| I think you should finish the arc before making this post. The drama felt on-point without seeming forced to me. Hina lost a best friend and the rage as well as hopelessness built up inside her... Her teacher was worthless and treated her like an instigator rather than a victim. I'll just say that Hina's tears manifested because of an accumulation of things and not simply because she was being ignored by her friends. Although the bullies did more than just make her a social outcast as can be seen at the start of the arc when she first walked in on Rei and Akari. |
KilluanApr 4, 2018 3:25 PM
| Have you ever been bullied or tormented? Because that's exactly how it feels. |
TheAskald said: I really loved the 1st Season, and was really hyped for the second. And boy I'm not dissapointed. But one thing really bugs me. I like the Hina arc but the drama is cranked too high for the given situation. Yes, being ignored by friends really sucks and is hard to deal with. She also has to deal with this injustice feeling and the fact that her teacher doesn't provide any help while she should. Yes, Hina is someone who expresses a lot of emotions. Yes, she's "only" 14-15 y old. But I don't know, she acts like if she's been sexually harrased or if Akari died, there's just an awkward gap between the situation and her behavior. Just put some scenes in the reality, who would cry that loud, so many times, for so long, for that? It just breaks the immersion and kill the scenes for me :( I'm ok with most of the crying scenes, but the one at the end of episode 9 and the one in episode 4 while Rei talks about ladybugs to Hina felt REALLY out of place and cringy. They would have been so much better if Hina just hugged Rei with shedding one or two tears. What do you think? EDIT: I'm only at episode 9, so no spoiler please Better watch the whole thing before commenting, I guess. A friend - one of her longest friendships - had to go away because of bullying, and when she tried to stood up for that, she herself became victim of bullying. She tries to fight against it, but her colleagues are scared, her teacher is scared, everyone is terrified of the situation. She feels hopeless and completely lost, she has no idea what to do and people around her seem to not know as well. I think her reaction is damn accurate. I was even scared she might've thought about commiting suicide. Were you ever bullied? Because if you have, I think it's easier to understand the way she feels... And it's not exaggerated in anyway, it's exactly on point. |
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| I was a victim of a bully when I was in junior high school just like Hina. And it's depressing, Hina's reaction is normal and humanly. |
| You clearly never been bullied before right..? Hina's reaction was the most real and human reaction as the bullying victim i've ever seen in any form of media. Becase that's EXACTLY what it feels to be bullied. I still remember my past when i was in middle school. I've targeted as the bullying victim along with my twin brother and it's not rare i've come home crying. The bullying is just getting worst when our class were separated when we are in the 3rd grade, especially for my brother. I'm lucky to have not so aggresive classmate but it's hell for my brother, he got with the nastiest kids in the school, the kid of the school's head commite, he keep being bullied even at the point they make a website dedicated to bully him, IT WAS HELL, but when he stood up and punch those bastards in the face, he got punished by the teacher because he punch that bastard just because that bastard is the school's head commite's kids. I was enraged, angry, mad, but has no power since the school teachers got on that bastard's side. We just keep quiet until we're graduating from that school and we never go to that school again, even it was the school reunion. It was 7 years ago but it still has scars deep inside me, especially for my brother. That's why hina is my favorite female anime character, she just resonate with me so hard when she was bullied, i never stop getting angry and cry along side her. It was THAT painful. |
| It's not that the drama was cranked to 11, it was that the visual storytelling implemented by Studio Shaft was so clear in conveying the raw unfiltered emotion that it feels so intense. I was bullied in junior high school too and from my personal experiences, like a lot of people who posted on this forum and are a fan of this series, I can personally say that the unfiltered presentation is EXACTLY what being bullied at that age feels like. But like everyone else said too, finish the goddamn anime or at least the goddamn arc if you're gonna comment on being disappointed or not. |
| I think the setup (ep 4) and closure (ep 12) were the ones tougher to stomach because first you need to establish why anyone would bully Hina in the first place, and then the whole teacher succumbing could've been depicted differently, instead of using the black mist (then again that's in the manga, but animated it intensified even further). But that's the setup (her friend) and closure (teacher), everything in-between that it came to her character and Rei's willingness to help was really great. As shown in ep 5, end of ep 6 (she doesnt delete the blackboard with the insults, she's not as sad as she is angry and willing to fight against it) and end of ep 9 where she acknowledges she did the right thing. So yeah it's a pity you found her part cringy, since it nails the anger that bullying truly generates in the victim. I was tired of seeing it depicted in other shows as if the victim is completely defenseless, or in only focussing in the bullying acts by themselves as opposed to the attempts to stop it for good. |
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| Yeah i think you're right!! Too much drama made the character a little annoying even if she s my 4th best character in the series :D .... RoryBurrows said: Have you ever been bullied or tormented? Because that's exactly how it feels. hum, i ve been bullied all my life cuz i was a "loner" and became a shut in for a while because of it but that doesnt explain the overpoweredcrydrama |
Zuerchtein-MarioApr 5, 2018 11:44 AM
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Zuerchtein-Mario said: Yeah i think you're right!! Too much drama made the character a little annoying even if she s my 4th best character in the series :D .... RoryBurrows said: Have you ever been bullied or tormented? Because that's exactly how it feels. hum, i ve been bullied all my life cuz i was a "loner" and became a shut in because of it but that doesnt explain the overpoweredcrydrama Being a "loner" and a "shut-in" is a different type of experience than Hina's. I was in Hina's position before, trying to make friends or stand up for one of your best friends when there's an oppressing hierarchy in the class. Trying to fight back but everyone turns against you, and you have the seething urge to get revenge on those people when they cross personal boundaries. Shutting yourself in because you're a loner requires you to not have anything you want to protect and just isolating yourself, like Rei's stepbrother for example- and I am not saying that that type of experience is wrong, but it is unfair to evaluate another type of experience (Hina's) based on your own when they are essentially two different things. Thankfully, I didn't have to experience it to the same degree that Hina did, but it's all a matter of circumstance in that case. Most of my teachers except for one or two were good people and a lot of the bad kids got suspended when they acted up, unlike how things are in Japan where no one acts up in front of the teachers and the teachers sweep things under the rug for sake of image. Still, the same anger, fear, and revenge that Hina felt during the series were genuine and unfiltered, which was an excellent display of visual and auditory storytelling by Studio Shaft and the fantastically descriptive writing by Umino Chika. I'm surprised this is much of a shocker to people in the second season, I mean, throughout the entire first season, the anime did the same thing but with Rei's depression, and since everything is narrated by him (and for the few times it shifts to Hina), it makes sense that they would see the situation in an over the top way. Either Hina's intense emotion takes over, or Rei's panic and empathy from his past (which led him to be depressed) makes him see it in that way. It isn't "overpoweredcrydrama", it is a real look at how people deal with these issues from the perspective of people who are feeling the consequences of it. |
Draconix814 said: Zuerchtein-Mario said: Yeah i think you're right!! Too much drama made the character a little annoying even if she s my 4th best character in the series :D .... hum, i ve been bullied all my life cuz i was a "loner" and became a shut in because of it but that doesnt explain the overpoweredcrydrama Being a "loner" and a "shut-in" is a different type of experience than Hina's. I was in Hina's position before, trying to make friends or stand up for one of your best friends when there's an oppressing hierarchy in the class. Trying to fight back but everyone turns against you, and you have the seething urge to get revenge on those people when they cross personal boundaries. Shutting yourself in because you're a loner requires you to not have anything you want to protect and just isolating yourself, like Rei's stepbrother for example- and I am not saying that that type of experience is wrong, but it is unfair to evaluate another type of experience (Hina's) based on your own when they are essentially two different things. Thankfully, I didn't have to experience it to the same degree that Hina did, but it's all a matter of circumstance in that case. Most of my teachers except for one or two were good people and a lot of the bad kids got suspended when they acted up, unlike how things are in Japan where no one acts up in front of the teachers and the teachers sweep things under the rug for sake of image. Still, the same anger, fear, and revenge that Hina felt during the series were genuine and unfiltered, which was an excellent display of visual and auditory storytelling by Studio Shaft and the fantastically descriptive writing by Umino Chika. I'm surprised this is much of a shocker to people in the second season, I mean, throughout the entire first season, the anime did the same thing but with Rei's depression, and since everything is narrated by him (and for the few times it shifts to Hina), it makes sense that they would see the situation in an over the top way. Either Hina's intense emotion takes over, or Rei's panic and empathy from his past (which led him to be depressed) makes him see it in that way. It isn't "overpoweredcrydrama", it is a real look at how people deal with these issues from the perspective of people who are feeling the consequences of it. Yes,you re a hero we get it xd :D ..... You made my comment seem like i was the one who bullied you :p ... man it's just a show don't copy other people's toughts and feelings and make it your own |
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Zuerchtein-Mario said: Draconix814 said: Being a "loner" and a "shut-in" is a different type of experience than Hina's. I was in Hina's position before, trying to make friends or stand up for one of your best friends when there's an oppressing hierarchy in the class. Trying to fight back but everyone turns against you, and you have the seething urge to get revenge on those people when they cross personal boundaries. Shutting yourself in because you're a loner requires you to not have anything you want to protect and just isolating yourself, like Rei's stepbrother for example- and I am not saying that that type of experience is wrong, but it is unfair to evaluate another type of experience (Hina's) based on your own when they are essentially two different things. Thankfully, I didn't have to experience it to the same degree that Hina did, but it's all a matter of circumstance in that case. Most of my teachers except for one or two were good people and a lot of the bad kids got suspended when they acted up, unlike how things are in Japan where no one acts up in front of the teachers and the teachers sweep things under the rug for sake of image. Still, the same anger, fear, and revenge that Hina felt during the series were genuine and unfiltered, which was an excellent display of visual and auditory storytelling by Studio Shaft and the fantastically descriptive writing by Umino Chika. I'm surprised this is much of a shocker to people in the second season, I mean, throughout the entire first season, the anime did the same thing but with Rei's depression, and since everything is narrated by him (and for the few times it shifts to Hina), it makes sense that they would see the situation in an over the top way. Either Hina's intense emotion takes over, or Rei's panic and empathy from his past (which led him to be depressed) makes him see it in that way. It isn't "overpoweredcrydrama", it is a real look at how people deal with these issues from the perspective of people who are feeling the consequences of it. Yes,you re a hero we get it xd :D ..... You made my comment seem like i was the one who bullied you :p ... man it's just a show don't copy other people's toughts and feelings and make it your own I am no hero, but I was stating my own opinions. Did you even read it? I said nothing to imply anything of the sort. Oh well, OP got the answer to his question so there's no point in continuing like this anymore. |
| What I like most about this anime is its constant tone shifting. Even you had a full-blown drama, depressing episode, it's always the following of the happiness and heart-warming. For example in ep 4, even there is a lot of sadness and Hina crying a lot, the final scene is one of the most heart-warming scenes in anime. Is it "force drama" or "overdramatic", who knows? But at least, it's not the type of anime that keep pumping tragedy and begging for your tears. The main point of this anime that is the duality of life and the balance between the sadness and happiness and it did extremely well in this aspect. |
SUBA1995Apr 5, 2018 12:15 PM
| I don't like the arc but never thought it's overdone as in 'overdramatic'. It's about adequately dramatic, mood swings mostly handled well. I did think it was overdone as in 'too long' |
| As others have said, nah this doesnt even compare to how it actually is, especially that shit with the teachers looking the other way to outright blaming you. I still remember getting suspended after a bunch of kids jumped me because "i had to of done something to provoke it" |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
TheAskald said: But I don't know, she acts like if she's been sexually harrased or if Akari died, there's just an awkward gap between the situation and her behavior. Just put some scenes in the reality, who would cry that loud, so many times, for so long, for that? It just breaks the immersion and kill the scenes for me :( You do realize people in real life commit suicide for being bullies all the time right? Smell like a case of apathy here. |
| I honestly feel the same way for that specific arc. The drama feels too heavy that shouldn't be the case; not saying that it should be light but I prefer if it was in moderation although I still did get a bit of insight from it which is nice. Although that's probably my most disliked arc on the whole series despite still loving the rest of it. Yeah bullying is a serious case but I don't know, the drama revolving around it didn't really rub me in the right way but at least the insight got through me. Most of it was pretty much true with teachers ignoring the fact etc. but it really wasn't as impactful as I hoped it to be. |
| I think the tone was realistic enough, in fact, pretty realistic. I'm not sure about other parts of the world, but in Japan, bullying in schools are quite serious. The adaptation and I presume the manga(have not read it yet), accurately portrayed it. I cannot personally attest to it as I have never been bullied before, but understanding the situation over here from talks with friends who are teachers in middle and high school, I think the author of the series did well enough to not over-portray it. Some people may feel otherwise, but do take note that middle and high schools in Japan are quite different from most parts. There is a reason why schools itself treats bullying case very seriously, far more serious than at least for my home country. |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| Same. 9 episodes in and it's so whiny and emo and melodramatic it's rapidly hit Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. I'm just waiting for this to get interesting again. |
Zuerchtein-Mario said: Yeah i think you're right!! Too much drama made the character a little annoying even if she s my 4th best character in the series :D .... RoryBurrows said: Have you ever been bullied or tormented? Because that's exactly how it feels. hum, i ve been bullied all my life cuz i was a "loner" and became a shut in for a while because of it but that doesnt explain the overpoweredcrydrama I think it's a normal reaction of Hina. Because we all have different personalities. Some humans are fragile. |
RoryBurrows said: Have you ever been bullied or tormented? Because that's exactly how it feels. Exactly, for me it's normal her reaction |
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Estella_Ultear said: TheAskald said: I really loved the 1st Season, and was really hyped for the second. And boy I'm not dissapointed. But one thing really bugs me. I like the Hina arc but the drama is cranked too high for the given situation. Yes, being ignored by friends really sucks and is hard to deal with. She also has to deal with this injustice feeling and the fact that her teacher doesn't provide any help while she should. Yes, Hina is someone who expresses a lot of emotions. Yes, she's "only" 14-15 y old. But I don't know, she acts like if she's been sexually harrased or if Akari died, there's just an awkward gap between the situation and her behavior. Just put some scenes in the reality, who would cry that loud, so many times, for so long, for that? It just breaks the immersion and kill the scenes for me :( I'm ok with most of the crying scenes, but the one at the end of episode 9 and the one in episode 4 while Rei talks about ladybugs to Hina felt REALLY out of place and cringy. They would have been so much better if Hina just hugged Rei with shedding one or two tears. What do you think? EDIT: I'm only at episode 9, so no spoiler please Exactly, she is making a mountain out of a molehill, how bad can bullying truly be anyway if you just ignored them. I feel like it was drama for the sake of drama and some scenes were truly cringe-worthy. It's amazing how wrong you are. |
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| I used to think that the awful parents and kids getting bullied for "no reason" was ridiculous, since I grew up in a private school. Now that I'm a teacher in a public school and I've witnessed some of the fuckery, girls bullying boys just for the hell of it, students feeling socially isolated in a full class of kids. Parents that are on the offensive and defensive and will make assume you're making accusations about their brilliant (average) child. I've seen it all firsthand and I'm not even a year in. So, Hina's drama actually resonated with me pretty well. It's dramatized in a way that's well built-up without having too many moments that try to get your tears. |
TheAskald said: Vladz0r said: So, Hina's drama actually resonated with me pretty well. It's dramatized in a way that's well built-up without having too many moments that try to get your tears. And that's where I beg to differ. The episode 4 was a pain in the ass to watch because they tried way too hard to make you cry, like their entire family just died in an airplane crash or something. Bullying is a HUGE deal, but it's not entire-family-just-died-in-an-airplane-crash deal. Sangatsu is a fantastic anime, and while people usually think the bullying arc was the best so far, I think it was the most imperfect one (but had great moments), because I felt it was the first time it tried a little bit too hard here and here. For me I didn't really see it as "trying to make you cry" but more as hyperdramatizing the situation. I agree that the atmosphere gets cranked up to 11 in a few episodes in S2. I can see how it can be difficult for some people to get into the atmosphere because it is so intense. If the atmosphere change feels too sudden, it's easy to go "Hmm, I see what this anime's trying to do to me." I watched most of the series over the span of a few days and watched it in front of my TV, in Japanese without the subs, so I was pretty into the whole thing. Rewatching some of the scenes now, though, they individual scenes do feel kind of corny and over the top if you don't rewatch a whole episode and ride the atmosphere. They built up the events well though, from previous episodes in the 1st season where they talk about Hina and her classmate's bullying, and the whole idea of being unable to do anything about it, what Rei experienced, is what Akari experiences in the bullying arc. Even as her sisters' caretaker she can't help her with her school drama. She's gotta put on her serious face and clothes to represent Hina, but she's not able to go to toe to toe with an asshole parent. It's a really stereotypical bullying scenario, but I think the atmosphere is what made it cool, despite not being deep or interesting. The scene where Rei lends his hand out to Hina and tells her she's his lifesaver, though, I thought was pretty well built up to. Someone mentioned earlier that there are a lot of scenes they had to adapt in episode 26 (S2 ep4) and that it was tough to execute effectively. (When you look back, that episode actually has a shit ton of scenes). |
| Hina is just a depressed crybaby who needs therapy. I don't get why she would be crying in every scene of episode 4 and why the teachers don't do anything about the bullying. Why no one took her out of that school is beyond me. It just seemed like they were trying to rehash something similar to Rei's story in season one with Hina in season two. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
PapaShango said: pinkarray said: Hina is just a depressed crybaby who needs therapy. I don't get why she would be crying in every scene of episode 4 and why the teachers don't do anything about the bullying. Why no one took her out of that school is beyond me. It just seemed like they were trying to rehash something similar to Rei's story in season one with Hina in season two. "why the teachers don't do anything about the bullying." How would you know it when you didn't even finish the whole arc and about whether someone actually does something about the bullying?And didn't you say the exact same thing by making an entire new thread?It looks ridiculous when u say the same thing in an old thread after making a unneeded thread about the same.Writing a review makes more sense.Even if I don't like Grand Blue,for example,I didn't make a whole thread just to complaint about it.It's just ridiculous. I did do research on how the arc ended but I still wished that the teachers could've done something about the bullying much earlier or took Hina out of school so that this whole arc wouldn't have lasted 13 episodes. Bullying is a serious problem and I was disappointed the teachers didn't believe Hina the moment when she told them about what was going on. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
PapaShango said: pinkarray said: I did do research on how the arc ended but I still wished that the teachers could've done something about the bullying much earlier or took Hina out of school so that this whole arc wouldn't have lasted 13 episodes. Bullying is a serious problem and I was disappointed the teachers didn't believe Hina the moment when she told them about what was going on. You have done pretty bad research then.It was clearly shown as to why the initial homeroom teacher wasn't able to help and how well the new homeroom teacher handled the situation.And if you think changing school was an option then there was no point of Hina's characterisation at all.Bullying wasn't only for the show,it was explored as well.Just changing school is not a solution to stop the bullying in the same school.The person who did the bullying was also characterised pretty well and learned the lesson.You need to watch the show my friend instead of making complaints about just one scene. But what's the point of changing a light-hearted family's atmosphere and then turning it into such a dark, sad atmosphere? I don't hate dark things but that tone change threw me off and it was a good contrast to Rei's depressive life. So, I don't see what's the point in making Hina such a depressed, serious character akin to Rei not to mention making her cry more often than Rei does. Now, I guess the reason for this is that Hina is a lot more open than Rei is while the latter is a bit more reserved But it's beyond me why the original teacher had no sense and just ignored the situation and nobody removed her from the school even if I don't know the reason. If I was that teacher and somebody told me about bullying, I would do whatever I can to fix it. I don't know if there was a consideration for Hina to be removed from school or how fast they switched that original teacher for a better one. |
Angry_Anime_NerdOct 4, 2018 8:27 PM
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
PapaShango said: But what's the point of changing a light-hearted family's atmosphere and then turning it into such a dark, sad atmosphere? I don't hate dark things but that tone change threw me off and it was a good contrast to Rei's depressive life. So, I don't see what's the point in making Hina such a depressed, serious character akin to Rei not to mention making her cry more often than Rei does. Now, I guess the reason for this is that Hina is a lot more open than Rei is while the latter is a bit more reserved I guess I can't explain as to why she cried in that episode after tolerating the bullying so much(It was shown how much had she gone through when she wasn't able to take it anymore) much and various other things going on besides it. But it's beyond me why the original teacher had no sense and just ignored the situation and nobody removed her from the school even if I don't know the reason. If I was that teacher and somebody told me about bullying, I would do whatever I can to fix it. I don't know if there was a consideration for Hina to be removed from school or how fast they switched that original teacher for a better one. You don't know the reason because you decided to drop the show.And it looks weird if you ask something like this after you have dropped the show. I haven't replied earlier because I've been so busy but I had to ask that because I didn't get to finish the show and I wanted to know what happens in it even if it might be spoilers. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
| Wow, just watching it right now and that must be the worst arc in shows that I rated >7, using melodrama as selling point is the only way 3-gatsu could be ruined. Not gonna lie, I always thought that the Kawamotos are the weakest part of this show, but this one is just absurd - everything about it especially the scene where Whether it was intentionally done by some other bullies or not it's just so bullshit, wish this arc would just end. |
Hatred said: every episode is overdone,let's be real here. We can't be real here when it's not true. |
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