Darek said: Normal people aren't affected as long as they're aware that they're fapping to a piece of paper, but the moment you say "I want to experience fucking my loli IRL", you're clearly not a normal person anymore. It's true that the guy was already fucked up on its own, but anime contributed to foment his fucked up fantasies one way or the other.azoth212 said: Anime clearly influenced his fantasies, he was so cringey he messaged himself with an alt of his school days waifu, then they found out he was a pedo bear because of his usb full of cp he brought along with him, so how would you say it doesn't affect reality? Because it doesn't if he were not capable to do whatever he did (I don't even know who the guy is) he wouldn't, anime or video games have no influence on normal people, I fap to loli doujins and I am perfectly fine, fight me. Kuma said: is everything objectification now? I don't think "one gender casts" are everything. |
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Darek said: And because it doesn't contribute that much it isn't to blame? If it did contribute, there's no excuse. Period.azoth212 said: Normal people aren't affected as long as they're aware that they're fapping to a piece of paper, but the moment you say "I want to experience fucking my loli IRL", you're clearly not a normal person anymore. It's true that the guy was already fucked up on its own, but anime contributed to foment his fucked up fantasies one way or the other. well yeah I can see that but if some pedo were not to watch anime he'd fuck a kid anyways so even if it contributes, it probably does not contribute to it that much. |
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azoth212 said: Kuma said: is everything objectification now? I don't think "one gender casts" are everything. thats you, but other people find other thing is objectificaton for the sake of it... now everything will consider objectification for some people... that's absurd... also all same gender main cast still primaly targetted to their own gender... you already wrong from there... |
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Kuma said: That would mean that shows like love live are targeted to girls, and I'm not sure about that.thats you, but other people find other thing is objectificaton for the sake of it... now everything will consider objectification for some people... that's absurd... also all same gender main cast still primaly targetted to their own gender... you already wrong from there... EDIT: Alright, it's a seinen, which means it's nowhere near targeted to the same gender of the characters. |
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| How can you "objectify" something that was never human or even real? All fictional characters are, by definition, mere tools serving a story. No character has agency ; their actions are dictated by the author, and said actions only serve to move the plot in the direction author has decided, and/or ellicit certain feelings to the audience (whether it is love, hate, sympathy, sexual arousal or anything else). Why would a character created only to sexually arouse the audience be worse than a character only created to make the audience cry? The whole concept of objectification makes absolutely no sense when applied to fictional characters. You can't remove the humanity of something that never was human and that was created for entertainment purpose. Just like you don't cry because dildos are "objectified" by women. azoth212 said: So I can write fanfictions with all sorts of fetishes in them because they're not real? I can write about how every day I fuck my 2d waifu and she's a 13 years old loli with huge breast size? There have been cases of mentally fucked up people who went to jail because of their passionate fantasies, do you know madthad0890? Check out his story before you imply that it doesn't influence reality. Yes you can. In fact, there are litteraly thousands of people already doing that. There are even a lot of female lolicon authors. And the single case of a guy into lolicon becoming a criminal has nothing to do with that. Correlation doesn't make causality. There were several school shooters that were really into CoD, does that mean FPS are bad because they make you kill people? Lolicon is one of the most popular genres in hentai in Japan, thousands of them are produced each year completely legally. Yet they have lower child sexual assault rates that countries like USA and the UK, despite those countries banning lolicon and having much stricter laws regarding child pronography in general. There is 0 evidence that the availabiilty of a fetish increases the chances of comitting a crime. In fact, i would say that it's rather the opposite, someone who is frustrated and can satisfy urges has much more chances to commit a crime. Environments that are the most sexually repressed are often the ones with the most sexual crime rates. You can find hundreds of pedo priests for every pedo that was into anime. Should we ban christianity too? |
YarrowiaJan 20, 2017 6:45 AM
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azoth212 said: Kuma said: That would mean that shows like love live are targeted to girls, and I'm not sure about that.thats you, but other people find other thing is objectificaton for the sake of it... now everything will consider objectification for some people... that's absurd... also all same gender main cast still primaly targetted to their own gender... you already wrong from there... EDIT: Alright, it's a seinen, which means it's nowhere near targeted to the same gender of the characters. are you what? funny things LL have big female fanbase... 45% or something... (IIRC, i read it somewhere on reddit)... look at aikatsu, sailor mooon, pripara ETC.. |
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Kuma said: Well, any idiot can write something on reddit and call it true, if you don't have a more reliable source, I don't think your statement counts. That aside, there's a difference between the INTENDED target and the audience it attracts. Love Live is a seinen, and it's supposed to attract grown up men, no more, no less.azoth212 said: That would mean that shows like love live are targeted to girls, and I'm not sure about that. EDIT: Alright, it's a seinen, which means it's nowhere near targeted to the same gender of the characters. are you what? funny things LL have big female fanbase... 45% or something... (IIRC, i read it somewhere on reddit)... look at aikatsu, sailor mooon, pripara ETC.. |
azoth212Jan 20, 2017 7:06 AM
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| Let's say that IT IS... How is this a problem? |
JustALEX said: You should be burned at the stake for your crimes.Let's say that IT IS... How is this a problem? |
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azoth212 said: Kuma said: Well, any idiot can write something on reddit and call it true, if you don't have a more reliable source, I don't think your statement counts. That aside, there's a difference between the INTENDED target and the audience it attracts. Love Live is a seinen, and it's supposed to attract grown up men, no more, no less.are you what? funny things LL have big female fanbase... 45% or something... (IIRC, i read it somewhere on reddit)... look at aikatsu, sailor mooon, pripara ETC.. love live is original series, and doesn't have actual demographic unlike manga... i don't think you even know how demographic works... i think you can digging in mal post somewhere that given the link and it gathered from japan blue rays sales survey... i got the link from this guy... |
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Kuma said: Isn't the manga called love live? If so, doesn't it belong to the same series? It doesn't matter if it doesn't have a demographic, if it had one, its audience would still be virgin neckbeards.azoth212 said: Well, any idiot can write something on reddit and call it true, if you don't have a more reliable source, I don't think your statement counts. That aside, there's a difference between the INTENDED target and the audience it attracts. Love Live is a seinen, and it's supposed to attract grown up men, no more, no less. love live is original series, and doesn't have actual demographic unlike manga... i don't think you even know how demographic works... i think you can digging in mal post somewhere that given the link and it gathered from japan blue rays sales survey... i got the link from this guy... |
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azoth212 said: That aside, there's a difference between the INTENDED target and the audience it attracts. Love Live is a seinen, and it's supposed to attract grown up men, no more, no less. Males might be the main target audience, but that doesn't mean that they didn't also intended to make it suitable for a female peripheral audience. K-On! is a seinen, but it's still clear in the anime that they tried to make it enjoyable for a young female audience too by removing certain elements of the original manga that were more clearly targeted to the adult male audience (the small amounts of fan service, the references about Mugi being a lesbian pervert etc.) Also, for all it's worth, there are interesting statistics about the genders of anime figure owners on myfigurecollection, and the majority of Love Live figure owners are female even though the hobby is rather male-dominated. Of course it doesn't directly translate to the gender ratio of the anime audience, but it gives an idea (also interesting to see how men and women have different favourite characters) |
YarrowiaJan 20, 2017 7:37 AM
| Saying that ecchi = objetification is a strawman made by people who don't understand shoobangos When a model participates in something like, a lingerie/bikini commercial, she had all the agency, she signed the contract and made that BECAUSE SHE WANTED IT. "But what about in anime?" In anime it's simple: My characters, my rules. There's really not much to discuss. |
Yarrowia said: Personally, I'd call a girl who would like love live for how oversexualized it is batshit crazy or a masochist. Furthermore, even if they try to make it more suitable for a certain audience, it won't change its main target.azoth212 said: That aside, there's a difference between the INTENDED target and the audience it attracts. Love Live is a seinen, and it's supposed to attract grown up men, no more, no less. Males might be the main target audience, but that doesn't mean that they didn't also intended to make it suitable for a female peripheral audience. K-On! is a seinen, but it's still clear in the anime that they tried to make it enjoyable for a young female audience too by removing certain elements of the original manga that were more clearly targeted to the adult male audience (the small amounts of fan service, the references about Mugi being a lesbian pervert etc.) Also, for all it's worth, there are interesting statistics about the genders of anime figure owners on myfigurecollection, and the majority of Love Live figure owners are female even though the hobby is rather male-dominated. Of course it doesn't directly translate to the gender ratio of the anime audience, but it gives an idea (also interesting to see how men and women have different favourite characters) thewiru said: If that model wouldn't wish to be recognized as a whore, she probably wouldn't sign the contract, right?Saying that ecchi = objetification is a strawman made by people who don't understand shoobangos When a model participates in something like, a lingerie/bikini commercial, she had all the agency, she signed the contract and made that BECAUSE SHE WANTED IT. "But what about in anime?" In anime it's simple: My characters, my rules. There's really not much to discuss. If those who produce that kind of anime wouldn't wish to make easy money with borderline porn or super hormonal kids, they wouldn't even think about producing it. |
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azoth212 said: Kuma said: Isn't the manga called love live? If so, doesn't it belong to the same series? It doesn't matter if it doesn't have a demographic, if it had one, its audience would still be virgin neckbeards.love live is original series, and doesn't have actual demographic unlike manga... i don't think you even know how demographic works... i think you can digging in mal post somewhere that given the link and it gathered from japan blue rays sales survey... i got the link from this guy... the anime come first... manga come afterwards... and rely on insult and baseless steriotyping as argument and want to taken seriously... LMFAO http://yusaani.com/l-ra/t-ra/lovelive/2015/09/19/194023/ there you go 43.4% female (30.2% are 15 to 19 years old)... |
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| Honestly, the day I will listen to someone who jacks off to non existent girls will be a long time coming. Kuma said: azoth212 said: Isn't the manga called love live? If so, doesn't it belong to the same series? It doesn't matter if it doesn't have a demographic, if it had one, its audience would still be virgin neckbeards. the anime come first... manga come afterwards... and rely on insult and baseless steriotyping as argument and want to taken seriously... LMFAO http://yusaani.com/l-ra/t-ra/lovelive/2015/09/19/194023/ there you go 43.4% female (30.2% are 15 to 19 years old)... It was a joke if you didn't notice. Kids these days are offended by the least offensive things, wow. |
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| @Kuma, it's pretty obvious to me LL! is targeted at a male audience. It's definitely not for little girls. Even if you say 45% of its fanbase is female (which I doubt), this just shows how most are male anyway. And as OP mentioned, the manga is seinen. They have cute girls, create moe phrases like "Nico nico nii" to increase their moe appeal. Usually idol shows targeted at girls feature younger girls as characters. But Love Live! has a high school cast. Also, even SnK has a large female fanbase, even tho it's targeted at males. OP, I don't think an all-gender cast means objectification. A lot of CGDCT anime aren't meant to be fapped to. They are meant to heal you and relax you after a stressful day of work. And mostly they feature girls because, y'know, boys like girls. Not necessarily in a sexual way, it's mostly cuz girls are cuter and more innocent, which increases the 'healing' and 'light' factors of the anime. Also, I believe in freedom of speech, so, I'd say even though @flannan has a point about the meaning of 'objectification', if you think that's a bad thing, then I believe the best approach is criticizing those anime. I mean not asking for people to stop watching them or for them to be banned (not saying you're doing that), but just criticizing the ideas they promote. I don't think 'objectification' is particularly harmful. It's only fiction anyway. |
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azoth212 said: Personally, I'd call a girl who would like love live for how oversexualized it is batshit crazy or a masochist. How is Love Live oversexualized? Any shoujo is 1000x more sexual than LL. And why couldn't girls enjoy sexualized shows? My girlfriend is straight yet she loved Keijo, Highschool of the Dead and Prison School (including their ecchi aspects), she watches hentai and she has several artbooks and figures of semi-naked bishoujos. Is she batshit crazy or masochist? No she enjoys a little sexiness, and doesn't consider sexuality as something shameful or degrading. It's quite contradictory to call anime sexist for its representation of women, while at the same time saying what a woman should or should not enjoy (which is pretty sexist in itself) |
azoth212 said: Sacredus said: Do you even have the slightest idea about what a SJW is?Another SJW topic. Don't respond, just report. Well, you have no idea what objectification is either, so? |
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azoth212 said: Kuma said: the anime come first... manga come afterwards... and rely on insult and baseless steriotyping as argument and want to taken seriously... LMFAO http://yusaani.com/l-ra/t-ra/lovelive/2015/09/19/194023/ there you go 43.4% female (30.2% are 15 to 19 years old)... It was a joke if you didn't notice. Kids these days are offended by the least offensive things, wow. dude, who get triggered along those thread here? no, i am not offended... i just like "seriously, this is your argument?" starlessn1ght said: @Kuma, it's pretty obvious to me LL! is targeted at a male audience. It's definitely not for little girls. Even if you say 45% of its fanbase is female (which I doubt), this just shows how most are male anyway. And as OP mentioned, the manga is seinen. They have cute girls, create moe phrases like "Nico nico nii" to increase their moe appeal. Usually idol shows targeted at girls feature younger girls as characters. But Love Live! has a high school cast. Also, even SnK has a large female fanbase, even tho it's targeted at males. and cowboy bebop and code geas has shoujo demographic? you must be joking... no, my point is not that love live isn't targetting to male demographic, but demographic is more fluid than what OP think... it also doesn't change the fact lot of series try to broader demographic than focusing their own "look like" demographic... |
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| So I can write fanfictions with all sorts of fetishes in them because they're not real? I can write about how every day I fuck my 2d waifu and she's a 13 years old loli with huge breast size? There have been cases of mentally fucked up people who went to jail because of their passionate fantasies, do you know madthad0890? Check out his story before you imply that it doesn't influence reality. yes you can... exactly MENTALLY FUCKED UP people who even if anime didn't exist, would find some other excuse to end up in jail, as they have always done the fantasy isn't the problem, its how you act on the fantasy, fiction does not make people do anything, people were doing fucked up shit long before things like anime existed and again, the world gets safer every single day, so clearly the increase of "fucked up" media is not an issue theres less crime now in the world than theres ever been in history, get your facts straight, the increase of fiction is not a problem I wouldn't mix borderline porn with action on whatever my anime genre would be, if I wrote a certain genre of books for instance, I wouldn't shove blatant nudity in them because it simply has nothing to do with the plotplot. If I want porn, I watch porn, but I wouldn't be able to watch porn and action at the same time. ecchi is not porn, nor is it a replacement for porn, its a way to show of the sexiness of a character, but its good jerk off material so this isn't even relevant and good for you... some people get turned on by sexual content during action, too bad if you're not one of them @Darek Did it influence him or did his fantasies influenced them? that is an important factor and you have no proof for the first to be correct. well said, my son... its reality that influences fiction, not the other way around still want to claim OP isn't an SJW? Out_SiN said: I don't disagree with that. I too like porn and have my fair share of "strange fantasies", but the experience of watching porn and watching other types of media is fundamentally different, in porn I can usually suppress "thinking too much about" and ignore the real life implications of what's happening. But with other pieces of media, "overthinking" and "over analyzing" usually is part the fun. But that means that when there's portrayal of rape, pedophilia, incest, etc. in media, I tend to be much more bothered by it (though that's not always bad), even when I would probably just ignored it in a porno. you just have to accept the fact that neither is real in that case i actually have no strange fantasies... lol... im not even THAT into porn... a good pair of tits or ass cheeks are really all i need to fap |
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If that model wouldn't wish to be recognized as a whore, she probably wouldn't sign the contract, right? If those who produce that kind of anime wouldn't wish to make easy money with borderline porn or super hormonal kids, they wouldn't even think about producing it. What even... For someone who don't want to be called a SJW, you're not making it any easier. Also, the model knows all things involved and yet signed the contract, your argument is nonsense. And of course anime is to make money, what are you even trying to say? |
Yarrowia said: Because it's clearly abnormal. Would you find a girl who hates her gender sane? What you're stating doesn't even come close to "a little sexiness". She's free to like whatever she wants, but personally I'd keep my distance from such individuals.azoth212 said: Personally, I'd call a girl who would like love live for how oversexualized it is batshit crazy or a masochist. How is Love Live oversexualized? Any shoujo is 1000x more sexual than LL. And why couldn't girls enjoy sexualized shows? My girlfriend is straight yet she loved Keijo, Highschool of the Dead and Prison School (including their ecchi aspects), she watches hentai and she has several artbooks and figures of semi-naked bishoujos. Is she batshit crazy or masochist? No she enjoys a little sexiness, and doesn't consider sexuality as something shameful or degrading. It's quite contradictory to call anime sexist for its representation of women, while at the same time saying what a woman should or should not enjoy (which is pretty sexist in itself) Imaishi said: azoth212 said: Do you even have the slightest idea about what a SJW is? Well, you have no idea what objectification is either, so? Although my definition of objectification isn't a conventional one, I dare say that it isn't that far off the mark. Kuma said: A triggered person wouldn't bother to mind his language, also, English lessons, I believe you misses these.azoth212 said: It was a joke if you didn't notice. Kids these days are offended by the least offensive things, wow. dude, who get triggered along those thread here? no, i am not offended... i just like "seriously, this is your argument?" starlessn1ght said: @Kuma, it's pretty obvious to me LL! is targeted at a male audience. It's definitely not for little girls. Even if you say 45% of its fanbase is female (which I doubt), this just shows how most are male anyway. And as OP mentioned, the manga is seinen. They have cute girls, create moe phrases like "Nico nico nii" to increase their moe appeal. Usually idol shows targeted at girls feature younger girls as characters. But Love Live! has a high school cast. Also, even SnK has a large female fanbase, even tho it's targeted at males. and cowboy bebop and code geas has shoujo demographic? you must be joking... no, my point is not that love live isn't targetting to male demographic, but demographic is more fluid than what OP think... it also doesn't change the fact lot of series try to broader demographic than focusing their own "look like" demographic... thewiru said: If that model wouldn't wish to be recognized as a whore, she probably wouldn't sign the contract, right? If those who produce that kind of anime wouldn't wish to make easy money with borderline porn or super hormonal kids, they wouldn't even think about producing it. What even... For someone who don't want to be called a SJW, you're not making it any easier. Also, the model knows all things involved and yet signed the contract, your argument is nonsense. And of course anime is to make money, what are you even trying to say? Are you saying that all studios are cash cows? Do people only write books and make movies because of money and success? Jesus Christ, if you think they're produced solely to "make money" you should just stop watching them in the first place. |
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thewiru said: he needs a hobby real bad, i'm even worried about his nonsense worryingIf that model wouldn't wish to be recognized as a whore, she probably wouldn't sign the contract, right? If those who produce that kind of anime wouldn't wish to make easy money with borderline porn or super hormonal kids, they wouldn't even think about producing it. What even... For someone who don't want to be called a SJW, you're not making it any easier. Also, the model knows all things involved and yet signed the contract, your argument is nonsense. And of course anime is to make money, what are you even trying to say? |
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azoth212 said: Kuma said: A triggered person wouldn't bother to mind his language, also, English lessons, I believe you misses these.dude, who get triggered along those thread here? no, i am not offended... i just like "seriously, this is your argument?" and now using grammer nazi... i am surprised how low your argument can be.... |
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Are you saying that all studios are cash cows? Do people only write books and make movies because of money and success? Jesus Christ, if you think they're produced solely to "make money" you should just stop watching them in the first place. Are they sold for free? That should answer your question Also >not understanding capitalism |
thewiru said: Are they made exclusively for money? What about niche works that aren't supposed to sell to the general public? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.Are you saying that all studios are cash cows? Do people only write books and make movies because of money and success? Jesus Christ, if you think they're produced solely to "make money" you should just stop watching them in the first place. Are they sold for free? That should answer your question Also >not understanding capitalism Kuma said: azoth212 said: A triggered person wouldn't bother to mind his language, also, English lessons, I believe you misses these. and now using grammer nazi... i am surprised how low your argument can be.... Last time I checked, grammar nazi wasn't something to be used, but rather a living person. |
azoth212Jan 20, 2017 10:13 AM
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| @flannan Nothing about all guy/girl casts inherently falls in line with objectification. Objectification is stripping away human qualities for the sake of viewership. Simply having one gender in a cast has no bearing on this, and doesn't automatically make these characters less human. |
azoth212 said: yes, you, being grammer nazi, instead going to the topic...Last time I checked, grammar nazi wasn't something to be used, but rather a living person. |
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| Objectification completely removes the notion of someone's value as a human being. That has absolutely nothing to do with the gender ratio of a cast. |
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| "Objectification" and "catering the audience", or "I found out about these new buzzwords, let's throw a discussion around them because they are so vague nobody will be able to disprove or actually get my point". Serious answer: no. What a completely arbitrary conclusion. Mind explaining how you got there? |
| I wouldn't call shows like Kimi to Boku or Non Non Biyori objectification. The shows with one male character (or with a sidekick that is ugly or boring), but a million female characters are usually the ones to watch out for. |
azoth212 said: What do you think about it? Does creating a one gender cast automatically make it a show to cater the audience? Don't feel down about the toxicity you're receiving in this thread. I do think it was worth a discussion, though it seems like your general lack of anime watching experience made you come to some preemptive conclusions. All-1 gendered casts don't generally mean anything when it comes to target audiences nor do they objectify per-se. |
| well they try to but there is always a spill over effect.. like the sports anime also attracts many fujoshis too |
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| I put some thought into it and i think it does. But both males and females get objectified so i don't think its a big issue. |
| If you think that casts of all the same gender means it's 100% a fanservice show, you haven't watched much anime. Do you think Zipang is objectifying men? |
| @azoth212 - we seem to have very different ethical positions. If any of the following seems colored by utter hatred, it is because I hate your kind of people, not you personally. Sacredus said: This forum still have any moderators? I know people have their own lives but this SJW topic started 10 hours ago and still had not been closed. MAL forums definitely do not have "no politics" rule. Topics related to social justice and morality can continue as long as they remain something resembling discussion. EcchiLordMamster said: still want to claim OP isn't an SJW? OP is obviously a moralfag, not a social justice warrior. There is a popular meme (no doubt an evil plan of the church) that says that all hatred of free speech belongs to the social justice movement and their political correctness, but this is obviously untrue. For example, @MadThad0890 was arrested on a anti-freedom of speech law pushed by moralfags - the one prohibiting ownership of child pornography. Contrary to what @azoth212 tried to make you think, there is no talk about him ever molesting real children. In fact, analysis of the news report shows that his computer was searched just for voicing his disagreement with the party line on this subject. Surely to prevent discussion and free speech, not because of any concern about real children. azoth212 said: Anime clearly influenced his fantasies, he was so cringey he messaged himself with an alt of his school days waifu, then they found out he was a pedo bear because of his usb full of cp he brought along with him, so how would you say it doesn't affect reality? It did not affect reality - he did not molest anyone. He was arrested for a thoughtcrime by evil totalitarians. azoth212 said: And because it doesn't contribute that much it isn't to blame? If it did contribute, there's no excuse. Period. Do you suggest we sterilize all humans? Sexual drive is the main reason for all rape, statutory or not. azoth212 said: Honestly, the day I will listen to someone who jacks off to non existent girls will be a long time coming. Why are you here then? go to your retirement home or wherever you are, and discuss this with your fellow old men. We here have no problem fapping. Yarrowia said: You can find hundreds of pedo priests for every pedo that was into anime. Should we ban christianity too? Yes, please, do so! Religion is the source of a lot of evil, and prevents even more good from being done! azoth212 said: I wouldn't mix borderline porn with action on whatever my anime genre would be, if I wrote a certain genre of books for instance, I wouldn't shove blatant nudity in them because it simply has nothing to do with the plotplot. If I want porn, I watch porn, but I wouldn't be able to watch porn and action at the same time. Anime is famous for its ability to mix unrelated genres into a coherent whole. Also, a lot of western books of adventure have sex scenes (and japanese ones usually don't). |
flannan said: OP is obviously a moralfag, not a social justice warrior. There is a popular meme (no doubt an evil plan of the church) that says that all hatred of free speech belongs to the social justice movement and their political correctness, but this is obviously untrue. For example, @MadThad0890 was arrested on a anti-freedom of speech law pushed by moralfags - the one prohibiting ownership of child pornography. Contrary to what @azoth212 tried to make you think, there is no talk about him ever molesting real children. In fact, analysis of the news report shows that his computer was searched just for voicing his disagreement with the party line on this subject. Surely to prevent discussion and free speech, not because of any concern about real children. i remember hearing about this guy and i don't really know/remember the story i'd hate to go there, but I'm going to... its America, and hes black... of course he got arrested even if he didn't actually do anything wrong -____- i don't understand this argument people have against touchy subject matter in fiction... what more evidence do we need that fiction doesn't cause people to do bad things other than the fact that the world gets safer every year? graphic content is more accessible and mainstream than its ever been in the past, yet crime only continues to drop? more crazy people were killing each other even before anime existed, why blame anime for anything? when are people going to realize that censorship only increases the problem? |
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flannan said: If your head doesn't lack even the tiniest bit of brain, perhaps you should be aware that my "kind of people" has grown accustomed to it and therefore doesn't give a damn about your "hatred".@azoth212 - we seem to have very different ethical positions. If any of the following seems colored by utter hatred, it is because I hate your kind of people, not you personally. |
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azoth212 said: flannan said: If your head doesn't lack even the tiniest bit of brain, perhaps you should be aware that my "kind of people" has grown accustomed to it and therefore doesn't give a damn about your "hatred".@azoth212 - we seem to have very different ethical positions. If any of the following seems colored by utter hatred, it is because I hate your kind of people, not you personally. I just wanted to get this point out of the way so that I could get to giving more meaningful answers. Well, you're just a living proof that it's useless to talk to an old person, so I'll stop the conversation here. |
flannan said: The fact that you believe my date of birth on the website is real is the very definition of hilarious, and at the same time, all your points lost their meanings the moment you demonstrated that you don't even think twice before spewing meaningless platitudes forth from your keyboard.azoth212 said: If your head doesn't lack even the tiniest bit of brain, perhaps you should be aware that my "kind of people" has grown accustomed to it and therefore doesn't give a damn about your "hatred". I just wanted to get this point out of the way so that I could get to giving more meaningful answers. Well, you're just a living proof that it's useless to talk to an old person, so I'll stop the conversation here. |
| "Now, come here. So long as we hold hands, we won't be separated." |
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