| yes; it will be called Isekai 2 and it will be about the increasing non-native people in the isekai getting transported to another world to help reduce overpopulation |
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| You need to find out what NEET would like to fantasize more than being almighty hero in another world and getting a harem. |
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| very revolutionary indeed only its centuries old idea and has been in anime before you were even born probably |
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| I hardly even consider isekai to be a genre. It's just a fantasy trend more than anything else, and like all trends, it'll die in due time. Frankly it's just what sells in Japan right now. I'm not saying the concept of isekai as a whole will die, as the idea of being relocated from the real world into a fictitious setting stems back to works such as Alice in Wonderland, and there are stories that date even further back that use the concept of parallel universes in the same fashion. It's nothing new, nor even "revolutionary" for that matter. The big problem with isekai is that it promotes a lack of creativity, which is why the fantasy market in particular has grown increasingly stagnant lately. Writers are just copy-pasting from one another, using the same narrative methods, but with their own little "twists" on it. The stories are really all the same at their core. So the real question is when we're going to have a new trend with the same impact that isekai has had in recent years. And regardless of what that trend is, there's bound to be a ton of haters, because having a single concept monopolize a market will inevitably lead to the same kind of backlash. |
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| I won't call it revolutionary, but of course trend will change ... Before isekai, there was the booming of idol animes for example ... |
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| How about ... the traditional fantasy setting that's not actually base on another pitiful JRPG? |
| Mecha was far more revolutionary based on what I have heard Someone please do correct me if I am wrong; I'm not too knowledgeable on the history of anime |
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pocariswonk said: Yes, there will be another fad genre. Fad genres come and go all the time.Will there ever be another revolutionary genre like isekai? it was kinda cool while it lasted but now i just hope it dies and in its place, something better appears. just kind of seems the manga/lightnovel industry is stagnant in that sense. |
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| Idk, if you think isekai is revolutionary then every genre should seem revolutionary to you. Try watching some comedy or mecha. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| If you only eat pizza and then complain that the food industry is stagnant then you should consider eating something else. |
Kerylon said: Mecha was far more revolutionary based on what I have heard Someone please do correct me if I am wrong; I'm not too knowledgeable on the history of anime Yes, It started with Mazinger Z by Go Nagai with the Super Robot Genre, then came Real robot. Nowadays we have animes that uses elements MechaCode Geass, Fafner) or Sunrise who is still milking gundam. But I think Isekai has not reached the full potential It has. Like how Super Robot transformed into Real Robot and reached the top in terms of plot, characters and animation during the 80's. |
| Uhm, I think it's not really worthy to name a trend "revolutionary" when it's just a different and popular take on an old narrative trope. Other than that, yeah other trends will rise. But they are not going to rise all of a sudden or the following day. They take their time to permeate. |
| Genres come and go throughout the years, surely another will take Isekai's place in time. |
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| anybody else remember when people never shut up about how over-saturated magic/sci-fi high schools were to the point where the two were often conflated with one another and stuff like RokuAka and Asterisk Wars would get treated as one on the same coin, and how high-tier, elite intellectual anitubers could make videos establishing their wonderous stance of "I think Maburaho was bad, and I think Mahouka is bad, so everything in between it must be bad and they're all ripping off Harry Potter," only for it to get lauded in the comments by a bunch of people who are railing against a trend in the most superficial and vapid ways possible that would allow them to actually bite on and accept an argument that completely lacking in nuance because it fits the narrative they wanted to be fulfilled? i miss that revolutionary genre, whatever happened to it |
ManabanJun 11, 2019 7:11 AM
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| lol the whole isekai thing started with SAO as far as I remember, the idea is to enter a foreign world and get pretty OP power and catch all the girls, so basically the mmo element mixed with the harem element, and you'd get your generic isekai series. |
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| Isekai isn't revolutionary, it's just a shitty trend that is responsible for many, many mediocre stories and a few good ones. Kind of like magical high schools and all the other trends that came before Isekai and the others that will come after. |
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ToG25thBaam said: lol the whole isekai thing started with SAO as far as I remember, the idea is to enter a foreign world and get pretty OP power and catch all the girls, so basically the mmo element mixed with the harem element, and you'd get your generic isekai series. nobody gives ZnT the credit it deserves isekai harem&ecchi LN years before isekai LNs were the thing people randomly decided to throw a fit about the state of the anime industry in due to it being a thing that exists it was the OG |
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| Isekai is not revolutionary, it is not original or anything, been done many times before. |
Manaban said: oh yea Zero no Tsukaima was a thing lol, there's also Kyou kara Maou, but I think SAO is where isekai genre took off. Everyone's so enamored with the idea of living a life like a mmo by then.. SAO got people trying to invent "nerve gear" iirc.nobody gives ZnT the credit it deserves isekai harem&ecchi LN years before isekai LNs were the thing people randomly decided to throw a fit about the state of the anime industry in due to it being a thing that exists |
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ToG25thBaam said: Manaban said: oh yea Zero no Tsukaima was a thing lol, there's also Kyou kara Maou, but I think SAO is where isekai genre took off. Everyone's so enamored with the idea of living a life like a mmo by then.. SAO got people trying to invent "nerve gear" iirc.nobody gives ZnT the credit it deserves isekai harem&ecchi LN years before isekai LNs were the thing people randomly decided to throw a fit about the state of the anime industry in due to it being a thing that exists people disgust me we should have a decade and half's worth of isekai trend starting with the glory that is ZnT, but instead we got a year and a half or so where this was relevantly discussed as this all-consuming void because a saturated season has like 4 of them out of a total of around 60 and magic schools aren't around and we can't point the finger at the constant overwhelming prevalance of CGDCT and SoL because it's *too* prominent and established so we'll take the conservative route in randomly hating what we perceive to be popular and homogenizing it to the point where literally everything can be the same because of how loose the parameters we're operating off of are, and the blame is pinned on a popular show from 7 years ago and with a source material that's even older s m h |
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| But @Manaban, a lot of people complain about CGDCT. Well, they did, but complaints stop being trendy after a while as well. |
Manaban said: yeah but who's hating lol, the fact that it's popular should mean that the masses love them. I myself like isekai a lot, that's all the manga i've been reading over the past 2~3 months.people disgust me we should have a decade and half's worth of isekai trend starting with the glory that is ZnT, but instead we got a year and a half or so where this was relevantly discussed as this all-consuming void because a saturated season has like 4 of them out of a total of around 60 and magic schools aren't around and we can't point the finger at the constant overwhelming prevalance of CGDCT and SoL because it's *too* prominent and established so we'll take the conservative route in randomly hating what we perceive to be popular and homogenizing it to the point where literally everything can be the same because of how loose the parameters we're operating off of are, and the blame is pinned on a popular show from 7 years ago and with a source material that's even older s m h |
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 like, yeah, sure, something else will inevitably rise and take its place - i'm convinced that it's just circular bullshit at the end of the day, and moreover, i'm not at all convinced that a lot of it amounts to more than just posturing about being anti-whatever is thought to be the big the trend at the time, especially given the common sentiments expressed in regards to stuff like this and what they ultimately tend to entail i specifically hate this circle and am going to bitch and moan about it not being bitched and moaned about enough, so meh, better that than just accepting wanton stupidity, even if it'll just be a failed venture at the end of the day ToG25thBaam said: but who's hating lol i mean, i'm hating the amount of topics and general discourse on this genre immensely fwiw, so i am strongly hating on...something it be what it be, deaf, blind, dumb and born to follow, bandwagon praise and bandwagon criticism leads to equally vapid and thoughtless sentiments becoming accepted as more meaningful than they'd ever be capable of upholding it becomes hard to see shit like this as more rooted in the desire to appear distinct by railing against a trend whenever the issue seems to largely boil down to "it's isekai and we're getting like, one or two a season, next season we're getting FOUR" or whatever that one thread on this board that people just bobble-head nodded in agreement with was a while back, it's not like we're being surrounded by thoughtful or nuanced expressions 99% of the time when it comes to these godforesaken isekai topics i remember me and some friends did the fucking math of isekai released relative to the amount of anime produced since SAO's season a while back, publicized it in a relevant discussion, and it was a percent of a fucking percent, but the holistic picture as well as the isekai trend's prominence within the broader anime industry is meaningless in the face of relentless ear-plugging to maintain this narrative of over-prominence that leads to shitpost threads like this one, so obviously it was completely ignored to point out WHOA THE AMOUNT OF ISEKAI RELEASED PRE-SAO AND POST-SAO ALMOST DOUBLED SINCE SAO CAME OUT, completely and conveniently ignoring the actual numbers of isekai produced relative to the amount of anime produced in total, to just isolate that specific part that they could try to make a narrative out of, this entire consensus becoming prominent and accepted completely fucking disgusts me just on the principle of how it's maintained shit like that man, it seems to be the name of the game for any (x) type of anime is over-saturated discussion obscurantism is good apparently, it seems to be the entire foundation of the over-saturation of isekai narrative in the first place at least, as it was with magic schools, as it was with harem&ecchi, so it is, so it's always been can't even arse myself to write properly at this point ffs, this community does not deserve the added accessibility of decent grammar, absolutely disgusting tbh |
ManabanJun 11, 2019 10:48 AM
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| i dont even buy the notion the isekai is revolutionary. its largely just basic fantasy that uses a trope thats long existed to make the main character easier for the common man to identify with. Even inuyasha is an isekai ffs. -basic fantasy lately has evolved from being just LOTR to also including a lot of video gamey stuff reminiscent of final fantasy- |
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| It's a trend, not revolutionary. Just like the magic school trend that came before it. |
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| and you can't fault them for thinking that way. 99% of the manga being recommended on mangakakalot have isekai trope. It's undeniable that the genre is trending right now, for better or worse. It might not have a large percentile of isekai being pushed out every season, but I am pretty sure it's still higher than pre-SAO release. Also, MAL is not a place for discussion, most people only leave a one-liner in episode discussion and whatnot. There's also a ton of shitposting and trolling. It's like that in most forums in this meme era. People don't care about the opinion of others. If you're that keen on having meaningful, high quality conversation, you just got to find your own place. For example, I go to reddit / OroJackson for One Piece discussions. As the community grows, there's gonna be more low quality post that's out there.. That's just how it is. Every forum that I've been a part of is the same. :shrug: anyway, we're getting off topic. |
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ToG25thBaam said: and you can't fault them for thinking that way i can and that's precisely what i'm doing ToG25thBaam said: 99% of the manga being recommended on mangakakalot have isekai trope. and 0% of my MAL recommendations currently have the trope, i fail to see the relevance of one site's recommendation has on the bearing of the actual prominence of isekai works relative to other types of works released per season ToG25thBaam said: It's undeniable that the genre is trending right now, for better or worse. It might not have a large percentile of isekai being pushed out every season, but I am pretty sure it's still higher than pre-SAO release. that's the thing i'm not denying it isn't trending, nor am i denying that it got more prominent in the past few years, if anything that's *almost* irrelevant to what i'm bitching about i am denying ascriptions of overwhelming prominence or over-saturation, because that is completely and functionally incorrect and reliant on over-exacerbated community exposure rather than something it'd be capable of maintaining on a level that isn't so superficial it's purely reactionary and steeped in hyperbole, but more importantly, it's stupid ToG25thBaam said: anyway, we're getting off topic. i'll care about being on-topic whenever threads about battle shounen ships that devolved into the age old question of "what constitutes a pizza?" are cleaned and moderated i am not sure i ever want that to be fixed tbf, that was the best derail i'd ever seen and i encourage more derails of that nature |
ManabanJun 12, 2019 6:35 AM
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| Still waiting for the battle lesbian (ala Cross Ange, Valkyrie Drive) boom. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: Still waiting for the battle lesbian (ala Cross Ange, Valkyrie Drive) boom. they're all the same otaku pandering wank bait for neet basement dwellers blah blah blah |
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Manaban said: FMmatron said: Still waiting for the battle lesbian (ala Cross Ange, Valkyrie Drive) boom. they're all the same otaku pandering wank bait for neet basement dwellers blah blah blah I take pride in my liking for this "subgenre" and all the negative terms applied to it. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: Manaban said: they're all the same otaku pandering wank bait for neet basement dwellers blah blah blah I take pride in my liking for this "subgenre" and all the negative terms applied to it. i don't i will not rest until i have driven the rest of the anime fandom before me and heard the lamentations of their women |
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Manaban said: FMmatron said: I take pride in my liking for this "subgenre" and all the negative terms applied to it. i don't i will not rest until i have driven the rest of the anime fandom before me and heard the lamentations of their women Good luck on achieving that aim, even tho it's futile:/ |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: Still waiting for the battle lesbian (ala Cross Ange, Valkyrie Drive) boom. That already happened and the golden era now ended with Senran Kagura when Sony murdered it. In any case, any anime trend will only be a reflection of what is going on with vidya/mobage and manga/LN. Those will set the trends, anime will follow behind. The only thing that is certain is that there will be waifus. |
Manaban said: anybody else remember when people never shut up about how over-saturated magic/sci-fi high schools were to the point where the two were often conflated with one another and stuff like RokuAka and Asterisk Wars would get treated as one on the same coin[...] Forgive my ignorance, as I took a long break from anime a few yrs back, but what anime popularized (or perhaps "popularized") the trend of magic/sci-fi high schools? How long did this trend last for? |
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Manaban said: they're trending, hence being worked on more, hence getting recommended more often as more people are reading them, hence having more exposure to the public over other works, hence feeling like there's an isekai oversaturation of animanga. Whether or not it is factually correct does not matter in this case. And also, if you hate something you're gonna feel like there's more of it coming out than it actually is, because it's getting the exposure and being one of the highlights of the season. I guess I agree with you here, somewhat..and 0% of my MAL recommendations currently have the trope, i fail to see the relevance of one site's recommendation has on the bearing of the actual prominence of isekai works relative to other types of works released per season And I wouldn't say that MAL recommendation is a correct representation of it, I am sure MAL recommends anime based on your list, while manga sites recommend manga based on its popularity. |
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mecharobot said: FMmatron said: Still waiting for the battle lesbian (ala Cross Ange, Valkyrie Drive) boom. That already happened and the golden era now ended with Senran Kagura when Sony murdered it. In any case, any anime trend will only be a reflection of what is going on with vidya/mobage and manga/LN. Those will set the trends, anime will follow behind. The only thing that is certain is that there will be waifus. Good to know *adds Senran Kagura to PTW* |
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HopefulNihilist said: I'm hoping that the historical genre will evolve to create more interesting titles. I'm still waiting for an anime about a black slave during the Civil War, signing up to fight for the Union. The historical genre is seriously underused in anime. While I would agree I would rather see more historical eras that often don't get explored unlike say American history which I have already seen done heavily in other media. Main reason I found Kingdom such an enjoyable read was that Chinese history often doesn't get covered over here that much in great detail. Same reason I plan on reading A Bride's Story pretty soon as history in Central Asia especially in the period we are talking about never really gets covered (would be cool to see that get an anime) Granted there are even time periods in Western history like Late Antiquity that are very underutilized. I wouldn't mind seeing more historical anime period though no matter what it was covering though. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 12, 2019 8:51 AM
| If anything we need more isekai series like Digimon. Exploring the world's lore, how it functions, the inhabitants from certain world (I mean more just humanoid races like Elf and such). Then maybe it will revolutionized. Otherwise it's just trendy. Could speak more into it, but I would be parroting other people. |
| The time is right for a Reverse-Isekai anime. A mighty hero is pulled out of his fantasy world and is transported to modern-day Japan, where his brilliant physique and dashing good looks and altruistic personality makes him immediately attractive to Japanese women, and all the warty, toady incels of Japan band together to try to take him down. It is a comedy series, and all the "nice guys" who oppose the hero get hilarious comeuppance. |
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| Revolutionary? Anyway, of course the isekai trend will run its course and pass, and then mecha will rise to it's former glory once again! Mwahaha... well, a man can dream. |
on foxsuprise said: Manaban said: anybody else remember when people never shut up about how over-saturated magic/sci-fi high schools were to the point where the two were often conflated with one another and stuff like RokuAka and Asterisk Wars would get treated as one on the same coin[...] Forgive my ignorance, as I took a long break from anime a few yrs back, but what anime popularized (or perhaps "popularized") the trend of magic/sci-fi high schools? How long did this trend last for? egh, that i don't have a specific answer to, it feels like it was a long-build-up moreso than an explosion, like they steadily grew more and more popular over the years instead of a sudden burst brought on by one series like could be argued with isekai I *might* point to ZnT, it's also an isekai but primarily it was always a magic school, then there was Maburaho in '03 that kind of started the magic high school LN trend i feel like but was far, *far* from explosively popular, then there's stuff like Mahouka that kind of synergized magic and technology, then later on more technology-oriented series became more prominent, which led to stuff like Asterisk Wars or Rakudai or Absolute Duo, but there's still stuff like RokuAka or Trinity Seven that's more rooted in a traditional magical/sorcery high school setting, et cetera I think one of the key differences between Magic High Schools and Isekai is that Magic High Schools were much more rooted in harem&ecchi's niche specifically - there are series like mahouka that fall outside of those genres, but at the same time every other series i listed above falls within it - whereas Isekai *is* more popular beyond a niche audience, it distanced itself more and that reflects itself in how the amount of isekai that don't have the harem or ecchi tag is much greater than the amount of magic high schools, so magic schools were more cultivated among a specific demographic over time i guess and therefore lacked the same staying power that isekai would have, which makes sense because bitching about this trend has already gone on for a longer period of time than magic schools did, even if it's still completely fucking late to the party it certainly didn't stop people from bitching about their prominence incessantly a couple of years back, when i was first becoming more active in this community up until like, mid-2017 these threads about magic schools felt like they were just as prominent as isekai threads are now and i'd bitch in those kind of like i'm doing here, and it doesn't feel like that long ago where YTers like Digi and Mother's Basement were making videos in the same vein they make isekai ones today about magic high school series, but meh Zelkiiro said: The time is right for a Reverse-Isekai anime. it lacks the whole incel stuff you devolved into talking about later, but uh, y'know, a comedy reverse isekai about an OP fantasy character going to modern day japan exists already and it's probably more popular and known than the majority of isekai works in general https://myanimelist.net/anime/15809/Hataraku_Maou-sama |
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