| wtf is this thread.... 1.) how exactly does having more people working on the film make it a more complete medium? In this industry, quality is extremely more important than quantity. Having 100 different type of shit doesnt't really compare well with 1 type of luxury goods. Now I'm not saying that film is worst necessarily, but the point you are trying to make is straight up not coherent 2.) How does exploring certain themes or current issues in society make one medium more superior than another? One thins that is important to note is they are both a form of entertainment. No one watches film to learn about the problems facing our society. In fact, I would say the amount of issues films address is equivalent to anime. Homosexuality (the point you raised), is not a problem in Japan, but NEET is. You don't see western films addressing NEET problems do you? If you want anime, a form of medium strictly made by the Japanese, to address western issues...well...that's pretty stupid. While in the process of creating something, it is imperative to think of the audience. No matter how popular it is oversea, its popularity in Japan would be significantly more important. 3,) if anything, western films dump out more shit than the anime industry. I mean, look at hollywood and their production in the last couple years... The only difference is their scale, but that's only due to popular perceptions. But in terms of quality, when compared to anime, it's about the same. |
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ichii_1 said: It's kept down by people like you. So afraid to admit any that anything not western can be good or better. >muh breaking bad >muh prison break Prison break is a trash show, I'm sorry you feel that way. |
| How to fix the review section, detailed here The average reader (HS level) reads at about 200 WPM. So a 500-800 word review should take 3-5 minutes to read. That's an acceptable length for something you're interested in spending 25 minutes to 4.5 hours of your life watching. Oh, and ANN requires any and all reviews to be 800-1200 words, no matter the length of the show. |
| Aren't all threads on here supposed to be discussion, according to the rules? So why the label in the title? In my experience, any thread that begins its title with "Discussion:" or ends its content with "Discuss." is Grade-AAA unadulterated bait. |
on Zalis said: Aren't all threads on here supposed to be discussion, according to the rules? So why the label in the title? In my experience, any thread that begins its title with "Discussion:" or ends its content with "Discuss." is Grade-AAA unadulterated bait. Way to let everyone know you have nothing to add to the conversation. Good job yo |
| How to fix the review section, detailed here The average reader (HS level) reads at about 200 WPM. So a 500-800 word review should take 3-5 minutes to read. That's an acceptable length for something you're interested in spending 25 minutes to 4.5 hours of your life watching. Oh, and ANN requires any and all reviews to be 800-1200 words, no matter the length of the show. |
| It's not. Just like with movies nowadays you just have to dig deep in order to find them. |
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| because people still writes it down as kids thing, everyone did read picture books in their childhood and all animation relates to it a lot,they are just too narrow minded because here are tons of crappy books and cinema movies it really isn't any better than anime.. and anime isnt that made all these neets there always were people like that, there is good saying that "you can use knife to cut bread or to kill others" so its not fault of media or internet its their own fault |
| This is a very narrow-minded, ignorant topic...people make what they like, and others like it or they don't. Focus on what makes you happy, unless you have nothing better to do. |
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IpreferEcchi said: lol, ppl try to talk about objective value, not something that "u'll like it or not like it" - and we both have nothing better to do rather than comment on this thread twiceThis is a very narrow-minded, ignorant topic...people make what they like, and others like it or they don't. Focus on what makes you happy, unless you have nothing better to do. @bottle "ppl" other than "him" |
karambiaDec 3, 2016 1:05 AM
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| He already admitted is judgement is subjective and biased, there's no point to continue. |
| It's anime > novels > manga. Anime uses sound (voice acting/music), animation (vs. pictures only) and colors. That is why it is better than manga and novels. Novels are better than manga. Haven't read that many manga. But at the moment reading the Ajin manga ... feels too "fast" as in the time you need to read it and the plot that happens in 1 chapter (especially since new chapters only get published monthly). So either Anime to get everything mentioned above (colors, voices, animation) or a novel where you get more plot (more text) instead of something in between (manga). Now compared to western stuff (western real tv series and movies): Depends on what you like and compare. For fantasy set in an own fantasy world anime is much better. There aren't many really good western fantasy movies/series. For normal stuff and if the show depends a lot on emotions (and using facial expressions to show them) - good actors in a real series (instead of drawn/animated) might have an advantage. Edit: If you compare it to western literature (novels) same as with the Japanese stuff. Animated (and the western movies) have more advantages than some novel (only text). Doesn't mean bad adaptions are possible or bad usage of the usually limited time (for a movie where 90-120 minutes are normal usually) is possible. Depends on the directors. (But same goes for authors of novels - they also can do a bad work.) |
LuthandoriusDec 3, 2016 1:29 AM
lawlmartz said: >literally gives a snarky shitpost reply in the post above.Zalis said: Aren't all threads on here supposed to be discussion, according to the rules? So why the label in the title? In my experience, any thread that begins its title with "Discussion:" or ends its content with "Discuss." is Grade-AAA unadulterated bait. Way to let everyone know you have nothing to add to the conversation. Good job yo whew, the hyprocrisy is real. lawlmartz said: But thanks for the opinions, even if you do parade yours around like it's the truth. I'm merely fostering a discussion. lol |
CkanDec 3, 2016 1:37 AM
| Cartoons are for children You didn't know that? |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I honestly can't find a film/series that has a better story than Monster. |
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| eh, i think they are pretty equal in terms of quality. Cinema and literrature have a fucking lot of shit stuff too. Sure, cinema has variety but the same can be said to animes. Cinema also have their moment when it has pretty much become the same fucking thing like right now with the superhero films, their dramatic biopics to let the oscars judges and every ''intellectuals'' jerk off to it or their shittyass annual Maeda and/or adam sandlers movies Same thing with anime and their time travelling or whatever bullshit that happens way too much in animes right now. But they also have their moments even these days. for example Shouwa Genroku Rakugo, Death Parade, Ping Pong, 91 Days and etc |
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| @lawlmartz Your original post is both empirically false and culturally biased. Anime has more contextual variety than western tv, mainly because of the creative ways they come up with all kinds of fantasy environments, whilst still weaving in a relatable highschool plot somehow. See, when you do; video production, you can't do solo or small team projects anymore, you need a studio and budget and stuff. For film you need sets and all kinds of shit. More time and money goes into something the more it costs to make. With that, generally they're made to be more consumable to the general popular: they're crafted to sell. Western film has had more time, experience, and more people willing to gamble on daring projects, thus the medium is more experienced and developed. Japanese anime is actually outstandingly impressive in how it is able to competently stand up to the experience ow western media, despite how young it is. Especially the recent years. In the 80's through 2k, there was a lot of stuff that was very digestible to western audiences and fresh talent. Then is tolled into the mid-late 2000's where it was getting stuck in an otaku feedback loup, where fans wanted to make the things they liked about anime, without understanding fully what made them good in the first place: hence weak imitations. Since like 2012 there has been an exponential boost in quality overall, and a lot of stuff is really grabbing people's attention now. Western stuff likes to think it's superior because of seniority, and the more people roped into the mass media and part of the circle-jerks and so on.. But the fact is that the west is on a downhill lately too, there's a creativity slump, and thus a lot of HD remasters and reboot series and shit like that. Film and TV are generally just limited by too many constraints. Most of you dumbasses don't get how hard it is to make something genuinely good, without breaking pacing, and to fill time blocks or fit budgets. It's like saying "here, your job is to write a story, make it really damn good, and do it in exactly 100 pages, no more no less, full, every page." Also not that the difference between tv anime and anime movies, is the same as the difference between western tv and western movies. The movie originals will blow the tv stuff away just because there is more care put into it to make it right. As far as western tv, i honestly have not found much with competent plot. Anime you can make anything you can draw or animate and do it relatively cheaply, film requires you to either be constrained to reality, or throw your budget into cgi. That's not talking about manga/VN/LN though, those blow both anime and cinema out of the water with design. Only thing that can match them in competence are full novels. |
GenesisAriaDec 3, 2016 7:06 AM
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| Cinema is about twice as old as anime, if not more so (anime really got started as a medium in the 50s and 60s, movies at the beginning of the century or before that). Literature is easily a dozen times older than both of those combined. Of course the amount of history behind a medium is gonna make a difference. Their methods have been refined and perfected and experimented with for much longer, in a larger variety of historical contexts with more time to garner cultural influence. On top of that there are just inherent differences between the mediums that have nothing to do with quality and make them hard to compare. Anyone who's literate can write a book, making a movie already requires more time and money, even a low-budget one, and producing anime has yet different requirements. The contexts in which they exist are also different. Anime, for the most part, isn't big enough to have more than a few titles produced without commercial interests at the forefront of their production. On the other end of the spectrum it costs comparatively nothing to write a book so literature lends itself more to experimental works and taking 'risks'. Movies are somewhere in between, with large quantities being produced for commercial interests but there also being a healthy scene that gives awards and whatnot based on other criteria to movies who often aren't as mainstream compatible as the Hollywood stuff. Anime only has that kind of scene to a much smaller degree as far as I can tell. Almost all anime are series that someone with specific interests has ordered from a studio to make some kind of profit. Or to say it differently, anime as a medium does not have less potential than any other medium, it just currently is in a different stage than literature and film, partly due to being much younger than both and partly due to cultural differences. BTW I think it doesn't even make much sense to talk about 'anime' as a medium and compare it to literature or film as a whole. You'd have to either talk about animation in general, or add specific geography to literature and film as well. Like talking about asian cinema compared to asian animation. Otherwise it's not really a fair comparison at all. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
anime≠cartoons Nickelodeon is over that way > |
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Pullman said: this tbh famBTW I think it doesn't even make much sense to talk about 'anime' as a medium and compare it to literature or film as a whole. You'd have to either talk about animation in general, or add specific geography to literature and film as well. Like talking about asian cinema compared to asian animation. Otherwise it's not really a fair comparison at all. cant wait for the op to not reply to your post |
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| Time to bite and chew. lawlmartz said: Discuss why anime is an immature medium of art, and why it can never be better than cinema or literature. *spits bait* That was too obvious. Add some meat at least! lawlmartz said: Age of the medium completely aside, if you compare the peaks of anime against the peaks of film, it's immediately obvious that film is a much more complete medium. It will be obvious for you, because as far as I'm concerned nothing has achieved the aesthetic consistency of Miyazaki in animated format, Takahata is an equal contender to the old Ozus and Mizoguchis, Kon works on equal if not actually better terms of quality and creativity than David Lynch, Cowboy Bebop is a top-tier sophisticated and stylized show, Monster is one of the most compelling mystery stories I've seen, Azumanga Daioh is a model of comedic timing and characterization, Mushishi is one of the most consistently evoking atmospheres I've experienced in any audiovisual medium, and etc. lawlmartz said: Look at the number of visionary directors and writers in film/literature...now compare that to the number of directors in anime who even have a recognizable style. Doesn't compare. >Looking >Cinema: 120 years of history and a worldwide expansion. Anime: 110 years, like 55 years of ACTUAL history of the current industry, confined to Japan >Cinema: includes animation, and so it includes anime. Anime: doesn't even include all the production in animated format >Literature: not even gonna do this thx bye lawlmartz said: You can expand this to essentially any theme, genre, classification, or otherwise. If it's been done, cinema and literature have done it better hahahaha No. lawlmartz said: but why? This doesn't boil down to a difference in taste, either- it's an objective fact that anime rarely explores certain themes like homosexuality (beyond a purely sexual gratification lens), or even satire, lampooning current events and issues of the society from which it originated- of which there are many, like anywhere else. >Intends to make a serious, comprehensive and objective approach to quality >Talks about lack of a single specific thematic concurrence thx bye 2 lawlmartz said: What anime do you see critiquing Japanese societal problems, that, again, aren't limited to hikikomori/NEET activities? Be that in metaphorical form or otherwise. You haven't seen many Takahata or Satoshi Kon films, have you. You may have not seen the very constant anti-war, techno-skeptic and environmentalist trends in stuff like sci-fi or Miyazaki movies either. lawlmartz said: But why not? Is that because these things aren't popular and won't sell (read: immature artform), or because they aren't salient enough to be considered? Daily reminder that Only yesterday, one of the most blatantly feminist anime out there, was a hit in its airing year in Japan. And that its reach to the Western market was limited for two decades by Disney's absurd censorship standards on menstruation. Also: Yudina said: I've seen a few people making the actually asinine and moronic comment that comparisons between mediums are absurd because they have this idea that cinema/literature is supposed to be broader while anime speaks to a niche audience. For starters, this is demonstrably false. Literature and cinema are often way more niche than people give them credit for. Japanese literature, for instance, is an example of a literature that is by far one of the most parochial and out of touch areas of the literary landscape. Yet for all its parochial, niche, and exotic aesthetics, it manages to tell us something universal. Bach did not believe he was writing music for a universal audience. He wrote music for church. He wrote practice music for his children. In fact, Bach's compositions were at a time where his counterpoint and Baroque style were increasingly irrelevant. Yet, Bach remains one of the three gods of classical music, universal across the ages. The rest of your whole post is amazing but there has to be something inherently wrong at attacking the use of specific comparisons to talk about how broad a medium is and then using specific examples yourself to support a generalization about the same matter. Just saying. Anime is geographically, socially and culturally confined. This isn't as much of a limitation on individual expression as it is a restriction on global terms. Not to say that a lot of the cinema production doesn't fall in very similar tropes and ideas introduced by a few very influential works, but the medium as a whole is absurdly huge and encompasses a way bigger spectrum. |
jal90Dec 3, 2016 7:52 PM
LouM said: does 3D porn count ? :3 cuz that would be hentaii can confirm more people watch porn than hentai so film>anime |
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| Anime = Chinese cartoons So yes, anime = cartoons |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| 1. Average age of the audiences. Anime watchers are younger than film watchers in average. 2. There's plenty of anime that criticize society, such as Kill la Kill, Serial Experiments Lain, Earth Maiden Arjuna, etc etc. 3. It's not immature. The fact that it's an animation is a turnoff for we the gaijins, especially those art critics who live in a society that have a mindset of "animation is for children" 4. Visual Novel>both. |
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inferior to literature This is true. inferior to cinema This is not. Cinema is closer to theater rather than literature. |
| Immature is just the self-proclaimed "mature" guy's definition of fun. Aaaand I wouldnt watch anime if it wasn't fun So no probs |
| You've done nothing but spout meaningless prattle. - Yukino Yukinoshita. |
lawlmartz said: Way to let everyone know you're dodging the question about the meaningless "Discussion" tag. I prefer not to waste my time on "obvious bait is obvious" threads.Zalis said: Aren't all threads on here supposed to be discussion, according to the rules? So why the label in the title? In my experience, any thread that begins its title with "Discussion:" or ends its content with "Discuss." is Grade-AAA unadulterated bait. Way to let everyone know you have nothing to add to the conversation. Good job yo |
| In many ways anime is a superior medium as you can convey images and stories in ways that normal films and television shows are completely incapable of doing. Those mediums have their benefits as well as it may be easier to cause a sense of fear and sympathy with actual people. Anime is considered immature because of our preconceived notion that all cartoons are meant for children(and then overlook South Park, but oh well). That's starting to change though I've noticed. |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
TheArchangels said: In many ways anime is a superior medium as you can convey images and stories in ways that normal films and television shows are completely incapable of doing. Those mediums have their benefits as well as it may be easier to cause a sense of fear and sympathy with actual people. Anime is considered immature because of our preconceived notion that all cartoons are meant for children(and then overlook South Park, but oh well). That's starting to change though I've noticed. yeah dude, anime conveys fanservice quite fantastic... More kawaii heroines.. .xD  |
| It's because of the way that anime gets it's money. Shows that appeal to a wide audience of casual fans just don't make as much money as the shows that appeal to the basement dwellers that will spend way to much damn money on figurines and body pillows of their waifu. 90% of anime is shit because it's profitable. |
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| Mmm... Films can make most people feel more emotional than anime. You're looking at an actual person, not something someone drew. For Anime, it can take a while to draw a bond from a person in real life, to a character made up. Undoubtedly Anime has made me feel 'happy' and 'sad', but it's never quite stricken me quite the same as the realism of some films. It also has a lot to do with directing, an Anime normally lasts a multitude of episodes or seasons, whereas the entire purpose of an episode of anything in real life is typically to follow its own plot line. Sometimes, it's part of a larger plot-line, sure, but in Anime it usually takes longer to develop. |
  Life is the difference between jumping out of a third story window and jumping off a penthouse suite. YT |
| Because at the end of the day, it's a cartoon. Nobody takes cartoons seriously. Nobody takes anybody seriously who takes cartoons seriously. |
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Pullman said: not a waste for garbaging on this thread back. found something worth to read, nice one mr. Pullman (y)Cinema is about twice as old as anime, if not more so (anime really got started as a medium in the 50s and 60s, movies at the beginning of the century or before that). Literature is easily a dozen times older than both of those combined. Of course the amount of history behind a medium is gonna make a difference. Their methods have been refined and perfected and experimented with for much longer, in a larger variety of historical contexts with more time to garner cultural influence. On top of that there are just inherent differences between the mediums that have nothing to do with quality and make them hard to compare. Anyone who's literate can write a book, making a movie already requires more time and money, even a low-budget one, and producing anime has yet different requirements. The contexts in which they exist are also different. Anime, for the most part, isn't big enough to have more than a few titles produced without commercial interests at the forefront of their production. On the other end of the spectrum it costs comparatively nothing to write a book so literature lends itself more to experimental works and taking 'risks'. Movies are somewhere in between, with large quantities being produced for commercial interests but there also being a healthy scene that gives awards and whatnot based on other criteria to movies who often aren't as mainstream compatible as the Hollywood stuff. Anime only has that kind of scene to a much smaller degree as far as I can tell. Almost all anime are series that someone with specific interests has ordered from a studio to make some kind of profit. Or to say it differently, anime as a medium does not have less potential than any other medium, it just currently is in a different stage than literature and film, partly due to being much younger than both and partly due to cultural differences. BTW I think it doesn't even make much sense to talk about 'anime' as a medium and compare it to literature or film as a whole. You'd have to either talk about animation in general, or add specific geography to literature and film as well. Like talking about asian cinema compared to asian animation. Otherwise it's not really a fair comparison at all. |
la critique de l'intention pure |
| Aside from some anime I mention previously, 5 Centimeters Per Second is also another one of the few mature anime for adult. Natsuki Imai, a Japanese television and film director known for her 2007 film Koizora, views 5 Centimeters Per Second as a film "completely for adults even though it is an anime".[31] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Centimeters_Per_Second#Reception The fact that 5 Centimeters Per Second being single out as anime for adult from other anime shows that even in Japan itself,anime is seen for teenagers or immature medium. |
ZapredonDec 3, 2016 10:38 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Cinema and literature are far larger than anime in terms of quantity. Even if the proportions of good to bad were kept the same between all mediums, cinema and literature would still produce more good than anime does. Anime is also in a bit of a toddler stage. Sure, it's been around for decades but it's boom in popularity really started in the 2000s. Of course, this can't really be examined fully without examining demographics, influence, cultural trends, etc. and I really cba to go in depth right now. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| I don't know. Digimon Tamers, Tatami Galaxy, Humanity Has Declined, Paranoia Agent, Kill la Kill - all brilliant shows that rank with the best of cinema. Sure, they lack the critic-approved "charismatic criminals in suits" but I don't think it's enough for a good film. |
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| Cinema is shit, and anime is unfortunately following the same path towards becoming shit. Literature can be good because it doesn't cost a lot of money to make, and it doesn't tend to make a lot of money either. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| Anime is a lot more niche than cinema or literature. I guess you could make the argument of consistency, but if you look at how much garbage there is in each medium compared to how big it is there's not much of a difference if it all. There Will Be Blood and Roadside Picnic is better than 99.9% of anime, just as Paranoia Agent (which is a critique of Japanese society) is better than 99.9% of cinema and literature. |
ShrabsterDec 4, 2016 3:10 AM
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| If every "serious" anime was in movie format, I think it would be considered a medium with much more quality. Because it all depends on perspective; books and movies are a whole, while TV anime are "divided wholes" (and many times they aren't even "a whole") You can watch movies in a seat while anime are divided by episodes. This gives you a different impression, why don't you compare anime series to American series or something? Tv series are mainly there to be a popular and entertaining medium, so the seasonal and weekly system maintain them at screen. Books are more focused in quality and poetry, and movies in production quality, which give the story some credibility. ' In conclusion, they are waay different and that is the reason. |
ShokkoDec 4, 2016 2:08 AM
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lawlmartz said: Discuss why anime is an immature medium of art, and why it can never be better than cinema or literature. Age of the medium completely aside, if you compare the peaks of anime against the peaks of film, it's immediately obvious that film is a much more complete medium. Look at the number of visionary directors and writers in film/literature...now compare that to the number of directors in anime who even have a recognizable style. Doesn't compare. You can expand this to essentially any theme, genre, classification, or otherwise. If it's been done, cinema and literature have done it better, but why? This doesn't boil down to a difference in taste, either- it's an objective fact that anime rarely explores certain themes like homosexuality (beyond a purely sexual gratification lens), or even satire, lampooning current events and issues of the society from which it originated- of which there are many, like anywhere else. What anime do you see critiquing Japanese societal problems, that, again, aren't limited to hikikomori/NEET activities? Be that in metaphorical form or otherwise. But why not? Is that because these things aren't popular and won't sell (read: immature artform), or because they aren't salient enough to be considered? I don't really see how this is a critique of anime as a medium more of a critique on the market. Even then I really don't know of many modern film that fufills your requirements. As for literature it is effectively the basis of story telling, and it's ability to provide key details while providing a constant flow is incredible, but visuals do open up a lot of potential that literature can't compete with. _Ako_ said: It is the communty whom are immature... Too much butthurt people dude, think about that... xD There are satires like SZS... Yes, if anime industry try to do what western does, it will be hard to compete... "the suject whom" I'm sorry, but what. |
| All you can hope for in your worldview is consistency |
| Anime is trash, plain and simple. Like most mediums the majority is trash and the 1% that is actually good usually isn't even that great. |
 "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -Friedrich Nietzsche |
| Fiction in general is for plebs. Real elitists only watch the news and documentaries!! |
| Speak for yourself, I enjoy anime way more then any other medium regardless of how "complete" of a medium it is. Anime has Kara no Kyoukai, other mediums don't. End of discussion. |
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LoneWolf said: It must really suck to be you, huh? Broaden your horizon a bit for once.Anime is trash, plain and simple. Like most mediums the majority is trash and the 1% that is actually good usually isn't even that great. |
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| Most anime is intentionally made to appeal to younger audiences. As a whole, it's more immature no matter how you look at it. Cinema and Literature can appeal to younger audiences as well, but when you look it as a whole, it ends up being mostly for more mature people. |
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| OP's argument has been thoroughly dismantled in this thread, in previous threads, and across the interwebs. I have no desire to add anything, but here's a nice little writeup courtesy of Bobduh. http://wrongeverytime.com/2013/06/25/is-anime-an-inferior-medium/ |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Berserk said: Yes, that's what I'm referring to. The argument that the medium itself (animation created by Japanese people) is structurally inferior for some ill-defined reason.He says that it has the potential to be as good (which OP disagrees with), if that is what you are saying has been dismantled. It's a trivial point that anime's cannon cannot compare to those of literature or film. It's like saying that post-modern American novels cannot compare to all of literature. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Berserk said: Josh said: Yes, that's what I'm referring to. The argument that the medium itself (animation created by Japanese people) is structurally inferior for some ill-defined reason. I don't think OP specifically says that anime doesn't have the potential to be as good, or is structurally inferior, just that it cannot be as good. Given that anime's cannon cannot compare to literature or films, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that it can never be better than cinema or literature, because right now it's certainly not approaching their level and won't unless great change comes which is unlikely. I don't quite understand the difference here. "Can never" translates perfectly to "doesn't have the potential", in fact it is an even more extreme position. Take into account that the OP goes even further by saying this: lawlmartz said: You can expand this to essentially any theme, genre, classification, or otherwise. If it's been done, cinema and literature have done it better And being wholly categorical about how no matter what anime tries, cinema and literature have done it better. Which goes into the field of specific examples and comparisons and is quite an insane statement. |
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