| As the terrorist attacks erupted in Paris, people throughout the world mourned with France, and appalled Muslims turned to social media using the hashtag #NotInMyName. Shehnaz Khan, a journalist in London, tweeted, "Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as though he has killed all of mankind." She was one of many people to share this verse from the Quran. "I don't see ISIS as Muslim. I see terrorists when I look at ISIS," Philistine Ayad, a Muslim feminist, told CNN. "To me, terror knows no religion. They are picking and choosing aspects of the religion and twisting and distorting them in order to justify their actions that are unjustifiable." Ayad, who has lived in the United States since 2001, says she feels very Westernized. However, she says it hurts when she wears her hijab, the scarf worn around her head, in public and hears muttering about her religion from onlookers. She hopes the #NotInMyName campaign will help remove Islamophobia from Western culture. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/not-in-my-name-muslims-speak-out/index.html that second bold part says it too, religions are easily use as a tool for extremism, and all in the name of religion |
| Islamaphobia is NOT real. A critical response SHOULD be had on Islam. Like it or not ISIS is.....you know....Islamic! And they do the things they do in the name of Islam. If you are a Muslim and you want to condemn the things ISIS does....great, but maybe you should also look a little harder on the religion you support. And I don't want to hear any "No true scottsman" fallacy remarks. |
JustALEX said: Islamaphobia is NOT real. What is this? JustALEX said: If you are a Muslim and you want to condemn the things ISIS does....great, but maybe you should also look a little harder on the religion you support. http://www.quranandwar.com/FATWA%20on%20Terrorism%20and%20Suicide%20Bombings.pdf This is the position of mainstream, traditional Islam. This is the majority opinion amongst scholars of Islam. You know, people who have actually looked pretty hard at the religion. Maybe you should educate yourself. Wait, that's too much to ask. Reading cherry picked verses and hadiths is easier. |
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| ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. You literally have entire countries and millions upon millions of muslims who believe in Sharia, who believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing and who will condemn terrorist acts, but still won't condemn the vile things that exists in their religion. As for "Islamaphobia" I'm talking about the fact that people who criticize Islam are NOT bigots fro criticizing an ideology. An Ideology that is very clearly flawed. People who take violence as their measure are obviously incorrect in doing so. |
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JustALEX said: ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. You literally have entire countries and millions upon millions of muslims who believe in Sharia, who believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing and who will condemn terrorist acts, but still won't condemn the vile things that exists in their religion. As for "Islamaphobia" I'm talking about the fact that people who criticize Islam are NOT bigots fro criticizing an ideology. An Ideology that is very clearly flawed. People who take violence as their measure are obviously incorrect in doing so. Yeah, only barely 6% of Islamic people are terrorists. Which means that the other 94% are NOT. More than 6% of Americans have committed huge crimes. How come they're not treated like terrorists? |
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| They're right its not in their name its in the name of Allah. |
bacchi said: http://www.quranandwar.com/FATWA%20on%20Terrorism%20and%20Suicide%20Bombings.pdf This is the position of mainstream, traditional Islam. This is the majority opinion amongst scholars of Islam. You know, people who have actually looked pretty hard at the religion. Maybe you should educate yourself. Wait, that's too much to ask. Reading cherry picked verses and hadiths is easier. If anything, the "majority opinion [on suicide bombing] amongst scholars of Islam" is a cherrypicked idea (althought the fact that it's not unanimous or completely obvious is already a problem). I think a more relevant search would be into the majority opinion of Muslims (scholars and otherwise) on say, apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, depictions of the prophet, etc. |
| A nice gesture, but I don't think this will change anybodies opinion on Islam. Must really suck being an innocent Muslim right now. |
Seiya said: JustALEX said: ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. You literally have entire countries and millions upon millions of muslims who believe in Sharia, who believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing and who will condemn terrorist acts, but still won't condemn the vile things that exists in their religion. As for "Islamaphobia" I'm talking about the fact that people who criticize Islam are NOT bigots fro criticizing an ideology. An Ideology that is very clearly flawed. People who take violence as their measure are obviously incorrect in doing so. Yeah, only barely 6% of Islamic people are terrorists. Which means that the other 94% are NOT. More than 6% of Americans have committed huge crimes. How come they're not treated like terrorists? 6% of the Muslim population is 102 million... lol. |
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bacchi said: Seiya said: Yeah, only barely 6% of Islamic people are terrorists. Which means that the other 94% are NOT. More than 6% of Americans have committed huge crimes. How come they're not treated like terrorists? 6% of the Muslim population is 102 million... lol. And how much is 94%? |
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Altairius said: bacchi said: http://www.quranandwar.com/FATWA%20on%20Terrorism%20and%20Suicide%20Bombings.pdf This is the position of mainstream, traditional Islam. This is the majority opinion amongst scholars of Islam. You know, people who have actually looked pretty hard at the religion. Maybe you should educate yourself. Wait, that's too much to ask. Reading cherry picked verses and hadiths is easier. If anything, the "majority opinion [on suicide bombing] amongst scholars of Islam" is a cherrypicked idea (althought the fact that it's not unanimous or completely obvious is already a problem). I think a more relevant search would be into the majority opinion of Muslims (scholars and otherwise) on say, apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, depictions of the prophet, etc. Oh, so views on apostasty, adultery and homosexuality now have something to do with terrorist groups such as da'esh? How is that a cherry picked idea? If an opinion is held by the overwhelming majority of scholars, it becomes an obligation for Muslims to abide by it. In an Islamic State (as da'esh claims to be), such an opinion is legally binding. The lay person is not allowed to derive their own rulings, it's unlawful and any lay person (i.e. non scholar) who engages in this is engaging in an unislamic activity. The resulting ruling would be fundamentally unislamic. This is mainstream, traditional Islam. JustALEX said: ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. As someone educated in Islam, I don't accept Islam to be anything anyone says it is. I strictly adhere to scriptural and scholarly proof. I can see however how Islam can be anything to the uneducated on the subject, something da'esh and ignorant critics seem to have in common. JustALEX said: You literally have entire countries and millions upon millions of muslims who believe in Sharia, who believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing and who will condemn terrorist acts, but still won't condemn the vile things that exists in their religion. What does this have to do with terrorism? You seem to be grasping at straws. I believe in Sharia. I believe in freedom of speech. I don't know what "vile" things you refer to, but I'm going to suppose I and nearly two billion Muslims believe in them. I still disapprove of terrorism as does the mainstream scholarly tradition. So what is your point, citing unrelated beliefs? JustALEX said: As for "Islamaphobia" I'm talking about the fact that people who criticize Islam are NOT bigots fro criticizing an ideology. I have no problem with that and indeed, it's not Islamophobia. I only have an issue with people refusing to educate themselves on something yet feeling they are qualified to be critics. Something I just find moronic, not Islamophobic. |
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Seiya said: And how much is 94%? My point is that there is nowhere as many as 102m Muslim terrorists. |
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| I understand their frustration and need to distance themselves, but they're wrong. ISIS is a fundamentalist Islamic group, and they take Islam very seriously. They have teams of scholars dedicated to interpreting Muhammad's teachings. They are as "true" Muslims as anyone. However, other Muslims can, should, and are fighting back on ideological grounds. Other Muslims present an interpretation of Islam that is compatible with a liberal and secular state. Rather than condemning Islam wholesale (which would be very illiberal), we should support "modern" interpretations and come down hard on fundamentalist interpretations. In that sense, it's not rocket science. It's the exact same thing we're doing with Christianity. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
bacchi said: Seiya said: And how much is 94%? My point is that there is nowhere as many as 102m Muslim terrorists. There's over 102 million Christian terrorists on this planet. But oh no, North America is predominately Christian, so they won't call them terrorists. They'll just say that they're criminals, and that not everyone is like that. Don't forget that hundreds of innocent Palestinians are murdered by evil Israeli terrorists every month, making what happened in Paris extremely minor. Where's the justice there? Oh wait, it's because the North American/British government are the most corrupt in the world. Stop listening to mainstream media. |
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bacchi said: I think he was looking at stats for terrorist sympathizers rather than numbers of actual terrorists.Seiya said: And how much is 94%? My point is that there is nowhere as many as 102m Muslim terrorists. |
Josh said: They have teams of scholars dedicated to interpreting Muhammad's teachings. Can I ask for a source for this? The minimum requirement to be a scholar is 5-7 years of study, and 3 more to be a mufti. I have a hard time believing da'esh has teams of any actual scholars. |
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bacchi said: You might be right. I've come across several articles, such as this one, that mention ISIS "study groups", but now that I look for references I can't find any. The one I linked refers to an ISIS propaganda piece, which is obviously unreliable.Josh said: Can I ask for a source for this? The minimum requirement to be a scholar is 5-7 years of study, and 3 more to be a mufti. I have a hard time believing da'esh has teams of any actual scholars.They have teams of scholars dedicated to interpreting Muhammad's teachings. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
traed said: bacchi said: I think he was looking at stats for terrorist sympathizers rather than numbers of actual terrorists.My point is that there is nowhere as many as 102m Muslim terrorists. LOL. With 102 million, they only produced 50,000 terrorists...... they sure are reliable supporters...... |
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Seiya said: bacchi said: My point is that there is nowhere as many as 102m Muslim terrorists. There's over 102 million Christian terrorists on this planet. But oh no, North America is predominately Christian, so they won't call them terrorists. A nation run by Talmudites and founded on secular principles, that recently legalised gay marriage, is now a nation of 'Christian terrorists'. LOL America has a large Christian population, but they're not the ones bombing for oil and fighting for the Synagogue of Satan. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
Caelidesu said: Seiya said: There's over 102 million Christian terrorists on this planet. But oh no, North America is predominately Christian, so they won't call them terrorists. A nation run by Talmudites and founded on secular principles, that recently legalised gay marriage, is now a nation of 'Christian terrorists'. LOL America has a large Christian population, but they're not the ones bombing for oil and fighting for the Synagogue of Satan. Americans kill people all the time. They just don't get called terrorists. They save that label for people in third world countries. There's nothing "Innocent" about Christians either. Stop thinking that one religion causes more destruction than another, because they're all pretty much equal in that area. Again, stop reading mainstream media. |
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JustALEX said: ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. So in the name of what are western countries dropping bombs and destroying governments in Africa and in the Middle East? |
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Seiya said: The only way you can even pretend they're equal is by conflating 'religions' with 'countries'. Christianity =/= AmericaCaelidesu said: A nation run by Talmudites and founded on secular principles, that recently legalised gay marriage, is now a nation of 'Christian terrorists'. LOL America has a large Christian population, but they're not the ones bombing for oil and fighting for the Synagogue of Satan. Americans kill people all the time. They just don't get called terrorists. They save that label for people in third world countries. There's nothing "Innocent" about Christians either. Stop thinking that one religion causes more destruction than another, because they're all pretty much equal in that area. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
Caelidesu said: Seiya said: The only way you can even pretend they're equal is by conflating 'religions' with 'countries'. Christianity =/= AmericaAmericans kill people all the time. They just don't get called terrorists. They save that label for people in third world countries. There's nothing "Innocent" about Christians either. Stop thinking that one religion causes more destruction than another, because they're all pretty much equal in that area. Christianity or not, Americans murder people all the time, and in large numbers. Why do you seem to think your country has no blood on its hands? Not to mention the American government supporting the Israeli genocide of Palestinian people. |
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Imeon said: I saw another source that said a minimum of 500,000traed said: I think he was looking at stats for terrorist sympathizers rather than numbers of actual terrorists. LOL. With 102 million, they only produced 50,000 terrorists...... they sure are reliable supporters...... |
Seiya said: Americans murder people all the time, and in large numbers. Why do you seem to think your country has no blood on its hands? Not to mention the American government supporting the Israeli genocide of Palestinian people. I-I'm actually... not an American. Sorry to get your hopes up. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| It's nice that this person is making an attempt to clear the name of Islam, but the fact is people can only see what is before their faces. It's one thing to read someone's condemnation of an action that uses their religion as justification, but it's a whole other thing to see a video of the person using that religion to commit acts of terror. In the end, it becomes action over words and one bad action is worth more in the eyes of observers than one good action. In other words, this campaign, while nice, doesn't mean much. |
Tsundereppoi said: JustALEX said: ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. So in the name of what are western countries dropping bombs and destroying governments in Africa and in the Middle East? How is that relevant to what I said? |
| This whole hashtag whatever the fuck shit is retarded. |
Tsundereppoi said: JustALEX said: ^Like it or not ISIS and MANY other ISLAMIC terrorist groups are Muslim and do the things they do in the name of Islam. So in the name of what are western countries dropping bombs and destroying governments in Africa and in the Middle East? Revenge for hurting their national pride with the whole 9/11 thing. Rumours of weapons of mass destruction. Oil. The toppling of regimes the U.S. didn't like. Nothing that justifies massacring hundreds of thousands of people, by the way. None of those reasons have anything to do with Christian teachings. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| I always facepalm when I hear someone say "Islam is the religion of peace". |
Seiya said: Caelidesu said: A nation run by Talmudites and founded on secular principles, that recently legalised gay marriage, is now a nation of 'Christian terrorists'. LOL America has a large Christian population, but they're not the ones bombing for oil and fighting for the Synagogue of Satan. Americans kill people all the time. They just don't get called terrorists. They save that label for people in third world countries. There's nothing "Innocent" about Christians either. Stop thinking that one religion causes more destruction than another, because they're all pretty much equal in that area. Again, stop reading mainstream media. Wow...is that how we're justifying stil saying well Christians are worse so lets love Islamic terrorist! we've moved from trying to point out that we have as many christian terrorists currently in operation because we don't do just declaring anyone who commits a crime and happens to be christian a Christian terrorist. Jesus reaching much, you've now declared all crime in america religiously motivated terror attacks. Get a grip. |
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| I fear that the people who are already riled up by the terror in Paris will not listen to something like this. |
Pacifica_Ocean said: Seiya said: Americans kill people all the time. They just don't get called terrorists. They save that label for people in third world countries. There's nothing "Innocent" about Christians either. Stop thinking that one religion causes more destruction than another, because they're all pretty much equal in that area. Again, stop reading mainstream media. Wow...is that how we're justifying stil saying well Christians are worse so lets love Islamic terrorist! we've moved from trying to point out that we have as many christian terrorists currently in operation because we don't do just declaring anyone who commits a crime and happens to be christian a Christian terrorist. Jesus reaching much, you've now declared all crime in america religiously motivated terror attacks. Get a grip. I'm sorry that you can't understand, little girl. |
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traed said: I saw another source that said a minimum of 500,000 Yeah, 500,000 terrorists and yet we only have a dozen terror attacks in Murica and Europa. |
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| "Islamaphobia" is a non-word, these so called "moderate Muslims" do not exist. |
| Can't wait for the European citizens to take it upon themselves to remove that scum. There will finally be something entertaining in the news. Sick of all these repeat shots of cowards running and screaming from their own mistakes(letting them in, in the first place) lol |
| I am on the edge ! The edge of the edgiest edge ever edged by edgekind ! я умерте ужасну депрессии... |
| Well its a step in the right direction |
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| Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
Randoll_ said: Imeon said: That's a dozen too much LOL. You snapped dude? |
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Seiya said: Don't forget that hundreds of innocent Palestinians are murdered by evil Israeli terrorists every month, making what happened in Paris extremely minor. Where's the justice there? Oh wait, it's because the North American/British government are the most corrupt in the world. Lol. I am still yet to hear of any Israeli suicide bombers. It still baffles me how anyone in their right mind can say a growing population is under "genocide". It's like saying Japan has one of the highest birth rates in the world. |
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RedRoseFring said: Seiya said: Don't forget that hundreds of innocent Palestinians are murdered by evil Israeli terrorists every month, making what happened in Paris extremely minor. Where's the justice there? Oh wait, it's because the North American/British government are the most corrupt in the world. Lol. I am still yet to hear of any Israeli suicide bombers. It still baffles me how anyone in their right mind can say a growing population is under "genocide". It's like saying Japan has one of the highest birth rates in the world. I'm not going to waste my time with you, as I know you're obsessed with Israel, and you think that everything you read in the mainstream media is true. |
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| If a crazy person ever gets linked to MAL, we can use #NotInMALsName. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| BTW...."Not in my name"? Actually yes, they do what they do in the name of Islam. And they are just as Muslim as you are. Next time...criticize the fucked up parts of your religion, denounce sharia, and stop pretending these people aren't Islamic....because they are. |
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