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| Red Ai a cute, everyone is cute :) Char will make good wife. Ginko mind breaks her opponent who uses a bad opening move XD |
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Djidji said: If you're used to, I hope for you you wouldn't then. :| He said she would have the advantage considering her knowledge about how to lead the game, that's all. oO Apparently because he wanted her to step up before making them as rivals, I'd say. He didn't hide the truth from Ai Y. but did for the other, because that would say he accept having "easily" an other disciple, while it was a mess for her to make him having one. (He also confirmed later she didn't like this idea.) Well, that's the just because Ai H. is easily jalous. It's NOT like proposing a young child to ease her should be taken seriously, even a fucking twelve years old viewer knows that. (But yeah, that was stupid and should be taken as a comic relief.) But he still does tutor her. I made less dumbass mistakes when I was thirteen years old and was doing it for the first time. :/ He said, "You're probably better, since you know how to navigate through the early stages of the match.", which blatantly implies that one is better than the other. Don't twist words around to fit your viewpoint. I figured he would because that would be the logical thing to do right? However, there is no implication that he thought that far, especially since he did hide it from both of them. It's being set up as a plot point out of convenience instead of making narrative sense. And the only reason the other Ai knows about it is because her grandfather told her about the other disciple... do you even pay attention? She's a nine-year-old, why is she jealous? (Because the author is a lolicon?) If you also call it stupid then why are you calling me stupid for calling it stupid, that just makes you stupid. Then why was the "comic relief" (creepy lolicon jokes) necessary, if he didn't even need to think up of a complex response in the first place? That is what you call a leap in logic for the sake of convenience, just like what you are doing now in an awful attempt at trying to criticise my criticisms. |
| This anime had me until the blatant transphobia this episode. It honestly was uncalled for and distasteful. Note: Even if someone isn't trans and they're rather gender non-conforming/breaking gender stereotypes, calling them an "it" and making a big deal about what their gender is and being just rude af about it is still transphobic. I'm disappointed. |
| Another Ai, I like the new disciple. The scene with Char was funny and cute too. I don't know where this series is going though lol |
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Draconix814 said: First to comment! Ok, so this episode pretty much confirms that there is nothing really deep or smart about this series, and that it likes to use loli fanservice to an excessive extent. I teach kids all the fucking time, and I wouldn't make half of the dumbass mistakes Ryou did this episode. Excluding all the dumb ass rom-com jokes that aren't really cute as they are more in the area of pedophilia, the MC doesn't know the first thing about teaching anyone about anything. Why the fuck did he blatantly tell one of his disciples that she was better than his other disciple? Why didn't he make the two face off at the beginning, and what was the point in hiding it from both of them? It's NOT like having multiple disciples is like cheating on a lover, even a fucking five year old knows that. It was all because the writer is so fucking stupid, that he can't write something interesting using his own fucking premise. He has to resort to misunderstandings? Give me a fucking break. Also, why the fuck did he tell Char that she'd be his wife?!?! THAT IS LITERALLY THE STUPIDEST THING YOU CAN DO IN THAT FUCKING SIMPLE SITUATION. All he had to do was say "I am not taking you as a disciple, but you are allowed to come over and spar with Ai if you want." This show is stupid. God this is the most ignorant and hateful post I've read in awhile. I can assure you the series is pretty deep and covers the shogi world extremely well as the plot moves forward, it didn't win awards in Japan for nothing. You'll be quite surprised once we reach volume 3 of the light novels where the drama and tension of the matches hits an all time high. Though honestly it sounds like you should drop it because you obviously hate lolis and jokes revolving around them (it's not the main focus of the show but there ARE lolis so you'll have to get used to that). |
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Jotakak said: This anime had me until the blatant transphobia this episode. It honestly was uncalled for and distasteful. Note: Even if someone isn't trans and they're rather gender non-conforming/breaking gender stereotypes, calling them an "it" and making a big deal about what their gender is and being just rude af about it is still transphobic. I'm disappointed. Sadly this is just the mindset of most of Japan and the norm for them. Most anime don't know how to deal with LGBTQ people or issues. It had bad moments but it doesn't overall ruin the anime unless it constantly hit you over the head with it over and over until the very end of the series (Even Naruto made similar jokes during filler episodes years ago. It's that common in anime). |
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Aiko_Hiroshi said: Draconix814 said: First to comment! Ok, so this episode pretty much confirms that there is nothing really deep or smart about this series, and that it likes to use loli fanservice to an excessive extent. I teach kids all the fucking time, and I wouldn't make half of the dumbass mistakes Ryou did this episode. Excluding all the dumb ass rom-com jokes that aren't really cute as they are more in the area of pedophilia, the MC doesn't know the first thing about teaching anyone about anything. Why the fuck did he blatantly tell one of his disciples that she was better than his other disciple? Why didn't he make the two face off at the beginning, and what was the point in hiding it from both of them? It's NOT like having multiple disciples is like cheating on a lover, even a fucking five year old knows that. It was all because the writer is so fucking stupid, that he can't write something interesting using his own fucking premise. He has to resort to misunderstandings? Give me a fucking break. Also, why the fuck did he tell Char that she'd be his wife?!?! THAT IS LITERALLY THE STUPIDEST THING YOU CAN DO IN THAT FUCKING SIMPLE SITUATION. All he had to do was say "I am not taking you as a disciple, but you are allowed to come over and spar with Ai if you want." This show is stupid. God this is the most ignorant and hateful post I've read in awhile. I can assure you the series is pretty deep and covers the shogi world extremely well as the plot moves forward, it didn't win awards in Japan for nothing. You'll be quite surprised once we reach volume 3 of the light novels where the drama and tension of the matches hits an all time high. Though honestly it sounds like you should drop it because you obviously hate lolis and jokes revolving around them (it's not the main focus of the show but there ARE lolis so you'll have to get used to that). I'll be there to experience it... But that doesn't mean my comment was hateful and ignorant, I was ranting on how inconsistent the logic was (and used some curse words), but I don't hate the series. I don't hate loli's either, if I did, I wouldn't be a fan of NisiOisiN which is basically the second biggest lolicon in the anime industry- I don't know who the first one is :/ The problem is that Ryou doesn't know how to fanservice.  |
Aiko_Hiroshi said: Jotakak said: This anime had me until the blatant transphobia this episode. It honestly was uncalled for and distasteful. Note: Even if someone isn't trans and they're rather gender non-conforming/breaking gender stereotypes, calling them an "it" and making a big deal about what their gender is and being just rude af about it is still transphobic. I'm disappointed. Sadly this is just the mindset of most of Japan and the norm for them. Most anime don't know how to deal with LGBTQ people or issues. It had bad moments but it doesn't overall ruin the anime unless it constantly hit you over the head with it over and over until the very end of the series (Even Naruto made similar jokes during filler episodes years ago. It's that common in anime). But when it involves the main character, it starts to make me dislike that character which in turn, can make the rest of the series hard to like. Granted, it was mostly that bitch so as long as it doesn't continue, I can just pretend this episode never existed. |
Draconix814 said: Aiko_Hiroshi said: God this is the most ignorant and hateful post I've read in awhile. I can assure you the series is pretty deep and covers the shogi world extremely well as the plot moves forward, it didn't win awards in Japan for nothing. You'll be quite surprised once we reach volume 3 of the light novels where the drama and tension of the matches hits an all time high. Though honestly it sounds like you should drop it because you obviously hate lolis and jokes revolving around them (it's not the main focus of the show but there ARE lolis so you'll have to get used to that). I'll be there to experience it... But that doesn't mean my comment was hateful and ignorant, I was ranting on how inconsistent the logic was (and used some curse words), but I don't hate the series. I don't hate loli's either, if I did, I wouldn't be a fan of NisiOisiN which is basically the second biggest lolicon in the anime industry- I don't know who the first one is :/ The problem is that Ryou doesn't know how to fanservice. Eh I think the series has been fine on the "fanservice" since so far it's more comedy then anything else. NisiOisiN is way more on the sexual front in terms of fanservice (nothing wrong with that in the slightest either). |
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Aiko_Hiroshi said: Draconix814 said: I'll be there to experience it... But that doesn't mean my comment was hateful and ignorant, I was ranting on how inconsistent the logic was (and used some curse words), but I don't hate the series. I don't hate loli's either, if I did, I wouldn't be a fan of NisiOisiN which is basically the second biggest lolicon in the anime industry- I don't know who the first one is :/ The problem is that Ryou doesn't know how to fanservice. Eh I think the series has been fine on the "fanservice" since so far it's more comedy then anything else. NisiOisiN is way more on the sexual front in terms of fanservice (nothing wrong with that in the slightest either). But fanservice is still fanservice, whether it is used for comedy and/or to sexually entice the viewer, it still needs a reason to exist, just like anything else. That's why I brought up NisiOisiN here, because he does all types of fanservice the correct way, by giving it narrative weight in his story. If you take all the fanservice out of Ryou no Oshigoto, what difference would it make in the story? Couldn't they do everything they did without the situation being contrived? That is my problem with Ryou's use of fanservice- it doesn't need to be there for the story to be properly told, and is just extra baggage. |
| Next Episode: Loli Harem Carnage would've been nice if the anime is only focusing on the shogi aspects and elements... oh well. this anime has turned a lot of characters into girls or loli favorite dialogue: "Grade Schoolers... don't you like them?" evidence: "I can't make you my disciple, but you can be my bride" ... gold |
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Djidji said: He also confirmed later she didn't like this idea. Well, he thought so, in any case. It's pretty obvious that what Ai really didn't like was the bride part, not the disciple part. |
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SkyLETVJan 29, 2018 5:22 PM
| @Draconix814 Well, maybe. Good for you. But first, why would they both be equal anyway? I'm curious. In a match, one will be better than the other, no? It's not like he is depreciating his disciple, he even said firmly she is strong. What bother you about that fact? Then you're twisting your words concerning Ai Y. He didn't hide it, at most he didn't mention it. See, there is a difference between his reaction facing Ai H and Ai Y... do you even pay attention? There is no reason he had to. Why would that be the logical thing to do? Because she is fond of him as a person? A nine years old girl can be jealous, you know? Sarcasm. ;) To chill and for Ai H reaction (as viewers). That's stupid because his way of answering was so as well, and how they portrayed the scene. I wonder if, for you, the scene relies more on the "let's please lolicons" or on his stupid reaction. I was looking for the later. I don't get why looking for something clever and logical in a stupid reaction, but eh, why not? Well, your criticism sounds mostly childish or close-minded (or easily triggered by the show? ^^), so I couldn't help. I'm just answering your points and you're not happy cause I disagree with you on some. We just had different expectation I guess. luinthoron said: Djidji said: He also confirmed later she didn't like this idea. Well, he thought so, in any case. It's pretty obvious that what Ai really didn't like was the bride part, not the disciple part. Both part actually. ^^ She looked relieved when he said he couldn't make her his disciple. |
Djidji said: @Draconix814 Well, maybe. Good for you. But first, why would they both be equal anyway? I'm curious. In a match, one will be better than the other, no? It's not like he is depreciating his disciple, he even said firmly she is strong. What bother you about that fact? Then you're twisting your words concerning Ai Y. He didn't hide it, at most he didn't mention it. See, there is a difference between his reaction facing Ai H and Ai Y... do you even pay attention? There is no reason he had to. Why would that be the logical thing to do? Because she is fond of him as a person? A nine years old girl can be jealous, you know? Sarcasm. ;) To chill and for Ai H reaction (as viewers). That's stupid because his way of answering was so as well, and how they portrayed the scene. I wonder if, for you, the scene relies more on the "let's please lolicons" or on his stupid reaction. I was looking for the later. I don't get why looking for something clever and logical in a stupid reaction, but eh, why not? Well, your criticism sounds mostly childish or close-minded (or easily triggered by the show? ^^), so I couldn't help. I'm just answering your points and you're not happy cause I disagree with you on some. We just had different expectation I guess. Ok so let's be open-minded about this: Why does it bother me? Ok let's refer to teaching 101: When a teacher teaches multiple students, the worst thing said teacher can do (besides not teach cuz that's pretty bad) is a thing called favoritism. Favoritism discourages students from improving and can potentially give the favored students false confidence. Teachers need to give positive attention and advice to each student equally- that's not to say that they should ignore skill level, but the situation he is in doesn't call for it. If Ai Prime won against Ai in a match and Ryou decided to say "Ai, you're getting worse as a player, if you don't buck up and try harder you're never going to succeed!", that's called encouragement, even if its a bit on the tough side. Here, Ryou flat out says, that Ai Prime is better than Ai in blatant terms. (Do you see the problem now?) Besides, even if he does know the skill levels of both of his disciples, he won't know for sure who would win, without actually seeing them go at it- it's called chemistry between the players. Saying that one is better than the other without being definitely sure is reckless, combined with all the other mistakes he did in the episode (both in regards to teaching and just in general) paints him as ignorant. "You called me stupid so I called you stupid back!" is what you sound like right here. I was paying attention. He didn't tell Ai Prime, so when she confronted him about it in blatant terms, it's not like he could deny it. Besides look at your own words and realize that you didn't explain a single thing about why there is a difference in his reactions in regards to both his disciples. This is what you said: Apparently because he wanted her to step up before making them as rivals, I'd say. This would be the logical thing to do, but as I said, there are no indications that such went through his mind. Of course a nine-year-old can be jealous if she has a crush on someone she looks up to... Actually, it doesn't really work that way either. You see, love (although that is what "Ai" translates to) is not something a nine-year-old can properly understand, even if she idolizes Ryou. She doesn't love him, she idolizes him- but more than that, she already has the respect and attention of Ryou (it's not like the Ryou is neglecting her or anything) and has formed a mutual friendship (if you can call it that). Since she is not in love with Ryou, she wouldn't expect more. But the author is a lolicon, so he needs to treat this as if Ai is his girlfriend instead of a student, having her move in and get jealous whenever he 'sees' someone else. (See the problem now?) Since sarcasm is meant to highlight a point by using indirect wording, repetition of whatever the point is trying to comment on, and excessive use of explanations to emphasize said point, you utterly failed at sarcasm. Not to mention, your point was still stupid and you even contradicted yourself directly thereafter. Unfortunately, even stupid reactions need to make logical sense. Okay, so if the author of Hyouka wanted to make a stupid comedy scene that made logical sense that involved Oreki and Chitanda getting into some situation you would find in a typical romantic comedy- which is better? OKay, so the scenario is that Oreki and Chitanda are on a cruise because Chitanda's parents are rich and she decided to invite the entire group because they're her friends. By some happenstance, Oreki decides he wants to take a shower, but finds Chitanda coming out right when he walks in. Which would Oreki do? 1. Oreki screams out "I'm sorry, I'll take responsibility for seeing you naked and marry you!" or 2. Oreki, being the awkward loner he is, rushes out of the bathroom with his eyes closed and slams the door, afterward apologizing for seeing her naked and not noticing she was in the bathroom. I didn't necessarily create the most compelling scenario, but I hope I highlighted a single point here for you- that even though in both scenarios the author decided to make a stupid fanservice joke for the kicks, one reaction makes logical sense in relation to Oreki's character, and the other is just incoherent. (You see the problem now?) In regards to the Ryou, it wouldn't make logical sense for him to randomly shout out "be my bride!" if he was seriously in a pinch like the show wants to make it out to be. But even as a joke, asking a nine-year-old to be your bride out of nowhere is kinda creepy, done the opposite way- with the nine-year-old asking the Ryou to marry her- is kind of cute. No matter if it was intended to be a joke or not, it was still poorly done. Only childish and close-minded critics call other critics childish and close-minded. Open-minded critics do their best to convince others by showing them their logic before they criticize others for the lack of it- that's when they are confident in their own opinions. Close-minded critics don't change their opinion no matter what, and they don't give many reasons why they think the way they do. That is because close-minded people don't want to consider any part of their opinion as false and will often avoid the discussion entirely. They also have a tendency to simplify actions made by others like they have no greater meaning to them. Yeah, I suppose we just had different expectations... It's not like I was expecting it to abide by the basics of good storytelling or anything. [P.S. I don't know how you think Gintama is on the same level as this trash, but whatever. I've done enough of dissecting your opinions for one day.] |
Draconix814Jan 29, 2018 4:29 PM
| Dat cliffhanger hahaha --- Also daheck is with all these long comments, sorry no time to read em xD |
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Draconix814 said: Aiko_Hiroshi said: Eh I think the series has been fine on the "fanservice" since so far it's more comedy then anything else. NisiOisiN is way more on the sexual front in terms of fanservice (nothing wrong with that in the slightest either). But fanservice is still fanservice, whether it is used for comedy and/or to sexually entice the viewer, it still needs a reason to exist, just like anything else. That's why I brought up NisiOisiN here, because he does all types of fanservice the correct way, by giving it narrative weight in his story. If you take all the fanservice out of Ryou no Oshigoto, what difference would it make in the story? Couldn't they do everything they did without the situation being contrived? That is my problem with Ryou's use of fanservice- it doesn't need to be there for the story to be properly told, and is just extra baggage. If you honestly think every bit of fanservice has a reason to exist in the Monogatari series then there's no reasoning with you at all. Let's agree to disagree. |
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| @Draconix814 Nice, but there is no favoritism here, case closed. (If ever she was favored, except for her screen time, I'd like to know where.) Of course, there could be unexpected development in a match, but on paper, she is supposed to be stronger (even if not that much). If he had add pointless stuff like "if you want to stay stronger than her, you better work hard to!", you wouldn't have say so, I guess? Well, on the one hand, there is Ai H, asking what he is doing on his Saturdays and find him suspicious. She implied he's hiding something from her after pointing his bad habit. Then, he did hide/cover the truth. With Ai Y, I doesn't try to hide anything. I thought it was clear enough. One is hiding by not telling while the other is not bother mentioning but don't hide. Well, that's my interpretation. When Sora tell Ryuuou Ai's weakening, he said (to us) he needs to find her a rival. Come just after the scene when Ryuuou wants Ai Y to build up experience because textbook knowledge is not enough and so she will learn tricks. He implies later she could become a monster too. You rather meant she shouldn't? But she was like that from day – or rather episode – one. Meaning, if his disciple was like one or two years younger than the MC, it wouldn't be a problem? Your make look like what bother you is the lolicon part and not the yandere part. xD Don't mind, don't mind. Indeed, your scenario was no good. Let's make the "logical sense" clear. Char want to be his disciple. But he can't say he want, and at the same time, he does not want her to be sad – because noone would want Char to be, obviously. The scene focus on Ryuuou trying his best to find the best move, the one which will reverse the situation (shogi-poi!) while showing a mighty dragon (ryuu) and he DID find something that fit what he was looking for! But! Yes, it was a stupid proposition! The opposition between the serious moment and the stupid outcome, yet which worked on Char, is what made the joke (then followed up by the yandere act). But, in the end, we both know he wasn't serious about her being her real bride. Or maybe he really did xD, but I didn't take it like that. Well, if you ask me to answer with more justification, I will do it, but I won't when people are just making statements, and that was what your first comment was about. You can be open-minded and stick to your positions as long as you still find them fair. Being open-minded would be finding your spokesperson understandable and/or fair. But the way you're answering sounds like "I decided it was like that". About your P.S., I don't know how you're knowing the way I'm doing my rating. oO If you call Ryuuou "trash", does that mean all the anime you rated with 6 (which is "fine" according to MAL) or less are trash or worse than trash? x) |
| I feel like two people wrote this series - one person is competent and the other is a dangerous pedophile who is threatening to stab the other writer if they don't get their way. There is nothing wrong with having a loli cast, but the fact that the guy keeps putting himself into these stupid situations cannot be overlooked. |
Hell_ping said: Draconix814 said: Only childish and close-minded critics call other critics childish and close-minded. Open-minded critics do their best to convince others by showing them their logic before they criticize others for the lack of it- that's when they are confident in their own opinions. Close-minded critics don't change their opinion no matter what, and they don't give many reasons why they think the way they do. That is because close-minded people don't want to consider any part of their opinion as false and will often avoid the discussion entirely. They also have a tendency to simplify actions made by others like they have no greater meaning to them. Yeah, I suppose we just had different expectations... It's not like I was expecting it to abide by the basics of good storytelling or anything. [P.S. I don't know how you think Gintama is on the same level as this trash, but whatever. I've done enough of dissecting your opinions for one day.] Well, for someone priding on being open-minded, you certainly are trying to shut down other people's opinions instead. Surely it is more hypocritical of you to dismiss others so flatly. And before you fend yourself by saying that others are accusing you of being close-minded, perhaps you should be able to see yourself as well as how you see this series? And perhaps you haven't realized, but at 16, the protagonist isn't exactly the wisest out there, especially one who had never planned to be a teacher in the first place. Expecting every single character to act as rationally and perfectly as you are means a pretty boring story, I feel. Seeing how this perfect you is the first to post in this thread immediately after the OP, I could have sworn that your attitude is to just deride everything you hate. That's not being open-minded, that's just shutting others down for your own deluded sense of superiority. Eh? My bad, I just got offended because you know I love Gintama and I almost hate this series now that I thought about it this much. I will do better next time. But I should add that I wasn't dismissing people flatly, but when arguments made against me have no or few merits to them, I have a right to criticize them. If he was characterized as unwise and immature, then I would accept it. That said, he is supposed to be a respected master of his art, thus he is supposed to symbolize wisdom and/ or maturity in this setting. A blatant contradiction. I probably do have a superiority issue, but honestly, I don't get the chance to post first many times, so that's why I jumped on it as quick as I can... |
Draconix814Jan 29, 2018 6:17 PM
Aiko_Hiroshi said: Draconix814 said: But fanservice is still fanservice, whether it is used for comedy and/or to sexually entice the viewer, it still needs a reason to exist, just like anything else. That's why I brought up NisiOisiN here, because he does all types of fanservice the correct way, by giving it narrative weight in his story. If you take all the fanservice out of Ryou no Oshigoto, what difference would it make in the story? Couldn't they do everything they did without the situation being contrived? That is my problem with Ryou's use of fanservice- it doesn't need to be there for the story to be properly told, and is just extra baggage. If you honestly think every bit of fanservice has a reason to exist in the Monogatari series then there's no reasoning with you at all. Let's agree to disagree. Says the person who didn't do any "reasoning", but whatever. I was referring to Monogatari's themes on sexuality being a primary focus- as we are seeing things through Araragi's eyes, those that he finds attractive would definitely have more fanservice scenes than others, even when the situation (in context) doesn't exactly call for it- but yeah, let's agree to disagree then. I just didn't want you to misunderstand. |
| is MC retarded? who would choose to suggest a grade schooler to be your bride as a good alternative? ANd wow that end, got busted lol, its like his true loli wife found out he is cheating on her with another loli wife. Also im sure its more popular in Japan since different culture and all, but it just shows how culture influences which anime you love. Since atm i think most people just feel uncomfortable as heck watching this. I mean i think he would be arrested in our world,not in japan apparently. Anyway on another note, does anyone feel that when Ryouu was with other Ai in those sunglasses, he looked like Kotarou(rewrite) at the very least he looked totally different from Ryouu in his usual outfit. |
Djidji said: About your P.S., I don't know how you're knowing the way I'm doing my rating. oO If you call Ryuuou "trash", does that mean all the anime you rated with 6 (which is "fine" according to MAL) or less are trash or worse than trash? x) Honestly, it's just how shit my rating system is, sometimes I can't even figure it out myself XP I rated it a six because I still think that it can get better even though the chance is slim. If the trash stays consistent or gets trashier without substance, then I'll rate it a 5 or 4 respectively. |
| Loli harem is the best harem. That cliffhanger actually got me pretty good. I was really looking forward to Ai-one's reaction. |
Hell_ping said: He is a respected master of shogi, but he's not street smart at all. That's the problem with him, matured at shogi, immature at everything else. Whatever he thinks is appropriate ends up coming out wrong. Take for example episode 2, when Ginko showed up at his place. The only reason why she did (not in anime) was because Yaichi stupidly texted Keika saying that he had lolis staying over at his house, and Keika messaged Ginko. This isn't just a problem limited to him, it goes to many idiot hero protagonists. That last part is my point. And it doesn't take street smarts to know what you should and shouldn't do with a grade schooler. Anyone who isn't limited in social interaction knows that you don't ask a grade-schooler to be your bride. I'll use myself as an example (yeah yeah not a smart move), but I basically had zero friends all the way up until high school, I have ADHD and OCD (though nothing overt) and I had a lisp in my speech (which was the main reason I didn't make any friends). EVEN SO, my thirteen-year-old self wouldn't make any of those lousy errors and can probably run circles around that MC (granted only if I told him what was wrong or something). Right here, I am talking from personal experience because I was the dense loser that every other main protagonist was, only the way writers tend to write dense and idiotic protagonists is the most unrealistic thing I've seen. And people wonder why I get defensive on this topic when I experienced it myself. Ridiculous. |
| Lolicon King lmao. I have a feeling Ai will tell Sora about this and things will get ugly '-' |
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| is MC really the king of shogi? weak as fk man |
| This is a fantastic anime so far that I am definitely going to rewatch. I've played a little shogi against computers, and that's it. So I'm familiar with the absolute basics, but this is really inspiring me to get back into it and really develop my skill in it. I'm pretty good at chess, good enough to at least give very good amateurs a run for their money, so I'd like to get at least that good with shogi. After that, a rewatch of this will be warranted. I think I will appreciate it even more. Other than the hurr-durr loli hate, I really don't get the hate here. I've seen arguments about fanservice when the only fanservice was one seen of the main girl coming out of the shower. And seriously, if you've babysitted enough and that hasn't happened to you, you got lucky. It's pretty annoying IRL. My point is that's a situation that could absolutely happen IRL, hence the fanservice is justified. I do have to say all of Monogatari's fanservice is justified. I saw a very good argument for it once that even fully justified the toothbrush scene. You have to remember from whose point of view the story is being told (Read the novels too. They go much more in depth. They are honestly better than the anime, and this is coming from someone who rates almost all Monogatari anime 10.). It's not like all Japanese women are somehow asexual. It's really the opposite. Anyways, you guys don't have to argue so hard. That said, I can't exactly take expertise on teaching seriously from a 17 year old @Draconix814 . I think you are too confident in your own knowledge and experience, and you are being overly critical of the show. He's 16, has only a 9th grade level of education, and has no experience teaching. These are literally his first disciples. At lot of the mistakes he makes are intentionally put in for comedy. This show is a comedy, not a super-serious drama, and should be rated in part based on that. |
| Omne Solum Forti Patria |
| The moment the Ai and co want to go on a dojo and Yaichi and Ai go, he knew he F up! Its gonna be fun to see the confrontation between the two Ai. |
takodori said: For those who are interested in the answers of the tsume problems Yaichi and Ai were competing to solve faster in the morning, here are the link to replay on the virtual boards. The first one(on the surface of the puzzle book). https://goo.gl/dSarpr The second one - https://goo.gl/j9x9i6 The third one - https://goo.gl/UASFHZ The fourth one - https://goo.gl/c9AgmH Ai told the fourth one was in 23 moves, but I believe it's in 21 moves instead. Anyway, they are tough to solve except for the first one so I think even 99% of Japanese audience cannot grasp what they really are and just feel they are solving puzzles together from the opening scene. Any recommandation for a site/video to start learning how to play shogi? Do you feel it's easy to have a good understanding of the board without needing to pause? |
| As a fan of the novel， I have to say the anime is really trash. Really disappointed |
xdyllxJan 30, 2018 6:22 AM
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| @Hraktuus I really should hide my age, so people like you don't dismiss everything I say because of it... At any rate, it's not like I was giving a teaching course, I was giving the very basics of what every teacher should know. And if you think you know better about teaching, then surely you could dispel what I said about it without any of your preconceived bias. And for the rest of your argument, please refer to my other posts in this forum for what I think about that. |
Draconix814 said: @Hraktuus I really should hide my age, so people like you don't dismiss everything I say because of it... At any rate, it's not like I was giving a teaching course, I was giving the very basics of what every teacher should know. And if you think you know better about teaching, then surely you could dispel what I said about it without any of your preconceived bias. And for the rest of your argument, please refer to my other posts in this forum for what I think about that. I would have said the same thing even if you were 24, and my points hold true as far as the character. Why would a 16 year old know any of the basics about teaching when he hasn't taken any such course? Your argument is irrelevant to the character. You're expecting way too much of him and projecting both yourself and your culture onto him. |
| Omne Solum Forti Patria |
| HoHoHo..."scary" cliffhanger! Maybe Ai-chan will be become angry.....really angry..... |
| Nice new character addition, Red Ai (Yashajin) is interesting :) Can't wait to see Blue Ai vs Red Ai rivalry....not only as shogi players hehe :D By the way, I also like Red Ai's rival....PPAP woman :) |
RinrinkaJan 30, 2018 7:52 AM
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
| so Hinatsuru's forte is end game shogi moves huh! I heard Aizen voice again! and a 5 time meijin cool! Finally the last main loli character was introduced...same first name Ai as well and she is none other than Yashajin! but a bratty personality loli, but i think her character will improve! Yashajin is the upcoming rival of Hinatsuru! Char so adorable and wants to become his disciple also! Hinatsuru's devastated when she heard bride to Char! so jelly and she's right he's a Lolicon King! haha! call the police! lolz!!! DAMN! Yaichi will be caught red-handed! but damn cliffhanger! he's totally busted! 5/5. |
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Hraktuus said: Draconix814 said: @Hraktuus I really should hide my age, so people like you don't dismiss everything I say because of it... At any rate, it's not like I was giving a teaching course, I was giving the very basics of what every teacher should know. And if you think you know better about teaching, then surely you could dispel what I said about it without any of your preconceived bias. And for the rest of your argument, please refer to my other posts in this forum for what I think about that. I would have said the same thing even if you were 24, and my points hold true as far as the character. Why would a 16 year old know any of the basics about teaching when he hasn't taken any such course? Your argument is irrelevant to the character. You're expecting way too much of him and projecting both yourself and your culture onto him. First, you say that no one should take advice from me because I am seventeen, then you say that you wouldn't even if I was twenty-four? How does that make sense- besides the fact that if I were 24, I would have had enough time in my slow-moving life to go to college and get a teaching degree. But what is it about my points about teaching that was so wrong? Please explain it so a dumbass 17-year-old can understand, because by the way you are dismissing my argument makes me think that you have some sort of teaching knowledge. Go ahead. Like I said, I was only explaining the basics of how to tutor children, it's not like I was attempting to teach an entire course (though my sarcasm doesn't really help). And while I didn't comment on your views on the character of the Ryou (I'll do that now), allow me to address a few flaws in your argument- and why he isn't a believable character. Bear with me. The Ryou is 16 and has a ninth-grade education (I guess he hasn't gone to school for two years?), he isn't limited in social interaction- and he even has a younger brother- which means that we can assume that he has common sense. He's a surrogate for the audience, after all, we should at least expect that much- but as a character, he is also supposed to be the Meijin/ Ryou of Shogi. Shogi and Chess require a lot of thinking and understanding of other opponents- of other people. This means that Ryou is actually supposed to be smarter than the average person for the sheer fact that he uses his brain a lot- not only that but as the Ryou, he is supposed to be the mentor of others. This I assume you already know, so let's take a step back and analyze what this all really means. His character is the surrogate for the audience, but he has already reached his pique of development- think about it, when has he been characterized to have a flaw that needs fixing- and where do you expect him to go? This really isn't all that much of a problem until you consider that he makes very stupid mistakes- his inner monologues that consist of a few exposition dumps for the audience, while the only actual things he says for himself is "I need to give it my all!". Again, this isn't all that bad yet- he is after all young like you said. That said, look at how horribly he rationalizes everything else in Episode 4. First of all, the whole "will you be my bride" thing doesn't make sense from a comedy perspective, nor does if he was really in a pinch. If it was a joke on his part, then we would assume that everyone in the room would understand the joke and everyone would laugh upon hearing it- even if he recognized it as a poor joke that he did in bad taste, he would apologize and admit that he was joking. This doesn't happen. Now let's assume that he was seriously in a pinch (from this overtly childish question that someone of his age wouldn't take seriously from someone who's nine-years-old (sound familiar?)), why does he go straight to the marriage? If it was a slip of his tongue, that would mean he was thinking about marriage with ("a" or "the") child before receiving this question- and it slipped out. Understandable- but then he would apologize and get embarrassed for saying something so ludicrous in an inappropriate scenario (this is Japanese culture after all, even if arguably the same norms apply in America for this situation). But that doesn't happen either. If that was his prototypical reaction to a little girl asking him why she couldn't be his disciple- then what is he a pedophile? This here shows he doesn't have common sense- and wasn't even smart enough to read what everyone's reactions would be if he did decide to spout it out- contradictory to what we established earlier. Then we get to the stuff with Ai Prime. I suppose what bugs me the most is that Ryou intentionally hides Ai prime from Ai- which isn't all that bad on a surface level, in fact as an absurd parody of rom-com anime, it would be gold, however, it is actually taking this seriously. Actually what I think would have worked better in this scenario, would be that Ai walks in exactly when he tells Ai prime that she would be better than her in a shogi match- as this would bring forward development on both sides- The Ryou would have to deal with an even further depressed Ai because he tells her she's not good enough, and Ai would need to get over whatever problem she has and find it in herself to forgive the Ryou after she beats Ai Prime. That's not how things play out (obviously), but what's wrong with how everything plays out is the fact that it is clearly trying to contrive itself unto a cliche misunderstanding. (Ai walks in when he's holding Ai Prime's hand, and I am certain this will lead to Ai being jealous of the Ryou, Ai Prime get's a bit cocky and challenges her to a shogi match and it ends in a draw before they both ask him to be his tutor again) Now I understand that complaining about cliches is a cliche in it of itself (even worse because I am talking about a hypothetical cliche), however, it is justified by everything that happens before it. The scene with Char momentarily broke his character, followed by him blatantly hiding his new contract with Ai Prime from Ai for no other reason than she would get mad at him (I already explained in a previous post that Ai cannot be in love with him, rather she idolizes him, and in this one where I said he isn't characterized as a pedophile (except for that dumb joke), so from both sides it doesn't make sense for him to think this), and him actually misreading Ai's reading of him. He's supposed to be good at reading people, so why doesn't he notice that Ai was reading him- and why did he say to Ai Prime that Ai isn't good at reading people? Do you even see (partially) why I am getting annoyed now? The only way this show can NOT get worse is if the author decides to use Ai's new ability to read others as a plot point next episode, and a reminder to Ryou that he wasn't paying attention (while he should have already mastered that). The Ryou is the master, his role in the story should be getting Ai to progress, to be her teacher, but none of the story progression so far points to anything but a rom-com. He is still allowed to develop, he doesn't need to be a static character like Gintoki from Gintama or Oshino from Monogatari (both characters are mentors that are used to develop everyone else), but he looks like he is developing backward rather than forward- contrary to the nature of the narrative. I heard that later on, in the third light novel, it gets very intense with shogi, but I have a feeling it will all be as hollow and meaningless as this episode was because this show has a habit of taking a step forward and moving a step back in the same minute. Serious threats to their relationship such as Ai's mother taking her away, only to be downplayed by giving conditions to their relationship such as an engagement if he doesn't make her successful, then never bothering to dwell on it again to move the story forward, is enough evidence to this idea. And you can't defend it by saying "it's a comedy, so we should allow some illogical situations", because there is a light novel anime named KonoSuba that can make even more absurd situations while it still making logical sense, and it builds off itself in hilarious ways that still work for the narrative. There's the legendary Gintama that can crank both comedy and tension to 11 while still making logical sense, and Monogatari can make borderline pedophilia fun. But explain to me again how I am placing unrealistic personal and cultural expectations on the Ryou? |
Draconix814Jan 30, 2018 3:07 PM
| Don't take this show seriously don't relate it to irl(pedo) either cause there's no sane man in this world who could told grade schooler to become his wife. Just watching because their seiyuus is op, and char damn adorable, sasuga ogura yui.. hidaka rina as loli again. 2nd ai's wink reminded me of iroha's, damn ayaneru. And some voice of my goddess kayanon |
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| OH SHOOT. THE LOLI ARMY IS GROWING. Lolicon King is right, dude has 5 now. I can hear the police sirens in the distance... inching closer and closer... as I sit here laughing internally. I can understand the need to give her a rival more her level of course, plus she's got one of my favorite Seiyuus (Is that the right word)? Anyway, I'm looking forward to the loli massacre of next episode. 5 GO IN. 1 COMES OUT. |
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