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SJ7izm said: Basically, Pansy is a bitch. What? No seriously, what? |
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Atavistic said: People really aren't putting any thought into what Pansy said about Hose, are they? Nor are they putting what she's said into a meta context about harems in general, even though this show has a distinct penchant for going meta by this point. It's not just "he's too kind and I hate him", it's more nuanced than that: Pansy doesn't like Hose because he's the kind of harem protagonist who is so kind that all the girls fall for him, but also so kind that he won't ever outright reject any of them either. Pansy knows that Hose is in love with her, so from her perspective he's just stringing Cherry and Tsukimi along and hurting them in the process. We see an example of Pansy disliking this kind of thing this earlier in the show when Joro accepts all of the girls' lunches rather than only one of them. On top of this, as the target of his feelings, Pansy feels the weight of the feelings of all the other girls who like Hose and seems to feel that, because of that, she can't reasonably turn him down no matter how much she wants to do so. Of course, it's easy to say from an objective standpoint that Pansy could do just that, but for the character it isn't that simple (and how boring would Pansy's character be if absolutely nothing phased her, as some people seem to want to be the case). All of this can also be looked at from a meta perspective too: in harems, the protagonists aren't typically allowed to outright make decisions as that would either end the show (and any future opportunities for merchandising, OVAs or what have you) or piss off most of the fanbase in the process (see the reaction to the most recent Quintuplets chapters as an example of this). By using Hose as an example of the standard harem protagonist and having Pansy reject him, the show is also positioning itself as a criticism of the harem genre itself: it criticises harems as being cruel for stringing the female characters along while allowing the male characters to enjoy their affections without ever having to be hurt or commit to anything. This is also why Joro is constantly framed in a negative light when he is "honest" and expresses his own desires for a harem, I presume. It's an interesting and bold stance to take, and given the popularlity of harem anime, I'm not at all surprised to see it prove unpopular. EDIT: Part of the issue here, if we scale back down to the characters, is that this whole situation is based on emotions rather than rational or objective arguments. So, from an objective perspective, Hose isn't "wrong", per se, but his actions have caused Pansy significant pain and distress, which is why the situation is so messy. We're being asked to empathise with Pansy here, but that doesn't make her objectively right, so it's not wrong to criticse her either, strictly speaking (I know that goes against the tone of how I opened this, but oh well). That explains things really well! I was confused too, at first. xD But it's definitely a smart series. I wonder if Hose is supposed to be one of those "So nice he's intimidating" kind of characters...like one of those people whom it's impossible to say "no" to. That's probably it, right? |
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| Oh no, looks like things are taking a turn for the worse, I wonder what's next, looks as if Sun-chan is about to become a villain, scary. |
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Chiibi said: I was confused too, at first. xD But it's definitely a smart series. I wonder if Hose is supposed to be one of those "So nice he's intimidating" kind of characters...like one of those people whom it's impossible to say "no" to. That's probably it, right? I think that's more or less exactly it, actually; Hose's kindness creates an implicit pressure for everyone where, even if they have a problem with him or dislike him, they can't blame him for it. In fact, Hose is so kind that he unintentionally makes people feel guilty for having a problem with him; in Pansy's case, Hose is so kind to her through everything that she can't bring herself to hate him despite not wanting to be with him. But, because he loves her, she seems to feel an implicit pressure to be with him, partially because of that kindness but also because of the weight of all the other girls' feelings for Hose. I've also realised what "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" means in the context of this episode: Hose's kindness to the girls and refusal to outright reject them is borne out of good intentions, but all it does it cause them pain instead; by extension, Hose loving Pansy and helping her out here is based on good intentions, but as we saw all episode that just caused her distress and pain instead. |
| More problems for Joro...or is it? The dependable classmate that he called, Hose, plus Cherry and Tsukimi...what is this becoming into??? To unravel this puzzle requires some train of thought, it's easy to see how Hose's good intentions while the NTR of both Cherry and Tsumiki can deride what has been established after all this time. And learning about how Pansy has developed this wall against Hose, a friend that doesn't understand others. It's NOT WRONG per se to help, but that intention led to a belief of "good intentions gone completely wrong", so neither good nor bad will be great enough to outset Hose from his motive. Atavistic said: People really aren't putting any thought into what Pansy said about Hose, are they? Nor are they putting what she's said into a meta context about harems in general, even though this show has a distinct penchant for going meta by this point. It's not just "he's too kind and I hate him", it's more nuanced than that: Pansy doesn't like Hose because he's the kind of harem protagonist who is so kind that all the girls fall for him, but also so kind that he won't ever outright reject any of them either. Pansy knows that Hose is in love with her, so from her perspective he's just stringing Cherry and Tsukimi along and hurting them in the process. We see an example of Pansy disliking this kind of thing this earlier in the show when Joro accepts all of the girls' lunches rather than only one of them. On top of this, as the target of his feelings, Pansy feels the weight of the feelings of all the other girls who like Hose and seems to feel that, because of that, she can't reasonably turn him down no matter how much she wants to do so. Of course, it's easy to say from an objective standpoint that Pansy could do just that, but for the character it isn't that simple (and how boring would Pansy's character be if absolutely nothing phased her, as some people seem to want to be the case). All of this can also be looked at from a meta perspective too: in harems, the protagonists aren't typically allowed to outright make decisions as that would either end the show (and any future opportunities for merchandising, OVAs or what have you) or piss off most of the fanbase in the process (see the reaction to the most recent Quintuplets chapters as an example of this). By using Hose as an example of the standard harem protagonist and having Pansy reject him, the show is also positioning itself as a criticism of the harem genre itself: it criticises harems as being cruel for stringing the female characters along while allowing the male characters to enjoy their affections without ever having to be hurt or commit to anything. This is also why Joro is constantly framed in a negative light when he is "honest" and expresses his own desires for a harem, I presume. It's an interesting and bold stance to take, and given the popularlity of harem anime, I'm not at all surprised to see it prove unpopular. EDIT: Part of the issue here, if we scale back down to the characters, is that this whole situation is based on emotions rather than rational or objective arguments. So, from an objective perspective, Hose isn't "wrong", per se, but his actions have caused Pansy significant pain and distress, which is why the situation is so messy. We're being asked to empathise with Pansy here, but that doesn't make her objectively right, so it's not wrong to criticse her either, strictly speaking (I know that goes against the tone of how I opened this, but oh well). Putting this into episode context, the many meta themes sure make lots of sense. Atavistic said: I've also realised what "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" means in the context of this episode: Hose's kindness to the girls and refusal to outright reject them is borne out of good intentions, but all it does it cause them pain instead; by extension, Hose loving Pansy and helping her out here is based on good intentions, but as we saw all episode that just caused her distress and pain instead. And rounding this episode up, it's how that same "helping" notion sure fucks up the entire sequence of events, not to mention that helps (or rather, causes) disparity form within the entire cast right now. IMO helping people sure raises the effectiveness of the person having good motives, but it's up to the person to take advantage of that kindness and turn it into an entirely different thing a.k.a Hose, making it into that way where no one can criticise his actions. Quite a fast episode full of expositions and puzzles to match and complete, it's gonna be a doozy to mix-and-match all that love polygon to a resolution with the last episode next week. |
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| hmmm this episode end was something....I like the best friend best lol |
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| It’s a good episode, it was funny to watch. However, what Sumireko said about Hose seems a bunch of too stupid things even for a comedy. |
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| w0w! actually a decent episode! seeing Pansy helpless worries me as well... 5/5. |
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Evanjs said: Anybody else notice the "I don't have many friends" bit? Joro literally said "Boku wa tomodachi ga sukunai". I haven't even seen Haganai but yes, I totally caught that. xD Funny shit. |
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Piromysl said: This guy is named Yasuo. I already don't like it. Underrated comment lol |
Νεχ ποσσυμ τεχυμ ωιωερε, νεχ σινε τε. |
| I was going to make a long post to analyze this episode, but I think it can be summed up pretty efficiently by saying Pansy hates dense romcom protagonists because they don't realize the feelings of those around them. She just made her point in the most roundabout way imaginable with the "other side of people's feelings" and such. I also can't reconcile how she's upset with Hose for hurting those around him by not realizing their feelings for him, yet is fine with how Joro realizes the feelings of those around him and is stringing them along on purpose. I mean, he's outright admitted he wants to go for the harem route. |
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| Hosecchi look like have feelings to pansy xD. |
| What an episode...especially that ending. |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: DidiGetsRekt said: It's because the guy is so kind and pure that you can't do anything against him The two girls who like him can't get with him because he likes pansy but they are ready to cuck themselves and get him with her Pansy doesn't like that but what can she do? On what ground can she criticize this amazing guy? She wants to get away but can't because there's no good reason too It's just like when Joro says that everything they said was right but something felt off... Sorry if that was a little convoluted but I hope you get what I meant I mean...isn't that their problem then?: There's no actual reason why they can't say anything against the guy. It isn't his problem. As Sumireko said, he is perfect. The problem is the effect he has on others. His perfection makes those two girls following him put themselves in pain for his good (in matters of love, one should be selfish, not selfless), it makes it hard to be honest with him, and it makes some like Sumireko feel uncomfortable. Him being perfect does not mean that he has a a positive effect on everything, especially not in the world that is imperfect. So yeah, their problem. But I think it should have been clear by now that most of these kids, Sumireko included, are very flawed human beings (with Hose being the polar opposite). Sumireko is the type that prefers people like Kisaragi who are flawed and a bit assholish, bug deep inside still good people. |
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| Experiencing someone's kindness is sometimes the most painful... I agree with Sumeriko on how Hose being perfectly kind can actually hurt others around him. |
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| Come on just when it's ending, it becomes interesting. I don't think we'll get a development with Joro and Pansy's relationship. |
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| Throughout the episode I was expecting Pansy to reveal that Hose is bad guy pretending to be good but now I really don't get Pansy, so what if the other girls are in love with him, is he supposed to love them back!? What exactly does she expect him to do!? I mean she says the reason she fell in love with Joro is because how she saw him getting a ton of food for Sun-chan after he lost the game, basically because he was being considerate, the same thing Hose is doing. |
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| She hates him because he's actually a good guy? Wow! Give this worthless bitch her prize for winning the Worse Bitch of All Time contest, the beating of a lifetime! |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| Sun-chan at the end is going to do something with Pansy. "I remember that from episode 2" LMAOOOOO |
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| Stupid show. Hazuki obviously blows away shitty MC. Pansy has 0 reason to favor MC over Hazuki. Kill MC and make the show about pansy and Hazuki. Shows like this give false ideas to impressionable Japanese boys. |
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| Oh shit.... I saw it coming |
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| "I don't have any friends" Damn, no need to hurt us viewers like that. Hose really took the spotlight as 'main character' there, he indeed seems to pure of a person. The logic of Hose's haremgirls really is wrong, just because Joro 'doesn't' like Pansy doesn't mean that Pansy will switch liking the person she loves. Seeing that after credit scene, I really hope Sun-chan will do something comedical or help Joro and not do something to make him the villain again...if only bench-kun could save the day... |
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OldBastard said: Eh, I'm not sure I like how this story arc is being handled. Instead of Pansy not liking Hose being shown as an inner flaw of hers, it's being made out that she's actually in the right in her hate. Saying Hose is a bad for being too good a person that it forces others to put his happiness before their own? I mean, isn't Joro kinda doing just that with Asunaro but without the obliviousness to her feelings? Seems a bit hypocritical and silly to me. difference Joro is not pursuing any of them romantically not making things clear to avoid hurting them but this guy is willing to hurt others to get 1girl, also he doesn't take no for an answer hes stalking her to the point she feels that she has to hide her beauty Nayrael said: RealTheAbsurdist said: I mean...isn't that their problem then?: There's no actual reason why they can't say anything against the guy. It isn't his problem. As Sumireko said, he is perfect. The problem is the effect he has on others. His perfection makes those two girls following him put themselves in pain for his good (in matters of love, one should be selfish, not selfless), it makes it hard to be honest with him, and it makes some like Sumireko feel uncomfortable. Him being perfect does not mean that he has a a positive effect on everything, especially not in the world that is imperfect. So yeah, their problem. But I think it should have been clear by now that most of these kids, Sumireko included, are very flawed human beings (with Hose being the polar opposite). Sumireko is the type that prefers people like Kisaragi who are flawed and a bit assholish, bug deep inside still good people. +1 TrumpMD said: Stupid show. Hazuki obviously blows away shitty MC. Pansy has 0 reason to favor MC over Hazuki. Kill MC and make the show about pansy and Hazuki. Shows like this give false ideas to impressionable Japanese boys. Anoo-Domini said: I feel sorry for Hose he was too kind 2kind? what about her feelings? he doesn't take no for an answer hes stalking her to the point she feels that she has to hide her beauty Hose needs to take the hint and vanish no is no SJ7izm said: Basically, Pansy is a bitch. were u drunk or high when writing this? FOR DUMMIES WHO THINK HES A GOOD GUY AND SUMI A BITCH Hose, like Joro, has two distinct personalities, a Nice Guy facade and his True Self. Hose has perfected his personalities to a higher quality than Joro. Hose's Nice Guy facade is the face he puts on in public. In this form, he is technically perfect in every way, with exceptional manners and a blinding smile. His act is so convincing he has even fooled Pansy into believing he is truly a nice guy. Hose can use this Nice Guy persona to get away with virtually anything, since he always does things in a way where he cannot be framed as the bad guy. Hose's True Self is a manipulative and cunning schemer. While his Nice Guy persona acts as if his disregard for other people's feelings is accidental, the truth is that Hose simply does not care about other people. He is possessive and sees Pansy as his property. While Hose's Nice Guy facade is extremely well-polished, he is prone to letting his True Self show when he is angry. |
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Sugram22 said: OldBastard said: Eh, I'm not sure I like how this story arc is being handled. Instead of Pansy not liking Hose being shown as an inner flaw of hers, it's being made out that she's actually in the right in her hate. Saying Hose is a bad for being too good a person that it forces others to put his happiness before their own? I mean, isn't Joro kinda doing just that with Asunaro but without the obliviousness to her feelings? Seems a bit hypocritical and silly to me. difference Joro is not pursuing any of them romantically not making things clear to avoid hurting them but this guy is willing to hurt others to get 1girl, also he doesn't take no for an answer hes stalking her to the point she feels that she has to hide her beauty Nayrael said: It isn't his problem. As Sumireko said, he is perfect. The problem is the effect he has on others. His perfection makes those two girls following him put themselves in pain for his good (in matters of love, one should be selfish, not selfless), it makes it hard to be honest with him, and it makes some like Sumireko feel uncomfortable. Him being perfect does not mean that he has a a positive effect on everything, especially not in the world that is imperfect. So yeah, their problem. But I think it should have been clear by now that most of these kids, Sumireko included, are very flawed human beings (with Hose being the polar opposite). Sumireko is the type that prefers people like Kisaragi who are flawed and a bit assholish, bug deep inside still good people. +1 TrumpMD said: Stupid show. Hazuki obviously blows away shitty MC. Pansy has 0 reason to favor MC over Hazuki. Kill MC and make the show about pansy and Hazuki. Shows like this give false ideas to impressionable Japanese boys. Anoo-Domini said: I feel sorry for Hose he was too kind 2kind? what about her feelings? he doesn't take no for an answer hes stalking her to the point she feels that she has to hide her beauty Hose needs to take the hint and vanish no is no SJ7izm said: Basically, Pansy is a bitch. were u drunk or high when writing this? FOR DUMMIES WHO THINK HES A GOOD GUY AND SUMI A BITCH Hose, like Joro, has two distinct personalities, a Nice Guy facade and his True Self. Hose has perfected his personalities to a higher quality than Joro. Hose's Nice Guy facade is the face he puts on in public. In this form, he is technically perfect in every way, with exceptional manners and a blinding smile. His act is so convincing he has even fooled Pansy into believing he is truly a nice guy. Hose can use this Nice Guy persona to get away with virtually anything, since he always does things in a way where he cannot be framed as the bad guy. Hose's True Self is a manipulative and cunning schemer. While his Nice Guy persona acts as if his disregard for other people's feelings is accidental, the truth is that Hose simply does not care about other people. He is possessive and sees Pansy as his property. While Hose's Nice Guy facade is extremely well-polished, he is prone to letting his True Self show when he is angry. +1 You just said everything in my mind |
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| very boring anime, but not terrible 6/10 |
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| So finally we know why Pansy hides herself. Not only from Hose, but also not to be treated again like that. Though I'm pretty sure being beautiful has way more upsides than downsides, so doesn't make an awful lot of sense. Last scene looks like Oga is an asshole after all, well for me he never stopped being one tbh. Just seeing him and Pansy alone was weird, given how he threatened her that one time. |
| I have to say, I understand what Pansy is saying, but still feel she is overreacting a little bit. The dude is still overall a pretty nice dude and he did originally help you out. Not to mention, it seems like he wasn’t a creep or anything. Like he asked you out 1 time and then was still trying to help you afterwards. |
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| honestly they made another plot that fits in with the major story it is the final puzzle piece which ties up any lose ends but i wonder would they manage to finish such a major plot in two episode I'm guessing not |
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| The Pansy stories are the best ones. Always the most deeply-thought of and they always entail future endeavors. |
| I hope the library related problems get solved. |
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