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May 22, 2016 6:54 AM
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Wow Bogue is not screwing around. What a cruel bastard.

This episode also implies that Messer had a tragic past while showing PTSD-like symptoms. Damn, the rivalry between him and Keith also really heated up. Freyja's singing skills improved again although I think she put herself into too much risk this episode. Finally, Bogue takes a hit.

Glad to hear Borderline again. That song never gets old!
And poor Messer...I think we're getting an episode focused more on him coming up.
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May 22, 2016 9:24 AM
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great episode from Freyja solo performance and Hayate fighting with Bogue.
looking forward next episode. Messer infected Var? Maybe this will develop his relationship with Kanade.
May 22, 2016 11:32 AM
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Woww aaa I loved this episode (biased towards Freyja)
This episode made me wonder more about the backgrounds to Messer, Hayate, and Freyja, and Mikumo again.
Messer it looks like we'll find out next ep
When will we know where Hayate is really from and how he has that necklace?
Freyja's talked about her family before, curious about much they know about what's going on/if they see her as traitor/just what's their stand in all of this?
Mikumo is still a mystery > > Is she going to tell Freyja her reason for singing, now that she's found her own reason?

Loved the songs and action!
Can't wait for subs \ o /
May 22, 2016 11:41 AM
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Freyja is finally coming into her own as a singer, and the fold wave she produces seems to match somewhat what Heinz does for the other side. And her connection with Hayate seems to be growing (Mirage distinctly in the background here).

Get ready for a Messerfest next chapter.
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May 22, 2016 6:39 PM
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Bogue seems a very prideful man. Messer showing signs of being infected by var yet still remains in complete control, i wonder how he does that.
May 23, 2016 3:55 AM
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great episode, the battle scene with freyja singing was great. since she and hayate go together so well in battle, that surely means she is going to win... r-right? ;_;
can't wait to see more of messer's past, i already kind of expected he has some tragic backstory.
May 23, 2016 4:11 AM
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^ The way things are going perhaps since Mirage is pretty non-existent except for some small scenes thus far. Both Hayate and Freyja work so well with one another all it's missing is the red string to get things going. I dunno if this will go 24-26 episodes but if it's 12-13 I don't see much happening with Mirage and depending if something happens between Hayate and Freyja by then.

[edit] Looking it up seems it's 2 arcs https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9%CE%94#BD_.2F_DVD

That insert song is so good. Freyja's songs are 100% with me and hope to hear even more in the same amount as Macross F.
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Aside from the ridiculous fact that all the Walkure girls seem to have some sort of impossible invincibility shield when running around in battle (which begs the questions (a) why are there not more enemies if this is an actual war (b) why are the enemy not specifically targeting the Walkure since they're pretty much the Kryptonite that will make them lose the war, and (c) how the heck is Freyja completely unscathed despite facing the White Knights, multiple missiles AND running in the forest AT Hayate's FALLING fighter), as a skirmish, this episode was decent.

As an actual battle, it really wasn't big enough to be considered as such. 5 v 5 fighters in a dogfight does not a war make.

Actually liked the way the White Knights managed to counter Mirage's flashbang escape plan. Shows they're not amateur soldiers. That said, it was pretty unbelievable how Hayate, after one episode of training, suddenly is able to do what Messer basically stated was impossible for even Mirage, much less a rookie (that is to aim for hits on only the wings and limbs of enemy fighters). I'll chalk it down to Hayate's resonance with Freyja's song instead of his actual skill. No one suddenly gets a permanent super EXP level up like that. Specially when he literally did nothing to earn it (unless getting the crap beat out of him by White Knights enlightened him or something).
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May 23, 2016 5:42 AM
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radle said:
^ The way things are going perhaps since Mirage is pretty non-existent except for some small scenes thus far. Both Hayate and Freyja work so well with one another all it's missing is the red string to get things going. I dunno if this will go 24-26 episodes but if it's 12-13 I don't see much happening with Mirage and depending if something happens between Hayate and Freyja by then.

[edit] Looking it up seems it's 2 arcs https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9%CE%94#BD_.2F_DVD

That insert song is so good. Freyja's songs are 100% with me and hope to hear even more in the same amount as Macross F.


This is a two cour so there's plenty of time. I'm pretty certain that triangle will be properly developed and we will get some Mirage/Hayate scenes before long.

If you go back to the original SDFM, Misa and Hikaru took quite a long while to get started.
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May 23, 2016 10:47 AM

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I think freyja owned this episode.. in the end
May 23, 2016 11:11 AM
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L-Ryoshi said:
Aside from the ridiculous fact that all the Walkure girls seem to have some sort of impossible invincibility shield when running around in battle (which begs the questions (a) why are there not more enemies if this is an actual war (b) why are the enemy not specifically targeting the Walkure since they're pretty much the Kryptonite that will make them lose the war, and (c) how the heck is Freyja completely unscathed despite facing the White Knights, multiple missiles AND running in the forest AT Hayate's FALLING fighter), as a skirmish, this episode was decent.

As an actual battle, it really wasn't big enough to be considered as such. 5 v 5 fighters in a dogfight does not a war make.

Actually liked the way the White Knights managed to counter Mirage's flashbang escape plan. Shows they're not amateur soldiers. That said, it was pretty unbelievable how Hayate, after one episode of training, suddenly is able to do what Messer basically stated was impossible for even Mirage, much less a rookie (that is to aim for hits on only the wings and limbs of enemy fighters). I'll chalk it down to Hayate's resonance with Freyja's song instead of his actual skill. No one suddenly gets a permanent super EXP level up like that. Specially when he literally did nothing to earn it (unless getting the crap beat out of him by White Knights enlightened him or something).


Thanks dude, basicaly i too ask for serious consequences for those walkure girl while they dancing around with teir hips in midst of flying bullets and missiles. surely bullets did not hit. but even the explosive radiation didn't seem to cause a 2nd degree burn damage.
May 23, 2016 1:17 PM

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This episode was way better than the crap we've been getting since the debut. Pretty satisfied that the studio upped their game. Kinda shame to not see Bogue die, lol.
May 23, 2016 1:25 PM

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can anybody link to a screencap of what it said on the last frame of the subs?

I streamed it and the web player doesn't pause on the last frame and I want to know what cheeky shit it said.

L-Ryoshi said:
Aside from the ridiculous fact that all the Walkure girls seem to have some sort of impossible invincibility shield when running around in battle (which begs the questions (a) why are there not more enemies if this is an actual war (b) why are the enemy not specifically targeting the Walkure since they're pretty much the Kryptonite that will make them lose the war, and (c) how the heck is Freyja completely unscathed despite facing the White Knights, multiple missiles AND running in the forest AT Hayate's FALLING fighter), as a skirmish, this episode was decent.

As an actual battle, it really wasn't big enough to be considered as such. 5 v 5 fighters in a dogfight does not a war make.


Meanwhile all I want to know is why the ruins aren't ringed with a dozen hidden SAM batteries.
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fst said:
can anybody link to a screencap of what it said on the last frame of the subs?

I streamed it and the web player doesn't pause on the last frame and I want to know what cheeky shit it said.

L-Ryoshi said:
Aside from the ridiculous fact that all the Walkure girls seem to have some sort of impossible invincibility shield when running around in battle (which begs the questions (a) why are there not more enemies if this is an actual war (b) why are the enemy not specifically targeting the Walkure since they're pretty much the Kryptonite that will make them lose the war, and (c) how the heck is Freyja completely unscathed despite facing the White Knights, multiple missiles AND running in the forest AT Hayate's FALLING fighter), as a skirmish, this episode was decent.

As an actual battle, it really wasn't big enough to be considered as such. 5 v 5 fighters in a dogfight does not a war make.


Meanwhile all I want to know is why the ruins aren't ringed with a dozen hidden SAM batteries.


They BSed some of the lyric in the background songs because it was difficult to heard the words with all the gunshots.
May 23, 2016 5:03 PM

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I love Freyja, her singing is amazing and I just love all the songs she sings, I think she may be my favorite Macross singer after the band Fire Bomber.
May 23, 2016 5:17 PM
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Mirage is kind of looking less & less of a pilot and more of a bystander, while Hayate continues to level up.
I wonder how long this may continue & if they will decide to make Mirage actually look worthy of her name.
May 23, 2016 5:43 PM
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This episode surely full of hayate and freyja moment, love it~
I'm looking forward to messer past
And ikenai borderline all the way~
May 23, 2016 6:08 PM
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Hayate X Frejya episode but im sure Mirage will be the winning girl on this love triangle

Messer the Grim Reaper though lol he is easily infected by the Var syndrome
May 23, 2016 7:48 PM

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fst said:
can anybody link to a screencap of what it said on the last frame of the subs?

I streamed it and the web player doesn't pause on the last frame and I want to know what cheeky shit it said.

May 23, 2016 8:17 PM
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Whatever reason you have for fighting a war, doesn't justify wasting apples on it.
May 23, 2016 11:15 PM

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Whoa the songs in this show don't disappoint. Looks like next episode's going to be focused on Messer huh
May 23, 2016 11:24 PM

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mmh idk i don't wanna drop it cause i love the macross universe but this episode was a little bit better than the others but also a little bit worse
freyja is even worse than ranka, as a singer and as a character. that whole thing with apples was dumb and annoying. same with hayate.
May 24, 2016 12:42 AM

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I quite enjoyed this episode, and so much delicious cheese.
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May 24, 2016 12:58 AM
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The song sung by Freyja had sucha beautiful melody to it, one of the favorites from the anime so far :'D I do wanna say please Kawamori-sensei, Hayate and Freyja have very good chemistry and complement each other so well so please do not ruin that by making him end up with the old woman ( Mirage ) as you always do. I would hate to see Fre Fre die alone, we have to remember she only has 16 years more to live so getting those two together before she dies would be absolutely perfect.
May 24, 2016 4:49 AM

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Messer who's basically "lives together" with the Walkrure, is not "Waccined" and still got Var Syndrome...Maybe the PTSD made his Var somewhat immune?

Hope they give out some answers next episode.

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May 24, 2016 5:04 AM

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Normally if Freyja can live longer, she will have a higher chance to be with Hayate. So if she didn't end up with Hayate at the end, there will be a plot excuse... you guys know what i mean =(

Both Mirage and Hayate are pilots, so... huh?
May 24, 2016 5:20 AM

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That was a really good song from Freyja. This is girl isn't just an ordinary windermere. There must be more than her.
May 24, 2016 6:22 AM
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Freyja solo performance ٩(♡ε♡)۶
But, is it just my imagination or i listen the Unbreak My Heart freyja version?(≧▽≦)
May 24, 2016 10:22 AM

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L-Ryoshi said:
Aside from the ridiculous fact that all the Walkure girls seem to have some sort of impossible invincibility shield when running around in battle (which begs the questions (a) why are there not more enemies if this is an actual war (b) why are the enemy not specifically targeting the Walkure since they're pretty much the Kryptonite that will make them lose the war, and (c) how the heck is Freyja completely unscathed despite facing the White Knights, multiple missiles AND running in the forest AT Hayate's FALLING fighter), as a skirmish, this episode was decent.

As an actual battle, it really wasn't big enough to be considered as such. 5 v 5 fighters in a dogfight does not a war make.

Actually liked the way the White Knights managed to counter Mirage's flashbang escape plan. Shows they're not amateur soldiers. That said, it was pretty unbelievable how Hayate, after one episode of training, suddenly is able to do what Messer basically stated was impossible for even Mirage, much less a rookie (that is to aim for hits on only the wings and limbs of enemy fighters). I'll chalk it down to Hayate's resonance with Freyja's song instead of his actual skill. No one suddenly gets a permanent super EXP level up like that. Specially when he literally did nothing to earn it (unless getting the crap beat out of him by White Knights enlightened him or something).


Pretty much what I was gonna say, only you did it way better.
May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

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Loved this episode and today's insert song was sooo pretty! Maybe I just like Freyja too much, lmao. Super excited to see what's going to happen next! Not going to lie I kind of teared up when Freyja started singing.. ; -;

I want to know what kind of connection Freyja has with Roid or does Roid just have some other plans and needs Freyja to accomplish it. It looks like he isn't interested in war and sincerely just wants to understand the ruins.

As for Messer.. poor Messer has PTSD and looks like has been infected by Var and hasn't been cured. I wonder if it's because his scar runs too deep / the PTSD is too strong? I guess we won't find out til the next episode.

I USED TO THINK BOGUE WAS CUTE. NOT. ANY. MORE.
May 24, 2016 6:30 PM

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Seriously stop wasting them fucking apples.

RIP Messer.
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May 24, 2016 9:48 PM

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LOL @ gg's random fact rant!
Hayate is in Sync with Freyja!
But I'm still HayateXMirage ship!
poor Messer...got Var'ed!
4/5.
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May 24, 2016 11:42 PM
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That solo performance of Frejya, guys, i'm in love! Hahaha!
May 25, 2016 5:20 AM
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I WANT THE FULL VERSION OF THE SONG ALREADY
May 27, 2016 7:01 AM
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What is Mikumo's deal? Something just isn't right with her. She's always mean to Freyja too.
May 28, 2016 9:47 PM

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Best episode of the series so far in my opinion!
Can only get better now :)
May 29, 2016 4:12 PM

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Daaaamn best episode yet, go Freyja!

Also, the return of Giri Giri EYEEEEEEEEE
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May 30, 2016 10:53 AM

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"You are being possesed by the thing called 'Song' "
then i'm gonna said it back to you that you are being possesed by something called "Revenge" so shut the fuck up!
LOL, all of the villian pissed me off so much. And i agree with hayate. That was what a knight usually do ? pointing a sword to a girl ? then they just literally shut him up, so he was right. after hayate got kicked on the face he need to say "so i'm right. what an disgusting knight". if he really said that, i'm gonna laugh my ass off xD XD XD at that kind of situation, the only thing you need is provocation to satisfy yourself xD getting killed ? who fuck cares ? even if they killed you, the fact that you insulted him ain't gonna changed in the villian's brain xD XD XD even if they are trying to forget it, someday it will haunt him again.

kay. let's put all of that aside, it was a pretty good episode overall. i enjoyed it. that's all.

looking foward for the next episode.
May 31, 2016 10:24 PM

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One of my favorite episodes so far, and Freyja sounded good!

Jun 11, 2016 9:09 PM
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Freyja wins everyone. Don't waste food!! Apologize to the apple! Her (& the kid's) song was wonderful, saves the father, Hayate & eased Messer's pain. She also made Highness' rune double up.

White Knight flies like the wind, superhuman jumps. Windermeres apparently don't want to win the war easily. During gun x sword dude could've easily slashed Messer but dude wants a fun aerial fight, and Roid saves them cuz science.
New Engrish song kinda ok.
Ruins is an amp.
Mikumo hair becomes some galaxy screen.
Was wondering why Hayate's aiming works after it broke. Apparently battloid form uses the head aiming. Fighter form a different system or exposes the windshield?
Seems like the first time a flashbomb failed in anime lol.
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I didn’t like the omission of the beating that Mirage Farina & Hayate is like they were afraid (I understand the Mirage part [not agreeing because she is a soldier but I understand] of showing a female getting beaten by a man {by the way her grandma would be piss se was an elite soldier who excel in everything piloting and hand to hand combat except when facing his nemesis, a blue megane wearing guy. Lol!}) but not showing the Hayate A$$ whop'n wtf?!

Arad Mölders said during the end of the battle "He would be proud" made me wonder more about the background of Hayate...
Sep 10, 2016 4:42 PM

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Best song again. Worth the wait for good subs.

Freyja's song was nice too. "It tingles."

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