as it's not overused




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Jul 5, 2021 9:31 PM

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Hrybami said:
Preachee said:

Hmm really? I thought it served as world building, especially power/move functionality and definitely some key characterization on Gon's side, as we see from time to time. Or am I high on this or sth? I guess I'm generally fine with some training as long as it doesn't take up too much time (and as I remember it, it's only around 10 episodes in total, so I thought it was acceptable).


It was wasted during chimera ant arc because what happened to Gon at the climax of this arc wasn't the result of his training.

I think no one's denying how dragged mid-CA is, with a lot of things no one really cares about. I thought you were referring to hxh training in general, like during Greed Island arc which was actually fun to watch. CA training was just to make sense thematically, because without proper training their ability and other major characters just wouldn't make sense. It's a clumsy way of introducing and establishing the characters, but then again it's better than if they just sort of gloss over that. Also the training should indicate a fair, normal fight just to have the expectations squashed, and indeed all Gon's effort was wasted. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

So yeah, overall it is a flaw, but I don't see why it would be considered totally meaningless. You could say you didn't like it, sure, but saying it was completely hollow empty serving no purpose seems a bit unfair.
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Training is a necessity for combat skill, but I’d prefer if it was done off-screen. Character building and growth should be done in more meaningful settings rather than a monotonous training scene. If the training scene is unique or extraordinary, I wouldn’t mind.
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Jul 5, 2021 9:43 PM
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Yes, it'll become boring if there's no changes in physical x emotional on a particular character.
Jul 5, 2021 9:45 PM
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Yes of course we need training arcs in battle shounen
Jul 5, 2021 9:51 PM

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If battle shounen won't have Training Arcs then the audience would think that the main character or any character pulled a certain special attack out of his @ss .So training arcs shows that the character actually practiced to master a certain attack. And people will hate/dislike battle shounen even more. OP are you one of those who watch Battle Shounen just for the action??

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Training arcs aren't for us, they're for the writer. Gotta give the main character a power-up using the most basic fucking methods that everyone in the series' universe is probably already doing just so the author can continue the power creep.
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Training arc needs to be done well like with HxH(Greed Island was kinda mid though) and not for padding/milking like how MHA does things with its Joint training arc.

Haikyuu!! did it the best. It introduced and developed Nekoma and Fukurodani and also provided training for both Hinata and Kageyama to improve where they lack.

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