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suzuya_mitsuko said: Strawberrycake48 said: In the middle of Monogatari now (after much reluctance) and I can vouch for this 100% I think I'll hate the Harem genre even more after seeing the potential they could be fulfilling. How many harem anime do you know that has the MC actually get with a girl at the beginning yet still somehow maintain a harem? Pretty sure there are still shipping wars. Now all I need is the Reverse Harem equivalent and I'll be happy lmao Dude, that's just sad. Monogatari series is focused on mystery rather than harem. It just sub genre. Of course there won't be any harem remotely like that, if you look only on harem genre. Yeah, and there's a reason for that. It should just stay a subgenre. I don't think there's even a handful of decent harem anime out there, despite all the time those sorts of series have to, I don't know, actually do something interesting with their characters. It might even make them more attractive. But hey, TNA don't do much for me anyway since I'm a straight woman, so what do I know? I'm not even the target audience lmao |
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Dendritik said: flannan said: It's impressive how you manage to say "harem comedies", while ignoring the fact they are comedies. Notice I didn't say "harem comedies", I said "harem anime". You're aware of the fact that there are tons of harem series that aren't comedies, I presume? Of course I am aware of that. I am also aware of that your description only applies to harem comedies. Battle harems have about as much plot, characterization, themes and so on as shounen battle anime of the same level. But with more girls and with power of love instead of (in addition to) power of friendship. |
suzuya_mitsuko said: Dude, that's just sad. Monogatari series is focused on mystery rather than harem. It just sub genre . Of course there won't be any harem remotely like that, if you look only on harem genre. Like, ekhm, 90% of 'harem' series? replace mystery with any other genre And of course 'harem' is not even a genre. It's a stupid tag for elitists. |
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Strawberrycake48 said: Yeah, and there's a reason for that. It should just stay a subgenre. I don't think there's even a handful of decent harem anime out there, despite all the time those sorts of series have to, I don't know, actually do something interesting with their characters. It might even make them more attractive. But hey, TNA don't do much for me anyway since I'm a straight woman, so what do I know? I'm not even the target audience lmao Ah, I'm sorry if you mind I called you dude. As much I want too, harem genre is fine to exist. It's a niche genre for us, but it's a mainstream genre for Japan. There are quite decent harem anime too out there. Harem genre doesn't necessarily had bad character. It just mostly, they're like that because the viewer are easy catch (in japan.) |
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flannan said: Of course I am aware of that. I am also aware of that your description only applies to harem comedies. Battle harems have about as much plot, characterization, themes and so on as shounen battle anime of the same level. But with more girls and with power of love instead of (in addition to) power of friendship. If by this you mean that both battle harems and battle shounen generally have pretty much no plot, characterization or themes worth caring about, I'd certainly agree. |
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Kuraokani said: I enjoy the occasional haram like Food Wars, Monogatari and, well, I don't like any other harams. That's not to say that I despise them and the people who like them, it's just that the genres not for me. I guess if they had more intresting stories and more unique characters I'd enjoy them more. I don't think that's what haram fans are looking for though. Why change what you've got when people already enjoy it? Apparently it's popular with some people or they wouldn't make it anymore. Oh by the way, Prison School and the Monogatari series isn't considered "haram". No idea what shows are haram in your religion (and I don't care to know), but I can recommend you Sin: Nanatsu no Taisai. It is so unholy, it will make your priest explode. YaDiList said: iam not hated it just kinda disliked it when it comes to drama, if isn't too dramatic i probably like it though. Why? a too dramatic harem anime it will be endup cliche and boring Dramatic harem anime? You mean something like Key's works (Kanon, Air, Clannad, Rewrite)? They are just a minority among harems. Those who are pure sugar are also somewhat rare, but I like them. YaDiList said: plus it will be the best if it's doesn't have-or most likely have less vulgar shots/scenes, and not beings racist nor trolling here but what could i expect. otaku especially japanese will said like this "Harem anime without pantie shot? pfttt... boring" (am really apologized brothers for my word) so, it's rare to have harem anime without an ecchi genre tagging along with it First, harem anime are more likely to get "ecchi" tag when they're not particularly ecchi. Second, Nisekoi is one of the most popular harems, and it doesn't have any pantyshots (and lacks sexual fanservice in general). And it got a second season, which goes to show it was popular in Japan too. Japanese people don't have much understanding of racism, so I can give you no guarantees you will not encounter any in any anime. Maybe Centaur's Worries will fix things. But most likely it won't. Dendritik said: flannan said: Of course I am aware of that. I am also aware of that your description only applies to harem comedies. Battle harems have about as much plot, characterization, themes and so on as shounen battle anime of the same level. But with more girls and with power of love instead of (in addition to) power of friendship. If by this you mean that both battle harems and battle shounen generally have pretty much no plot, characterization or themes worth caring about, I'd certainly agree. It's up to you what you consider worth caring about. But yes. |
rsc-pl said: Like, ekhm, 90% of 'harem' series? replace mystery with any other genre And of course 'harem' is not even a genre. It's a stupid tag for elitists. Read my post earlier. IMHO, Harem is a genre. Genre is a convenience to differ. You can tell a harem show and a show with harem. Harem show : - Hachi Ichi - Infinite Stratos - Hundred - Masou Gakuen HxH Show with Harem genre: - Monogatari - Yahari Oregairu - Classroom of Elite etc. |
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| Harem is the genre I hate the most. I don't even mind watching or reading Yaoi TBH. Harems have the densest MCs, no proper conclusion, if there is a conclusion your favorite girl never wins, the most cliched story and characters (childhood friends ewwwww) and basically no plot. Although there were a few Harems that had something different to offer like Hagani (weird characters), School Days (the ending), DxD, Hayate to name a few. And the worst of the worst are reverse Harems. Don't even wanna get started on those crap. The only harem that stood out me was The World God Only Knows (the manga). Katsuragi was a complete different character imo, although my favorite girl didn't win, it had an ending that took me by surprise (the girl he chose) and great comedy. The best would be Key's works (Clannad, Kanon) if they are considered as harems. |
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| @BakaSenpaii same for me twgok is the only harem who stand out even that it have a garbage ending i wanted an elsie or tenri ending :/ but a harem where the best girl wins don't exist and maybe will never this is why harems work better in visual novels |
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MangoAllergy said: I think it's just because most harem media are poorly executed. I don't think any studio that has made any great releases has tackled the harem genre, nothing I can remember from the top of my head anyway. There might be some hidden gems but they're easily drowned out by the terrible ones. Fanservice is a pretty easy way yo make money. Well, I have no idea what you mean by "great releases", and so I just looked at your favorites. J.C. Staff, which made Shimoneta, has made their share of harems, like Zero no Tsukaima, Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko, Arcana Famiglia and Hidan no Aria (why isn't it marked "harem"?). Kyoto Animation, which made Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, Chuu2koi and Clannad, doesn't have any anime marked "harem" on MAL. Which is weird, because I'm pretty sure Clannad is supposed to be a harem. And SHnY should be marked as such too. And Musaigen Phantom World. Well, I guess when Kyoto Animation tries to make a harem, it ends up not haremy enough to get a tag on MAL. Madhouse, who made Overlord, did ChäoS;HEAd and Ichigo 100%. And a bunch of other anime not marked as harems like Overlord or Mahouka or Oda Nobuna no Yabou. And I got tired at the second page of their shows, and they seem to have 2 more. White Fox, who made Steins;Gate (which some people describe as harem), made Utawarerumono: Itsuwaki no Kamen and Tears to Tiara (which aren't marked as harems either). A-1 Pictures, who made Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai, made a lot of popular stuff like SAO, Gate and Oreimo (which aren't marked as harems), and stuff that is actually marked as harems, such as Asterisk, Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata, Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru. Overall, MAL seems to have some problems with properly marking harems. suzuya_mitsuko said: rsc-pl said: Like, ekhm, 90% of 'harem' series? replace mystery with any other genre And of course 'harem' is not even a genre. It's a stupid tag for elitists. Read my post earlier. IMHO, Harem is a genre. Genre is a convenience to differ. You can tell a harem show and a show with harem. Harem show : - Hachi Ichi - Infinite Stratos - Hundred - Masou Gakuen HxH Show with Harem genre: - Monogatari - Yahari Oregairu - Classroom of Elite etc. In other words, you arbitrarily assign this division depending on whether you like a show or not. Note how Infinite Stratos and Hundred are action shows with harem components. |
flannan said: In other words, you arbitrarily assign this division depending on whether you like a show or not. Note how Infinite Stratos and Hundred are action shows with harem components. You probably see my list. But no. XD I will explain if you don't mind reading it : |
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AhmadJR said: @flannan What about the main character, they always have a lack of confident and very Normal And then guess what, the most beautiful girl pops and tell him "I always loved you" That's why I hate harem lmao , he dont even chose her in the end |
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| - They don't gave us reasons to why all girls fall for the MC other than because he is the protagonist in a harem anime and so all the girls are figthing to get into his pants. - Dense and one-dimensional characters. Rely too much on character archtype - I find most of the comedy unfunny There are exception to this like Monogatari series I guess (I'm not a fan of it simply because harem is just not my kind of anime after all but at least I know it's a good harem anime) |
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AhmadJR said: @flannan What about the main character, they always have a lack of confident and very Normal And then guess what, the most beautiful girl pops and tell him "I always loved you" That's why I hate harem This is an unfair generalization. 1) While there is indeed a lot of protagonists who claim to be normal (outside of harems too), many are quick to prove themselves more than that. Whether they're surviving supernatural battles with just their wits and plot armor, reveal extraordinary powers or just have a personality that makes the world around them a better place. 2) Stories heavy on wish fulfillment often feature confident and mighty protagonists who get all the girls. These stories are harems too. Dark Shneider, the titular character of anime Bastard, gets a special mention for his plans to take all the girls in the world for himself. 3) And there are many cases in-between. Protagonists who are actually good-looking (whether cute like Negi Springfield or tall bishounen like Kyon), cool and popular guys who aren't exactly a wish-fulfillment fantasy, protagonists with obvious personality flaws - all kinds of protagonists. |
Shicchi said: - They don't gave us reasons to why all girls fall for the MC other than because he is the protagonist in a harem anime and so all the girls are figthing to get into his pants. This. According to an interview with Hideaki Anno, most anime makers are autistic. Perhaps, that is why we see all the girls like the MC for no reason even though he's just average(or below average) just because he's the MC or the MC show a bit of kindness then the girls just fall for him. Here's the interview with Anno. The part I quoted is on the lower right of the article. |
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| Harem anime are often riddled with annoying cliche's. "Beta" MC, tsundere loli, just to name the things I hate the most. They also pander to the lonely people who self-insert into the MC's place, which can be boring and very unappealing to a lot of people, me included. Most of the time, they're all basically the same. The harem anime where the MC doesn't choose a girl by the end is so frustrating too. |
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| There are only 3 harems that i have liked. Shuffle (actually pick a girl) zero no tsukaima (nostaliga??) Oreshura (don´t even know why) |
tragedydesu said: Because the best girl never win Every harem with a tsundere ending must be burned in hell Childhood friend never wins onee sama never wins incompetent beta cuck mc |
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| Love rivals are hatefull, harem makes it worse |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| Harems usually have a bland, generic, self-insert MC. The girls are drawn well, but there isn't much actual story or character development. There is, however, a lot of plot I though Fruit of Grisaia was interesting because the MC was a badass with really deep backstory. And the other girls had interesting backstories as well; Ouran HS club had good characters as well. And yeah, people expect their girl to win, but she usually doesn't because the odds are against her or you get an open ending where no one does. |
iSpadeNov 3, 2017 6:44 PM
| Is D-Frag a harem ? If it then it would be my favorite of its genre alongside Monogatari. Harem like everyone said is very cliche, generic most of the time that exist to show 'plot' but i don't mind it as much as other people. |
| Because we're stupid that we love to have fun |
| Most of them have debatable plots and retarded characters. If even the humor is meh then there is no reason to watch them for me. |
| i love harem series,but i can guess why other people may dislike the. -huge majority of harems are generic at a tragic level. -you either love their endings or hate it. -most of the mc in harems are grass eating pussy. but there are exceptions too. |
| I kind of dislike harem, but doesn't really mind it if the plot still progressing... But, in the end I still not fond of it because best girl rarely wins... |
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| There's only one harem anime that I've enjoyed, and that was Shoujo Sect. All other harems I've seen have had super cliched characters and unrealistic romances. I don't hate harems for being harems, I hate them because for some reason every single one I've seen besides Shoujo Sect has just been awful. |
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| because its a trash self insert genre, just like isekai also monogatari is bad as well, overrated |
BestBoiErenJan 31, 2019 6:10 AM
| It's not like we hate harem anime. What we really hate are DUMB mc, a terrible plot and lastly childhood friend never wins š¢ |
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| I don't really mind this plot premise. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| Almost two years later: I'm still apprehensive about harems and I still have animosity towards harem fans. But trying to watch DxD is inspiring me to watch the shorter things on my plan-to-watch list, so, there's that if anything. |
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| Well, if you take a series like Gabriel Drop Out, put in a male character that all the girls fall in love with, then it becomes a harem anime. If you remove Keitaro form Love, Hina, then that series becomes more like Gabriel Drop Out. Basically, it's an offshoot of a Teen Girls Bonding/Friendship type of anime, or a teen friends anime or cartoon, (like Archie). The girls, or sometimes guys, may be rivals, but they form strong bonds of friendship or loyalty to each other in the end, in most series. If you want to differentiate anime from cartoons, then the fine artwork and sex appeal may differentiate an anime series form a plain cartoon like an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon series. Harem anime is just part of the anime/otaku culture and should be celebrated as such, as just part of the fun. If anybody takes anime too seriously, they should just stop watching anime and watch shit like The Bachelor instead. |
| It's always unrealistic and cliche and it's always extremely low quality. Because the only purpose for this genre is self-insertion for miserable otaku jerks (or just fap material) |
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