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| Perfect ending thematically for the show, but it did feel rushed. I knew they had to adjust some things from the manga to make it fit the anime's runtime, but they still got the message across. Honestly wanna read the manga, anyone know if I have to read from the beginning or if I can just read the chapters they skipped. Honestly prefer just reading the skipped chapters or cut contents. Louis is now the leader of MI6, that's pretty cool. Bonde is definitely part of that team lmao. I think the season was just a little better than season 1, I give it an 8.5/10 ~ 8/10 |
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Will_do_it_later said: I have never wished for a show to be Shounen-Ai this badly!!! I felt the same way xd It was like No.6 for me, that wasnt shounen-ai either, but it was hinted |
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| There were some great episodes this season but feeling a little let down by this ending ngl. The pace was just too fast and kinda felt like the final plan came out of no where. Just feels like wasted potential tbh. Both Sherlock and William surviving the falls feels kinda like a cop out as well. |
S_Tadayoshi said: FuMomo-kun said: The death scene, I agree, shoulda been in the place where the books say. But where in Season 1 do they mention Liam's death place? I seem to have forgotten as it was long ago.Okay, this kind of feels like an insult to the amazing season 1. They should have taken their time with the story, and properly developed it. One of the things that makes stories told from a different character's POV fun is how it changes the way we look at the scenes in the original story. But, this went with a whole new story, so that fun part was completely removed. They changed the location of Moriarty's death. How disappointing! Even though they had foreshadowed the place in season 1! I wish Sherlock and Moriarty had really gone from being friends to hating each other. That would have been a more interesting development. But, this went with the typical YA trope of "In a different world, we could could have been friends". (I know this is YA, but this could have done something better!) Because of this change, they had to get rid of Sherlock's and Moriarty's amazing abilities to think and act on the spot. I'm saying this as someone who loves BL: WTF was that Sherlock x Moriarty moment! Gross!! No!! That's weird! Sherlock x John would have been better since it was actually there in the original books too (probably accidentally, but still)! I don't want to only say bad stuff. So, here are some good parts: -The soundtracks, and the way they were used. -The way the walls were wet, letting the audience piece together that they were about to burn the place. -Also, a tied up Albert is always a welcome sight. -Do I need to mention the art? Production IG has always been great with it, so I feel like I'd be stating the obvious if I talked about how the art quality was so high. The ED. Baby Moriarty paints it on the wall of the ruins. |
| it was bad , i did not like it most characters did not get any character development at all that moment when moriarty said wish we could be friend seems so fake and for not a good reason |
Boazanian said: Amazing series from start to finish, and definitely liked this 2nd cour. Really liked how they used the historical aspects here to tie the story together, felt almost as if it was real history. Really cool that Louis became founder of MI6 haha! Anyways, considering the manga is still ongoing, the anime must be different compared to it. Might possibly pick it up one day. In the manga, the founder is Albert. Louis inherits his position after he's presumed dead/willingly locked in the London Tower. Mycroft backed him with this (he appears before his brother in the manga). |
| I really loved this series, but i would have liked it even more if they had fleshed it in a longer format (like 50 episodes o so), because i feel that with so many charismatic characters and the interesting plot, a slow build up could have helped it reach a better conclusion. I don't like very much the ending either, i think willian dying would have been more significant to the story, and since the anime was only 2 cours theres not that many interactions between holmes and moriarty for me to buy the "friend" thing, idk. 8/10. |
| That was YAOI of Sherlock to catch William before they dive in the flames of waters! LOLZ! So the live-on and atone by the orders of Sherlock was wilfully obeyed by William huh... 5/5. 8/10. |
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SaltyReinn said: I'm highly confused from the amount of people praising the ending. This whole season felt a bit rushed, the whole Moriarty plan was supposed to be a grand amazing plan that nobody else could have thought of, but they just slayed more nobility and then started a fire and one of the side characters gave a heartfelt speech that softened the hearts of the nobility. What a plan. Not to mention the character motivations are all over the place. Sure, Sherlock, you talked to Moriarty three-four times during the entire show run time, he's your amazing friend (apparently more important than Watson), but he's also a mass murderer, so this whole lovers suicide at the end really felt like the writers pulled it out of their asses. I don't know, really mixed feelings about this show. Nice animations and good atmosphere, but often times a really stupid plot that's trying to sell itself as very intellingent. The anime did some stupid thing to cut the arct Holmes and Moriarty become "best friends." I use that with air quotes because their feelings seem like a soulmate bond masked as "friendship." Both VAs agreed it's an undefined "thing." Got to give it to the anime makers to have the bartender asking Holmes if he's chasing after a lady lol. |
ThessJun 29, 2021 12:47 AM
| Moriarty falling off the bridge was my favorite scene. While I do agree that the last episode felt rushed, it still was a good show for me. It's too bad that they skipped some parts from the manga and slightly altered the ending, I guess this just means that we will most likely not get another season:( |
| A laughable ending to what was an otherwise enjoyable show |
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| Well that was a goofy ending to an okay show. Kinda slid downhill a bit towards the end but it was all right. |
| Even though the end was technically a good one (I mean, William didn't die and they all found their own ways to move on with their life) it was still quite heartbreaking. It's so sad that Louis has to live the rest of his life not knowing if William is alive, Albert ended up in prison and John thinks Sherlock is dead. That's pretty bittersweet if you ask me! The ways in which the creator retold the original Sherlock Holmes stories was genius, especially how it managed to twist things so that Moriarty was so likable and righteous in his/ their intentions. I am so impressed and adore that Moriarty & Holmes's rivalry was retold as a complex friendship where their extreme intelligence and struggles to fit into society bonded them because it's a feasible path that the two could've taken but one that hasn't been explored. |
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| Ending was a little unsurprising and don't know what to say about the fanservice, but it's still quite interesting to watch overall. |
| Really enjoyed the ending it finally a climatic ending. loved how he they met in a bar in Swiss at the end. 8/10 it was such a great ride. |
| It was beautiful. They portrayed William and Sherlock's bond so beautifully. When Sherlock jumped off that bridge and hugged William tightly saying “Let's live” it was so heart touching. I agree with most of you all saying that whatever Sherlock did to save William was just too over dramatic. Sherlock becoming friends to the point of dying together with William even though they just had a few encounters and talked 3 or 4 times, when thinking rationally then all of these really doesn't make sense. They could've given them one more long case before the beginning of the Final Problem and more Sherlock and William moments for that ending to make sense. But when you think again, the development of their bond wasn't supposed to be through face to face interactions. They actually have been interacting indirectly through all those cases. Sherlock knew Liam was behind all this and kept chasing after Liam by solving those riddles which is the “catch me if you can, Mr. Holmes” they acknowledged each other and had the most fun through solving cases. Just that is Sherlock and Liam's special bond. In the end, William was able to bring his desired change in Britain. There may still be some noblemen with shitty views but William was at least able to change the views of some of the majority which is the beginning of the results of Williams' rightful crimes. Saito Soma did an amazing job as William which makes him deserving of more recognition. I hope he gets more powerful roles like this in the future. It was a really amazing ride starting from S1 to S2. It had a commendable development in S2 but It also had some over dramatic and stupid moments related to James Bond and it also felt rushed which is preventing me from giving it a 9. So, Overall I'll give it 8/10. |
| I, at first, aversed the idea of this season going towards a happy ending. But actually this ending fit very well and rounded the whole story nicely. Its really fortunate that after getting to love the characters in the first season, the second was even better especially regards character depth. It was awesome |
theGodde said: I also don't like how everyone condones Moriarty's plan. His plans killed thousands of people, and even though he admits it was wrong - he still carried it out. The fact that he admits it doesn't make him a good person - if anything it makes him worse of a person because he knew what he was doing was morally wrong and did it anyway. This show has the same problem as Code Geass - it only really has one stance on the issue: "The Ends Justify the Means". However Code Geass goes out of its way to set up a strawman for "the Means Matter" in Suzaku, while Moriarty the Patriot just ignores it entirely. This is what I warned about earlier, this story isn't about a rivalry of ideals over the world or a clash of rivals who hate each other/fell out friendship, but about two people drawn to each other admist one of them trying to martyr himself. A lot came to the show with the idea this was Code Geass or Death Note, and I warned right off the bat it isn't like that. The second opening, Twisted Hearts, was obviously Holmes about Moriarty, and the first opening, was Moriarty about himself. The conflict was between a death seeker and a man who wanted to save him from himself. The aftermath in the manga has long months or years of recovery together, sheltered by USA agents who recovered them from the river. William's actions are nothing but the actions of a heroic revolutionary in their perspective. Revolutions are not bloodless. Of course, anime went for a clean "meeting again" end but leave a lot of questions of why the heck they were unscathed and how did they hide so long without no one knowing? Holmes' arc with Irene Adler was nothing but a minor foreshadowing of the lengths he will go for Moriarty. The anime did cut and change some stuff which might have removed some focus. Including William saving a bunch of children from Psychotic Noblemen that hunted them as animals (the goriest arc of all). And removed things like the reforms the brothers implemented on the lands they bought that create a fuss and affected the economy of the neighboring lords including the more soft focus on William's empathy for people's struggle (anime made him too smirky and emotionally distant until the last episodes). |
ThessJul 2, 2021 4:35 PM
theGodde said: If that's the case I take back what I said about this anime. It has no interesting moral or thematic messages whatsoever, and is just a shoujo sherlock holmes drama. The fact that the main character is unquestionably doing the wrong thing and is never really questioned for it is still an issue whether or not there was a Sherlock/Moriarty dichotomy. Well no. Moriarty was the one who was judging himself. But not Holmes. Think about the struggle of society-oriented Moriarty and individual-oriented Holmes. What role you wanted to assign to Holmes was the fabrication Moriarty wanted for Holmes. He wanted that sort of thing because he had those actual morals you bring up, that's why he was suicidal. He went forward something he hated to do because he felt his social-role and self-constructed persona was what people wanted for him. He lost the sight of himself as "Liam" to become the Lord of Crimes, but he hated that. That's why the anime (rightfully great touch) has William hallucinate blood on his hand and falling into fire. The anime removed a lot of William's softness. He's not just someone who looks to a big picture but someone who is touched by the suffering of regular people around him (and it shows it bothers him a lot too rather than having a perpetual smiling face), paying attention to their despair and suffering and make it part of him. Not like Lelouch or Light who were never so personally concerned about random people (the removal of these layers is something I criticized). That gory arc that told about shows William reluctant to let Louis into his plans because he wants to protect his purity even if Louis wants to help. You know William hates what he's doing and sees it as wrong. That arc puts the question "What is more important to Moriarty, save people or kill nobles?" and it's the former. You see him save those children and killing for the first time with his own hands in their defense. That's the thing William wanted to write this tale of heroism for Holmes but in the end, he undid his farce and bested him, and allowed him to be just Liam. There was a dichotomy, but not the one you assumed it was. Moriarty was the one condemning himself. Holmes was the one who offered him freedom. The anime super-rush this into the end. The end was not about a hero detective confronting a mastermind, because Holmes stripped away those roles to be two friends, one looking for the other who doesn't think there's any hope for him except for death. All what he did was approved by the Crown secretly anyway. MI6 in the manga was created by Albert and later passed to Louis (rather than created after the show), and Moriarty gang also stopped international wars (a cut Moran arc). Now he's coming to terms with everything after a prolonged coma and injuries. He probably will have some atonement arc in USA. It's not an instant feel good ending with Holmes chasing him and smiling as the anime. Sherlock was looking after him as he was still in a coma and when he found his bed empty he immediately freaks and goes to the roof (because he assumes William is going to kill himself as soon as he awakes should go unsaid). William is there but sitting and looking blankly at the city, so he happily joins him, after calming down. The story is ongoing so we don't know what he'll do in USA, but it looks he has to mull over some things. |
ThessJul 2, 2021 8:00 PM
| I made so many screenshots especially at the intense moments and during those dialogues that made the story dripping yaoi all the way... Irene didn't have any chance. It's just a... khmmm... "friendship"... and bromance... *heavy smirking* And they live happily ever after in mountainous Switzerland enjoying their newly found "brotherly" love to the fullest. Hurray!! Well played. |
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| i liked it overall. mystery is not that good. but dialogue deliveries and psychological exploration was really good. character was pretty good and entertaining to watch. i laughed my ass of when they introduced james bonde. i wish it had deeper sherlock homes references. it peak was definitely the king of blackmailers arc. ending was ok, i wish it was a waterfall instead, also holmes and moriarty's bromance felt rushed towards the end. |
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| The City of London burning down (Hell?), William's last plan to bring the commoners and the nobles together. Worked perfectly. He achieved his goal. Moran's speech was fabulous, without him, nothing would have worked out.. At the end, It's a showdown between Holmes and William, as predicted. That was a great last fight. I love the secret friendship between them. It's beautiful and not just a simple friendship. Louise becomes a member of the government (kinda) MI6, Fred and the others are helping to reconstruct the City. Holmes belands in Zwitserland AND ofcourse! William is there too xD That was one hell of a smile. A good ending, the OP and ED for both seasons were excellent, OST was great, characters were interesting and the plot was carried out perfectly. 9/10 |
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ArtemisMeiko said: Actually its not a anime original ending.. There are just some extra chapters after this which explains how the survived and the after math but all the main story is adaptedNot as interesting as the first half/cour but it was still quite an entertaining watch! The way it ended was weird but after seeing manga is still ongoing I think this sort of ending is good like its better than ending on a awkward cliffhanger which is nice for anime only viewers. 8/10 |
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| Loved it.. I know some people might have a problem with how the relationship between moriarty and sherlock tranpired, considering many might have been looking for more physical interactions between the 2, which leads them to that point... What most viewers do miss that though is the fact that the writer used a rather unique way to build there relationship.. They were both geniuses and moriarty was someone whom no one could have understood and then sherlock appears who does understand him. Through indirect contact they both gave each other the things they wanted. And due to that An indirect bond begin between those.. I wouldnt say it was overdramatic, considering sherlock was the kind of guy who could risk his life for others. Also sherlock saving moriarty like that potrays how a bond such as friendship, love or a family one compels u to carry the sins of your beloved.. This idea was farther carried out by holmes and Moriarty family members carrying the burden of the sins commited by there family/ancestors.. Honestly the series was amazing and apart from the pacing in the last few episode it was great,other then that the themes and the conclusion itself was satisfactory. 10/10 from my side(96/100) |
234MannanJul 7, 2021 11:26 PM
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snowman_builder said: I made so many screenshots especially at the intense moments and during those dialogues that made the story dripping yaoi all the way... Irene didn't have any chance. It's just a... khmmm... "friendship"... and bromance... *heavy smirking* And they live happily ever after in mountainous Switzerland enjoying their newly found "brotherly" love to the fullest. Hurray!! Well played. The entire arc of Holmes wanting to save "Irene" was to foreshadows he'll try even harder to save Moriarty. Anime kinda cut a bit here and there, but that arc was to point Sherlock cares more about his personal relationships than "justice." |
| Wow what a series. I might just have to pick up this damn manga. As an anime only at this point I personally did love this show a lot from start to finish. I like that they were not trying to redeem William because even he condemned the things he did to accomplish what he set out to do even if he views it as the lesser of two evils. |
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| I loved watching this and I'm glad they both survived at the end!! I hope there's gonna be a season 3! Also, the bridge scene reminded me of Black Butler :) |
| I didn't like this anime because the whole setting is way too convenient for Moriarty to be seen as a hero. I've seen people comparing this to Death Note, but in Death Note there was a lot of doubt about whether or not Light was really doing the right thing by killing the criminals, with it being made quite clear that the power rose to his head and he ended up creating a system of terror killing a lot of people that didn't really deserve to die, whereas in Yuukoku no Moriarty it's always made as clear as possible that the nobles really deserve to die, without any hint that Moriarty may be committing some kind of injustice in some cases, so from beginning to end the supposed conflict between Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes does not exist. And the story would have been way more interesting if there was at least one important character giving sound arguments for why the nobility system should be maintained, and why Moriarty was actually wrong for wanting to end it, considering how it could negatively affect the social order, or something like that. I don't mean to say that Moriarty was necessarily wrong, but I mean to say that there would be a lot more tension in the story if a radically opposite view against Moriarty was presented by another character who was also trying to defend justice. But instead all we got were some very simple minded stupid nobles who possessed basically exactly the same line of thought, repeating that they are superior and that the lives of the plebs are worthless, blah blah blah... But, despite still having those flaws, I do admit that the second season was much better than the first, since new themes were shown, rather than just the "nobles are evil" cliché repeated throughout the whole first season. I like how it was made clear that Moriarty didn't want to end the monarchic system and establish some communist government, and he was even shown killing the communists. And I liked a lot what Moran Sebastian said in the end about how the ancestors of the nobles became nobles. And Milverton also helped to make the story more exciting by being a pure villain without being just another dumb noble. Irene Adler living as if she were a man was ridiculous, though. It would have been less weird if she just acted like a man some times but kept her feminine personality when she wasn't in public. |
ColtBuntlineJul 17, 2021 9:52 AM
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| Despite taking a major dive following Bonde's reveal, the show managed to turn things back around at the end of the Ripper arc, keep a steady hand with the police corruption arc, and then go out with a bang. Overall, though I wouldn't say this half is as good as the previous one, it wraps things up well enough to be worth checking out. |
| Everything is according to William's plan. I find this anime, cringy. I like the characters though 5/10 |
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| First season was better. This series had potential to become continuous, like Detective Conan, where the conclusion is far off (obviously not that long though). And although I'm up for a happy ending any time, (which I was really thankful for in this) I still didn't like what happened to the eldest brother, even though I saw it coming. Unlike the previous season score of 9/10, it's a 8/10 for this second half. |
| I personally didn’t like the ending. It didn’t even feel like one. Overall this series was very good. Aside from it. 7/10 |
| This was rushed halfly baked and how do i say it pretty meh apparently stuffing so much idea in a very short time can make a big mess... |
| Really underwhelmed by the rushed finale. The pacing of the "final problem" was poorly written, not built up enough, didn't feel like a proper payoff. |
| Damnn no one die, pretty good ending. I like this show. Battle Sherlock vs Moriarty is also good one. They living happily. No more words this is great. |
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