| Personally,I believe that Kuzu no Honkai is an anime that gets a lot of undeserved hate.I have seen a lot of people saying it's garbage and illogical but I enjoyed the anime a lot. Kuzu no Honkai or Scum's Wish is a very unique and interesting take on the romance genre.This anime shows the ugliest and the most terrible aspects of real life relationships in a very realistic way.It managed to do an excellent job portraying the difficulties and hardships of love.So I didn't quite fathom why people hate the anime and think it's illogical.I thought it definitely got a lot of undeserved hate. Are there anime shows that you think don't deserve the amount of hate they get? |
IrrelevantGuyMay 1, 2020 1:09 AM
| Demon Slayer Sword Art Online Rising of the Shield Hero |
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| Another one of these threads? Tower of God. Just because it was overhyped doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it |
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| All of them. Don't waste your energy on some burning hatred for a cartoon. It's fine to dislike and criticize something, but some people treat anime they dislike like some kind of personal attack lmao |
MiraiApr 30, 2020 6:46 AM
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| Yeah, tower of god. Although I was skeptical about the first episode, its done fairly well with the other eps. I generally do the hating, yeah. Not my territory to compliment hated animes. |
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| Unless the hate reaches the anime creators, it hardly matters... Also: "Deserves got nothing to do with it"- William Munny, Unforgiven (1992) Some people will show hatred whenever some show they didn't like so much/haven't seen gets more popularity and/or ratings than their liked show. It is a natural reaction. Instead of using constructive criticism, they give in to the easier way by spreading the hate. I know I didn't answer your question, because I avoid the hate threads. But a little investigation will show that almost every popular show of last 10 years has their fair share of haters. |
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| Erased - Most people disliked only because their ship didn't happened. Really pathetic SAO S1 - S1 definitely doesn't have all the problems people claim to have (while ignoring what the show does right). But that can't be said about Alicization. That Season is a complete disaster. But, since people mention shows that I belive derserves more hate than it gets, I will mention them: Shield Hero - After the first 4 episodes, the show became 100% dumb. Villains were dumb, side characters were cute fanservice, in another words dumb, even the resolution of the first 4 episodes was dumb Kimetsu no Yaiba - The show is currently the 21st on MAL, won AOTY, while offering absolutely nothing in terms of storytelling. I don't understand how can someone say this show receives "hate", when it has so much underserved praise everywhere |
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| Imma be real, I thought .hack//Sign was a good anime excluding the ending. Imo it definitely does not deserve the hate it gets. |
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| Baccano,bleach and inferno cop(special mention) |
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| The FLCL sequels, Progressive and Alternative. I've seen a lot of people lob their shit at them and I've never really understood why. I kinda liked Progressive and the worst thing that Alternative ever did was be a little bit dull towards the end. Also for a (thankfully) small amount of people, the word progressive is just some psychological trigger they never knew they had. It's weird, but at the time, I genuinely saw one or two people refuse to watch the show because it had the word 'progressive' in the title. SSSS.Gridman I also really enjoyed... Also, basically everything Kunihiko Ikuhara has ever made, but Sarazanmai most recently. |
ChilliePeppersApr 30, 2020 10:12 AM
| Aku no Hana x2 Ya it doesn't look visually appealing but that doesn't detract from the rest of the series. |
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IrrelevantGuy said: Personally,I believe that Kuzu no Honkai is an anime that gets a lot of undeserved hate.I have seen a lot of people saying it's garbage and illogical but I enjoyed the anime a lot. Kuzu no Honkai or Scum's Wish takes a very unique and interesting take on the romance genre.This anime shows the ugliest and the most terrible aspects of real life relationships in a very realistic way.It managed to do an excellent job portraying the difficulties and hardships of love.So I didn't quite fathom why people hate the anime and think it's illogical.I thought it definitely got a lot of undeserved hate. Are there anime shows that you think don't deserve the amount of hate they get? MY MAAAAAN.... it's very sad to see Kuzu no Honkai in such bad light...  |
suubarashii said: BlakexEkalb said: I think the thing about Shield Hero is the EXACT reason people hate it, and that’s justified. Shield Hero was "okay", if anything its an above average revenge-porn series (leagues above the others like redo of healer) and while I do think it gets very bland, repetitive, and disinteresting, I think that a lot of it's hate was undeserved and Shield Hero got slapped with the same initial hate that Goblin Slayer did when they both dropped; just because there's sensitive issues in our current world that are discussed or mirrored in these fantasy settings doesn't warrant the absurd amount of articles/hate pieces being written and expressed about both series imo I hate to agree with woke SJW types but in the case of Shield Hero, most of their criticism was probably correct. The show seemed tailor-made to pander to the insecurities of men who are angry with women even though they've never held a conversation with one before. Goblin Slayer on the other hand was a pretty good show. |
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d_agra said: SAO,Re Zero, Rising Shield Hero absolutely deserves the hate it gets. re:zero is great what are you even taking about lumping it in with the likes of Shield Hero |
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| sao definitely deserves the hate it gets. tower of god doesn't. |
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| Kuzu No Honkai does get some invalid criticism I would say, but the anime that has really fell victim to invalid criticism is School Days. The point of the show completely flew over everybody's heads. epidemia78 said: suubarashii said: Shield Hero was "okay", if anything its an above average revenge-porn series (leagues above the others like redo of healer) and while I do think it gets very bland, repetitive, and disinteresting, I think that a lot of it's hate was undeserved and Shield Hero got slapped with the same initial hate that Goblin Slayer did when they both dropped; just because there's sensitive issues in our current world that are discussed or mirrored in these fantasy settings doesn't warrant the absurd amount of articles/hate pieces being written and expressed about both series imo I hate to agree with woke SJW types but in the case of Shield Hero, most of their criticism was probably correct. The show seemed tailor-made to pander to the insecurities of men who are angry with women even though they've never held a conversation with one before. Goblin Slayer on the other hand was a pretty good show. Rising of the Shield Hero is glorious. I don't know if the creator even knows what he did. But the SJWs clearly realized that the world of Melromarc is like a wet dream for them and what they want our world to look like, and they were angry when they realized they are in-fact the villains of their own story by pushing us towards being a society like that at a frightening pace. |
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| OG Naruto and Shippuuden. I guess fillers made everyone forget about some great arcs and characters. |
| Like half the criticism any show gets, speaking strictly in regards to the MAL community (although I assume it applies to communities outside mal/anime too) is absolute garbage lol. I'm not saying the shows don't have room to be criticized, but so much criticism on here is lazy recycled garbage. People will judge a show they probably lied about even watching, and then give some BS meme statement on it. edit: NamikazeHime said: OG Naruto and Shippuuden. I guess fillers made everyone forget about some great arcs and characters. I mean, I can understand people criticizing Naruto on its filler, if they've actually seen it and it bothered them that much (I was okay with it because I enjoyed the characters), but what I hate is people who most likely haven't even seen it calling it childish or generic or lacking depth. It has some of the most symbolic and introspective writing I've seen in any anime. "“...Every single one of us goes through life depending on and bound by our individual knowledge and awareness, and we call it reality. However, both knowledge and awareness are equivocal. One's reality might be another's illusion. We all live inside our own fantasies, don't you think?” Similar meaning to the quote that "History is controlled by the victor." |
Hokage_JasonApr 30, 2020 11:44 AM
| Lolicons are scum. BABYMETAL is more metal than Metallica. Naruto is objectively the best anime ever. HxH 99' is decent. HxH 11' is bad. |
| lmao, I was about to say almost none of them do because I almost never really hate a show and most that get a lot of vitriol don't deserve it because nothing deserves that much vitriol. But then OP mentioned Kuzu no Honkai and I was like "yeah, that's one of them that definitely would deserve it". Except I don't really see any hate for it, all I see are edgy teens calling it 'realistic' for being extremely one-sided (exclusively negative) in its depiction of people and love and recommending it to each other as one of the best romances from recent years... So I figure it deserves some more hate from me so here I go: I was not surprised to see the typical, edgy 'it's realistic because everyone behaves like an asshole and sex is the only thing they care about' argumentation in its defense. Oh, to be 15 again and actually think that's deep writing instead of embarassing writing... That's exactly why I hate it, because it caters to the edgy crowd, the same people who hate every nice and likable character because only assholes are considered 'realistic' or 'interesting' by their immature minds. I hate that whole mentality of worshipping shitty characters, bad decisions, toxic mentalities and asshole characters in general while calling every decent and likable character 'boring' just because they aren't written to be as edgy as possible, which is very dominant in the anime community. But well, if that's what you're into so be it, I won't really care as long as you just do your thing and watch what you like. I just can't stand it when they are trying to sell us their twisted values and preferences as 'just liking it because it's realistic', like they're just caring about realism, when they really just choose to only accept shitty actions and shitty characters as 'realistic'. It's their choice, their preference, it has nothing to do with actually caring about realism or not. It's not doing an 'excellent job at portraying the hardships of love' by just writing a bunch of extremely selfish, asshole characters ruining each others lives. That's just forcing it, that's just an extremely one-sided depiction of the topic of relationships and love, that lacks any balance, any reason and only creates artificial, frustrating situations one after another, pandering to the crowd who thinks that the only way to be realistic is to be as negative and toxic as possible in your writing. Just no. Fuck that show and fuck the people who worship it as 'realistic'. |
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| Definitely RErideD: Tokigoe no Derrida. I found this anime quite good, and while it definitely wasn't a masterpiece, it wasn't bad at all. I have absolutely no idea why so many people don't like it. |
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asplund said: Nefelupitou said: I think SAO doesn't deserve When I watched, I thought I would see the worst anime ever, but it's just an average isekai The problem is not that it is "tHe wOrSt aNimE eVEr", but that it is stupidly popular compared to it's quality. I agree. It's a demonstrable fact that bad taste exists and is a lot more prevalent than good taste, because having good taste in pretty much anything usually takes time to develop, and if you don't put the time in you're left with bad taste. Don't believe me? Look at the UK Top 40 music charts. Or the sales numbers for Taylor Swift's last album. How can an auto-tuned talentless song-writer/singer get so popular? Fill a void in order to exploit bad taste and set it all to some catchy but basic and repetitive backing track. Licence to print money. Until someone with some actual talent comes along. It's why peoples tastes change over time. They develop as people and start to recognise a gold painted turd from the real McCoy. But it's important to keep things in perspective. Having bad taste is no big deal and everyone has bad taste in something unless you're the coolest motherfucker to ever walk the earth. |
CallMeHootApr 30, 2020 12:03 PM
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Ryuk9428 said: Rising of the Shield Hero is glorious. I don't know if the creator even knows what he did. But the SJWs clearly realized that the world of Melromarc is like a wet dream for them and what they want our world to look like, and they were angry when they realized they are in-fact the villains of their own story by pushing us towards being a society like that at a frightening pace. If only Naofumi didn't turn into a self-pitying edgelord it wouldn't have been so bad. |
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Pullman said: I was not surprised to see the typical, edgy 'it's realistic because everyone behaves like an asshole and sex is the only thing they care about' argumentation in its defense. Oh, to be 15 again and actually think that's deep writing instead of embarassing writing... That's exactly why I hate it, because it caters to the edgy crowd, the same people who hate every nice and likable character because only assholes are considered 'realistic' or 'interesting' by their immature minds. I hate that whole mentality of worshipping shitty characters, bad decisions, toxic mentalities and asshole characters in general while calling every decent and likable character 'boring' just because they aren't written to be as edgy as possible, which is very dominant in the anime community. But well, if that's what you're into so be it, I won't really care as long as you just do your thing and watch what you like. I just can't stand it when they are trying to sell us their twisted values and preferences as 'just liking it because it's realistic', like they're just caring about realism, when they really just choose to only accept shitty actions and shitty characters as 'realistic'. It's their choice, their preference, it has nothing to do with actually caring about realism or not. It's not doing an 'excellent job at portraying the hardships of love' by just writing a bunch of extremely selfish, asshole characters ruining each others lives. That's just forcing it, that's just an extremely one-sided depiction of the topic of relationships and love, that lacks any balance, any reason and only creates artificial, frustrating situations one after another, pandering to the crowd who thinks that the only way to be realistic is to be as negative and toxic as possible in your writing. Just no. Fuck that show and fuck the people who worship it as 'realistic'. Well man, you just shit all over that for me :P I haven't seen it but it's in my PTW list. I guess I'll still give it a go for the sake of it, but in terms of your take on "edgy" writing I couldn't agree more. If people wanted more "realism" then they'd be looking for fundamentally good characters that are compromised in some way by a particular character flaw, ambition, situation, etc. You know. Like Bill Shakespeare did it. Because in reality people are very rarely "all bad". But as you say man, youth generally equates to a lack of experience with good writing (I mean, how many novels can most 15 year olds say they've read? 5? 10 at the outside?) and so they see "edge" as quality, or a sign of good writing, instead of the cringe trash it is *looking at you, Death Note*. But as always (because when I bash Death Note I always need a disclaimer, maybe I should change my signature), please know dear MAL users that I'm bashing the show, not you. If you like something and take enjoyment from it then good for you, more power to ya. |
CallMeHootApr 30, 2020 12:17 PM
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epidemia78 said: Ryuk9428 said: Rising of the Shield Hero is glorious. I don't know if the creator even knows what he did. But the SJWs clearly realized that the world of Melromarc is like a wet dream for them and what they want our world to look like, and they were angry when they realized they are in-fact the villains of their own story by pushing us towards being a society like that at a frightening pace. If only Naofumi didn't turn into a self-pitying edgelord it wouldn't have been so bad. He represents what happens to a lot of people after they've been accused of a heinous thing they didn't do. I've seen many guys like Naofumi. I've seen the most positive, cheerful guys who, like Naofumi, could be described as a little naive, turn into a sullen mess after being falsely accused of sexual assault. I have never met a guy who was falsely accused of sexual assault in his teenage years who has been able to psychologically recover from it. Some adult men in their 30s and especially in their middle aged years are able to recover from it if the case was clearly bogus and got dropped. But with teenage boys, the accusation alone is enough to mentally destroy them. To a teenage boy, it can feel like you are being accused of murdering somebody and you know you didn't do it but no one believes you because you're the privileged white boy and she's the oppressed and victimized female. But it happens especially often in the teenage years because our current climate has made so many girls think that accusing a guy of sexual assault or harassment is no big deal and just a way to get back at somebody who made them mad for whatever reason. Usually months after they realize how much damage they actually caused, they will confess they made the whole thing up. But after walking around school for months with everybody thinking you're scum, the damage is done. And half-hearted apologies from everybody is not going to make up for it. |
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Nefelupitou said: I think SAO doesn't deserve When I watched, I thought I would see the worst anime ever, but it's just an average isekai Same here. I've never really understood the depth of hate for this show. Admittedly imho the current SAO Alicization War of Underworld is the best SAO arc yet, and I agree the first couple of seasons were riddled with problems (the kind that only appear with hindsight when you go back and thoroughly analyse a show). Yet despite those problems, on my first (and only) watch through, I clearly remember the positive impression SAO made on me. So I've never been able to appreciate the level of hate and vitriol the show receives. |
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Ryuk9428 said: epidemia78 said: If only Naofumi didn't turn into a self-pitying edgelord it wouldn't have been so bad. He represents what happens to a lot of people after they've been accused of a heinous thing they didn't do. I've seen many guys like Naofumi. I've seen the most positive, cheerful guys who, like Naofumi, could be described as a little naive, turn into a sullen mess after being falsely accused of sexual assault. I have never met a guy who was falsely accused of sexual assault in his teenage years who has been able to psychologically recover from it. Some adult men in their 30s and especially in their middle aged years are able to recover from it if the case was clearly bogus and got dropped. But with teenage boys, the accusation alone is enough to mentally destroy them. To a teenage boy, it can feel like you are being accused of murdering somebody and you know you didn't do it but no one believes you because you're the privileged white boy and she's the oppressed and victimized female. But it happens especially often in the teenage years because our current climate has made so many girls think that accusing a guy of sexual assault or harassment is no big deal and just a way to get back at somebody who made them mad for whatever reason. Usually months after they realize how much damage they actually caused, they will confess they made the whole thing up. But after walking around school for months with everybody thinking you're scum, the damage is done. And half-hearted apologies from everybody is not going to make up for it. Luckily for me, I can't relate. SJWs weren't a thing when I was a teenager. But what you said puts things into perspective a bit. I was already a bit edgy as a teen even without having false rape accusations ruining my reputation. Still, too bad Shield Hero had such poor writing because the first few episodes were promising. |
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| I believe Deen's Fate/Stay Night (2006) is way too over-hated. I watched it recently as my first foray into the franchise (without having read the VN or watched Fate/Zero beforehand) and i think it did a respectable job of introducing me into the basics of its universe and lore; i never really felt lost. I legit had fun watching it. Sure, i won't deny that it's flawed and it may be a bad adaptation of the source material, 'cause with a VN as long as F/SN many things are bound to get left out in the anime, but it's really not as bad as the fandom led me to believe it was. Plus, the soundtrack is legitimately great and memorable. |
Stygian_PrisonerApr 30, 2020 1:11 PM
| Naruto and Tower of God I guess whereas sao, ft, dbs and f/s n ubw do deserve the hate they get. Also KnY is over-rated(comes from a fan who initially promoted it before it blew up) |
| https://myanimelist.net/animelist/Alex_Amor My anime list! :D |
| Koisuru Asteroid: it's a simple but fun series about two high school girls who made a promise to discover an asteroid together and along the way, learn about the geosciences as well. For an innocent slice-of-life series, the amount of hate that series has gotten is mind-boggling. |
Pullman said: lmao, I was about to say almost none of them do because I almost never really hate a show and most that get a lot of vitriol don't deserve it because nothing deserves that much vitriol. But then OP mentioned Kuzu no Honkai and I was like "yeah, that's one of them that definitely would deserve it". Except I don't really see any hate for it, all I see are edgy teens calling it 'realistic' for being extremely one-sided (exclusively negative) in its depiction of people and love and recommending it to each other as one of the best romances from recent years... So I figure it deserves some more hate from me so here I go: I was not surprised to see the typical, edgy 'it's realistic because everyone behaves like an asshole and sex is the only thing they care about' argumentation in its defense. Oh, to be 15 again and actually think that's deep writing instead of embarassing writing... That's exactly why I hate it, because it caters to the edgy crowd, the same people who hate every nice and likable character because only assholes are considered 'realistic' or 'interesting' by their immature minds. I hate that whole mentality of worshipping shitty characters, bad decisions, toxic mentalities and asshole characters in general while calling every decent and likable character 'boring' just because they aren't written to be as edgy as possible, which is very dominant in the anime community. But well, if that's what you're into so be it, I won't really care as long as you just do your thing and watch what you like. I just can't stand it when they are trying to sell us their twisted values and preferences as 'just liking it because it's realistic', like they're just caring about realism, when they really just choose to only accept shitty actions and shitty characters as 'realistic'. It's their choice, their preference, it has nothing to do with actually caring about realism or not. It's not doing an 'excellent job at portraying the hardships of love' by just writing a bunch of extremely selfish, asshole characters ruining each others lives. That's just forcing it, that's just an extremely one-sided depiction of the topic of relationships and love, that lacks any balance, any reason and only creates artificial, frustrating situations one after another, pandering to the crowd who thinks that the only way to be realistic is to be as negative and toxic as possible in your writing. Just no. Fuck that show and fuck the people who worship it as 'realistic'. The characters in Kuzu No Honkai are not really ruining each other's lives or being morally bankrupt for that matter. Most of them are just confused high schoolers. The teacher is the only character who actually behaves maliciously. The other characters are just doing what they can to find happiness because they are scared of being rejected by the people they really like so having sex with other people lets them sort of feel what they really want without having to face the fear of pursuing their true love interest. There are plenty of people who do that which is why people think its realistic. |
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| Let's get something straight here, criticism != blind hatred. Every show will have a % of people calling it "trash"/"boring"/etc. because everyone enjoys different things/will bandwagon hate/like. Instead of addressing that, go find actual criticism written by people and discuss about that instead. And honestly if you look in the right place you'll find people that love show X, and if you look elsewhere you'll find people that don't. And when we take a show like Kuzu that has content not everyone is gonna enjoy/relate to, you will find diverging opinions of the show. And comes the buzzword hate. But also valid and legitimate criticism as well. |
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IndianSenpai said: Anjin series was pretty great but people hate because of CGI and of course Bleach is my favourite Shounen in anime people hate becausee of the filler episodes I mean... I read Bleach for 13 volumes while on holidays. It sucked until volume 8, then was really good, then immediately got bad again in the middle of volume 12. I can't speak for the anime but that first chunk of the Soul Society arc was the only thing I liked. It has nothing to do with filler for me. |
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| I think Sword Art Online is the best example of that. The work receives a large amount of Hate due to the various videos and topics made by YouTubers spreading misunderstandings and distorting information that the plot brings. A very common example occurs at the end of EP16 of the 1st season, in which several people popularized the scene as if Kirito had been "killed" and "revived", calling him "hack" and "deus ex-Machina." However, what happens in the scene is exactly the same as EP1, when Kirito IMAGINE himself being killed by a boar. In short, the scene shows the character imagining his death and, in response, there is the whole concept of "proto-Incarnation" (which is also very poorly understood, since several people dropped the work before watching Alicization, in which there are better explanations about Incarnation in the Full-Dive System) so that there is a delay in the system. However, what is widespread is the understanding that "he magically came back to life", and people simply accept it without even trying to understand the scene itself. Another example of injustice, in my opinion, is the way people worship Aincrad and often refer to the arc as "the part where Sword Art Online was about Sword Art Online". Of course, watching in isolation, it makes sense. However, as you watch the different SAO arcs (at least, it was like that with me), you can see that the author does not want to tell a story about the game itself. The game "Sword Art Online" is not the theme, but a background, and the different arcs are focused on impacts related to the implementation of the Full-Dive system. Fairy Dance, while also having a lot of romance involved, explores the ability to develop mind control systems using this technology. Phantom Bullet focuses on the reinsertion of victims of a disastrous experiment in society and the psychological impacts they can have, as well as on people who use the virtual world to project an ideal image of themselves, to overcome ego limitations. Mother's Rosario addresses, for example, the advances that Full-Dive can bring in the field of health and medicine. And Alicization expands this notion to the field of Militarism and to the understanding of what AI means, how they can be used and to the limit of what human means and what machine itself means. Thinking about it, if I were to describe the main theme of the anime, in my view, it would be: "How a disastrous first experience involving VR technology can impact a whole society in the most diverse spheres, military, psychological, social, economic, medical, etc." However, due to the way in which several people spread and make the anime sound like an idiot, many see it as if the other seasons were just unnecessary expansions. There are several other points on which I disagree with the negative opinion, but I have already written too much and I believe that I have already minimally justified why I think the work does not deserve such hate. |
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