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| Best episode of the new season so far. Had the serious parable overtones and ironic twists. It was almost a little much to me that EVERYone was lying. Even though the Episode title tried to prepare me for it. IE the crazy guy faking it was a bit strange to me. But other characters, besides Kino and Hermes, have always been a bit strange. It fits into the tall tale aesthetic of the story. More like this please. |
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| Am I supposed to be like, wow I knew it all along everyone is lying! Is that supposed to be the enjoyment of this show? Quirky little things like this? What a stupid fucking show lol. Dropped. Only stuck around thus far because this is supposed to be some top tier show. Snoozefest in reality. |
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| So Ernest Hemmingway drove a dirt bike and became president of the first country? Or am I the only one that picked up a massive Hemmingway vibe on the first part of this episode? Anathor said: The way she sent him away made me rofl, "hey I heard an engine in the distance..go!" he dashed off without thinking twice. Which was also just a role he was playing. Seemed like all three of them were in on it: the princess, the hero, and his blonde friend from the pub. But at least the princess does not seem to know the hero knows, and the friend either doesn't know too, or is a true MVP. Mezo-RPWPA said: I knew it, I knew that he was faking it as well :D I love this anime so fucking much :D Can't wait for the next episode. TheHopefulOtaku said: The most fucked up and disgusting episode of this series by far. Everyone's a liar, and they're happy with it. Kino's positive reaction and the music further reinforces that it's apperenlty good for everybody to be lying to each other. Little confused by the ending. Does the man know everything? That the woman whom he's living with is actually his lover, the princess? Slightly disturbing though/as well, how seemingly no-one seems to have any issues with sacrificing the royal family's doubles, or the princess continuous reliance on a rather extensive spy network of dubious character. |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
Laionidas said: So Ernest Hemmingway drove a dirt bike and became president of the first country? Or am I the only one that picked up a massive Hemmingway vibe on the first part of this episode? Anathor said: The way she sent him away made me rofl, "hey I heard an engine in the distance..go!" he dashed off without thinking twice. Which was also just a role he was playing. Seemed like all three of them were in on it: the princess, the hero, and his blonde friend from the pub. But at least the princess does not seem to know the hero knows, and the friend either doesn't know too, or is a true MVP. Mezo-RPWPA said: I knew it, I knew that he was faking it as well :D I love this anime so fucking much :D Can't wait for the next episode. TheHopefulOtaku said: The most fucked up and disgusting episode of this series by far. Everyone's a liar, and they're happy with it. Kino's positive reaction and the music further reinforces that it's apperenlty good for everybody to be lying to each other. Little confused by the ending. Does the man know everything? That the woman whom he's living with is actually his lover, the princess? Slightly disturbing though/as well, how seemingly no-one seems to have any issues with sacrificing the royal family's doubles, or the princess continuous reliance on a rather extensive spy network of dubious character. why is it disturbing tho? the people believed that they got rid of the horrible family and no one knows about what happened other than the 3 important characters. |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
Mezo-RPWPA said: why is it disturbing tho? the people believed that they got rid of the horrible family and no one knows about what happened other than the 3 important characters. The princess set up, and the hero threw a grenade at an innocent family, so they could continue their happy lives of lies. How does the unimportant people not knowing about this make it O.K.? You could say it is understandable. It is understandable that the princess rather has a random replacement family blown up, rather than her own. It is understandable that the hero is happy to know he blew up a random replacement family, rather than his lover and her family. That doesn't make it O.K. though. |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
Laionidas said: Mezo-RPWPA said: why is it disturbing tho? the people believed that they got rid of the horrible family and no one knows about what happened other than the 3 important characters. The princess set up, and the hero threw a grenade at an innocent family, so they could continue their happy lives of lies. How does the unimportant people not knowing about this make it O.K.? You could say it is understandable. It is understandable that the princess rather has a random replacement family blown up, rather than her own. It is understandable that the hero is happy to know he blew up a random replacement family, rather than his lover and her family. That doesn't make it O.K. though. the hero thought he killed those guy and that they were bad people, and he only knew that they weren't the real family after the girl returned. About The other family being torn apart, have you ever heard of a body double? they are used everywhere in real life politics so it is natural to find them in a scenario like that. |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
Mezo-RPWPA said: the hero thought he killed those guy and that they were bad people, and he only knew that they weren't the real family after the girl returned. About The other family being torn apart, have you ever heard of a body double? they are used everywhere in real life politics so it is natural to find them in a scenario like that. It's "natural", but it is striking that the princess seems to have known very well what was going to happen and yet shows absolutely no sympathy for them. Then the hero you'd say would feel at least slightly upset upon learning he killed the doubles, while he is sleeping happily with the woman he was supposed to kill, her family who he was also supposed to kill continues to steer a spy network from abroad, and his best friend is one of the spies and probably knew all along. Like I said: understandable but not O.K. You'd expect a bit more emotional baggage with the main actors on that part. |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
Laionidas said: Mezo-RPWPA said: the hero thought he killed those guy and that they were bad people, and he only knew that they weren't the real family after the girl returned. About The other family being torn apart, have you ever heard of a body double? they are used everywhere in real life politics so it is natural to find them in a scenario like that. It's "natural", but it is striking that the princess seems to have known very well what was going to happen and yet shows absolutely no sympathy for them. Then the hero you'd say would feel at least slightly upset upon learning he killed the doubles, while he is sleeping happily with the woman he was supposed to kill, her family who he was also supposed to kill continues to steer a spy network from abroad, and his best friend is one of the spies and probably knew all along. Like I said: understandable but not O.K. You'd expect a bit more emotional baggage with the main actors on that part. well ... the story is set some years into the future, and when The waifu meets him he had already known about the whole thing before, so it's obvious he won't be feeling all that sad for them for more than a couple of years, besides that is their job you know so it's obvious that they knew they would be dead at any time. |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
Mezo-RPWPA said: well ... the story is set some years into the future, and when The waifu meets him he had already known about the whole thing before, so it's obvious he won't be feeling all that sad for them for more than a couple of years, besides that is their job you know so it's obvious that they knew they would be dead at any time. But it's not how people work, and the original narrative of the hero losing it over presumably killing his lover was build on people not working that way, so even though those were lies, the show in fact still acknowledges that that's not how people work. I'm not saying, I'd done differently, nor that those emotional wounds could not have healed over time, but there's something about the princess' and the hero's attitudes that strikes me as off, like sociopathic off, and it doesn't fit the image the show is trying to create of them. |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
Laionidas said: Mezo-RPWPA said: well ... the story is set some years into the future, and when The waifu meets him he had already known about the whole thing before, so it's obvious he won't be feeling all that sad for them for more than a couple of years, besides that is their job you know so it's obvious that they knew they would be dead at any time. But it's not how people work, and the original narrative of the hero losing it over presumably killing his lover was build on people not working that way, so even though those were lies, the show in fact still acknowledges that that's not how people work. I'm not saying, I'd done differently, nor that those emotional wounds could not have healed over time, but there's something about the princess' and the hero's attitudes that strikes me as off, like sociopathic off, and it doesn't fit the image the show is trying to create of them. not really, if you want them to feel sad or show how horrible things are then they are already doing that by acting like they don't know each other and that has been going on for a couple of years now, the show's main tone isn't a happy one so it's natural to show things in different perspectives and how their lives differs from 1 person to the other. |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
Mezo-RPWPA said: not really, if you want them to feel sad or show how horrible things are then they are already doing that by acting like they don't know each other and that has been going on for a couple of years now, the show's main tone isn't a happy one so it's natural to show things in different perspectives and how their lives differs from 1 person to the other. Eh,.. I feel like there's an extra moral layer that you're missing, but let's just agree that we're not gonna agree with eachother =P |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
| Oh my god! this episode was emotional! |
| Really loved that second part, even if most of it was based on lies, it had something more to it! Quite liked it to be honest. |
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| I hope that motorrad will find a new owner in that kid. The 2nd half was the best so far. Its bittersweet, but the best bittersweet story so far. The important thing is they're finally together and happy. I wa a bit surprise he knew all along. They're all lying to each other. Heh. The country of lies indeed. It made me smile at the end. |
| when her pike said awry1 in this country is a liar with the i cant believe this voice i started to lol |
JFuji said: This. Stupidest episode of the series so far, along with the scene of the little girl stabbing Shizu.Am I supposed to be like, wow I knew it all along everyone is lying! Is that supposed to be the enjoyment of this show? Quirky little things like this? What a stupid fucking show lol. Dropped. Only stuck around thus far because this is supposed to be some top tier show. Snoozefest in reality. |
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Red_Ranger_Wien said: The second half was kind of stupid, not gonna lie. The "hero" knows everything is a lie but keeps it going anyway despite the fact that it'd be better for everyone involved if he just came clean. yeah honestly, more like for the usual anime viewer who prefers emotional stuff over everything else. I prefer the first half, more symbolic and existential EDIT: Laionidas said: So Ernest Hemmingway drove a dirt bike and became president of the first country? Or am I the only one that picked up a massive Hemmingway vibe on the first part of this episode? Holy sh** dude, now I know why I liked the first segment so much, and why i used the word 'existential' in my post. That's what Hemingway is all about. That old motorrad not wanting to give up and riding on as long as he can, and that young boy with wanderlust who wants to go out in the world, that's Old Man and the fucking Sea right there. And the rest of your posts about the second segment, completely agree. There was something very off-putting about the second segment, something about the logic and thematic sense of it, it was off. You can only sense it if you're not in it just for 'pure emotion' of it, which is unfortunately how most romance/drama anime are constructed. My two cents. |
eyerokApr 18, 2018 6:08 PM
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| @eyerok It should've been no surprise that after almost half a year, the person that picks up on that Hemingway notion, is the person with a Joseph Conrad quote in their signature. Anyway, I think this was actually the last Kino episode I watched. I more or less put it on indefinite hold due to time and travelling. It's still better to live like Kino, then just watch Kino (^.^) Your reply makes me consider picking it up again though. |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
| My favorite scenario yet. It's strangely heartwarming how the two lovers lie to each other because they care that deeply for one another. They'll spend their lives knowing the truth, but living more contentedly in their lie. |
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Laionidas said: @eyerok It should've been no surprise that after almost half a year, the person that picks up on that Hemingway notion, is the person with a Joseph Conrad quote in their signature. Anyway, I think this was actually the last Kino episode I watched. I more or less put it on indefinite hold due to time and travelling. It's still better to live like Kino, then just watch Kino (^.^) Your reply makes me consider picking it up again though. I've been slogging through this version. My overall score at Episode 10 is 6 out of 10. Two more episodes to go. I liked the 2003 adaptation much more. |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| Wait, they actually allowed Hermes to go inside? - I would imagine it would be almost impossible to manoeuvre. I hope the kid manages to eventually ride the motorcycle. For the 2nd story, why would he not just tell the princess, they could just both keep the lie up and eventually make it so he would "give up" on finding his lover and live with the "traveler". Clearly he was alright with knowing that she was a spy during their time together and clearly the girl still loves him. That said, I couldn't imagine living like that, keeping the lie up about her coming back eventually. - I at least hope they'll start a relationship, if they haven't already. Beautiful and depressing at the same time ... Solid episode! |
PrOxAntoJan 24, 2019 5:47 AM
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| Who started the lie first? The villagers or the revolutionist? |
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| Ah the poor motorrad...I hope the kid aspiring to be a traveller gets to talk to the motorrad and ride him/it in the future. The country of liars gets their happy ending...well mostly for the lovers living their own version of their lies which isn't even necessary now, the burden of everything is on the "hero". Ah heck whatever, let them live out their lives with their lies. |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| The first story was pointless, no idea why they put 2 stories in the same episode. The second story was very bittersweet, that man is just pretending to be crazy, I like that twist. |
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| ok so i'm going to have to buy every volume of this because it's amazing as was the 2003 one |
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| Second half of episode: This is my favorite episode. The atmosphere took between pity and lies was very well used, we will rarely see this kind of confusion make sense and so clearly. It didn't surprise me at all to see a discussion forum about this episode. (I've comment too late, I think.....) (My english is bad, sorry) |
| Didn't see that twist coming. In the end this is a band aid solution basically pausing what they have now. They COULD tell each other though. I think that's fine as long as no one else knows. |
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