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| First, this anime is not at all what i first expected and that is a great thing! What an amazing episode this was! Easily cements Vivy as best of the season for me (so far) |
I think I don't know wtf I'm doing. Maybe. Probably. |
nick_kun said: foxyahoo said: if that's the case, what would you make of the rest of my question❓Well he said he stopped working with them for a while... I think at that point he already had another job. He was shocked because he was told how Grace would be used as the core of the island. Not sure where you got that the phone call was about the fall of Sunrise. |
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KyleRiley said: Ah man such a simple thing. nick_kun said: if that's the case, what would you make of the rest of my question❓ He was shocked because he was told how Grace would be used as the core of the island. Not sure where you got that the phone call was about the fall of Sunrise. KyleRiley said: Ah man such a simple thing.nick_kun said: if that's the case, what would you make of the rest of my question❓ He was shocked because he was told how Grace would be used as the core of the island. Not sure where you got that the phone call was about the fall of Sunrise. Thanks to Matsumoto, it took more time to process the subs in my head |
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| Holy shit, that last scene with one hand in human blood and second in "AI blood". Wit really did reverse click-bait themselves on this one! One of the best anime of the season being one of the less popular :( |
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| Another great episode as always! We saw how Saeki first met Grace and how they eventually met again in the future. We also learned that Grace was basically the core of the metal float and learned of her mission as well. Then the final scene with Saeki and Vivy, damn that was really unexpected to see, and then we saw Vivy "malfunctioning" or going "crazy." I don't know what's going on with her in the final scene of this episode but I'm definitely excited to see next week's episode! |
| This episode was unbearably sad, just one heartbreak after another. I can't imagine how Saeki must've felt losing Grace in that way. The biggest problem with the AI-Human relationship seems to be the AI's obscure place in society; they're treated like inanimate objects by a majority yet they have emotions & 'souls' which in turn cause bonds like Grace & Saeki to happen and it's just so tragic. |
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| Grace’s singing being the only background noise while Vivy told Dr. Saeki she was goung to destroy grace was one of the most chilling anime moments I’ve seen in a long time. So well done |
| Hey emotions, you are not a fucking roller coaster |
| Official account of the Eastern Roman Empire |
| I'm genuinely afraid. that last scene with both her hands covered in blood literally shows how much she's done and how she feels its her fault. in a way, both colors show that she feels responsible for AI deaths and human deaths. I'm so scared for next episode, will she have sanity left. that must be so much to bear. its not ok that they let her carry so much. I really hope she isn't the one who ends up starting the AI-pocalipse |
| Vivy admits she is an AI that fights other AIs in order to achieve her goals. I'm still waiting a character to mention that she's preventing AIs from gaining more rights... Grace's identity being spread amongst all of the robots in the factory was quite the reveal; the song they chose and that they wanted to surprise Vivy. Matsumoto just using the factory to quickly manufacture more cubes for himself to combine into this flying bike thing. For a second time, humans die because of her actions, this time she has the blood of Saeki's suicide on her hands. |
 Novels I have read/am reading pending approval: since November 10 2022 |
| The production is truly top-tier. Everything is so so great |
I love K-On, and so should you.  |
| Pretty good episode. The flight sequence was good and I was joking that the guy was gonna kill himself so when he actually did I was like "woah" The show as a whole is still kinda all over the place and incredibly style over substance but it's still fun to watch. |
| This show is very good, omg can't wait to watch the next episode |
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| 5/5 Aoty potential. Aots for sure. |
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| I wasn't as big a fan of this episode... then that ending damn. Diva clarifying Vivy as a separate identity is fascinating, and has huge implications for the future of AI. Also notable that she wasn't in the preview at all. |
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| This is a brilliantly executed episode with a lot of emotion. Seeing Grace being ripped apart for the greater good of society was quite saddening. That ending... dang. I was not expecting that, it shocked me. I'm really enjoying this original series, and I am very much excited for next week. |
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| I caught on too late but now I realize while there is the main story of saving humanity that is the back bone of the show, this is still episodic in nature as we move closer to whatever finale they have in store for us |
  NYANPASU  5700XT |
| Diva/Vivy stating a difference of both of her personas' missions was refreshing, we needed that scene. This episode was so emotional for the fact that a product of Vivy(her song) played such an important role on this guy. Even with her singing she couldn't save him/both of them. The ending of the episode was just brutal, i wonder what's going to happen to Vivy's "mental state"(ik shes an AI but you get what i mean) from now on.. |
*Darling in the franxx flashbacks*  |
| TATAKAE!! TATAKAE!! |
| I feel like I'm not understanding what this episode made to make everyone so hyped. Maybe the whole playing the opening music and insert better than average animation sequence is more powerful to this community than I thought. So far I'm not intensely invested because the episodes are asking for the viewer supend their disbelief even more not only about how A.I. and emotions dillema, but what those robots actually work, which makes most of their plot points and stakes fundamentaly lose credibility. Also, was it suposed to be a plot twist that the dude had lost the will to live? They literally teased his suicide on that entire scene. If anything, I was actually confused that they wouldn't have done it, but they ended up doing it at the last second. I still have some hope this could improve and maybe create some high stake end arc, specially because WIT clearly cares on create good storytelling, rather than just stretch things and make them look pretty. But I feel like the writing is already all over the place in here. |
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| Ever since this anime started I remembered Bioshock! |
| Damn, the moment I saw him pull out a gun I knew he was going to end up killing himself with it. Also does anyone feel the anti-AI terrorists are kinda dumb? At first they seemed competent, but there plans fail worse and worse each time. Also it's silly that one reoccurring terrorist still hates Vivy despite her saving him and his buddies multiple times in the past 20 years. |
Hegar said: Avvenirista said: Vivy's starting to crack... Because after Estella defied all the expectations about possible AI's behavior, the scientists building the island wanted an AI as symbolic and representative of goodwill as the purehearted Grace to run their out of this world experimental facility. Yes, it's possible that she wasn't personally needed to manage the island and it's also plausible that another Sister could've handled the same job (well, I'm still not sure about that) but you know how humans are, right? It was obviously an unproductive choice but it wasn't meaningless. But in that case ... it seems it wasn't common knowledge that Grace in her robot body was running the island, which makes the symbolism pretty meaningless. And no matter how they justify it, there's no way a robot would be attached like that to run the island. A robot not meant to run the island, inserted to run it. If people like symbolism, and love this robot because it is pure hearted, why would they want to have it buried deep down in the machinery? It was just for the story, so she could be mercy killed. I enjoy the show but this was poor writing. Even it wasn't known among the public (are you're sure about that?) it would be still known among the team that projected the island so the symbolism and yada yada wasn't lost on them. And yes, she obviously wasn't originally meant to run the island but the scientists were able, supposedly for the first time, to change her life's mission (which is a very important point and may be expanded in later episodes) and so the island found its Mother Computer in Grace. |
>The doctor was going to copy Grace's conscience to the other robot, and then that would be Grace. In the past, they tried it with Elizabeth and failed so I don't think this is an option. The copying is just the expectation of the professor, he doesn't know if it actually works (like the virus runs amok instead of shutting down the island). At that point, I think he was just desperate and wanted to try whatever he could. >Love with a robot is weird Grace is a robot but she also had the option to refuse his proposal. She accepted because it was him so it was mutual, coming from both sides. Vivy shows some emotions at the end so it would be possible for Grace to do the same given enough time. btw, he lacked motherhood and Grace was a perfect replacement. So I think the romance here is just fine. >Why the autonomous island and Grace must be the core? They don't explain much so here are my speculations. After the Sunrise incident, they found out the AI had evolved so they wanted to test it. They built it on an island so if worse comes to worst, nobody will be harm. There were more AI supporters but it didn't mean everyone would support an autonomous island because who knew what could happen. For example, Elon is still cautious of AI growth even though he is using it for different projects. And that was when they used Grace, a symbol of kindness that a lot of people had met and interacted with. Grace also showed some promising aspects after interacting with humans (somewhat similar to Estella) so she was the best option for the test. |
foxyahoo said: thiago52192 said: I feel like I'm not understanding what this episode made to make everyone so hyped. Maybe the whole playing the opening music and insert better than average animation sequence is more powerful to this community than I thought. So far I'm not intensely invested because the episodes are asking for the viewer supend their disbelief even more not only about how A.I. and emotions dillema, but what those robots actually work, which makes most of their plot points and stakes fundamentaly lose credibility. Also, was it suposed to be a plot twist that the dude had lost the will to live? They literally teased his suicide on that entire scene. If anything, I was actually confused that they wouldn't have done it, but they ended up doing it at the last second. I still have some hope this could improve and maybe create some high stake end arc, specially because WIT clearly cares on create good storytelling, rather than just stretch things and make them look pretty. But I feel like the writing is already all over the place in here. Why people cannot see something for themselves? it's like people need to validate their opinions and get mad if they concesus is not the same as they think. If they "teased" the dude doing it, why would be a " plot twist", you are contradicting yourself. Why would they need to explain that? they are humanoid AI, I swear people are being extra nitpicky with this show... It's like asking how the terminator movies mad robots. The last scene was important for Viviy starting to see the contradiction on his two missions, not the dude killing himself, it can't be more obvious. Why people cannot try to engage on discussions and understand each other? It's like people need to validate their opinions and get mad if one individual is not the same as the consensual opinion. My whole point about the plot twist is exactly this contradiction. The show teased his death scene but tried to make it as something surprising. That idea was pretty straight forward on my comment. You're just desperately trying to find a contradiction. Terminator movies are a good example on how to make A.I. because they're actually doing things based on their program. In fact, one of the main criticism of Terminator 3 was precisely when the machine was shown to try neglect his mission based on his "emotions", making the moment very cheesy. The main problem in here is simply that the characters in Vivy are not A.I. They're humans with some few traits of computers. And I'll be nitpicky with anything people claim it's masterpiece. If people are saying something is on a certain quality, I must evaluate as if the show was trying to achieve this quality and not be just a decent watch. It was pretty obvious what the last scene was meant to be, and it's actually a somewhat promising scenario. I won't deny the qualities about the show, like the soundtrack, the double personas of Vivy's character and the mysteries surround this A.I. apocalyptic future they're building. But I'll also not be a fanboy and claim the show is something that it's not. |
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| Oh yeah we got some ex-arm level cgi! What a win! For real though this one kind of played with my emotions a bit |
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| Vivy is AOTS and beyond so far imo, I have nothing to say this is just... everything I wanted it to be and more, thank you WIT, Tappei and staff, the remaining episode can't come soon enough ! |
| Best episode so far. I really liked that entire riding sequence.It reminded me of Akumadrive. |
''I was dead serious''  |
| Yet another great episode, perhaps the best so far. By now I worry that Vivy's and Matsumoto's "Singularity Project" (what a suspicious name..) will ensure that the massacre of humans by robots will happen in the future no matter what they do (or precisely due to their actions), either at the same time or a decade or so earlier. Matsumoto keeps talking about the "official history" but it is more accurate to call it the "original timeline". While this was not explicitly stated by our two leads we were shown (rather than told) a graph earlier where a new timeline was spawned from the original one and then the two timelines went along in parallel. The new timeline was generated either the moment Matsumoto traveled to the past or when he and Vivy completed their first mission. It is important to note that Matsumoto and Vivy can only save the humans of this new timeline they are currently part of. The humans of the original timeline (which will always exist, apparently with no humans, in parallel to the new one) cannot be saved; the future events of that timeline will transpire exactly how Matsumoto's "official history" records they will; and Vivy and Matsumoto will not be able to jump into that timeline. They can only save the humans of this new timeline. The separate timeline plot device gets rid of a truckload of time and logic paradoxes; if Steins; Gate was a single timeline / world line story the show would have been an utter mess and nothing would have made sense. Single timeline time travel stories can work, but only if they obey the Novikov self-consistency principle (meaning the past can never be changed; e.g. if you go back in time to kill Hitler/Jesus/Napoleon/Alexander the Great as a baby you end up becoming Hitler/Jesus/Napoleon/Alexander the Great yourself while realizing you were one of them all along, while killing your grandpa before having your father/mother is even nuttier : in this case your actual grandpa was always ... yourself!). |
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| this anime is seriously the best one of this season. this episode made me so emotional and I feel really sorry for professor Saeki. I'm wondering what happened to diva at the end and I'm really looking forward to the next ep  |
| Wow that opening remix and whole final action fight was absolutely incredible. Compared to the dialogue, the action is scarce but when it's present, it never disappoints and it always hits well. I really enjoyed this one |
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| I knew he was going to end up shooting himself by the way he was talking...anyway Vivy finna go crazy or what |
| "he has it big as a cactus but he won't let go of my head and I puke on his cock bitch" - Boy by Fishball |
| This episode took the show to a whole new level. The animation and story were both amazing, really sad at the end, poor Dr Saeki. He truly seemed in love with Grace and she seemed more than just an AI. She told him "i wouldn't marry just any human, it's only because it's you Tatsuya". This episode looked so good, Vivy's eyes are so detailed! |
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