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| someone know where to start read manga after anime? 116 chapter? |
| maaaaaan how am i supposed to rate this anime after this kind of ending x_x and earlier episodes been so good too. |
| Was expecting an open ending, but this was disappointing. I knew that no girl would win since I'm guessing that in the manga, he hasn't picked which girl yet. Overall, an okay anime. Okay characters, meh story, good animation, OP and ED. 5/10 |
| Help the industry and buy Blu-rays and DVD's. Noragami is the best anime ever.  |
| Am i the only one super upset that he gets to fuck two girls while his friend is alone to watch him be happy? |
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| Remind me not to watch any more uncertain-ending-from-a-love-triangle-anime. So unfulfilling as f. |
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| Nisaka deserved better than this, in the end he was the only one who was upset T_T |
| A good ending wouldn't have saved this anyway so I guess it doesn't matter. 5/10 |
Stark700 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Comparing to Misaki, I like Ririna a lot more from this show especially in these latest episodes including this one. She's selfless and isn't too afraid to speak out her mind. About time Nejima let his own feelings out... To be honest, I think he's an unremarkable main male protagonist that holds the show back but from this episode, he did manage to speak out with his mind more. Also compared to the other kisses between him and Ririna, this episode's had more impact imo. The wedding dresses looked pretty on the girls in this finale. Eh, I think it was a fine show overall. Story needs a bit more work and I got mixed feelings about Nejima's character overall. 6/10. Same rating, and agreed. It was a bit of a let down, but I do hope they would continue. Missing the BL... x3 ehe~ |
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| The finale was exceedingly anticlimactic. I was hoping that the season would be wrapped up in a more conclusive manner. |
| Just let all 3 of them marry eachother. Then they'll be a trio. They fucking deserve it. ...and the world needs to be liberated from that utterly irrational arbitrary ruling of only pairs getting together. Why is polygamy illegal? Religion. Can polyamory/polygamy work? Sometimes, not always. This is an example of a case it would work, because they all love eachother, even the girls love eachother. At any rate, i guess it's been a while since we've had a classic open ending love triangle series. |
GenesisAriaSep 20, 2017 6:49 PM
❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| This anime was a total waste of time, this main is to ....i cant put in words, well honestly i would pick Ririna but thats me, i will give it a 7/10 cuse Ririna and Nisaka are good characters the rest is a let down, oh and that Yajima guy pretty decent too, overall this anime was a letdown, 7/10 .. The End |
| Great ending, they managed to do the Ririna's part well and the wedding dress scene wasn't bad either, if bit cheesy. The last two episodes were actually probably the best in this series, together with episode 5. But... there were way too many flaws in this series: a) open ending (obvious one cause manga is still ongoing but bad thing for anime) b) bad VA directing / sound editing - this was really the bad one. man, it gets even worse when they forced actors to have high pitched voices and in turn changing character's behavior a lot. The only one who was great was HanaKana I guess, even though it got better in the end. The weird high volume out of place music sometimes still bothers me a lot though. c) inclusion of some optional tankobon extra chapters was nice but it totally bombed proper story developement as viewers were shown (and spoilered) some things beforehand and didn't have to guess their motives in some scenes (Nisaka's gayness for example). d) very static animation even though the art was nice. no use of angles or clever camera shots to portray emotions to the point it some scenes were devoid of it. The only exception to this point was great ep11 which was directed by someone really skillful and was very emotional. e) a lot of skipping and rushingtowards the end. As I said, the last two eps were probably the best but then what was the point of watching this series if there was lack of proper character motivation and some kind of punch line/bottom line and theme for whole the series. Not even predetermined marriages were questioned and the rest was like your ordinary romance story with no real difference. The lack of final choice is even worse in this case and it would be a lot better if he choose one in the end. f) rush. some scenes were omitted while others didn't have proper depth. this one is pretty obvious. Shuu is one example of that as her role in this anime was pretty pointless but we didn't even get Nisaka's brother and his wife backstory or some other important even. It wasn't too bad but it wasn't good either. 6/10 (would be five if not for good the last two episodes) The manga is a lot better in comparison with anime so I recommend reading that instead (but yeah, still really naive at times). The only thing that could save this series is proper season 2 sometimes but seeing as the manga is just advertisement for Mangabox app and its tempo is hellish I can't see that happening for another two years or so. |
| yeah idk about this ending. I know anime is created to sell the manga but this ending was just so half-assed, kinda felt cheesy. however Ririna getting more development was good. |
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| WTF?! Ugh, I had such high hopes for this show, but that ending just crushed them all. Not only was there no resolution as to who will end up with who, but so many things were left unanswered. What were all of Misaki's lies? Why did it seem like Misaki and Nisaka knew each other? Why did they even bother including the fact that Nisaka had feelings for Yukari, just for more drama? |
| SOOOOO MUUUUUCH KISSIIIIIING... Kind of awkwardly... Must be hard to love two people at the same time. Anyway, with that, this anime reaches it's conclusion and I'm... kind of disappointed but also happy at the same time. I mean, I love happy endings and all, but... I wanted more drama, I wanted him to have to really pick one of them, and he didn't, he just went with both of them and I feel like thats a very cheap way to end it, but still, I did enjoy it. 6/10. |
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| Nisaka best bro because he isn't a pos of shit like the rest of the cast. This was still entertaining to watch because the actual romance was very warm and the drama was tugging. The ending was terrible. Romance fans will love and hate this. |
Maneki-Mew said: Thank you very much! I'm so glad someone had the same thoughts. It would have been different for both, if they were friends for five years, but he had to introduce himself in the first episode. XD Few seconds later they were like: I want to be with you forever! Ironically, the yaoi Negima x Nisaka pairing is the most realistic of the show. The two of them had been friends and were much closer than Negima was to either of the girls. GenesisAria said: Just let all 3 of them marry eachother. Then they'll be a trio. They fucking deserve it. No, dude. This is not White Album 2. In this case, a threesome ending is not the the one I can support. The MC is too naive. I can almost get behind a yuri Misaki x Ririna thing, but in the end I don't think any of these kids is developed enough in the head to be dating. |
| I really enjoyed this, it was a wall done romance anime. But this ending is terrible, one of the worst endings i ever seen das far. |
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| Ririna was a nice girl - selfless, caring, and loving. ...and that's about the only thing I liked about Koi to Uso. Meh ending to a meh show overall. It had such an interesting premise, but the writing stayed at this very shallow level. It focused on the love triangle, when there were so many other avenues with potential to explore. I remember the show touched on some things when it talked about the red-head girl and that one guy, but it never went further with it. In fact, seemed like that point was dropped altogether. And when it comes to Nisaka, as people in this thread have already pointed out - well, talk about potential being squandered. Why not go into what it's like for a gay man or woman being forced to marry a person of the opposite sex? Explore that. But, nope. Instead, the show continued to focus on the love triangle. Speaking of which, I still cannot understand for the life of me why the MC has three people in love with him. Dude's a dweeb. And he's annoying. He was mostly indecisive throughout the entire series, and it almost felt like he was playing both girls because of how indecisive he was. Open endings are frustrating, but considering how many manga adaptations are doomed to this, it's basically par for the course. Quite frankly, that's the least of Koi to Uso's problems. |
| Never seen a more piece of shit character than this son of a rabbit nejima. 1/10 |
| Not a bad episode, I don't know why everyone is hating it. Welp, this show could've definitely been a really different romance story, but it seems halfway they decided to play safe and go the cliché and dull route. Not to mention that Nisaka's romance was completely left out unexplored as if it didn't matter at all. 4/10. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Eh, first romance series to not bore me to tears in a while. I liked both of the girls but Yukari was such a passive, annoying excuse of an MC. 6/10 |
| I don't see why all three of them can't be together? They all love each other. Literally Ririna and Misaki love each too so why not? |
nx6 said: No, dude. This is not White Album 2. In this case, a threesome ending is not the the one I can support. The MC is too naive. I can almost get behind a yuri Misaki x Ririna thing, but in the end I don't think any of these kids is developed enough in the head to be dating. I cannot describe how much i disagree with this. This entire series has been almost completely unprecedented for mature open understanding of relationship and acceptance of partner sharing. The entire time there was not one spout of stupid jealousy or other nonsensical irrational drama. They were all very clear and open with eachother, and were able to tackle the problem very logically and maturely, whilst not neglecting the emotional factors to contend with. I think you need a few lessons on interpersonal psychology. This is the first romance anime i can recall (and i've seen a hell of a lot) where the triangle could genuinely work as a mutual 3-way polyamory. Any studied into polyamory will always discuss these topic in extent, such as how to make things work, how to help those with higher jealousy reactance to meld in etc, elements of compersion (which was shown a lot here) and so on. |
GenesisAriaSep 21, 2017 5:01 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| People are complaining about the train wreck that is Netsuzou Trap, but I honestly don't think Koi to Uso is any better. Especially the ending annoyed the crap out me. Yukari and Ririna just talked about how they won't be together anymore and right then she suggests to let them practice kissing. My eyes nearly rolled out of my head tbh. Though I'm incredibly biased because I can't stand love triangles. I was actually thinking Miskai and Ririna would end up having feelings for each other because I got some serious yuri vibes from them, but I would be really surprised if we got another non-hetero character. Speaking of Yuusuke - I'm disappointed nothing came out of his feelings. All in all I found it really disappointing. I actually had the manga on my PTR list even before the anime started, but after watching the anime I won't touch the manga. edit: Just read the idea of having it end up as poly relationship. I would honestly be down with that. It might even change my whole opinion of this anime because it would be something really unique. |
| Yukari: I love them both... Nisaka: You suck damn yukari with 2 brides!!! so possible sequel, when? |
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| Nisaka is just jelly. Not a comment of moral superiority. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| Grrr. I liked the idea but this ending is just unsatisfying. :( |
| Poor Nisaka. What an anticlimax. |
| A harem is fine too, I guess. At least it didn't become another Toradora. |
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| @Maneki-Mew You seem to have some false impression of fairytale magic here, so let me mutilate your response... Maneki-Mew said: That's now how that works.- having a crush over an eraser; Maneki-Mew said: So? It's an extreme case but it's not impossible or even improbable. You have a strange conditional impression of love.never spoke to her again for five years: the anime doesn't know the difference between a child crush and love for a person you really know. Or between attraction and love. Misaki doesn't really know him in the first epiosde and vice versa. Maneki-Mew said: They're a bunch of overly pure kids that ask cliche philosophical questions, so what?- there were very shallow questions of "what is love?" Maneki-Mew said: The system is wrong for reasons completely unrelated to what you think. Such a system is possible to make work as it does, as it's based on full indepth psychological profiling based on a system of interpersonal relationship knowledge that is clearly wiser than current mainstream psychiatry. Again you're assuming fairytale due to it being outside your scope of knowledge.- the whole system: it just doesn't work that way. Just because two people would make a good match in theory... that doesn't mean that you have to get along. There have to be more break-ups and people, who just don't like the system for different reasons. Not homosexuality alone. Some people don't want to have children and some others shouldn't get a partner per se, because they are maybe violent etc... Maneki-Mew said: That's got nothing to do with maturity. Being honest in the moment is more mature than wandering around like an idiot asking yourself stupid questions and getting depressed over nothing. I didn't say Yukari was particularly mature or grown up, but he wasn't a bumbling self-destructive idiot.- the confession in the first episode, as I said. That's insta love per it's finest and I thought the very opposite; that's very immature. Maneki-Mew said: Clearly you have no clue what compersion is. One of the most important elements of polyamory is compersion, which is the obverse of jealosy, joy that your partner is enjoying another partner. People like to look down on that because they think of cuckolding and how it's somehow demeaning and pathetic, but there is no stronger emotion in relationships than compersion. It's not inhuman, it's not magical, it's not unrealistic. Not everyone is plagued with jealousy in polygonal relationships. They're something the media thrives off of, and alternative subjects ignored in favour of the 1-on-1 belief system. Jealousy is something that can be mastered, and those who naturally experience compersion instead of jealousy, have nothing to worry about. People in strong and stable polyamorous relationships can attest to all of this with ease.- not enough jealousy there. There are many different reasons why such things don't work and you don't need religion to be jealous and to think that it goes against your pride or something similar. - It has nothing to do with maturity. To speak of "lessons on interpersonal psychology": You can't shut down such feelings of (especially justified) jealousy, but none of the characters has any / not enough. Of course, Nisaka was a little bit jealous in the middle and in the end. That was one of the most natural thing a character has done in this series imo. XD Therefore, the characters feel very inhuman or just unbelievable to me personally. Maneki-Mew said: This is not a standard love triangle, the expressed their love (with less depth than with yukari mind you) for eachother plenty of times. They're both afraid of the LAW and SOCIETY disallowing them both marrying him. Their struggle, and depicted with this weird mating system, is that their struggle is with society, not with eachother. They all WANT to be together, and are more than able to do so, but in japan, you're not allowed to marry more than one person.- The "girls love each other"-solution was imo just there to avoid any of those fights. Maneki-Mew said: As i said, you can't make these claims of unrealistic relationships in your own ignorance. I personally am the type of person who joys from seeing a loved one enjoy the intimate company of another, so long as i know that they don't intend to sabotage anything with it and are also capable of being open honest and true. If i'm not into having sex, but the other is, that's cool, go there for your sex this time, i'll be here to embrace when my company is wanted, or if i get the longing for it and i go ask for it sooner.GenesisAria said: Srsly, but it should have been. ^^" Acting on emotions and being irrational too (or irrational emotions per se) is imo a big part of what makes characters to people. They are acting in the best ways possible... but that's imo the worst way to show them. Having bad communication skills and issues, jealousy, just not accepting, getting into fights etc... everything of that is more believable. The entire time there was not one spout of stupid jealousy or other nonsensical irrational drama. They were all very clear and open with eachother, and were able to tackle the problem very logically and maturely, whilst not neglecting the emotional factors to contend with. ... You don't need to make a rip-off of the unpopular School Days and being so over-dramatical to show such things. XD Maturity is in that they were able to go through their relationships, understanding eachothers' feelings, angles, positions, interest and joy at them... Being able to sit down and try and figure out what to do, because they know the law won't let them all 3 marry (not even something they need to bring up because it's obvious to them), hence trying to seek solutions with honest feelings. They attempted to use lies to solve the marriage problem, but it didn't work because they couldn't let themselves be dishonest when it mattered. They couldn't live the lie of loving but not being together. This reminds me, another important factor of polyamory, is no lies or deceit or failing to mention important things; everyone has to be open, honest, and understanding to prevent any turbulence. Rationality, honesty, sincerity, understanding, are traits of a mature individual. Inability to actualize or problem-solve emotional difficulties and instead lashing out in various ways or lashing at self, is immaturity. So yeah, you don't know enough about interpersonal dynamics with different kinds of people and situations you are unaware of, hence you have much to learn. If you still don't get it, then i can't help you. (forgive all the edits, afterthoughts) |
GenesisAriaSep 21, 2017 4:55 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| Uh, no, your entire thinking here is flawed. People don't fall in love with erasers NOR DID THEY in the anime. The eraser is just a random moment that can serve as a moment of realization. Love is not something you fabricate or necessarily grow, it hits you like a ton of bricks completely unexpecting. I've even had a friend who fell victim to this as well, it's not a matter of infatuation, the fulling force of that love is very powerful. You make love, you fall in love. Love is gravity. Maneki-Mew said: Says who? You? You're the resident love expert, not knowing anything about polyamory eh?You can't go beyond "I think she seems nice and looks good" at your first impression and having a crush from watching them going to your school isn't so much more. You need to, you know, actually talk and bond for a long time, at least a few months imo. Maneki-Mew said: That's not even what happened LOL. She ws fascinated with Misaki's love story, so she talked to her and they became friends.Ririna is also "Oh, I like this girl, go and get her and I think I could like her too" after meeting her once. That's not how it works either. Maneki-Mew said: Them getting loving eachother to start with is a cheesy crush story, everythign after that is very wise and mature.GenesisAria said: So, you are telling me that you believe that cheesy crush-story, but you assume I have this view? ^^"The system is wrong for reasons completely unrelated to what you think. Such a system is possible to make work as it does, as it's based on full indepth psychological profiling based on a system of interpersonal relationship knowledge that is clearly wiser than current mainstream psychiatry. Again you're assuming fairytale due to it being outside your scope of knowledge. Maneki-Mew said: Inexperienced textbook claptrap, current consensus theories, is what i mean. And i said modern, aka still constrained by today's society, but prone to future change and improvement.(And I'm very sceptical about the term "mainstream psychiatry" and I don't even want to ask) Maneki-Mew said: There is no holier-than-thou, you just haven't any idea what you're talking about. I'm not fond of your false sense of certainty and self-righteousness either... you are the one who came to me demoralizing the story, and making a lot of opinionated claims against my statements, and spreading misinformation. Srsly, I don't like this moralizing and holier than thou-attitude either. I'm fine and don't want your help. Thank you very much. ;) Mind my edits in previous post, i clarified a number of things. |
GenesisAriaSep 21, 2017 5:30 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| I wanted more Nisaka tbh... He's better than both girls imo, just why did you have to be a boy -.- besides that , The only thing I'd remember about this show is the Ending song |
| Even by the end Misaki's assigned husband is still unknown, though it's obvious who it will be to make everything work out. No good resolution, just a complicated love triangle. |
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| Well, I have mixed feelings after this... I enjoyed some parts of this show, but at the same time there were various moments when I got really annoyed. I completely fell in love with Ririna. She deserves more than Yukari... she's doing all she can, she wants to help everybody and... well, she's perfect. At the same time I don't know why exactly but I can't stand Misaki. She's got too much attention and she doesn't deserve it. She didn't do much apart from being popular and loving Yukari. IDK, it's weird but I don't like her. BTW, poor Nisaka :S he's the most affected by all this situation abd doesn't get any love lol (well, almost) I'll set 7/10 because I loved Ririna, but it would be 5-6/10. |
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| Meh..... a last episode sprint when our wimpy MC realizes he loves both same but just went with the flow of modeling without confessing, I wasted my time. Average show 5/10 |
Maneki-Mew said: Again, it's not convenient and logical like that.Because, to look more in a more realistic way at it: You can't know that. Maybe you end detesting the person you thought you would love, when you get to know them ... and the only thing that were hit you, were your hormones and sexual drive. There is always this possibility that you don't even like each other. Maneki-Mew said: That is you not everyone. There are 2 ways to fall in love: it either hits you in the face unexpectedly and without warning (not to someone you've never met before though), or you are in love before you even realize it (as you've known them or seen them enough. You don't cultivate love, you cultivate bonds and kinship to strengthen relationship.That point of view completely not understandable for me. Nothing hit me ever with a ton of bricks. It was in a talk like: Oh, I like her and she indeed does look good, let's spend much time together and look where this is going. As someone who's been involved in a number of these situations, having friends fall victim to the emotional hardship of unexpected love, or having people care so deeply for me that they'll sacrifice even though they don't know very well, etc, i cannot accept your bs ignorant replies that show little to no experience on the subject in question. Liking someone as a partner, hanging out with them, getting closer, and then being together for a long time, that's not what love is, and why relationships break so easily. Real love is something that flips your world upside down: it hurts, it brings joys like nothing before, it confuses, it empowers you, it's not something that can be explained, and countless geniuses over the ages have attempted to no avail. If you can explain it, it's not love, because there's no way you understand it more than countless people throughout the ages. Maneki-Mew said: Oh, you're a materialist, think it's all chemicals lul. There is no love at "first sight", and IT DIN'T HAPPEN HERE EITHER. He'd had his eye on her a long time before the scene you seem to think was magical first sight love, that is what you aren't getting.Sorry, I think that's a very old-fashioned way of thinking (and storytelling too). There isn't something like love at first sight. There is something like having a first, sometimes strong sympathy for someone and sexual gravitation at first sight and nothing more. Everything else is just what hormones are trying to tell you. You're too caught up in the dichotomy between two fairy tales: the storybook magical fantasy one, and the pseudo-realism one. Both are wrong, because neither are reality. Maneki-Mew said: See, people aren't actually obsessed with freedom, people don't care about being free, they just don't want to to be forced to do things they don't want to do. If a system obliged them to do what they wanted to do anyways, they wouldn't complain. It's not freedom people want, it's oppression they don't want. If a system like this was employed idealistically, then nobody would complain, because nobody would be dissatisfied with the results. That said, it should be something you can opt out of after a test period, and put back into the system for reevaluation.The governmental system on the other hand: Even IF this would work, people want to protect their personal freedom and their personal own free will from a "higher force". Maybe I'm just too European and the societies here are far more individualistic, but I can't believe that either. Sorry, but you're the type of person that's damaging human decency with your dogmatic narrow-minded views. ps: none of this is personal attacks; there's merely refutes to your ill-founded beliefs. pps: i don't believe anything, i just go by what i know or don't know or hypothesize. I stand by my original statement: they're more than capable of being a very stable and happy threesome because of mutual love and compersion. |
GenesisAriaSep 22, 2017 8:04 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
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