Glordit said: simplydru said: I have yet to see the latter, but the former is at least clear about the fact that rape is a very bad thing, which is definitely not the case with 'Redo of Healer.' In fact, revenge rape is such an integral part of the story that I would be surprised if the author was not an incel himself. I could almost bet money I would enjoy punching that guy in the face... twice. Imagine wanting to punch a some one who made up a story because he made the character so some questionable things. Go outside. Fuck that incel author of Redo. He deserves a punch in his face. |
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smallasiangirl said: AnimeAnima said: As far as the first two, I'm really into fantasy so those both foremost appealed to me in that aspect. Rent a gf not sure and Bunny Senpai isn't a harem. I understand wanting the female characters to have more depth and independence but most of these stories are written by young men so im not sure why you're looking for shoujo in shounen. To call all your examples incel bait shows your shortsightedness and quickness to judgement. @smallasiangirl I’m assuming you didn’t mean to word it as if any show with a very well written female character is a shoujo. No, but those written by young men hardly if ever feature well written female characters. Its disingenuous to point fingers at those anime mentioned looking for deeper meaning when even the male characters aren't that well thought out. Its like watching gay porn and being disappointed at the lack of females, ok maybe thats extreme but like looking for something the last place you'd find it. Anyway don't mean to pick a fight just pointing out some inconsistencies in your original argument. |
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| Shield Hero feels like the only incel anime out of those and it's nowhere near as bad as Redo of Healer, the rest are different types of pandering but not exactly incel bait. |
smallasiangirl said: I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? It's just marketing, those are not made for you, they target a different audience usually teenage boys. It's normal for boys to fantasize about fucking a lot of women. Also it's not just anime like that plenty of american sex comedies have similar scenarios. |
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smallasiangirl said: simplydru said: Well, this explains quite a bit. Pardon my saying so, but your standards for what should be considered "incel bait" are ridiculously-low. Really, SAO is a lot of things, but "incel bait" is definitely not one of them - it is far too generic and accessible for such a designation. 'Shield Hero' is a little closer to it, but even that doesn't quite reach such a level of pathetic. No, "incel bait" is something that goes beyond the normal realm of power fantasies or harems and into darker, saltier and more perverse territory, often involving some degree of undue dominance over women that may even cross into the realm of sexual assault. The most mainstream example I can think of for incel bait is 'Guilty Crown,' in which the empty shell of a love interest serves as little more than a trophy for the MC, who is definitely on the incel spectrum. Another popular example would be 'How Not to Summon a Douche Lord' - if you ever want to hear a "grown-ass man" describe the breasts of sleeping teenagers while he is molesting them, this is the anime for you. The most recent and extreme example, though, is 'Redo of Healer,' a disgusting piece of trash that more-or-less revolves around revenge rape and tries to justify it by making the antagonists even more despicable. I would reserve a title like "incel bait" only for those pieces of trash that are truly deserving of it. I'll take your word for it and heighten my standards a bit. Also, I've been hearing a bit about Redo of Healer in this thread. It sounds like a love child of Goblin Slayer and Interspecies Reviewers? More like a love child between Goblin Slayer and Shield Hero. It's basically a watered down rape hentai (at least for now) that's not worth anyone's time. |
| Unless you mentioned it earlier in the thread and I missed it, it's probably worth pointing out that you've only watched two of the four shows you listed. So have I for the record, but I'm not the one making broad generalizations about the people who watch it. So I guess that means we're on equal incel levels. But even if I was as big of a fan of generalizing character assassinations based on the entertainment you consume as the next person, I think it'd only be fair to apply it everywhere. And once you start doing that you realize just how ridiculous it is. Potentially you could just, not watch anime that doesn't appeal to you, but as discussed before it seems you're already doing that. But anyway it's a shit-tier level bait thread, and here I am, knowing that, taking the bait. Fuck. |
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smallasiangirl said: onceexisted said: I think those four shows you listed are good but I wouldn't call them a power fantasy maybe shield hero but kazuya is portrayed as a pretty weak main character in my opinion. I don't understand how you could think these anime to have anything to do with incels. Theo1899 said: I don't get the connection between incels and these anime. I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. You couldn't be any more wrong. Those anime are pretty popular and get good overall reviews (except SAO). You think that the anituber that made videos explaining why they enjoyed, and people that enjoyed those anime are all/mostly just losers/virgins? I doubt it. Ye, sure I dont doubt that a portion of them are, but thats one hell of a statement. Don't get why you're shaming men (mostly younger men/boys for the most part) who simply want to enjoy those kind of anime. I ALSO like to add that 3/4 of the anime (Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF) you just mentioned are targeted towards the younger audiences, and I wouldn't call a 15 year old boy that likes SAO an "incel". |
MoonStar9 said: Glordit said: Imagine wanting to punch a some one who made up a story because he made the character so some questionable things. Go outside. Fuck that incel author of Redo. He deserves a punch in his face. The moment you realise the mangaka is female |
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Fruit_Punch said: I don't get how Bunny Senpai would fit into the category of incel-bait. I'm scratching my head at that one too. Probably hasn't watched it. Then again all of the examples the OP listed aren't exactly what I think of first when I think of edgy emo shows. Unless that's not what "Incel" means because honestly I don't know, I'm just inferring the definition. |
KruszerJan 22, 2021 7:03 PM
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The mangaka is not female. That's nothing but a rumor some idiot spread to deflect criticism of misogyny. |
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Kruszer said: Fruit_Punch said: I don't get how Bunny Senpai would fit into the category of incel-bait. I'm scratching my head at that one too. Probably hasn't watched it. Then again all of the examples the OP listed aren't exactly what I think of first when I think of edgy emo shows. Unless that's not what "Incel" means because honestly I don't know, I'm just inferring the definition. Incel is an acronym that basically means involuntary celibate. Basically guys who can't get laid and they project their issues out on woman as a sex. In this case though it's being pretty misused as inferring a sort of male power/sexual fantasy. |
MoonStar9 said: The mangaka is not female. That's nothing but a rumor some idiot spread to deflect criticism of misogyny. her name is literally Rui_Tsukiyo. |
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lajz said: MoonStar9 said: The mangaka is not female. That's nothing but a rumor some idiot spread to deflect criticism of misogyny. her name is literally Rui_Tsukiyo. It might be a pen name granted it would be nice to know evidence for either claim. More likely people don't actually know the real creator's identity hence the pen name. Granted I wouldn't want my fetishes associated to my public name lol. |
lajz said: MoonStar9 said: The mangaka is not female. That's nothing but a rumor some idiot spread to deflect criticism of misogyny. her name is literally Rui_Tsukiyo. Its a pen name as most authors use and most names in Japan are not gender-specific. |
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freizel said: smallasiangirl said: I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? I was reading a manga that appear in my feed for some reason and for real i laugh out loud for the first chapter... Is about a mangaka that hate her most popular manga, a harem, why she hated It?, cuz she made it using the worse troupres she could think of, What she hated the most , the clichés of harem and rom coms... And the manga was so popular that got an anime adaptation, She couldnt belive it. So she make a inner dialogue about It and conclude that japanese men are loners, so they love that the male character is a loner that happen to be sorround by a harem of cute Girls that are inlove with him for some reason. They like when the male lead is a loner that claim to be a loner for choice since is a psycological tactic humans used to avoid reality that cause pain ... By saying "i like to be alone" you feel good , you feel superior that those ""fakes"" that like to have company ... And in the end consumers like the idea of STILL BEING ATRACTIVE to opposite sex, romance is a goal even if you do nothing to look/work for it. Now people with low social cues dont know how to Talk to Girls , so having a harem is like the perfect escapism HAHAHHA All of the above are the mangakas Thoughts, she was even agry with the editor Who force her to write a harem manga since she dislike romance, and she has a huge hate of japanese society that push romance as woman ultimate liking ... So in conclusion japanese teens like that, thats why cheap romance for shonen is a must. Manga name : "Dousei Sensei wa Renai ga Wakaranai " Anyway that was only the firts chapter where she disses her work and harem.manga in general , is a josei so the point is that she Will be in love later lol HAHAHAHAHHAHA Tl;DR is those are top sellers in Japan. It happen to work perfectly for self insert to japanese loners teens I mean that series is hardly a good comparison here plus shojo manga is like that too. Take Say I Love You hot guy who literally has the opportunity to be a model takes an interest in this ordinary girl compared to even his past more romance fashionable interest that in most instances they would go for. Same case with 50 Shades of Grey where a rich handsome millionaire billionaire takes interest in an ordinary college girl. Romance stories love to play to often unrealistic fantasies and desires of the opposite sex. This often includes being relatable but also fawn over by ideals of the opposite sex. Plus you have shonen manga like Good Ending or series that aren't as focused on the romance like Bakuman where self improvement is a common theme. Honestly the most popular concept in shonen manga is self improvement. There probably is an aspect of why many isekai titles or power fantasies are yeah consumed by loner depressed guys wanting to engage in some sort of fantasy to make their dull depressing life better. That says more about Japan's society that leads usually to burnout due to work/school than anything. Not like I live there but it's a more reserved society where work life balance is an issue that probably is why you have this loner problem. It's a growing trend actually worldwide. |
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smallasiangirl said: Shield Hero Interesting story about a man hated by everyone and his struggle to survive in the new world he's been forced into. Also I like the fact it triggers feminists/sjw/simps who think women IRL are perfect and never lie :^) SAO SAO had a interested concept but failed as the story progressed. Rent a GF Not sure why you are listing this one. It's just another typical harem show. The only controversy this got iirc is that the MC was masturbating on screen, which is a non-issue. Everyone faps once they reach puberty. Bunny Senpai Monogatari clone. |
To play devil's advocate, "Rui" (as in romanized that way) is a unisex name, but their name is Rui using the kanji 涙 (for tear). That's a girl's name, not a boy's name. Unless you want to argue something like Emily could be a boy's name in English. I'm sure it's a pen name, and they could use a female name as a pen name, but to say it's a gender neutral name is inaccurate. They do use gender neutral language on Twitter, and I can't find anything that is a reliable source of what gender they actually are, unless "rape fantasies must be written by men" is a reliable source. (Spoilers: It isn't) |
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| I've seen Shield Hero and Bunny Girl and well... For starters while Shield Hero has stuff that is borderline if not plain incel core, to be fair it's not wholly focused on that, and it kind of wants to leave it out after a while. I'd even say it ends up turning into a self-insert power fantasy (it's not even a revenge fantasy) with an added harem. Bunny Girl is not really more of an incel bait show than any show with girls gravitating around a guy, and there's plenty in anime. Yeah he is edgy and disrespectful but he also gets called out for that, and his relationship with the girls is built through empathy, which is something that doesn't usually sit well with actual incels. |
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Only_Brad said: smallasiangirl said: Shield Hero Interesting story about a man hated by everyone and his struggle to survive in the new world he's been forced into. Also I like the fact it triggers feminists/sjw/simps who think women IRL are perfect and never lie :^) My main gripe with Shield Hero (aside from it being generic and boring) is that the mean girl had no reason whatsoever to do what she did. As far as isekai MCs go, Naofumi is handsome and physically fit. He showed no trace of nerdiness or social awkwardness so why did she target him? Then he turns into an obnoxious emo edge lord and I just can't root for someone wallowing in self pity. Sorry Naofumi but the child slave you purchased has a much tougher life than you do and you don't see her being all angsty about it... |
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freizel said: BilboBaggins365 said: I mean that series is hardly a good comparison here plus shojo manga is like that too. Take Say I Love You hot guy who literally has the opportunity to be a model takes an interest in this ordinary girl compared to even his past more romance fashionable interest that in most instances they would go for. Same case with 50 Shades of Grey where a rich handsome millionaire billionaire takes interest in an ordinary college girl. Romance stories love to play to often unrealistic fantasies and desires of the opposite sex. This often includes being relatable but also fawn over by ideals of the opposite sex. Plus you have shonen manga like Good Ending or series that aren't as focused on the romance like Bakuman where self improvement is a common theme. Honestly the most popular concept in shonen manga is self improvement. There probably is an aspect of why many isekai titles or power fantasies are yeah consumed by loner depressed guys wanting to engage in some sort of fantasy to make their dull depressing life better. That says more about Japan's society that leads usually to burnout due to work/school than anything. Oh no, dont get me wrong, any shoujos are lame too, i agree, the most beautiful perfect rixh dude falls in love with the lamest dumb naive simple girl... Right sure ... I prefer those were the Guy happens to be a normal Guy (Who is beautiful) BUT HEY IS NORMAL to try to appeal with ikemen ... I dont defend shoujo, many are lame, but i truly hate harem, i just happen to start reading a manga that had a mangaka WHO HATES HAREM and i just write HER REASONS in which i agree, is self insert for shy teens Who wants to get that love fantasy ... I dont understand the need OF MANY Girls falling in love with the Main lead... I prefer love stories where there is only 2 protagonists falling in love, is cute and is a nice reading :3 Well that is fine. As much as I bring that up Say I love you was pretty decent though yeah somewhat ideal. Need to finish the manga. In large I don't really like power fantasies usually unless there is some sort of twist like MP 100 or Tanya (where they have tons of power but are flawed people). I like flawed people making serious mistakes and paying for it. Relationships in romance anime are usually best when both characters have to build each other up. So that is in large what I prefer. Granted honestly I don't really get some guys wanting these very generic male MCs though. If I had low self confidence I think it would be better to self insert into some hot bi shonen guy or macho dude honestly who was super charismatic. |
epidemia78 said: Only_Brad said: Interesting story about a man hated by everyone and his struggle to survive in the new world he's been forced into. Also I like the fact it triggers feminists/sjw/simps who think women IRL are perfect and never lie :^) My main gripe with Shield Hero (aside from it being generic and boring) is that the mean girl had no reason whatsoever to do what she did. As far as isekai MCs go, Naofumi is handsome and physically fit. He showed no trace of nerdiness or social awkwardness so why did she target him? Writing problems. I haven't read the source material that far, but fans of the series claim the series explain why they hate the shield hero very late in the series. |
Only_Brad said: epidemia78 said: My main gripe with Shield Hero (aside from it being generic and boring) is that the mean girl had no reason whatsoever to do what she did. As far as isekai MCs go, Naofumi is handsome and physically fit. He showed no trace of nerdiness or social awkwardness so why did she target him? Writing problems. I haven't read the source material that far, but fans of the series claim the series explain why they hate the shield hero very late in the series. Writing problems indeed. I can't shake the impression that the author of Shield Hero thinks he's perfect and can do no wrong, that everyone is out to get him so he wrote a shitty story to let loose his frustration. And somehow that shitty story got approved for THREE seasons while much better stories languish in obscurity. |
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smallasiangirl said: I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? I hate them to be honest. I'd rather have a loving wife one day. One loving wife. |
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_FRB_ said: To play devil's advocate, "Rui" (as in romanized that way) is a unisex name, but their name is Rui using the kanji 涙 (for tear). That's a girl's name, not a boy's name. Unless you want to argue something like Emily could be a boy's name in English. I'm sure it's a pen name, and they could use a female name as a pen name, but to say it's a gender neutral name is inaccurate. They do use gender neutral language on Twitter, and I can't find anything that is a reliable source of what gender they actually are, unless "rape fantasies must be written by men" is a reliable source. (Spoilers: It isn't) First of all, comparing "Rui", regardless of Kanji writing, to gender-specific "Emily" is a false equivalency to begin with. Unless the character for "Ko" meaning "child" or "Taro" are used it is always shortsighted to assume a gender based on names. Names in Japanese have language identifiable meanings compared those in the English language that are overlooked for mostly how they sound. Secondly, and most importantly, it's a pseudonym. |
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arubino said: BilboBaggins365 said: Hey everyone in the thread maybe it is just me but are my thoughts coherent or not? I thought I laid this out pretty plainly lol. Went from saying this "You have a profile pic of a show that was said to be encouraging genocide and anti semitism. People can have fucked up fantasies and have a healthy view on relationships and sex. Said fantasy also is more common in women granted Redo is obviously more marketed to guys. " which is clearly comparing aot to the healer shit. No clear sign of it being a "joke" Then somehow you morph that into something about " just pointing out the danger when people attribute this moralization to fiction especially when they misrepresent it. " which makes 0 sense, because theres nothing to misrepresent about The healer shit. This sentence makes 0 sense "OT got called out because of what Isayama said about Japan's involvement in Korea, the use of Japanese war figures from WW2 in the story and the ideas of using the caricatures in the titans to represent a people that are similar to the Jews in the sense of their persectution." You then go on and on and try to claim youre talking about the dangers of moralizaiton around fiction when its wrong, but there was clearly nothing about that in your original comment. More fun grammar "No it was trying to show a comparable" "Regardless none of what I said is false it is incredibly common so fucked up or not I guess most humans are a bit fucked up eh? " "Uh no I am sorry you can't read intent online AOT is legit in my favourites but okay " Then you say "Misrepresenting the fans is a fair point. Plus AOT you have unironic Eren supporters so yeah you can make some sort of insinuation to that degree. Anyway done here. I said exactly why this is stupid. Lots of studies have been done on fetishes like this and no turns out most of them are just normal people with a slight kinky side. " like bro wtf are you talking about. This is more you not getting anything. The first comment was pointing out the problems with moralization in fiction which I did state in the original comment you commentated on. The only thing I fixed was missing some words and period. I also added a bit more. Secondly yes you can misrepresent the fans which is what I said. That is why I brought up AOT which has had the fanbase misrepresented as monsters for support a morally "wrong" work. I just pointed out AOT and it's fanbase have been accused of supporting IRL horrible ideology is that hard to understand? I just explained to you what the controversy around AOT was. What is wrong with the statement? Also yeah I fucked up typing some stuff in an internet debate happy? Final point : Again what is the problem? That some fans completely miss the point on AOT and think the obvious antagonist is doing a good thing by killing everyone? Doesn't that mean those that detracted AOT are right? The idea that fiction could encourage horrible people to act out is the whole basis of this concern for works like Redo. |
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MoonStar9 said: _FRB_ said: To play devil's advocate, "Rui" (as in romanized that way) is a unisex name, but their name is Rui using the kanji 涙 (for tear). That's a girl's name, not a boy's name. Unless you want to argue something like Emily could be a boy's name in English. I'm sure it's a pen name, and they could use a female name as a pen name, but to say it's a gender neutral name is inaccurate. They do use gender neutral language on Twitter, and I can't find anything that is a reliable source of what gender they actually are, unless "rape fantasies must be written by men" is a reliable source. (Spoilers: It isn't) First of all, comparing "Rui", regardless of Kanji writing, to gender-specific "Emily" is a false equivalency to begin with. Unless the character for "Ko" meaning "child" or "Taro" are used it is always shortsighted to assume a gender based on names. Names in Japanese have language identifiable meanings compared those in the English language that are overlooked for mostly how they sound. Secondly, and most importantly, it's a pseudonym. The kanji/how it is written is as important as the pronunciation itself, because that is the "true" meaning of the name. Which you seem to realize yourself unless I am misinterpreting. The way it sounds is not the only thing that matters. That's why comparing it to Emily is not false equivalency at all. Because 涙 IS a girl's name. If you can find a male with the name Rui written as 涙 then I'll be truly shocked, and I feel bad for him as he's surely been bullied for having a girl's name once kids can understand kanji. Even if you just look on various name databases, you'll find 涙 listed at the top for Rui as a female Japanese name, but literally nowhere as a male Japanese name. It is a pseudonym, as I acknowledge myself, but in the otherwise lack of evidence of whether the author is male or female, using a female name still makes it Female: 1, Male: 0 The point still remains to say that it is not a gender specific name is objectively incorrect, which is my main reason for saying something. All I see is you being factually wrong about Japanese naming conventions in order to defend your preconceptions that rape fantasies must be written by men, and maybe to make yourself feel better about wanting to punch someone for being an incel because of a story they wrote when you realized they may very well be a woman. |
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arubino said: BilboBaggins365 said: Hey everyone in the thread maybe it is just me but are my thoughts coherent or not? I thought I laid this out pretty plainly lol. Went from saying this "You have a profile pic of a show that was said to be encouraging genocide and anti semitism. People can have fucked up fantasies and have a healthy view on relationships and sex. Said fantasy also is more common in women granted Redo is obviously more marketed to guys. " which is clearly comparing aot to the healer shit. No clear sign of it being a "joke" Then somehow you morph that into something about " just pointing out the danger when people attribute this moralization to fiction especially when they misrepresent it. " which makes 0 sense, because theres nothing to misrepresent about The healer shit. This sentence makes 0 sense "OT got called out because of what Isayama said about Japan's involvement in Korea, the use of Japanese war figures from WW2 in the story and the ideas of using the caricatures in the titans to represent a people that are similar to the Jews in the sense of their persectution." You then go on and on and try to claim youre talking about the dangers of moralizaiton around fiction when its wrong, but there was clearly nothing about that in your original comment. More fun grammar "No it was trying to show a comparable" "Regardless none of what I said is false it is incredibly common so fucked up or not I guess most humans are a bit fucked up eh? " "Uh no I am sorry you can't read intent online AOT is legit in my favourites but okay " Then you say "Misrepresenting the fans is a fair point. Plus AOT you have unironic Eren supporters so yeah you can make some sort of insinuation to that degree. Anyway done here. I said exactly why this is stupid. Lots of studies have been done on fetishes like this and no turns out most of them are just normal people with a slight kinky side. " like bro wtf are you talking about. To add this was my comment you responded to "If you want to talk about the weirdos you could reply to the argument made and say why they are wrong. You have a profile pic of a show that was said to be encouraging genocide and anti semitism. " I said "that was said to be encouraging genocide and anti semitism. " So if you want to get into semantics no where did I say I said AOT encouraged that I said "that was said to be" which implied others said it. So to simplify it taking literally all I said in my paragraphs - AOT got accused of supporting horrible acts there fans by liking it are encouraging horrible ideologies. As I said too Isayama's views are up for debate and even in the work there is some potential subtext there. Also the story has framed itself that has allowed some people to relate to Eren and his actions ergo encouraging bad view points. - Same case with Redo those that support this rape fetish are obvious incels who want to rape women. Is that simple enough? |
BilboBaggins365Jan 22, 2021 8:25 PM
freizel said: BilboBaggins365 said: Well that is fine. As much as I bring that up Say I love you was pretty decent though yeah somewhat ideal. Need to finish the manga. In large I don't really like power fantasies usually unless there is some sort of twist like MP 100 or Tanya (where they have tons of power but are flawed people). I like flawed people making serious mistakes and paying for it. Relationships in romance anime are usually best when both characters have to build each other up. So that is in large what I prefer. Granted honestly I don't really get some guys wanting these very generic male MCs though. If I had low self confidence I think it would be better to self insert into some hot bi shonen guy or macho dude honestly who was super charismatic. I remember when anime had so many good plots and characters, nowdays i feel that exist to many isekais and harems and romcoms ... Why ?! I obviously watch What i find good, the only isekai i like is konosuba hahahahha kazuma is so funny , but other isekai leads make me want to punch them like the dude from re zero . For real anime is fiction, why not write pleaseant leads with personality ? For example take info account all FMAB character, they are so complex, or Hunter x Hunter characters they are interensting.. or finally golden kamuy cast, a bunch of cool weirdos And those are shonen and seinen , meaning anime catering to boys, so if they are popular and sell well, why the hype and excess on harem manga original cheap shonen protas? There was always iffy writing in every era I mean you bring up FMAB when 2009 and 2010 had so much ecchi content coming out fitting some sort of self insert. Re Zero I think is pretty good in at least Subaru's characterization. The female cast members need more development to be fair. It does give a more realistic take if your average Japanese loner ended up in a dark fantasy isekai. Konosuba is okay I think the jokes get tiring after awhile I still like Megumin. Anyway before I got sidetracked into this dumb debate over a show I don't care about I was actually planning on reading Frieren at the Funeral which got a lot of praise. Even if it is a standard DnD Western high fantasy medieval setting premise sounded interesting. It's getting decently popular I heard. Hope it gets an anime adaption at some point as the premise is unique enough and we could use more non isekai high fantasy. Something to check out if you want to at least look at or discuss a decent high medieval fantasy story. I hope it's good. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 22, 2021 8:26 PM
epidemia78 said: Only_Brad said: Interesting story about a man hated by everyone and his struggle to survive in the new world he's been forced into. Also I like the fact it triggers feminists/sjw/simps who think women IRL are perfect and never lie :^) My main gripe with Shield Hero (aside from it being generic and boring) is that the mean girl had no reason whatsoever to do what she did. As far as isekai MCs go, Naofumi is handsome and physically fit. He showed no trace of nerdiness or social awkwardness so why did she target him? Then he turns into an obnoxious emo edge lord and I just can't root for someone wallowing in self pity. Sorry Naofumi but the child slave you purchased has a much tougher life than you do and you don't see her being all angsty about it... The reason she did what she did is because she inherited her father's intense irrational prejudice toward the Shield Hero title. You can't try and find logic in the actions of people so blinded by hatred. There's a reason it's called 'irrational'. |
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| yep irl i have a neckbeard and is 300 pounds in weight. I don't really self-insert myself, I just watch them because they are funny and entertaining. i don't get power fantasy shit too. action, adventure and fantasy aren't my favourite genres so that's probably why i don't understand it. |
| I like each for similar or different reasons. Main reasons are the waifus cause I'm a dude. But each looks fairly decent in terms of art quality compared to other shows. SAO- Despite Kirito being himself, I enjoy the music and the badass moments like a fucking lightsaber cutting bullets. Shield Hero- Again, the music is great and I love shows where MC gets big anger and goes full annihilation and gets a power boost. I liked the whole point of seeing a Hero start off from he bottom and trying to work himself back up. RaG- It had an interesting service, renting a girlfriend which I never really heard before but not surprised if places around the world had that service. People have said the MC has done some actions or had mental thoughts which are relatable which I cannot disagree with. But, I did not like how stupid he was getting all bent out of shape because this girl l he rented for a date pulled off nearly the same identical type of date she does with her other clients. Bunny Senpai- I like the paranormal stuff and enjoy seeing MC actually get the girl instead of just waiting till the end of a series. It also reminded me of Monogatari with the paranormal and female stuff. |
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