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Dec 31, 2020 9:01 PM
#1
The voice actor behind Tanjiro's master Sakonji Urokodaki , the 66-year old Hochu Otsuka, appeared on the Fuji TV variety show Sono Neta, Neta ni Shite Ii Desu Ka? on December 31 and discussed the phenomenon that is the Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba franchise and how much a voice actor makes from being in a popular work. Otsuka explains that payment to a voice actor is fixed before recording has even started and that each voice actor is paid based on their "rank" in the industry. This rank is determined based on their experience, work they've done in the past, how popular the voice actor is, and how long they've been in the industry. Otsuka says that no matter how popular the work is, "the salary stays the same". Even for behemoth works like Demon Slayer, which is now the highest-grossing film in the Japanese box office ever, the payment is fixed and royalties aren't paid out from the box office. According to a voice acting school in Japan, payments for a 30-minute TV anime episode are between 15,000 yen (US$145.44) for lower-ranked voice actors to a maximum of 45,000 yen (US$436.16). Anime voice acting is usually the least paying work for voice actors in Japan, with dubbing for overseas live-action films the highest at a minimum of 50,000 yen (US$484.75) per hour of footage. SRC https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime-news/2020/12/31-1/demon-slayer-voice-actor-says-that-no-matter-how-popular-the-work-is-the-salary-stays-the-same Is it bad? i have a feeling English dub voice actors get paid more. |
Dec 31, 2020 9:27 PM
#2
| Yeah,that's not fair for the voice actors.It's the same for the author too.I heard that she got 22k usd and she didn't even got a raise considering that Demon slayer got to the level of the og big 3. Wow the live action dubbing gets more salary than Japanese va that's because the us have more revenue compared to the Japanese. |
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Dec 31, 2020 9:39 PM
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Dec 31, 2020 9:50 PM
#5
| But if the work fails. They will gonna get the same money as well. Don't they? |
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Dec 31, 2020 9:53 PM
#6
| yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least |
Dec 31, 2020 9:55 PM
#8
2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. |
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Dec 31, 2020 9:57 PM
#9
Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series |
Dec 31, 2020 9:58 PM
#10
| yikes thats kinda rough. Shame because voice acting in Demon Slayer is really good. |
Dec 31, 2020 10:13 PM
#11
BenRyan said: Is it bad? i have a feeling English dub voice actors get paid more. If we're talking about anime only, they are not so good either. Here are SAG AFTRA rates. Anime Dub - $65/hr (series), $150/hr (movie) Non anime - 50/hr Games - $400/hr Live Action ADR - $980/hr Animation - $980/hr + other royalty Commercials - 1k+/hr + royalty Though, Canadian has higher pay grade of about $300-400/hr. |
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Dec 31, 2020 10:15 PM
#12
| thats such bs, u can tell the amount of hard work that goes into va |
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Dec 31, 2020 10:17 PM
#13
2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. |
Dec 31, 2020 10:30 PM
#14
| As a fan of the series, I'm disappointed but not really surprised considering that there's a history of this in the anime industry. Also, I hope the haters don't try to use this as a bullshit excuse to justify their hatred towards the series. |
Dec 31, 2020 10:36 PM
#15
Teraplan0409 said: yikes thats kinda rough. Shame because voice acting in Demon Slayer is really good. Also on topic https://myanimelist.net/people/337/Houchuu_Ootsuka is a legend as someone said and has been since the '80s (e.g. Yazan in Zeta Gundam) |
Dec 31, 2020 11:28 PM
#16
BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. "all they did was make the story". thats the most important part isnt it? also, the producer isnt the one who does the animating or voice work, they're more like a manager and oversee everything |
Dec 31, 2020 11:32 PM
#17
| Rip Voice Actors and their salary. C'mon Japan. |
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Dec 31, 2020 11:40 PM
#18
| true or not true. the more popular the movie, the more events outside the anime and its follow-up shows, generating income for the seiyuu. Famous seiyuu are also more likely to take on roles than beginners. Thanks to the theme of Kimetsu no Yaiba, the frequency of Matsuoka and Hanae appearances on tv is increased. Of course, like many other jobs, only a handful of the main character seiyuu are well influenced. |
Jan 1, 2021 12:13 AM
#19
2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. "all they did was make the story". thats the most important part isnt it? also, the producer isnt the one who does the animating or voice work, they're more like a manager and oversee everything Sure, but technically speaking it wouldn’t have been possible for it to be animated without the studio itself. They “did all the work” in that they did the animations, SFX, voice work, etc. There’s a reason you don’t say the author “worked” on the movie, she just lay the groundwork. |
Jan 1, 2021 12:17 AM
#20
| they get the same amount whether it succeeds or is a dumpster fire. the problem is that they should get better contracts not that they deserve a raise |
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Jan 1, 2021 12:21 AM
#21
| animators got it worse more lower pay than voice actors and no royalties too but voice actors have an advantage of getting more paid in the long run through events and concerts |
Jan 1, 2021 1:23 AM
#22
| People need to remember that Voice acting is a much bigger industry in Japan than it is in America. Voice acting in Japan isn't as high value like it is in America where it's a much smaller industry. In Japan there's so many voice actors and up and comers that they wouldn't be able to sustain the industry if they paid people who don't have the notoriety more money than they are worth. Unlike in America where there's not a lot of voice actors in the industry so the industry can afford to pay actors a bit more without it collapsing. |
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Jan 1, 2021 3:35 AM
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Jan 1, 2021 4:18 AM
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Jan 1, 2021 4:40 AM
#25
| of course the salary stays the same the voice actors have done their part and gotten paid before the movie has even made money in theatres as far as I know the actual investors deserve that money since they took the gamble of losing lots of money after paying voice actors, animators, music crew, directors and for maybe even equipment along with paying rent for facilities for all these people to work at of course the voice actors or anyone else who worked on the movie dont magically deserve more money just cause that gamble paid off. That would be an absurd business model Whats important here Id say is hoping with a anime movie breaking a box office record the industry will perhaps move more easily into a age where we dont see animators work long hours for low pay |
Jan 1, 2021 4:49 AM
#26
| Isn't there some sort of VA association to advocate for better pay or revenue sharing or that sort of stuff? anime isn't very profitable from what I have seen, the money is in other stuff for the most part. so it does make sense that a studio would be the one who profits the most, since the risk is highest for them. |
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Jan 1, 2021 5:02 AM
#27
Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. that's just objectively not true. the ones getting the most money are the "A-list" voice actors. i don't know what is the wage diffrence betwean the a-list and the rest of the va, but i have a feeling the demon slayer va earn enough (and even if they didn't after acting in a series so popular they will never run out of acting jobs). people hate anime producers because when they hear the word producer they think people who do nothing all day and get all the money, but in reality anime producers are among the most important workers in the production, and the only reason any anime manages to air weekly is because of their work. even the most low profile va have more bargining power than most people in the anime production cycle because unlike anyone else they aren't replaceable without the audience noticing. |
Jan 1, 2021 5:08 AM
#28
is-whoelsome said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. that's just objectively not true. the ones getting the most money are the "A-list" voice actors. i don't know what is the wage diffrence betwean the a-list and the rest of the va, but i have a feeling the demon slayer va earn enough (and even if they didn't after acting in a series so popular they will never run out of acting jobs). people hate anime producers because when they hear the word producer they think people who do nothing all day and get all the money, but in reality anime producers are among the most important workers in the production, and the only reason any anime manages to air weekly is because of their work. even the most low profile va have more bargining power than most people in the anime production cycle because unlike anyone else they aren't replaceable without the audience noticing. Wtf?People really think that Producers do nothing and get the money?Lmao No producers=No anime This is like the basic knowledge of how the industry works that everyone should know. |
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Jan 1, 2021 5:09 AM
#29
| Lol he voices some minor side character. |
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Jan 1, 2021 5:11 AM
#30
EndlessMaria said: Lol he voices some minor side character. Yes but we are not only talking about him but all Japanese va's in general |
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Jan 1, 2021 5:15 AM
#31
Scordolo said: EndlessMaria said: Lol he voices some minor side character. Yes but we are not only talking about him but all Japanese va's in general This is in regards to Kimetsu no Yaiba specifically, due to the fact that the movie grossed so much. If the voice actor was the seiyuu Tanjirou or Nezuko then we would have a discussion. |
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Jan 1, 2021 5:24 AM
#32
Scordolo said: is-whoelsome said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. that's just objectively not true. the ones getting the most money are the "A-list" voice actors. i don't know what is the wage diffrence betwean the a-list and the rest of the va, but i have a feeling the demon slayer va earn enough (and even if they didn't after acting in a series so popular they will never run out of acting jobs). people hate anime producers because when they hear the word producer they think people who do nothing all day and get all the money, but in reality anime producers are among the most important workers in the production, and the only reason any anime manages to air weekly is because of their work. even the most low profile va have more bargining power than most people in the anime production cycle because unlike anyone else they aren't replaceable without the audience noticing. Wtf?People really think that Producers do nothing and get the money?Lmao No producers=No anime This is like the basic knowledge of how the industry works that everyone should know. i meant they mix them up with excutives. (which are also the ones financing the anime at great risk and get less money than leading va) |
Jan 1, 2021 5:33 AM
#33
| The anime industry really needs to rewire itself with the payment of VAs, authors and animators based on the success of the show and include some kind of royalties/bonuses system. |
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Jan 1, 2021 6:22 AM
#34
| Welcome to life, that's how the world works |
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Jan 1, 2021 6:36 AM
#35
| This is actually a very common problem in the anime industry in Japan where the work is popular but its the suits who get the most money. And also the shitty working conditions as well too. |
Jan 1, 2021 6:45 AM
#36
Scordolo said: Yeah,that's not fair for the voice actors.It's the same for the author too.I heard that she got 22k usd and she didn't even got a raise considering that Demon slayer got to the level of the og big 3. Wow the live action dubbing gets more salary than Japanese va that's because the us have more revenue compared to the Japanese. Why should she get a raise? She was paid up front for the rights to an unknown work. There was no risk involved on her part in anyway, same goes for the VA's. Its on them to negotiate a better contract if/when there are sequels. |
Jan 1, 2021 6:48 AM
#37
| Well others said it too but I don't see it as a problem because if a work fails they still paid before it. Also the mangaka, animators and VAs do nothing related to its marketing so it's not like they deserve more |
Jan 1, 2021 7:00 AM
#38
| There is no reason for people to complain about this, what the fuck. It's written in the contract that they agreed on. This is usually the case to have a stable income because if they get paid the same no matter what, it means that the actor will always get paid, making it a stable job. If the contract said "You get 0.001% of what the movie makes" or something else like that, than there is a reason to complain. |
Jan 1, 2021 1:45 PM
#39
| What does their work have to do with the success of the show? They're paid to do a job, one that they do regardless of the eventual outcome. The producers, on the other hand, line up investors and connect all the dots to make it work. Their outcome is literally riding on the success. So not only is it not fucked up that voice actors get a fixed income, it's fucked up for you guys to deride the producers for literally making the anime happen. |
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Jan 1, 2021 2:07 PM
#40
BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. "all they did was make the story". thats the most important part isnt it? also, the producer isnt the one who does the animating or voice work, they're more like a manager and oversee everything Sure, but technically speaking it wouldn’t have been possible for it to be animated without the studio itself. They “did all the work” in that they did the animations, SFX, voice work, etc. There’s a reason you don’t say the author “worked” on the movie, she just lay the groundwork. that's not my point. did you read my post? the producer isnt doing any of the animations, sfx, voice work etc. please at least take a look at my post before you respond |
Jan 1, 2021 2:13 PM
#41
| Isn't that how every business work? No matter how well the bank I work for does, my salary stays the same. That's how it works. They probably signed a contract for the movie with a concrete salary. They accepted it and expect a change because the film did well in hindsight? It's not VAs that are taking any risk by investing into the movie. It's only natural they don't earn more just because the movie happened to sell so well. |
Jan 1, 2021 2:30 PM
#42
billybub said: fucking finally someone said it :D.Scordolo said: Yeah,that's not fair for the voice actors.It's the same for the author too.I heard that she got 22k usd and she didn't even got a raise considering that Demon slayer got to the level of the og big 3. Wow the live action dubbing gets more salary than Japanese va that's because the us have more revenue compared to the Japanese. Why should she get a raise? She was paid up front for the rights to an unknown work. There was no risk involved on her part in anyway, same goes for the VA's. Its on them to negotiate a better contract if/when there are sequels. |
Jan 1, 2021 2:44 PM
#43
| I don't get it, how is this some kind of surprise? This is how literally every business works. Salaries don't retroactively go up if the movie goes well (just like they don't retroactively change for the worse if the movie is a box office bomb), sometimes there are small bonuses given, but that is far from the norm. If the VA really wanted more, they probably should have negotiated before signing their contract. There are many legitimate problems with the anime industry and other industries moved by the passion of those who work on them, but I fail to see how this is one of those problems. |
Jan 1, 2021 4:16 PM
#44
Pale_28 said: #billybub said: fucking finally someone said it :D.Scordolo said: Yeah,that's not fair for the voice actors.It's the same for the author too.I heard that she got 22k usd and she didn't even got a raise considering that Demon slayer got to the level of the og big 3. Wow the live action dubbing gets more salary than Japanese va that's because the us have more revenue compared to the Japanese. Why should she get a raise? She was paid up front for the rights to an unknown work. There was no risk involved on her part in anyway, same goes for the VA's. Its on them to negotiate a better contract if/when there are sequels. Quite right too. People are behaving as if the VA's were cuffed and forced to sign a contract they didn't want to sign. They agreed to to the contract terms before putting pen to paper. It's up to them to negotiate a better price if they think they're worth more than what the production company offers. |
Jan 1, 2021 4:49 PM
#45
2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. "all they did was make the story". thats the most important part isnt it? also, the producer isnt the one who does the animating or voice work, they're more like a manager and oversee everything Sure, but technically speaking it wouldn’t have been possible for it to be animated without the studio itself. They “did all the work” in that they did the animations, SFX, voice work, etc. There’s a reason you don’t say the author “worked” on the movie, she just lay the groundwork. that's not my point. did you read my post? the producer isnt doing any of the animations, sfx, voice work etc. please at least take a look at my post before you respond Notice how I didn’t mention producer in my other comment? And you tell me to look at your post before I respond, the irony, |
Jan 1, 2021 5:37 PM
#46
BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. "all they did was make the story". thats the most important part isnt it? also, the producer isnt the one who does the animating or voice work, they're more like a manager and oversee everything Sure, but technically speaking it wouldn’t have been possible for it to be animated without the studio itself. They “did all the work” in that they did the animations, SFX, voice work, etc. There’s a reason you don’t say the author “worked” on the movie, she just lay the groundwork. that's not my point. did you read my post? the producer isnt doing any of the animations, sfx, voice work etc. please at least take a look at my post before you respond Notice how I didn’t mention producer in my other comment? And you tell me to look at your post before I respond, the irony, you quoted the post where we were discussing how the producer gets most of the money, i was discussing how the money that the producer makes should be going to the writer of the series instead. seems like you couldn't even bother to look at the context before responding. this is my last reply, not responding to this topic any longer |
Jan 1, 2021 5:44 PM
#47
2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: BlakexEkalb said: 2077 said: Scordolo said: 2077 said: yeah, this is the sad thing about the anime industry, the ones doing the most work like the va's and animators are the ones getting paid the least And the producers are the ones that are paid the most. yeah, that money should be going to the writer of the series Definitely disagree. All they did was make the story. All the animating, voice work, and production of it was the studio and those who collaborated with them. "all they did was make the story". thats the most important part isnt it? also, the producer isnt the one who does the animating or voice work, they're more like a manager and oversee everything Sure, but technically speaking it wouldn’t have been possible for it to be animated without the studio itself. They “did all the work” in that they did the animations, SFX, voice work, etc. There’s a reason you don’t say the author “worked” on the movie, she just lay the groundwork. that's not my point. did you read my post? the producer isnt doing any of the animations, sfx, voice work etc. please at least take a look at my post before you respond Notice how I didn’t mention producer in my other comment? And you tell me to look at your post before I respond, the irony, you quoted the post where we were discussing how the producer gets most of the money, i was discussing how the money that the producer makes should be going to the writer of the series instead. seems like you couldn't even bother to look at the context before responding. this is my last reply, not responding to this topic any longer That’s what I thought. Walk away before you make a fool out of yourself 🥱 |
Jan 1, 2021 6:38 PM
#48
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Jan 1, 2021 6:39 PM
#49
| Well that's reality. I hear they made the contract for Demon Slayer before it blew up, so they still get the same flat price. |
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