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"Use angry incels as fearsome warriors to form your modern state. Let them go to town on the battlefield: murder, robbery, rape, you name it. After you've won, if you wish to ensure peace in your chic court state, in which there's no place for savagery, give those incels a female property, a land property and your new currency property, and you're golden, chief. Out of sight, out of mind."
- Norbert Elias, probably.
Sep 14, 2020 10:11 AM
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A double-edged sword, honestly, for some people romantic relationship would be a savor in their daily endeavors but for some (like myself) usually, nothing but disturbance, keeping from my other things. And I'm bad at keeping up with them (used to go for a couple of weeks or more without contacting them, and they were mad, lol, so childish of them).
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I don't think it's true, and besides, we guys know how to release our frustration, by using our hands of course! The thing is, when you get a girlfriend, you get shit ton of responsibilities, you get too busy with your girlfriend, and eventually you start changing and you can't do the things you love anymore. This why I prefer being single, also I have no interest in sex, I'm still underage, I have all the time in the world to have sex, I should focus on enjoying my life right now, not sex. And yeah, even my dad sometimes jokes about how he'll get me a stripper for my 18th birthday, I have plenty of options to have sex, I just don't need it right now. As for anger issues, I have them regardless of sex, it's not like I'm gonna be a happy and calm 24/7 the moment I have sex.




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Sep 14, 2020 10:21 AM
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ProfessionalNEET said:
Kosmonaut said:
"Use angry incels as fearsome warriors to form your modern state. Let them go to town on the battlefield: murder, robbery, rape, you name it. After you've won, if you wish to ensure peace in your chic court state, in which there's no place for savagery, give those incels a female property, a land property and your new currency property, and you're golden, chief. Out of sight, out of mind."
- Norbert Elias, probably.

Wow, this Norbert Elias guys seems pretty smart.
It depends on who's talking, but he's at least respected in his field.
Sep 14, 2020 10:24 AM
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It depends on the individual.

If they place their value in getting women then yeah they will be bitter individuals if they generally can't. Probably this case is just someone getting happier when they are in a new relationship. That happens alot too.

I was the same way. I wasn't a bitter incel or anything, if anything I was a bitter slut but then I got into a real relationship and became much happier. I think relationships just make people happier in general as long as the relationship is healthy.



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Sep 14, 2020 10:26 AM
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yea I imagine they probably are since I sometimes see that type of bitterness in myself.
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Sep 14, 2020 11:07 AM
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Bit off topic,but you're setting the statement that guys (or people in general) who haven't had sex have to be lonely. They can be,or not. It's not an absolute corelation.
That aside, but if they are that frustrated about being a virgin,then sure. Any frustration can lead to resentment to those who are "more successful". In anime,movies and other media I have noticed it become a stereotype. In real life though I haven't seen any examples. Getting a partner can affect a person in a very positive way,but to change yourself that much Idk...
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Yeah its definitely natural to be angry and bitter if you are a virgin.

You can feel it really acutely if you go to a strip club. I just went to one a few days ago and I hadn't touched a girl in many months before then and its incredible how much having a cute/sexy girl grind on you and touch you for even just 15 minutes or so can change your mood. I swear that music sounds 3x better after getting a lap dance from a hot girl. You will find it hard not to sing out loud in your car.

You know that feeling when you are really thirsty but you're so thirsty that you've gotten kind of accustomed to it? That's what going through a long dry spell is like. Your mind just isn't right but you are so accustomed to deprivation you don't know what it should look like. I recommend to any guy who's going through a dry spell to just give strip clubs a chance. Too many guys say they are above that or "shouldn't have to pay for it."

But I'm telling you, when you finally have a beautiful girl rubbing herself up on you and being able to touch her thighs and run your fingers through her hair. Its like finally getting that glass of water. Everything suddenly feels right with the world. The colors look brighter, music sounds better. You have a more optimistic take on everything. You start looking at the world with a glass half full mindset instead of a glass half empty mindset.

Look paying for sex is completely natural, you're not the first guy to do it, you won't be the last, and paying for sex is not even uncommon to begin with. Your ego is the biggest thing standing in the way of your happiness. You need to defeat your ego and just look at sex as a biological need that must be fulfilled instead of a status/popularity symbol that you engage in to look cool and chad-like to other people.
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Maybe not bitter or angry but certainly depressed. If you are a guy and can't get a girlfriend it affects your mental. Keyword "CAN'T" not choosing not to get one or not having interest in getting one.
Sep 14, 2020 11:28 AM

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Yeah its definitely natural to be angry and bitter if you are a virgin.

You can feel it really acutely if you go to a strip club. I just went to one a few days ago and I hadn't touched a girl in many months before then and its incredible how much having a cute/sexy girl grind on you and touch you for even just 15 minutes or so can change your mood. I swear that music sounds 3x better after getting a lap dance from a hot girl. You will find it hard not to sing out loud in your car.

You know that feeling when you are really thirsty but you're so thirsty that you've gotten kind of accustomed to it? That's what going through a long dry spell is like. Your mind just isn't right but you are so accustomed to deprivation you don't know what it should look like. I recommend to any guy who's going through a dry spell to just give strip clubs a chance. Too many guys say they are above that or "shouldn't have to pay for it."

But I'm telling you, when you finally have a beautiful girl rubbing herself up on you and being able to touch her thighs and run your fingers through her hair. Its like finally getting that glass of water. Everything suddenly feels right with the world. The colors look brighter, music sounds better. You have a more optimistic take on everything. You start looking at the world with a glass half full mindset instead of a glass half empty mindset.

Look paying for sex is completely natural, you're not the first guy to do it, you won't be the last, and paying for sex is not even uncommon to begin with. Your ego is the biggest thing standing in the way of your happiness. You need to defeat your ego and just look at sex as a biological need that must be fulfilled instead of a status/popularity symbol that you engage in to look cool and chad-like to other people.

u forgot to drop the footage of your visit to the strip club man, i gotchu bro

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Sep 14, 2020 11:42 AM
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I want to assure all virgins here, sex only exciting for the first few days after that...the excitement will degrade significantly with each relationship until you reach the bottom, after that...only really perverted stuff will get you excited.

(It's like the scary house in the Amusement Park after you've seen it all inside it's not scary at all the second time around)
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ProfessionalNEET said:
BallistikJuice said:
I want to assure all virgins here, sex only exciting for the first few days after that...the excitement will degrade significantly with each relationship until you reach the bottom, after that...only really perverted stuff will get you excited.

(It's like the scary house in the Amusement Park after you've seen it all inside it's not scary at all the second time around)

Us virgins (or at least me) have already experienced that but with porn instead of sex. I miss the days when seeing a picture of a girl in a bikini was exciting.


You are lucky (I guess), girls in a bikini were never exciting or interesting for me, so I skipped that nonsense and jumped straight to the good stuff.
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Sex makes you happy, the happier you are the more attractive you become lol
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I don't think it's true, and besides, we guys know how to release our frustration, by using our hands of course! The thing is, when you get a girlfriend, you get shit ton of responsibilities, you get too busy with your girlfriend, and eventually you start changing and you can't do the things you love anymore. This why I prefer being single, also I have no interest in sex, I'm still underage, I have all the time in the world to have sex, I should focus on enjoying my life right now, not sex. And yeah, even my dad sometimes jokes about how he'll get me a stripper for my 18th birthday, I have plenty of options to have sex, I just don't need it right now. As for anger issues, I have them regardless of sex, it's not like I'm gonna be a happy and calm 24/7 the moment I have sex.

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I can definitely say from my own experience that I was a very bitter angry person because of my virginity, and I don’t blame myself or any other person for being that way. I’m no longer that way anymore though since I’ve kind of grown accustomed to being a virgin. Sure, I’d love to have a caring girlfriend and have sex, but I often find myself thinking of the negatives of being in a relationship rather than the positives. Honestly though I think that sort of thinking is my coping mechanism.

I also think I was much more bitter about being a virgin in the past because I surrounded myself with other frustrated virgins daily. That probably had a lot to do with my attitude and personality being as bitter as it was.

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Maybe virgins are more grumpy, but relationships can result in much higher spikes in anger. Almost all the shouting, swearing and wall punching I have seen has almost always been the result of relationship woes rather than of virginity. And don't even get me going on post-break up mood swings... This only applies to guys as I can't speak with experience about women as I try my best not be a walking kleenex.

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BallistikJuice said:
ProfessionalNEET said:

Us virgins (or at least me) have already experienced that but with porn instead of sex. I miss the days when seeing a picture of a girl in a bikini was exciting.


You are lucky (I guess), girls in a bikini were never exciting or interesting for me, so I skipped that nonsense and jumped straight to the good stuff.

You just need to do a "reboot". If you stop watching porn completely for 3 months your brain rewires and bikini's become extremely attractive to you again. I remember I stopped looking at porn for a whole month and everything was starting to look attractive to me, even fatties. I was able to fap to girls clothed. It was like I was 14 all over again.

ProfessionalNEET said:
BallistikJuice said:
I want to assure all virgins here, sex only exciting for the first few days after that...the excitement will degrade significantly with each relationship until you reach the bottom, after that...only really perverted stuff will get you excited.

(It's like the scary house in the Amusement Park after you've seen it all inside it's not scary at all the second time around)

Us virgins (or at least me) have already experienced that but with porn instead of sex. I miss the days when seeing a picture of a girl in a bikini was exciting.

You can get that back if you stop watching porn for a few months. Your brain will reboot and it will be easier for you to be stimulated by anything.
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It would seem that way initially by the existence of involuntarily celibate 'community' that is rather pervasive as they are unpleasant. But this perception may be liable to the common phenomenon of survivorship bias, as only those who pass the selection process (those that are indeed bitter and angry) will be in the public eye with their misogynistic posts, those that fail the selection process will not post anything misogynistic and not be spotted by the people as counter-examples. You're in effect selecting for the bitter people by virtue of your observations.
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ProfessionalNEET said:
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You can get that back if you stop watching porn for a few months. Your brain will reboot and it will be easier for you to be stimulated by anything.

I've tried that (well, more like a few weeks, but still), but the specific nature of my sexual dysfunction makes that approach not work.

The reason for your sexual dysfunction may be due to obsessive porn use. I'm not a doctor but I've read articles stating that if you watch too much porn it can mess up your brain. I don't know how often you watch porn but you might have to abstain from porn and fapping for at least 6 months before seeing any progress. The normal amount of time is supposed to be 3 be months but some people may need more. I'm assuming you're a young man as well and sexual dysfunction is more common in middle aged men than young men.
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ProfessionalNEET said:
Zeroflamez said:

The reason for your sexual dysfunction may be due to obsessive porn use. I'm not a doctor but I've read articles stating that if you watch too much porn it can mess up your brain. I don't know how often you watch porn but you might have to abstain from porn and fapping for at least 6 months before seeing any progress. The normal amount of time is supposed to be 3 be months but some people may need more. I'm assuming you're a young man as well and sexual dysfunction is more common in middle aged men than young men.

I'm well aware of all those things, but my sexual dysfunction is a bit more complicated than just having trouble getting aroused by things. I don't want to go into detail, but I suspect that I'd need to do more than just a few months of no fapping to fix my libido. I really need to see a therapist about this problem and many others.

Damn. Well I hope you sort all of that out and get some help.
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yeah I guess we are. however we have the ability to see things in a different way than the slutty guys can. so its not all bad.

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Sex makes you happy, the happier you are the more attractive you become lol
Wrong! Having the ability to be as ornery as a cat in rain and still be attractive is where it's at.


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It depends I think. There are those who take being a virgin too seriously to heart and end up bitter towards those who aren't virgins simply because they're jealous or something, and then there's just the chill ones, aiming to become a wizard or something.
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Okay can we please address how unbelievably neutered so many guys these days are?

How does anybody get bored of jerking off to girls in bikinis? I don't want to hear that its because they watched too much porn because I've been jerking off using "visual aids" every day since I was 14 years old and I'm 22 now. I've been jerking off about 4 times a day overall since I was 15.

I still can't help but check out every girl I walk past. I watch anime and often times I get horny looking at the girls in short skirts. I sometimes get really horny just because one of the girls put her hands on the other girl's face. There were many times at college during the spring and summer months that I walked around with a near permanent boner in my pants because of all the skimpily dressed girls and would become desperate to get back home because I was about to explode. I would cum in like 10 seconds once I got back to my room.

Back when I was going to strip clubs twice a week, if you had given me enough money I would've gone every day. I literally counted the days until I had enough money to go back. With the girl I dated last summer, when I saw her we would literally have sex 4 times that day and when I woke up the next day I was ready to do it all over again.

Now I'm aware of that fact that my sex drive seems a bit unusually high. But quite frankly, I find it ridiculous that you've got so many guys these days talking about having no interest in sex and not being able to jerk off to a photo of a girl in a bikini or a short skirt. I mean what the hell are they putting in the water where you live?

For Christ's sake y'all get your shit together. Get some testosterone injections, visit a health therapist or something because this is terrifying. I've met men in their 60s that have higher sex drives than a lot of guys in their 20s do these days and quite frankly, that should not be happening. In your 20s you should be jerking off like 1-2 times a day at least, obsessing over girl's bodies, and cracking dirty jokes.
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Okay can we please address how unbelievably neutered so many guys these days are?

How does anybody get bored of jerking off to girls in bikinis? I don't want to hear that its because they watched too much porn because I've been jerking off using "visual aids" every day since I was 14 years old and I'm 22 now. I've been jerking off about 4 times a day overall since I was 15.

I still can't help but check out every girl I walk past. I watch anime and often times I get horny looking at the girls in short skirts. I sometimes get really horny just because one of the girls put her hands on the other girl's face. There were many times at college during the spring and summer months that I walked around with a near permanent boner in my pants because of all the skimpily dressed girls and would become desperate to get back home because I was about to explode. I would cum in like 10 seconds once I got back to my room.

Back when I was going to strip clubs twice a week, if you had given me enough money I would've gone every day. I literally counted the days until I had enough money to go back. With the girl I dated last summer, when I saw her we would literally have sex 4 times that day and when I woke up the next day I was ready to do it all over again.

Now I'm aware of that fact that my sex drive seems a bit unusually high. But quite frankly, I find it ridiculous that you've got so many guys these days talking about having no interest in sex and not being able to jerk off to a photo of a girl in a bikini or a short skirt. I mean what the hell are they putting in the water where you live?

For Christ's sake y'all get your shit together. Get some testosterone injections, visit a health therapist or something because this is terrifying. I've met men in their 60s that have higher sex drives than a lot of guys in their 20s do these days and quite frankly, that should not be happening. In your 20s you should be jerking off like 1-2 times a day at least, obsessing over girl's bodies, and cracking dirty jokes.
Nah just because someone doesnt jerk off and obesses over a girls body doesnt mean they have low T also cracking dirty jokes doesnt mean you have high T.


Doesn't matter if they are high or low T, they need to be doing something to fix this shit because its unnatural.
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In your 20s you should be jerking off like 1-2 times a day at least, obsessing over girl's bodies, and cracking dirty jokes.
Let's see you pull off 54-63 hour work weeks like how I do and still have the energy to fap. Seriously man get a work or something to help out with the excess energy.


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In your 20s you should be jerking off like 1-2 times a day at least, obsessing over girl's bodies, and cracking dirty jokes.
Let's see you pull off 54-63 hour work weeks like how I do and still have the energy to fap. Seriously man get a work or something to help out with the excess energy.


I'm working two jobs right now approximately 45-50 hours a week. Twice a day is easy.

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Doesn't matter if they are high or low T, they need to be doing something to fix this shit because its unnatural.
Watching porn is whats messing with alot of guys sex drive back when I was fully addicted I couldn't even get it up to anything other than penetration scenes and even now the problems still there because i haven't managed to fully quit yet and still relapse every other day.


I actually think you might be somewhat right because most guys don't use their imaginations, they use porn every single time they jerk off.

All my life I've maintained a 3:1 ratio. I use my imagination 3 times and porn for the fourth time I jerk off. Since I jerk off 4 times a day it ends up meaning I do watch porn every day but I don't seem to have this "boredom" that so many guys describe. I don't even watch hentai because ecchi is enough for me and I don't like looking at bizarre sex.

Perhaps that's part of it, I don't doubt that genetics has something to do with it as well.
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Ryuk9428 said:
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Let's see you pull off 54-63 hour work weeks like how I do and still have the energy to fap. Seriously man get a work or something to help out with the excess energy.


I'm working two jobs right now approximately 45-50 hours a week. Twice a day is easy.
Then I'm guessing its not physical one such as mine. No moving of five pallets of soda and two pallets of beer? No 50 kg sugar sacks? Hit the gym. Just find a way to spend all that built up energy.


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I remember my male cousins being virgins and they never were bitter or frustrated. My bf was a virgin till his early 20s - I've never noticed any bitterness in him too, he was very sweet, as always.
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Usually the only angry bitter virgins are the ones that think they are entitled to sex. If you want something work for it buddy.
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Honestly, @Ryuk9428, I think you overdo it. But you do you, each has a different libido.


I definitely think that there is a correlation, but it's not really just sex, it's a mix of things. It's the pleasantness, the sense of responsibility, the fact that you are not so often alone with your own thoughts, not feeling lonely, the lack of uncertainty perhaps... Feeling lonely and aimless can make people bitter, I guess, and more prone to self-deprecation or self-pity. That's on the romantic part. And as for sex, well, sex is fun. You have a good time, so it's hard to not see it as something positive for your mood. Specially if it's a regular event.
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Luchse said:
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I'm working two jobs right now approximately 45-50 hours a week. Twice a day is easy.
Then I'm guessing its not physical one such as mine. No moving of five pallets of soda and two pallets of beer? No 50 kg sugar sacks? Hit the gym. Just find a way to spend all that built up energy.


No they are admittedly pretty relaxed jobs. I don't want to do what you're doing.

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Okay can we please address how unbelievably neutered so many guys these days are?

How does anybody get bored of jerking off to girls in bikinis? I don't want to hear that its because they watched too much porn because I've been jerking off using "visual aids" every day since I was 14 years old and I'm 22 now. I've been jerking off about 4 times a day overall since I was 15.

I still can't help but check out every girl I walk past. I watch anime and often times I get horny looking at the girls in short skirts. I sometimes get really horny just because one of the girls put her hands on the other girl's face. There were many times at college during the spring and summer months that I walked around with a near permanent boner in my pants because of all the skimpily dressed girls and would become desperate to get back home because I was about to explode. I would cum in like 10 seconds once I got back to my room.

Back when I was going to strip clubs twice a week, if you had given me enough money I would've gone every day. I literally counted the days until I had enough money to go back. With the girl I dated last summer, when I saw her we would literally have sex 4 times that day and when I woke up the next day I was ready to do it all over again.

Now I'm aware of that fact that my sex drive seems a bit unusually high. But quite frankly, I find it ridiculous that you've got so many guys these days talking about having no interest in sex and not being able to jerk off to a photo of a girl in a bikini or a short skirt. I mean what the hell are they putting in the water where you live?

For Christ's sake y'all get your shit together. Get some testosterone injections, visit a health therapist or something because this is terrifying. I've met men in their 60s that have higher sex drives than a lot of guys in their 20s do these days and quite frankly, that should not be happening. In your 20s you should be jerking off like 1-2 times a day at least, obsessing over girl's bodies, and cracking dirty jokes.

Wow, you are quite the horndog. Also, you've had a girlfriend and had sex? What's up with all this complaining about not being able to get laid or get a girlfriend then?


I've dated two girls, but it was only for a month with each one. They were very spaced apart as well. The first one was when I was 16 and I didn't date another girl until I was 21.

My success rate with girls in the sense of finding a girl to date me is approximately 1 in 250. Meaning I'd have to approach probably about 250 girls in order to find one who will date me. Course I know a friend who's in an even stranger position. He has messaged like 15,000 girls apparently on dating apps, gone on two dates that were a bust and successfully ended up dating 4 of the 15,000.

I am not an incel per se, by the standard definition, but I do have limited experience. Its not as bad as being an incel but its still bad and I feel like the whole game is just extremely rigged against guys. My friend and I, I'd consider us to be a 6 or so in looks, I just don't think it should be this hard where you have approach hundreds of girls before finding one who will date you. Its not game over for me, but it is frustrating.

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Honestly, @Ryuk9428, I think you overdo it. But you do you, each has a different libido.


I definitely think that there is a correlation, but it's not really just sex, it's a mix of things. It's the pleasantness, the sense of responsibility, the fact that you are not so often alone with your own thoughts, not feeling lonely, the lack of uncertainty perhaps... Feeling lonely and aimless can make people bitter, I guess, and more prone to self-deprecation or self-pity. That's on the romantic part. And as for sex, well, sex is fun. You have a good time, so it's hard to not see it as something positive for your mood. Specially if it's a regular event.


I definitely wouldn't consider mine to be moderate, but I do think its better than having a low sex drive because I've never met anybody who had a low sex drive that wasn't depressed, obese, an alcoholic, or heavy smoker. Its a sign of a significant health problem for all but a very small few who may genuinely be that way naturally but it seems to be a lot more guys right now than is natural.

I wouldn't expect most people to be me, but I do think its unhealthy to have little to no sexual motivation at all.
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So sex=happiness?
Then I must a Heracles or something in terms of wrath
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If you put your entire value on getting a mate and you have problems achieving it, I'm not surprised someone can get frustrated. Though, I think these guys are taking this too seriously.

You will need more than just your goal set on getting a romantic relationship to be involved in the life of many other people. Not to even say intimate relationships. Typically, I can't say I have seen such a person this bitter about getting a relationship yet.
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depends on the scenario case by case i never seen scenarios like that happen outside of movies

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yes according to science

Fatherhood Decreases Testosterone
A new study shows that becoming a father leads to a sharp decline in testosterone, suggesting that although high levels of the hormone may help men win a mate, testosterone-fueled traits such as aggression and competition are less useful when it comes to raising children.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/09/fatherhood-decreases-testosterone
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Someone can be lonely regardless of if they are a virgin or not or if they have been in a relationship or not. They can be bitter and angry either way too. I think you're just having confirmation bias. Also romance isn't all about sex. I mean it can play an important role but it's not all that necessary for intimacy.
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yes according to science

Fatherhood Decreases Testosterone
A new study shows that becoming a father leads to a sharp decline in testosterone, suggesting that although high levels of the hormone may help men win a mate, testosterone-fueled traits such as aggression and competition are less useful when it comes to raising children.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/09/fatherhood-decreases-testosterone


Do they have any scientific evidence when men usually get bored with their partners?

You know, how they say that "Love only lasts 100 days" well, from my experience it was ranged usually from 2 weeks to a month at best before I lose my interest.

But, I guess it could be the other factors as well, but, still, I was actually way more stressed/annoyed during the relationships than when I'm single.
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My success rate with girls in the sense of finding a girl to date me is approximately 1 in 250. Meaning I'd have to approach probably about 250 girls in order to find one who will date me. Course I know a friend who's in an even stranger position. He has messaged like 15,000 girls apparently on dating apps, gone on two dates that were a bust and successfully ended up dating 4 of the 15,000.

I am not an incel per se, by the standard definition, but I do have limited experience. Its not as bad as being an incel but its still bad and I feel like the whole game is just extremely rigged against guys. My friend and I, I'd consider us to be a 6 or so in looks, I just don't think it should be this hard where you have approach hundreds of girls before finding one who will date you. Its not game over for me, but it is frustrating.

I can think of 4 girls I have tried to romantically pursue, with me putting sustained effort into only 1 of them. The one I put effort into I came close to dating, but was too much of a chicken to ever ask her out. I pursued her during 12th grade in high school, and later found out she had a crush on me during that time, so I might have been able to date her if had the nerves to. I picked that particular girl because she was socially awkward and plain-looking. Why use those criteria? Because I figured she would be more deprived of male attention than other girls and in turn be less picky than most. It seems this strategy almost worked. However, she seems to have developed a social life since I graduated from high school (she was 1 year behind me), and has had at least 2 irl boyfriends (in addition I think to some online boyfriends) since then. It kind of hurts to see pictures of her with her boyfriends, because it makes me feel like she's progressed far in life while I've fallen far behind.

At any rate, have you ever tried the strategy of going for the introverted, awkward types? I suspect you may have better luck with them than with the more popular girls, since they would probably be less picky and (maybe) be more likely to have shared interests with you. Heck, you might even find a girl who's a weeb like you (the girl I pursued was a weeb, although I was not at the time). I tried this strategy once and it almost worked. I bet if I had tried it, say, 5 times it would have worked at least once. I see little reason to think it would work less for you.


Of course I look for those types of girls. Surprisingly though, they're not very common after high school.
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Sep 14, 2020 9:14 PM

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You have to be spiritually trained to attain celibacy so this half willed virgin who will blame girls for their problems are more bitter
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Gray is supposed to be a goth/edgy color now?
Black, sure, but gray?
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deg said:
yes according to science

Fatherhood Decreases Testosterone
A new study shows that becoming a father leads to a sharp decline in testosterone, suggesting that although high levels of the hormone may help men win a mate, testosterone-fueled traits such as aggression and competition are less useful when it comes to raising children.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/09/fatherhood-decreases-testosterone


Do they have any scientific evidence when men usually get bored with their partners?

You know, how they say that "Love only lasts 100 days" well, from my experience it was ranged usually from 2 weeks to a month at best before I lose my interest.

But, I guess it could be the other factors as well, but, still, I was actually way more stressed/annoyed during the relationships than when I'm single.


quick google and i found the contrary

The Bored Sex
Women, more than men, tend to feel stultified by long-term exclusivity—despite having been taught that they were designed for it. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/women-get-bored-sex-long-term-relationships/582736/
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People just feel sad, depressed, angry, etc.... whenever they feel like they're not good enough, you can get that feeling whether it be in dating failures or just relationship issues or something else completely. I think its more about human nature, not necessarily love, but love definitely influences a lot of our emotions.
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deg said:
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Do they have any scientific evidence when men usually get bored with their partners?

You know, how they say that "Love only lasts 100 days" well, from my experience it was ranged usually from 2 weeks to a month at best before I lose my interest.

But, I guess it could be the other factors as well, but, still, I was actually way more stressed/annoyed during the relationships than when I'm single.


a quick google and I found the contrary

The Bored Sex
Women, more than men, tend to feel stultified by long-term exclusivity—despite having been taught that they were designed for it. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/women-get-bored-sex-long-term-relationships/582736/


Well, yeah, as expected, feminists are on every corner no matter where you look, lol.
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the irony of "bitter and angry" responses coming from this forum makes it crystal clear that OP's thesis is entirely correct.
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I think it is more of people who's happiness relies on others will not be happy unless they are codependent, never experiencing true longlasting happiness through themselves. It is a pretty sad mindset to put yourself in.

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Of course I look for those types of girls. Surprisingly though, they're not very common after high school.

Have you tried joining some sort of nerd group or something? Surely there must be some sort of local anime club in your area. Granted, I've never belonged to such a group, or at least not long enough to make any friends. I suspect you may have spent most of your time looking in the wrong places. I recall you saying that you used to go to clubs a lot and even go on cruises to meet girls. Then again, there's probably not a place I can think of that you haven't already looked. Another suspicion I have is that you may be too picky. I've noticed you seem to want a trad girl, but I have no idea if you're willing to date a girl who's not trad. Then again, who am I to give advice on this subject?

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Gray is supposed to be a goth/edgy color now?
Black, sure, but gray?

I don't know, that was just his style. As I recall, for a time, he would wear black Monday through Thursday, and wear gray on Fridays. I don't know why, but that was his style.


Yeah I joined an anime club back in college. There was one girl there I was trying to talk to some but COVID sort of messed things up.

Its not a big deal though.

Even before I was into trad girls, trad girls have been the only ones who were into me. Both of the girls I did date were very religious and came from conservative families and every girl that I've gotten close to dating also came from a trad background. A big reason why I'm into trad girls is a response to them liking me.

I've been in some social circles where it was entirely composed of nerdy guys and trad girls. But the gender ratio would be off, so it'd be like 10 guys and 3 girls. Two of the girls ended up dating guys in our group but given the ratio, my odds were fairly low. One of the guys in our group though, he was straight up ugly, I'm not even joking but the girl he dated was incredibly gorgeous. In my experience, nerdy, kinda awkward guys have the best chance with Christian girls and girls from Asian countries. In both of those instances, a lot of girls from those backgrounds seem to view shyness as kind of charming in a way that most girls don't. Like if you're shy around a trad girl, she usually finds it cute. If you're shy around a popular girl, she usually thinks you're a pussy. A lot of trad girls tend to be awkward and introverted too so maybe they see themselves in you more when you are that way.

Also, despite being a horndog, I was raised to be chivalrous by my parents so I really don't get along well with girls who expect you to be direct and upfront about your lust for them. I just wasn't raised that way and I can't do it. Even in strip clubs, I can't do it. I tend to talk to strippers in a completely normal way. Like we're strangers meeting on the streets. I might say they are cute but that's about it. I'm stunned by guys who just straight up DM girls with sexual requests on Tinder or social media. I feel like that's not how a guy should behave around girls. My mom used to tell me "all women know what men want, you don't need to say it."
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sexual frustration can be pretty bad.


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I've said it before. Incels bitterness is often just another way to ensure their genes stay in the gene pool by making girls feel sorry for not dating them and have sex with them out of pity. It's a bit like playing dead to survive. It may seem pathetic, but it sometimes works. Other guys pretend to be nice for this same reason. Some guys work hard, trying to improve themselves, but in the end, it's almost always about coitus.

So next time you see a bitter or a desperate virgin wallowing in self-pity, know that he is already trying to manipulate you into having sex with him even if he doesn't consciously realize it.

That's all for today's lecture, don't forget to submit your homework by Friday.
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