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| We are now on episode 4, and there is still no sign of my brilliance. F/A will be a failure among failures if Kotomine Kirei makes no appearance. Even the abysmal UBW knew well enough to include me. 1/5 Terrible |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
TrueKireiPriest said: At least there is Shirou Kotomine, you know :)We are now on episode 4, and there is still no sign of my brilliance. F/A will be a failure among failures if Kotomine Kirei makes no appearance. Even the abysmal UBW knew well enough to include me. 1/5 Terrible |
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Illyricus said: TrueKireiPriest said: At least there is Shirou Kotomine, you know :)We are now on episode 4, and there is still no sign of my brilliance. F/A will be a failure among failures if Kotomine Kirei makes no appearance. Even the abysmal UBW knew well enough to include me. 1/5 Terrible If I wanted cheap imitators, I'd cheer for the Emiyas. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
TrueKireiPriest said: Just remember that the fake is of far greater value, since, in its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing.Illyricus said: At least there is Shirou Kotomine, you know :) If I wanted cheap imitators, I'd cheer for the Emiyas. |
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| People shitting on Siegfried for acting in a way that makes sense in the context of how things go for him in the Nibelunlied. People shitting on Astolfo for acting according to his oaths as one of the 12 Peers. People preemptively shitting on MC because they did not read the original work and don't understand that the Counter Force is using him as an actor to prevent Amakusa from destroying the world, or simply because they let themselves be carried away by false spoilers, summaries, comments and/or opinions third parties fully based on personal preference and ended up being strongly influenced and affected by them. Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" HereticHunter said: I also think that some people here doesn't know a thing about the fate universe Welcome to any Fate-related topic. Where 99% the opinions are complete shit and very uninformed. People saying that they read the source material, Literally bullshit, almost Everyone is a secondary who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. |
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| Wow.. I really didn't spect his death already. I can't wait to see more Ruler. |
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Anon1566 said: Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" You forgot to add spoiler tags for anime-only watchers, especially with the third point. |
mira-pyon said: This theory, however, is negated by the fact that most spirits have multiple class options. In reality, there's a base formed by the character, and their various stats are either boosted or diminished based on the class. As such, class can make a big difference, everything else being equal.HereticHunter said: the Berserker servants is a 50/50 class, where they are strong against every class (except Shielder) but is weak against every class too. this also means that both Saber and Archer classes has their advantages against other classes pls make your homework... thanks the episode was allright, Sigfried was very nice at the end... Press 'F' to pay respects Please don't use FGO class triangles to talk about actual servant interaction. Berserkers tend to be OP because they have Mad Enhancement. Sabers are just considered to be in the best class in general - realistically, this is probably due to the popularity of swordsmen in history and myth, or some bullshit like that, and popularity affects a Servant's OP-ness. And the only OP Archer we've seen in Fate so far is Goldy, who is barely an Archer. Sabers are considered the "best" because they get the most well rounded class bonuses (that and plot armor). Berserkers appear OP because of their excellent physical stats, but they're actually weaker overall than they appear. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. |
ErwinJAJul 23, 2017 3:54 PM
Illyricus said: Just remember that the fake is of far greater value, since, in its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing. Yes, but the truth is far more important than if its real or not, and the truth is that Fate/Apocrypha and that albino Shirou deserve nothing more than the agonizing release of death - which will be bestowed on them. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Anon1566 said: HereticHunter said: I also think that some people here doesn't know a thing about the fate universe Welcome to any Fate-related topic. Where 99% the opinions are complete shit and very uninformed. People saying that they read the source material, Literally bullshit, almost Everyone is a secondary who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. I noticed Sigh I'm starting to believe that actually some people just want to find blind reasons on what to hate over an anime |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Anon1566 said: People shitting on Siegfried for acting in a way that makes sense in the context of how things go for him in the Nibelunlied. People shitting on Astolfo for acting according to his oaths as one of the 12 Peers. People preemptively shitting on MC because they did not read the original work and don't understand that the Counter Force is using him as an actor to prevent Amakusa from destroying the world, or simply because they let themselves be carried away by false spoilers, summaries, comments and/or opinions third parties fully based on personal preference and ended up being strongly influenced and affected by them. Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" Pretty much every FATE series anime thread. FATE series often have a slow start with the main plot point not revealed for a while. But secondaries are so impatient that, unless everything is explained to them in minute one, they can't follow the story. Just wait until F/E, these threads are gonna be cancer. Everyone fkng LOVED Alexanders stupidity, but when another character has their own personality and hardships they can't believe it. "Who would ever sacrifice themselves for someone else?!" It's almost as if these heroes have literal books written about them already detailing their personalities and trials, and they may act in accordance to those. Those characters rarely need to grow, because they are already complete characters, just in a different setting. |
KetuekigamiJul 23, 2017 5:10 PM
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| Siegfried's ending... He should have had a better servant. From the first episode, he'll be back. Since his master doesn't have a servant, I want the Yggdmillennia to dispose of him. Black's archer is a badass and I'll loved red's rider as well. Their brief fight was great. Atalanta (red's archer) had her moment and Frankenstein has immense strength. Astolfo is keeping his pride and honour. He shined in this episode. Good episode. That smiling Jeanne d'Arc shot 10/10. |
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| The fights was pretty cool. How nice of Siegfried to give his life to the homunculi. Now Ruler is going to watch over him. |
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| Kinda annoyed some of heroic spirit are not "full power" because they are not Saber/Archer/Berserker class Lolimancer said: ZBlastHistory said: Extra and Extra CCC. And Lancer is the strongest this time around regardless.Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? I pretty sure Saber and Berserker on Extra are really strong especially Saber |
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| i swear the sound effect is worse than *CLANG* |
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| goodbye siegfried for now?.. he didn't deserve the hate the memes and the cruse of being unlucky with his chosen master. power strengths are hard to make out lol 1 star berserker holding his ground and this rider i've never seen before is able to take on two servants at once good on Astolfo for sticking his own Principles |
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| i respect astolfo and siegfred more this eps at first i thought all the servants in black would cruel and totally obey but seeing small differences between them provides an interesting premise as shone here siegfred did a noble honor by saving the homunculus's life came unexpectedly a very nice touch |
| I can't even express how much I respect Siegfred and Astolfo right now....I liked them both already but now I can't help but love them both The action scenes were great as usual but I was kinda disappointed that Spartacus' master didn't do much with him and just let him die/get caught....He seemed like he would have been a real savage if he used his Noble Fantasm The little bout between Red Archer and Rider vs Black Berserker and Archer was pretty neat and I love how Red Rider (Muh boy Achilles) and Black Archer (Chiron) know each other (Obviously because they're both in Greek mythology)....I wonder how durable Achilles really is in this series though Great episode overall with such a perfect final scene, and I always wondered what was the deal with the homonculous looking young and older in the OP and now I have received my answer lol (I kinda wanna ship him with Jeanne now lol) |
Lolimancer said: The strongest in Extra is technically a secret boss, or the final boss. Either way the strongest in both those games is a spoiler and not one of the original 7 classes. I am talking about talking about why only Saber/Archer/Berserker allowed to have "full power" of heroic spirit |
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| Honestly, I thought the first 3 episodes were horrible. A bunch of boring exposition and confusing fight scenes. This episode however seems to have improved A LOT. It felt much more narrowed down in terms of cast interactions and was a lot easier to keep up with. The ending scene with the transfer of the heart was actually really cool. I hope that the series continues to prove me wrong and actually turn into something enjoyable. I doubt it will be on par with anything from ufotable but still I do see potential in it. |
| Honestly, I thought the first 3 episodes were horrible. A bunch of boring exposition and confusing fight scenes. This episode however seems to have improved A LOT. It felt much more narrowed down in terms of cast interactions and was a lot easier to keep up with. The ending scene with the transfer of the heart was actually really cool. I hope that the series continues to prove me wrong and actually turn into something enjoyable. I doubt it will be on par with anything from ufotable but still I do see potential in it. |
| I hope him and Jean survive this war and live on as romantic partners (shipper here). |
Hinata-chiJul 23, 2017 8:55 PM
| Nooooo, Siegfred is already gone. He seemed like a really promising character 😔 But his master was annoying though, so hopefully he'll get a lot less screen time from now on. Speaking of screen time, I hope we see more of Atalanta. I love her character design :D That metal-sounding sound effect isn't too bad when it isn't as loud as last episode. Hopefully it doesn't return with another big-scale fight. I'm interested on exactly what role the homunculus will play in the war. |
| Well this is definitely different than the other war and I'm interested in how Fate/Apocrypha will turn out later. |
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| Annnd the absolute dredge of trainwreck starts now. Hold on to your butts. Siegfried deserved better than Higashide can write. Now it's time for LN-MC-Kun to hog spotlight and for overall plot to go to absolute shit. 2/5 |
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| Wait, so did the beginning fight between Siegfried and Mordred not happen? Or is he coming back? EDIT: Nevermind, i should've read the thread first. |
IronLobsterJul 23, 2017 11:10 PM
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
| I love the character design of Red's Archer, but I'm team Black for this one. They have lot of compassionate servants. |
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| Massive respect to Saber and Rider of team black. Even if I don't think he was really worth saving. |
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| Nice episode. Cool Servant fights going on. Aka no Berserker taken out. Nice of Kuro no Rider to help the Homunculus get a chance at living. Farewell Siegfried. That was a noble sacrifice. |
Santoryu_XBurnerJul 24, 2017 12:18 AM
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Overall good episode, the fight with Berserker was as short as expected but the second fight was well enough. I just love Archer and Rider of Red, fun characters to have around. And live the climax and how they decided to change things a bit regarding to LN, I see that some didn't like that becasue of certain scene next episode. But I think that scene is going to play regardless as it is one that presents why Jeanne is the best girl. ;) All in all anime is so far so good. And I like how they add new things. After all - Ufotable did the same with UBW anime ( Illya death scene is perfect example ) so why can't A-1 did with Apocrypha as well? They made some scenes from GATE much better than LN and manga ( especially last episode ) so I expect the same here. All in all 9/10 episode, and I cannot wait for one next week. |
| Overall good episode, the fight with Berserker was as short as expected but the second fight was well enough. I just love Archer and Rider of Red, fun characters to have around. And live the climax and how they decided to change things a bit regarding to LN, I see that some didn't like that becasue of certain scene next episode. But I think that scene is going to play regardless as it is one that presents why Jeanne is the best girl. ;) All in all anime is so far so good. And I like how they add new things. After all - Ufotable did the same with UBW anime ( Illya death scene is perfect example ) so why can't A-1 did with Apocrypha as well? They made some scenes from GATE much better than LN and manga ( especially last episode ) so I expect the same here. All in all 9/10 episode, and I cannot wait for one next week. |
| Yey the best ship finally on the scene. And fabulousness of Achilles in full color. |
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uhm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiron How can you people enjoy Fate without knowing any mythology. He was his teacher. |
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| Almost every screentime of Astolfo.. makes even better xD |
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| Siegfried's sacrifice was a bit unexpected tbh. I didn't think he'd be gone this early in the game. Oh well, lets see where things go from here. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| Fight scenes were short but the overall direction we're heading wasn't TOO bad... We got some exposition of how everyone and their uncle think this Holy Grail war is strange as fook compared with previous ones. We got some battles between Fran-chan and Nyanta, as well as with Achilles and Chiron. Then of course we had Vlad literally impaling Spartacus for fun. And finally we have Seig finally meeting Jeanne, which I guess will finally kickstart the story as it should. Lack of Mo-Chan this episode was a bit disappointing though. |
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ErwinJA said: mira-pyon said: This theory, however, is negated by the fact that most spirits have multiple class options. In reality, there's a base formed by the character, and their various stats are either boosted or diminished based on the class. As such, class can make a big difference, everything else being equal.Please don't use FGO class triangles to talk about actual servant interaction. Berserkers tend to be OP because they have Mad Enhancement. Sabers are just considered to be in the best class in general - realistically, this is probably due to the popularity of swordsmen in history and myth, or some bullshit like that, and popularity affects a Servant's OP-ness. And the only OP Archer we've seen in Fate so far is Goldy, who is barely an Archer. Sabers are considered the "best" because they get the most well rounded class bonuses (that and plot armor). They don't. The only 'class bonuses' they get are Riding and Magic Resistance and those skills are pretty low-level if one didn't already use something similar in life. According to the material books, Sabers need high attributes/stats all-round, in addition to sword skills, to be considered a Saber, anyway. This isn't in effect with other classes. Apart from that, we know they're the best, at least in the Fuyuku wars, because they've always come out on top. Berserkers appear OP because of their excellent physical stats, but they're actually weaker overall than they appear. Well yes, hence the 'tend' in my answer. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. I honestly don't see why you felt the need to explain something which didn't need explaining. All you've said are useless things which I already know or are simply wrong. I'd understand if you thought I was clueless. But I'm not. So my apologies for making you waste your time. |
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emi1998 said: I'm more familiar with eastern mythology rather than western one.uhm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiron How can you people enjoy Fate without knowing any mythology. He was his teacher. Thank for the link anyway. |
ZBlastHistory said: Lolimancer said: The strongest in Extra is technically a secret boss, or the final boss. Either way the strongest in both those games is a spoiler and not one of the original 7 classes. I am talking about talking about why only Saber/Archer/Berserker allowed to have "full power" of heroic spirit They're not, though. And they don't. |
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| This is starting to feel more and more like a Fate anime where they've traded away the quality for quantity Way too many Servants, way too little reason to care about any of them so far. So hard to feel anything for these fights; too rushed :/ PS: If only heart transplants were that easy to pull off |
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katsu044 said: goodbye siegfried for now?.. he didn't deserve the hate the memes and the cruse of being unlucky with his chosen master. power strengths are hard to make out lol 1 star berserker holding his ground and this rider i've never seen before is able to take on two servants at once good on Astolfo for sticking his own Principles Siegfried(Sumanai-kun)gets the hate memes becase of his shit stats in F/GO. Another reason is that when you summoned a gold saber card in F/GO, you thought that it's going to be a 5* saber then suddenly SUMANAI |
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mira-pyon said: They don't. The only 'class bonuses' they get are Riding and Magic Resistance and those skills are pretty low-level if one didn't already use something similar in life. According to the material books, Sabers need high attributes/stats all-round, in addition to sword skills, to be considered a Saber, anyway. This isn't in effect with other classes. Apart from that, we know they're the best, at least in the Fuyuku wars, because they've always come out on top. Well technically class affects which aspects of heroic spirit materialize so that sort of counts as "bonus" - Sabers are designed to make full use of their stats and close combat, Archers are all around utility and tactical combat, Lancers all about speed and efficient and fast close combat, Riders are about huge damage and speed, Assassins are about targeting masters and one-hit-kills, Casters are weak in combat but have full use of their magic capabilities and Berserkers are basically any servant buffed in stats at cost of their intelligence and sanity. But again yeah that has nothing to do with actual classes and more with heroic spirits themselves since no heroic spirit is all-around perfect and all have their weak points - a heroic spirit can be weaker in one class than in other due to that, but thats not something a class decides and not some class bonus. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. I honestly don't see why you felt the need to explain something which didn't need explaining. All you've said are useless things which I already know or are simply wrong. I'd understand if you thought I was clueless. But I'm not. So my apologies for making you waste your time. He's also wrong there since FSN berserker would be Stronger in other classes NOT because of some silly "class bonuses", but because he's such a damn powerful heroic spirit and Berserker class madness limits his options Berserkers CAN be self destructive but that is not definition of the class. There's no "Berserker class definition or bonus" - Servants summoned as Berserkers trade their reason and sanity for boost in stats. That's literally only thing that Berserker is. mira-pyon said: fejita said: so any rationalisation for MC not exploding from having a servant core implanted into him? Or should I just do what FGO preaches and forget about consistency for rule of cool? The idea is that he's already an empty shell, with no real personality nor identity. Hence, the heart doesn't clash with an already established being. So like Shirou then.... :^) AKA |
AhenshihaelJul 24, 2017 6:01 AM
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| The Archer class is finally made up of Archers. I like em both... What i don't like however is the fetish-zation of Astolfo. He would've been a much better Character if he wasn't fetishized. And lol the ending. I can already see why people say Sieg destroyed F/A. That was so wtf. |
| Siegfried was awesome. |
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