| The story line is decent, I definitely thinks its overrated this is not even close to a top 5 manga of all time but its not trash, however I would enjoy it more if it wasn't aimed so obviously at pedophiles. When i first read the part of how the main punishment of the orphanage is hanging 12 year old girls naked for a day I was slightly alarmed but was like whatever, maybe this might be considered humor in some weirdos or young kids eyes, but it started getting more and more disturbing as the manga artist's hard on of drawing uncensored undeveloped naked little girls/boys wetting the bed/shitting (yes shitting and pissing, more than once) and other sexual interactions every chance he gets become more and more prevalent. At least other mangas/animes try to hide under the pretext of "she may look like a little girl but really shes 16, 18, 25 etc", but this manga artist doesnt seem to give a fuck. Mangas like this are what really put anime in a bad light in western view |
QansNov 28, 2017 6:14 AM
| You don't like the manga and anime, yeah right we got it. Also no, "western view" is what puts bad light on anime. |
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| Yeah because I'm sure mangakas really care what westerners think of their works. Also Stephen King's 'IT' has an orgy between 7 or however many kids, it's western, it's also extremely successful, why don't you make a thread about that? |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
Menzo- said: Yeah because I'm sure mangakas really care what westerners think of their works. Also Stephen King's 'IT' has an orgy between 7 or however many kids, it's western, it's also extremely successful, why don't you make a thread about that? So basically, your response is we should accept and love sexualizing pre-pubescent children because Stephen King did it over 30 years ago, or because 12 year old children are sexy? Slavery was also legal a 100 years ago, so it should be legal now? I don't really get the response here Swagernator said: You don't like the manga and anime, yeah right we got it. Also no, "western view" is what puts bad light on anime. So western view is incorrect because it doesn't see the sexiness or sex appeal of naked undeveloped children? And the manga is tolerable other than the weird perversion, not bad, not the best but definitely readable |
QansNov 28, 2017 6:37 AM
| @Qans dude if this is what you don't like about anime/manga then you picked wrong entertainment medium. |
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| I agree with OP. The naked scenes are fucking weird and not necessary at all. |
ZelevDec 5, 2017 5:51 PM
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| MiA's author is just one of many manga creators that is a bit too much into shock value. Well, if not outright scatological. Nothing new. When it comes to the reception, even if surprising, it's perfectly explainable considering its somewhat deceitful wrapping, the nice looking anime and the marvels that mere novelty brings. |
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Qans said: TAt least other mangas/animes try to hide under the pretext of "she may look like a little girl but really shes 16, 18, 25 etc", but this manga artist doesnt seem to give a fuck. Mangas like this are what really put anime in a bad light in western view Incorrectly pluralizing manga and anime multiple times puts you in a bad light in my view. You're complaining about non sexualized nude scenes in an anime? And the urinating and defecating I'm pretty sure you don't know how the human body even works if you don't know why the scenes were played out as they were. I date you to get something pulled out of your body like a bullet slug without anesthetics and see if you don't wet yourself in the process. |
| I'm honestly not disturbed by anything as long as it's not in real life since that's another story. |
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| I'm pretty sure the mangaka is trying to get you disturbed. I honestly could care less about the torture porn and the fetishizing of it when the characters are prepubescent kids, probably because the whole point of the story seems to be taking the typical fairy tale story of "adventuring to find your inner self and move into adulthood" and making it into one of the cruelest experiences possible. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't go out of my way to embrace myself in this fetish, there have also been less controverial ways of handling these ideas, and I could see where a bunch of (what appears to be) 9 year olds contemplating the nature of Reg's penis can be disturbing when it is brought up too many times... However, I do think there have been many scenes where dick jokes have been essential to characterization and subtle worldbuilding (believe it or not), and even though they look like 9 year olds, if I remember correctly, I believe Riko was 11 or 12, so I don't find it too inappropriate for sex to a topic of discussion at that age. I also really like how Riko and Reg's relationship evolves thanks to the occasional dick joke, but now I am delving too far down the rabbit hole. |
| So, a manga about how unremarkable and frail human life is has naked people in it. Your point is...? |
| "I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this. "Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal "No way Spirited Away is better than Akira. NO WAY." - Kanye West |
| I have to agree that it mainly comes across as unnecessary fetish fuel and is the only thing I dislike about the manga. It doesn't bother me enough to actually diminish my enjoyment much, although it does regularly kill immersion. |
| I agree, well I believe certain recent manga chapters are even worse, there are things that are really unnecessary to show, it was "fun" at the beginning, but now is just uncomfortable, right now, on chapters around 40 - 43 we can literally see Riko and Reg being abused by tentacles... It doesn't automatically make it bad but it kills my motivation of keep reading it |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
apaz said: This is nothing. I would feel comfortable showing this show to my grandparents. The show is meant to be unsettling, and its moe is an integral part of that. If you can't accept this, then you should move on to a different show. Promiscuity in anime has a time and a place, but no rules are actually being broken here. Can you call Elfen Lied pornography? No, you can't. It's just really edgy and gory, with exessive amounts of nudity balanced out by exessive amounts of gore. The same goes here, exept Made in Abyss isn't actually all that bad by comparison. More mature stories are able to tell the story in more mature ways. I was refering more to the manga than the show, from what I understand the anime is a lot more tame |
Lease_of_Life said: So, a manga about how unremarkable and frail human life is has naked people in it. Your point is...? I can handle naked people if it's necessary to the storyline. If it's unnecessary to the storyline, i'm still generally okay with it. However i'd just prefer it not be about 10-11 year old kids in an extremely sexualizing way. And ideally not multiple times. Its odd and uncomfortable. That's my point. I find it ruins an otherwise extremely interesting plot. If you wanted to involve a romantic/sexual plot, why wouldn't the author make the characters older. I don't feel like it would have ruined the story. HereticHunter said: I agree, well I believe certain recent manga chapters are even worse, there are things that are really unnecessary to show, it was "fun" at the beginning, but now is just uncomfortable, right now, on chapters around 40 - 43 we can literally see Riko and Reg being abused by tentacles... It doesn't automatically make it bad but it kills my motivation of keep reading it Yeah that pretty much sums up how i feel about it. It's not quite drop worthy but i was curious if i was the only one who felt this way. Good to know im not Rastamepas said: Qans said: TAt least other mangas/animes try to hide under the pretext of "she may look like a little girl but really shes 16, 18, 25 etc", but this manga artist doesnt seem to give a fuck. Mangas like this are what really put anime in a bad light in western view Incorrectly pluralizing manga and anime multiple times puts you in a bad light in my view. You're complaining about non sexualized nude scenes in an anime? And the urinating and defecating I'm pretty sure you don't know how the human body even works if you don't know why the scenes were played out as they were. I date you to get something pulled out of your body like a bullet slug without anesthetics and see if you don't wet yourself in the process. Sorry, i'll spellcheck next time. No as i said i'm complaining about pretty clearly sexualized nude scenes about pre-pubescent children. Read my reply above. If you're into that shit it's cool but don't try to make it seem like that's not what it is tho. A bullet slug? Lol bruh what u even talking about? U show me first then we can talk about that. Think if your argument makes sense before you hit the submit button next time, im literally loling. Thats one of the weirdest comebacks ive heard on here in a while |
QansJan 20, 2018 4:57 AM
| I couldn't care less about Western views tbh If I like a manga then I read it and if someone tells me that the manga is way too much dark and that I will not be able to read it then I don't read it. |
 Join Emilia's self-proclaimed knights club if you are a fellow Emilia fan |
| You're not put off by the other incredibly graphic stuff though like cutting a childs arm off? To me it just seems like the show is trying not to censor itself and I think it is better because of it. Things like puke/piss/shit are a reality of life, especially for children and I'd assume even moreso if they were put in this situation. I think that most of the scenarios were relative to the plot and may have tried to make a joke in places, but in reality if it puts you off that much don't read it. |
| This manga is edgy trash tbh. |
Aardwolf94 said: This manga is edgy trash tbh. Oh aren't you edgy and cool, Berserk is also edgy trash right? ;) |
Aardwolf94 said: why edgy and trash? argue your positionThis manga is edgy trash tbh. |
sn3akyk1d said: Aardwolf94 said: This manga is edgy trash tbh. Oh aren't you edgy and cool, Berserk is also edgy trash right? ;) No Berserk was awesome when it used to be more "edgy", now it sucks. With Made in Abyss the mangaka tries too hard with the cutsey artstyle, shocking moments etc. At least Berserk backed its edgy stuff up with complex characters, this series doesn't. |
MadeInOblivion said: Aardwolf94 said: why edgy and trash? argue your positionThis manga is edgy trash tbh. Shit characters (don't give a fuck about anyone), series tries too hard to shock you and be edgy and overall this just feels juvenile. |
MadeInOblivion said: why edgy and trash? argue your position Shit characters (don't give a fuck about anyone), series tries too hard to shock you and be edgy and overall this just feels juvenile. |
Aardwolf94 said: then we could say that all the series where blood and horror come out are edgyMadeInOblivion said: why edgy and trash? argue your position Shit characters (don't give a fuck about anyone), series tries too hard to shock you and be edgy and overall this just feels juvenile. |
Aardwolf94 said: No Berserk was awesome when it used to be more "edgy", now it sucks. With Made in Abyss the mangaka tries too hard with the cutsey artstyle, shocking moments etc. At least Berserk backed its edgy stuff up with complex characters, this series doesn't. Personally I find that the majority of Berserk's character building has been done in the most recent volumes, earlier the only character traits to Guts was, 'he's angry'. With respect to Made in Abyss, the show has character building, however it also has a blistering pace, as seen from the anime a lot of the gaps left from pacing and structure were picked up and fleshed out. So I would agree that the character building is slightly lacking but not due to it not being present but because of the pace of the series. Also to call it trash is simply blind, the manga does a couple thing extremely well, the art imo is 9/10 if not 10/10, the world building is absolutely phenomenal 10/10, and it manages to build some great moments with characters. You can call it trash from your enjoyment standpoint, but you would have to be ignoring it's good points to give it a 4/10 overall. |
sn3akyk1d said: Aardwolf94 said: No Berserk was awesome when it used to be more "edgy", now it sucks. With Made in Abyss the mangaka tries too hard with the cutsey artstyle, shocking moments etc. At least Berserk backed its edgy stuff up with complex characters, this series doesn't. Personally I find that the majority of Berserk's character building has been done in the most recent volumes, earlier the only character traits to Guts was, 'he's angry'. With respect to Made in Abyss, the show has character building, however it also has a blistering pace, as seen from the anime a lot of the gaps left from pacing and structure were picked up and fleshed out. So I would agree that the character building is slightly lacking but not due to it not being present but because of the pace of the series. Also to call it trash is simply blind, the manga does a couple thing extremely well, the art imo is 9/10 if not 10/10, the world building is absolutely phenomenal 10/10, and it manages to build some great moments with characters. You can call it trash from your enjoyment standpoint, but you would have to be ignoring it's good points to give it a 4/10 overall. Disagree completely. I mean have you even read the Golden Age arc? Guts was much more than just "angry", same for the Conviction arc where he really develops a lot. The only arcs where he is really angry and revenge driven are Black Swordsman and Lost Children and it makes sense why he is that way. In the most recent volumes he is just the generic Papa of the group who gives cliche one liners, his character has gotten really stale. And I don't like the artstyle at all in Made in Abyss, the art in general is fine but nothing special either (certainly no Berserk, Vagabond etc.). The worldbuilding is indeed the best part but if I don't care about the characters then its not nearly enough to carry a series. My scores all reflect my personal enjoyment so 4/10 is accurate |
MadeInOblivion said: Aardwolf94 said: then we could say that all the series where blood and horror come out are edgyShit characters (don't give a fuck about anyone), series tries too hard to shock you and be edgy and overall this just feels juvenile. Depends on how its done, Made in Abyss execution is lacking. It reminds me of Madoka Magica. To each their own. |
Aardwolf94 said: My scores all reflect my personal enjoyment so 4/10 is accurate I was guessing you rate shows based on enjoyment, personally I prefer to rate based on individual qualities rather than my overall enjoyment because there are some anime/manga that are terrible in some aspects HxH (art quality) and Grave of Fireflies (enjoyment) which can put people off, then they end up rating without looking at the whole picture. I wholly disagree about the art, it is far above the average and some scenes I would rate similar to Berserk. |
Aardwolf94 said: My scores all reflect my personal enjoyment so 4/10 is accurate I also wanted to add, the music in the anime was beyond amazing, probably the best out of all the anime I've watched. |
| Watch or read something else if you have that much of a problem with the things in the series, it's as simple as that. Mangas like this are what really put anime in a bad light in western view. No, manga and anime in general is put in a "bad light" because of the preconceived notions and malformed ideas from people who don't read or watch the stuff. Stop caring what "outsiders" think about your hobby. |
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| "Mangas like this are what really put anime in a bad light in western view" "Manga put anime in bad light" Makes sense. Also, take example from the author and don't give a fuck. Qans said: So basically, your response is we should accept and love sexualizing pre-pubescent children because Stephen King did it over 30 years ago, or because 12 year old children are sexy? Slavery was also legal a 100 years ago, so it should be legal now? I don't really get the response here You do realize fiction isn't reality, right? |
You all need to watch Nami. |
| The punishment scene was for comedic effect, it was the joke. The fact that she previously mentioned she was scared of being hung up again only to later be hung up is meant to be a referenced joke towards the first episode. The rest aren't even sexual, they are kids. |
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| Gotta love how America shrugs off toddlers dressed as escorts as reality TV entertainment but is uncomfortable with a cartoon in which cartoon kids in a fantasy world are briefly naked and say some off-color things to each other. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Oh yeah, it's disturbing as f*ck and that's the whole point. xD But I also agree it feels a little 'fetishy' at times; no doubt Tsukushi is into some freaky stuff...and is probably a lolicon but as long as he's not hurting real children, I don't really give a crap. I don't think the scenes are overwhelming enough to ruin the story and it is a BIG story chock full of creativity. Tsukushi's imagination seems limitless; a perv or not, he is insanely talented. |
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Black_Sheep97 said: I don't think the scenes are problematic cause they are interwoven into the story. I agree. But I think it could be 'problematic' in the sense that it makes people avoid the manga. It is a shame but some are just so sensitive about stuff like this. |
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Black_Sheep97 said: Chiibi said: well that's where you and I differ I don't consider something that makes people avoid the manga problematic,I agree. But I think it could be 'problematic' in the sense that it makes people avoid the manga. It is a shame but some are just so sensitive about stuff like this. Well, I'm just sad that I can't recommend it to certain friends because of that little thing. To me, that's a problem. lol |
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| Yup. The mystery, the abyss, the creatures, the disgusting stuffs and the weird sexualization. All of these are disturbing. You can see it as a bad thing, but for me it made this series stand out. They remind us that "This manga is NOT for kids!" Some people find these scenes disturbing, I understand, but I find this weirdness is what made MiA different than other manga. |
| It actually didn't occur to me even once that any of the scenes were "sexualised". A naked body (regardless of age) is not sexual by itself in any way. I mean, if you saw a naked 90 year old man or woman, people wouldn't get turned on by that... mostly... Some people are. But it's still the same. A naked body in itself is not sexual. Being hung up naked? I'm actually pretty sure that that's a normal punishment from a few hundred years ago. But with the sort of fetishes out there, I'll give you guys that one. Shitting and pissing is also natural human behaviour. It's just something that we are generally embarassed about. And as something embarassing, we also tend to hide it. Just because most mediums hide it and no character in any other manga has to go to the toilet ever, doesn't mean that ever showing it is just there as fetish fuel. In fact, unless my memory is incorrect the two instances where either was shown was first, when Riko pissed herself in pain. And second, the diarrhea part of the flashback in the newer chapters. Fear and pain can both cause you to unload what's in your bowels. Not to mention diseases and illnesses that more people actually experience. Now, for the dick jokes and looking into Reg's pants. I was a 10 year old once. I used to run around at the pool without swimwear. I used to show my "wee-wee" to the girl I used to play with when we got curious. Children don't consider it sexual yet. And it's the adults job to make sure that children don't do anything stupid, because they still have no idea. Reg and Riko have no adult with them. Well, my point is, most of the points are not sexual in my eyes in any way. They are disturbing. That is true. And that's their goal as well. Just because many of the other fantasy world made us more sensitive to disturbing content, doesn't mean that they are instantly just a way to fuel fetishes and sexualise things that are not supposed to be sexualised. Whether something can be sexual or if something is sexual is largely different. |
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