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Dragon_Slayer_X said: But hey who cares about that let's make a typical "Boy meets girl, shit happens, boy says some cool lines without trying to make the meaning clear followed by some cheap light shows that can barely be called proper fights and girl falls for the boy" show and make a shitty advertisement. That's how AMA fanfi..............err adaptation looks to me. Why did Ouka make a complete 180 in the anime again? Except that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying all of characterization is standard and 90% is in the anime. Ep 1 & 2 in the anime were about exact same thing as their equivalents in LN and manga just faster. That is a fact. If the anime was random boy meets girls than the LN was no different. I could careless about your nitpicking. Franking you seem pointless crap like very last half of Einhejar despite it being entirely pointless and nothing like ever happening effecting consistent of other similar fights. They don't need to be word per word but that doesn't make it bad either. Not everyone is an action junkie as people like slow-paced adaptations like Log Horizon as well. And it's funny how you are calling out on Asterisk since Heavy Object, Asterisk and Rakudai have been pretty good adaptations and well received unless you count the typical "LN-hater bandwagon", "Why no Index S3" or "Rakudai is better than Asterisk" groupies. Even with a few changes and re-ordering of events, the main points were still intact and the actions were pretty good. While not being perfect, the are pretty good adaptations unlike AMA. Well i should be happy that i at least got to see 3 good adaptations out of the 4 i was excited about. A slow paced so-called boring adaptation is much better and much more preferable to me than some high-paced shitty adaptation that are plaguing the anime world. I am seriously tired of telling people that anime today still has potential when my own faith is wavering little by little. And that's your problem. To begin with nobody makes a adaptation bad on purpose nor does adaptation being slower or faster make bad. For example the 2nd season of Noragami is moving much quicker than manga counterpart did to point we are already hit a season-like finale in ep 4 and it still manages build up characterization and development well without being slow and filling it's low points with harem cliches and ecchi like most LN adaptation. So what does that mean? You can brisk pacing and good development without need to slow things down or mass infodumping if you have good writing. That is why stuff like Asterisk is mediocre and getting dropped in 3 episodes rather than something like Iron-Blooded Orphans. That's kind of pacing AMA has right now, at least far as episode 3 goes and lot of people are liking it despite the cuts even if you don't. Adapting 5 volumes in 12 episode and having a good pace is quite impossible but if they are cutting the fights short and making them look like trash similar to episode 2 for good pacing reasons then that's great. Btw this isn't just my personal feelings and i don't see many people saying this is a good adaption. Looks like some ln readers already gave up on the show and more will follow if the next episode shows the same level of SUPERB(?) fighting. It's not impossible and most anime only viewers liked the fight episode 2, the blunt of the whining came for LN readers like yourself as per usual. The only thing was cut from the fight in ep 2 was the very end and if you say the rest of the battle was bad because of that than entire would be shit regardless. It isn't emphasizing the best aspects of the story either other than some comedy or fanservice aspects and the action was messed up. Feel free to think that it's good, that's your right. It can also be enjoyed when you know the blanks from reading the LN. But it isn't doing the source any justice...... That your opinion, for most part you seem to care about action and more being that everything wasn't like in the source. It's just typical whining so and so being different so sucks that sources do without ever paying attention to what kind of medium this. TV unlike a book has finite time and slots. It's rarely ever possible to include everything. I will just repeat myself.......as the LN is near it's end they could have took it slow and made a good adaptation for all 12-13 volumes with 2-3 seasons. But since they are going to make a mediocre (and possibly) butchered adaption of volume 1-9........the chance of another season is non-existent. The 3 volume adaptation for series would be suck because it would be fill with even more fanservice than it is, and none of those volumes are good for resolution of the plot, just minor arcs. The anime is pretty much the best the parts of v those volumes and still keeping most characterization intact. This could have been so much worse, but the anime has been doing a good presenting the material focusing on strong interaction between the characters. Besides n the end the point if majority of people are still enjoy the anime regardless of how more fluff the source had more then adaptation is fine and SL isn't not going to change what has been working for them. You don't have to like it, but don't stop others from doing so just because your bitter. BTW they aren't doing 9 volumes, that was mistranslation. SL is 5 volumes were which is only real good to actually adapt this because of the books were structured.. |
Iron_MawOct 26, 2015 5:53 AM
| Lol. The Ouka hate... I don't really get why hate a character that you don't even understand his or her characterization in full. The character's backstory, personality, reasons for his/her personality, resolution and developments. Unjustified hatred and most hilarious of all is the hate for her is simply because of trivial matters such as annoying or I hate her cuz she hates Mari when: All heroines are lovable but I see Ouka as the heroine with the biggest potential for character development and the one who actually has good character chemistry with the MC. It's okay to like a character with personal opinions, but it is the hating and then dissing part where things gets all unreasonable and inconsiderate when there are bunch of others who actually like those characters. It's as if you're asking for an argument which most of us try to avoid. *sigh* If the hate for Ouka is this strong, then haters probably won't stand her in her future character developments where it is needed for her to be a bit bitchy/violent/fiery because of her hatred for evil people and of course, the witch that she wants to kill. |
Azai-kunOct 26, 2015 5:52 AM
| I don't get some of the hate for Ouka either. Animosity towards Mari is rash sure, but it understandable where it comes from. And as she said before, she doesn't hate Mari herself, just existence of magic which has ruin much of her life and has done lots of terrible things. She is slowly coming around to at least accepting Mari magic somewhat. |
| ooOOOOooo nice cliffhanger at the end of this episode tbh. i already know Ohtori will lose her shit, im just wondering if Mari will be able to clear her name since her memory is gone.. kind of a shitty situation... plus im already falling for Mari <3 and the whole scene with them being on a first name basis was cute and funny. fanservice was a ++ Mari acted rather calm although she said she was embarrassed...hmmm all the posts about the tournament being rushed... its not over, correct? that was only the first round... they now have to face that one dudes platoon probably next episode.. either way, im surprisingly liking this series more and more each episode :D |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: Azai-kun said: Lol. The Ouka hate... I don't really get why hate a character that you don't even understand his or her characterization in full. The character's backstory, personality, reasons for his/her personality, resolution and developments. The situation would have been much better if a certain flashback scene was done properly rather than being some slide shows. Don't bet on it getting better till volume 5 or volume 7. Next episode won't change the hate too much......... No surprises there. I can already presume what their reactions will be in later episodes haha. Well damn, haters are getting more predictable than the anime itself. XD |
| Hmm... If I have to choose between developing the relationship between Mari & Ouka, and having a Mahoukka-like episode where the MC just over-powered some unknown creep characters, I would definitely choose the former. So I think, despite the very fast pacing, this is a very good episode. It did what it has to do, introducing Mari. The cliche harem x ecchi fan-services are well-packed so that non-ecchi fans might at least laugh. And it does not stuck on one point (means it's well-concluded as an episode, with a nice end to open the next episode.) So far, this thing is the only one that has not let down my expectation (simply because I never have a high enough expectation at first. The LN is good, is fun, but not special. And reading the LN and noticing how much money people will invest on seeing this adapted and how much time slots will be allocated on this to air will give you some sort of a realistic sadness.) I do think, despite the butchering, the anime has been solid and honestly deserves a more positive review, especially from the fans, because: If you guys don't review it positively despite the flaws, how can people get interested to the LN? (Like I said: I would rather have Mari introduced than Mahoukka all over again.) |
Revvie-chanOct 26, 2015 9:24 AM
| New char Mari introduced. LOL at takeru double peep with Mari & Ootori but double slap also! Takeru became Lapis's Guardian while on school and with the cover-up name Kusanagi Lapis haha! Mari & Ootori always not on equal terms and always insult each other, this would be a hard thing to deal with especially to Takeru. 4/5. |
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Azai-kun said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: The situation would have been much better if a certain flashback scene was done properly rather than being some slide shows. Don't bet on it getting better till volume 5 or volume 7. Next episode won't change the hate too much......... No surprises there. I can already presume what their reactions will be in later episodes haha. Well damn, haters are getting more predictable than the anime itself. XD I'm seeing more love for Mari than hate for Ouka lately. Well, Ouka wasn't portrayed in the best light, so you can't expect much love. @ Dragon_Slayer_X and Jagd84: No one is saying it's the best adaption or the worst adaptation in the world, right? I don't see the need to argue about the fact that it could've been better or worse here. Both of you can agree on that. SL adapted it this way, knowing full well there would be complaints. The complaints are mostly concerning the exposition, and not the plot itself. They pretty much chose which areas they wanted to portray most. If they wanted to portray both, something else would have to be sacrificed. As for the action, when it comes to a story, all you really need to know is the winner. How they won is just icing on the cake unless the winner was at a disadvantage. It was pretty clear who had the advantage in episode 2 if the sword and body were unbreakable and the wielder used swordplay of the highest caliber. Takeru said it himself. No need to make the fight look all that amazing. |
ReloadOct 26, 2015 10:10 AM
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: As far as i know they are doing 9 volumes in 24 episodes. Are you telling me they are going to do more? Wow that would make this a total disaster, more so than it already is. They could have also adapted 4 volumes per course with some teasers at the end of volume 4. It could have been done. Well to each his own......i am not changing my stance unless the next episode is actually good and have a proper fight.. No wouldn't. Even in the LN and manga there was fair amount of dislike for Ouka even with an clearer. It's pretty clear what happened to her in every one of mediums, it doesn't change the fact that people don't like how Ouka directing her anger towards Mari just because she is a Witch. Ouka only became more likable once stopped doing that. She's not very likabe until then. Next episode most people will warm to her after what she does for Mari you so wrong there too. The situation would have been much better if a certain flashback scene was done properly rather than being some slide shows. Don't bet on it getting better till volume 5 or volume 7. Next episode won't change the hate too much......... And I'm telling your information is wrong. Read the corrected afterword in vol 10. They can only vol 1-5 in this season anyway, otherwise the show will become incoherent. Reload said: Azai-kun said: No surprises there. I can already presume what their reactions will be in later episodes haha. Well damn, haters are getting more predictable than the anime itself. XD I'm seeing more love for Mari than hate for Ouka lately. Well, Ouka wasn't portrayed in the best light, so you can't expect much love. @ Dragon_Slayer_X and Jagd84: No one is saying it's the best adaption or the worst adaptation in the world, right? I don't see the need to argue about the fact that it could've been better or worse here. Both of you can agree on that. SL adapted it this way, knowing full well there would be complaints. The complaints are mostly concerning the exposition, and not the plot itself. They pretty much chose which areas they wanted to portray most. If they wanted to portray both, something else would have to be sacrificed. As for the action, when it comes to a story, all you really need to know is the winner. How they won is just icing on the cake unless the winner was at a disadvantage. It was pretty clear who had the advantage in episode 2 if the sword and body were unbreakable and the wielder used swordplay of the highest caliber. Takeru said it himself. No need to make the fight look all that amazing. Personally wish all the arcs were at least 3 episodes myself with slightly slower pacing so I as source reader understand. But I'm also being realistic about what they can and should cover. Fact of the matter is that main problem in animating something like AMA early on is that first few are just too character driven for the show end properly on them. Unlike animating only just volume 1-3 with more episodes, doing 1-5 gives every character some actual development, setups the plot for next phase of story and gives the first a semi-decent resolution with memorable finale. Doing only 3 volumes in this series is bad because it will just leave with you with half the cast being undeveloped and plot that barely goes anywhere. I think SL doing their best here in regard to this problem and are making the right moves in what choose to cut and animate keeping the character heavy focus and development the first few volumes had. None of this easy is nor is being done arbitrary, you can't have a rushed adaptation turn out this decent without serious planning. But Dragon Slayer doesn't seem to understand that is using fanboyism rather than logic to attack SL because everything he wants isn't being adapted no matter how minor and that not being reasonable or fair at all. If this anime was much worse than it was perhaps I would agree but so far it's been pretty smart and you can tell trying to fit as much as possible as coherently as possible. |
Caleb8980 said: Jagd84 said: Personally wish all the arcs were at least 3 episodes myself with slightly slower pacing so I as source reader understand. But I'm also being realistic about what they can and should cover. Fact of the matter is that main problem in animating something like AMA early on is that first few are just too character driven for the show end properly on them. Unlike animating only just volume 1-3 with more episodes, doing 1-5 gives every character some actual development, setups the plot for next phase of story and gives the first a semi-decent resolution with memorable finale. Doing only 3 volumes in this series is bad because it will just leave with you with half the cast being undeveloped and plot that barely goes anywhere. I think SL doing their best here in regard to this problem and are making the right moves in what choose to cut and animate keeping the character heavy focus and development the first few volumes had. None of this easy is nor is being done arbitrary, you can't have a rushed adaptation turn out this decent without serious planning. But Dragon Slayer doesn't seem to understand that is using fanboyism rather than logic to attack SL because everything he wants isn't being adapted no matter how minor and that not being reasonable or fair at all. If this anime was much worse than it was perhaps I would agree but so far it's been pretty smart and you can tell trying to fit as much as possible as coherently as possible. Thank you for seeing the whole picture :D What you wanted, Dragon_Slayer, was a perfect anime for the LN readers; what SL is giving us is a good anime for anime-only viewers and a decent one (for me at least) for LN readers. I said it before and I'll say it again: a perfect anime for LN readers would have failed completely for the anime-only viewers! Let's go with the pacing: where in the novel would you have ended the first episode? Where the second and the third? How would you have put all that into 20 minutes? What would you have cut for all the scenes you wanted to see - the entire fanservice, which simply is a part of the actual novel? Next the exact ending of each episode: till now SL did a fantastic job at proper endings for their episodes - they end on an interesting note so that viewers actually want to see the next episode to know what will happen; tell me how you would have gotten that by a slower pace? Once more, where should the first episode e. g. end to have such an interesting ending - and what will you do if you with your slower pace end one volume inmid of an episode? Doing some anime-only stuff that is usually hated by all LN readers? Cutting straight into the next novel so you would get an idiotic ending for that episode? Most of the disappointed LN reader crowd I see for any adaptation does not even once think about the time issues animes have. Just more cries about what scene they cut out and how they suck at animating that LN. The primary reason why Asterisk and Radukai are better received is the far bigger LN crowd voting in there - look in the announcement post of the anime: how many LN readers posted anything there? Now look at the same threads for the other 2 series and you will get your answer... The overall quality for Taimadou so far is shit tier. Takeru wasn't even supposed to have his helmet on for his Witch Hunter form. So why did Silver Link put that in? Because they wanted to make the full body armor CGI and putting a CGI head would be stupid so they put in the helmet instead. Also, they didn't bother explaining any of Takeru's skill sets at all either like Soumatou. Details from the fights and battle scenes are missing too. But those have been mentioned multiple times by other users so I won't bother posting it here. And the character designs are way off compared to the LN and overall look very sloppy. But this is something that wouldn't necessarily take away points from the anime itself. Like I said before, if Silver Link put in half the effort and budget of Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan into Taimadou, it would not be so disappointing. Even from an anime only viewer, they can tell that it is a half assed LN adaption anime. It really breaks my heart to see one of my favourite studios adapt one anime really well and the other one (that I like more) with a half assed job. I agree with you one thing though, the pacing, although a bit fast (especially volume 1 because they should have taken time to build Ouka before showing her conviction and somewhat attitude change towards the 35th platoon) is not that bad at all. Volumes 1-4 are pretty generic and volume 5 is when the story gets really good. I just hope that Silver Link can put in more effort into the anime volume 5 onwards. |
| ^ Agreed. All complains can be passed off as the sacrifices SL was willing to make for the good of the story. Anime adaptations require the episode to end at a point one can consider suspenseful. If your not complaining about the ending of each episode or your still around to watch the next episode, then SL deserves some credit. It's not like they're telling a different story here. It's going in the same direction as the LN. Ignore the areas they neglected, and your sure to enjoy it. As I've said in one of my previous posts, enjoying this is settling for less; however, everyone is free to read the LN if need be. Not everyone is complaining, so just allow them to settle for less. |
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Caleb8980 said: hoopla123 said: Also, they didn't bother explaining any of Takeru's skill sets at all either like Soumatou. Details from the fights and battle scenes are missing too. But those have been mentioned multiple times by other users so I won't bother posting it here. I direct to you the same question as to Dragon Slayer: when exactly would you have animated all these things? The problem is not within budget of SL but within the 20 min time limit for one anime episode - by animating all these (albeit small) things you loose time, and much more than you think. Also for Takeru's techniques Vol. 5 and especially Vol. 6 are just as appropiate for explaining them. hoopla123 said: [...]if Silver Link put in half the effort[...]with a half assed job. Well this is where I disagree - if they didn't carefully scan through the novel; how did they get the pacing as appropiate as you claim it to be? It seems to me that they took a good effort in making AMA as good as possible content wise (reasons for that I already stated above and in my last post) - yeah more budget would always be nice, maybe you could even put some more episodes in there for smoothing the pace a bit - but they took what they had to make the best result that was possible for them. When I say budget, I mean the animation quality and CGI. The fact that they went off canon and decided to put in a helmet just so they could save money and put in CGI Witch Hunter form is the definition of half assed and low budget works. And 20 minute format? They could instead expand the arcs into 3 episodes instead of two. Going off canon from the source material is almost never a good idea unless they put something in original that is just as good as the source material instead. The fact that they change the source material just so they can save money is sad. Silver Link is an upcoming good studio, but I don't give them credit when it is so painfully undeserving such as this adaption. |
hoopla123 said: Caleb8980 said: Thank you for seeing the whole picture :D What you wanted, Dragon_Slayer, was a perfect anime for the LN readers; what SL is giving us is a good anime for anime-only viewers and a decent one (for me at least) for LN readers. I said it before and I'll say it again: a perfect anime for LN readers would have failed completely for the anime-only viewers! Let's go with the pacing: where in the novel would you have ended the first episode? Where the second and the third? How would you have put all that into 20 minutes? What would you have cut for all the scenes you wanted to see - the entire fanservice, which simply is a part of the actual novel? Next the exact ending of each episode: till now SL did a fantastic job at proper endings for their episodes - they end on an interesting note so that viewers actually want to see the next episode to know what will happen; tell me how you would have gotten that by a slower pace? Once more, where should the first episode e. g. end to have such an interesting ending - and what will you do if you with your slower pace end one volume inmid of an episode? Doing some anime-only stuff that is usually hated by all LN readers? Cutting straight into the next novel so you would get an idiotic ending for that episode? Most of the disappointed LN reader crowd I see for any adaptation does not even once think about the time issues animes have. Just more cries about what scene they cut out and how they suck at animating that LN. The primary reason why Asterisk and Radukai are better received is the far bigger LN crowd voting in there - look in the announcement post of the anime: how many LN readers posted anything there? Now look at the same threads for the other 2 series and you will get your answer... The overall quality for Taimadou so far is shit tier. Takeru wasn't even supposed to have his helmet on for his Witch Hunter form. So why did Silver Link put that in? Because they wanted to make the full body armor CGI and putting a CGI head would be stupid so they put in the helmet instead. Also, they didn't bother explaining any of Takeru's skill sets at all either like Soumatou. Details from the fights and battle scenes are missing too. But those have been mentioned multiple times by other users so I won't bother posting it here. And the character designs are way off compared to the LN and overall look very sloppy. But this is something that wouldn't necessarily take away points from the anime itself. Like I said before, if Silver Link put in half the effort and budget of Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan into Taimadou, it would not be so disappointing. Even from an anime only viewer, they can tell that it is a half assed LN adaption anime. It really breaks my heart to see one of my favourite studios adapt one anime really well and the other one (that I like more) with a half assed job. I agree with you one thing though, the pacing, although a bit fast (especially volume 1 because they should have taken time to build Ouka before showing her conviction and somewhat attitude change towards the 35th platoon) is not that bad at all. Volumes 1-4 are pretty generic and volume 5 is when the story gets really good. I just hope that Silver Link can put in more effort into the anime volume 5 onwards. If those are reasons that this is a shit adaptation than you're and others who think like that are pretty spoiled. I wish shows like Mahou Sensou had serious problems on that level. You're dislike of CG or Takeru having his helmet on in Witch Hunter from is no more personal preferences. Hell I prefer him without the helmet too, but nowhere does make the adaptation terrible because of it. We don't need descriptions on Takeru's sword techniques either, this visual medium not a book. They should be hown not explained as if you reading of text. Furthermore it's just flavor text for fancy attacks which entirely inconsequential to plot or characterization. I also have no idea what you mean by lack of effort or detail. Do think that animators, episode directors script writers and such are just sitting around drawing one line then going home? Just because you like the fact that budget for this isn't as high as say Asterisk doesn't mean that staff is lazy. hoopla123 said: And 20 minute format? They could instead expand the arcs into 3 episodes instead of two. The could have expanded first volume for entire season if they wanted too. Doesn't mean would be good idea and all it show director has no understanding of a proper beginning middle and climax is done and he/she far too shackled to LN readers insane and naive expectations to make competent decisions that lead to coherent product. Just because something cut out or shorten doesn't not make a show bad. |
Iron_MawOct 26, 2015 9:43 PM
hoopla123 said: And 20 minute format? They could instead expand the arcs into 3 episodes instead of two. The could have expanded first volume for entire season if they wanted too. Doesn't mean would be good idea and all it show director has no understanding of a proper beginning middle and climax is done and he/she far too shackled to LN readers insane and naive expectations to make competent decisions that lead to coherent product. Just because something cut out or shorten doesn't not make a show bad. |
| ^ It's true that there were many other opportunities to end the episodes. The manga pretty much showed about 10 opportunities considering it was a arc/volume split into 16 chapters. So, there was many more to choose from besides what you mentioned. I wouldn't say SL isn't putting in the effort. It's more like they're being innovative. Not all adaptations can be adapted with as fast a pace as this without straying from the main story. Can't we all accept that SL chose to adapt it this way and not assume it's lack of effort or bad adapting skills. I'll even add that it ain't the budget either. Who can say that SL would do it any differently. I'm sure they would if they were given more episode coverage or didn't have to cover as many volumes. The budge isn't going to change the limited amount of episodes they plan to put 9 volumes into. I'd say that's where the problem lies. |
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Jagd84 said: hoopla123 said: The overall quality for Taimadou so far is shit tier. Takeru wasn't even supposed to have his helmet on for his Witch Hunter form. So why did Silver Link put that in? Because they wanted to make the full body armor CGI and putting a CGI head would be stupid so they put in the helmet instead. Also, they didn't bother explaining any of Takeru's skill sets at all either like Soumatou. Details from the fights and battle scenes are missing too. But those have been mentioned multiple times by other users so I won't bother posting it here. And the character designs are way off compared to the LN and overall look very sloppy. But this is something that wouldn't necessarily take away points from the anime itself. Like I said before, if Silver Link put in half the effort and budget of Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan into Taimadou, it would not be so disappointing. Even from an anime only viewer, they can tell that it is a half assed LN adaption anime. It really breaks my heart to see one of my favourite studios adapt one anime really well and the other one (that I like more) with a half assed job. I agree with you one thing though, the pacing, although a bit fast (especially volume 1 because they should have taken time to build Ouka before showing her conviction and somewhat attitude change towards the 35th platoon) is not that bad at all. Volumes 1-4 are pretty generic and volume 5 is when the story gets really good. I just hope that Silver Link can put in more effort into the anime volume 5 onwards. If those are reasons that this is a shit adaptation than you're and others who think like that are pretty spoiled. I wish shows like Mahou Sensou had serious problems on that level. You're dislike of CG or Takeru having his helmet on in Witch Hunter from is no more personal preferences. Hell I prefer him without the helmet too, but nowhere does make the adaptation terrible because of it. We don't need descriptions on Takeru's sword techniques either, this visual medium not a book. They should be hown not explained as if you reading of text. Furthermore it's just flavor text for fancy attacks which entirely inconsequential to plot or characterization. I also have no idea what you mean by lack of effort or detail. Do think that animators, episode directors script writers and such are just sitting around drawing one line then going home? Just because you like the fact that budget for this isn't as high as say Asterisk doesn't mean that staff is lazy. hoopla123 said: And 20 minute format? They could instead expand the arcs into 3 episodes instead of two. The could have expanded first volume for entire season if they wanted too. Doesn't mean would be good idea and all it show director has no understanding of a proper beginning middle and climax is done and he/she far too shackled to LN readers insane and naive expectations to make competent decisions that lead to coherent product. Just because something cut out or shorten doesn't not make a show bad. So we should always excuse shitty adaptions and animation? I guess we can't blame Pierrot for their shit tier animation and Tokyo Ghoul RE because they had their reasons too right? I mean if everyone had unlimited amount of budget none of this would have happened right? Do you realize how stupid you sound? It's a mediocre LN adaption so far with shitty animation and budget and I just proved to you why. All you are trying to do is sugercoat everything and defend Silver Link by excusing all their faults. With your logic, no one can be critical of any entertainment medium. And personal preference? It's canon material. It is not a matter of preference or not. If they add something in that is not even part of the original source material because they want to do CGI instead to save money, that isn't a matter of preference, it's called deviating from source material and being a shit adaption. Stop sucking on Silver Link's dick. No company should be praised for doing a shit tier job, regardless of their situation. If that's what you are doing, you are just a blind dick sucking retard. |
| "with shitty animation and budget" lol such ignorance |
| lol at this argument XD This is a sub par adaptation, sure. But as stand alone (if you haven't read the LN) it's okay, except for the witch hunter mode attack, it wasn't even animated it just skipped to the end :( |
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hoopla123 said: So we should always excuse shitty adaptions and animation? I guess we can't blame Pierrot for their shit tier animation and Tokyo Ghoul RE because they had their reasons too right? I mean if everyone had unlimited amount of budget none of this would have happened right? Do you realize how stupid you sound? It's a mediocre LN adaption so far with shitty animation and budget and I just proved to you why. All you are trying to do is sugercoat everything and defend Silver Link by excusing all their faults. With your logic, no one can be critical of any entertainment medium. And personal preference? It's canon material. It is not a matter of preference or not. If they add something in that is not even part of the original source material because they want to do CGI instead to save money, that isn't a matter of preference, it's called deviating from source material and being a shit adaption. Stop sucking [up to] Silver Link... No company should be praised for doing a shit tier job, regardless of their situation... No one is excusing the adaptation's flaws. Everyone agrees they exist. They're just dealing with it their own way. Some people, like yourself, like to nitpick every flaw, if it wasn't already obvious enough, and judge the whole anime solely on those areas. Others, try to see the areas they did well in and enjoy it for what it is. It seems you haven't noticed yourself, but nowhere in that quote you picked does money come up as an issue. Your the only one who brought up that SL included the helmet to save money. IMO, it was to make animating the fight scene easier or it just looked better with the helmet on. It's not like they didn't compare it with the helmet off. Deviations from the source material happen in many adaptations. It doesn't change the direction of the story. I'd say FMA is an exception for reasons I'm sure your aware of. No adaptation is perfect for a number of reasons, be it flaws that were intentional or unintentional. Unlimited budget won't change the fact that their will be flaws. Sacrifices will be made in the process. It's the viewer's decision to settle for less as I put it. No one is praising SL for their flaws. They are praising the areas they did well in. If you can't see them and enjoy it for what it is, to bad. Some people can enjoy watching even if the flaws outweigh the good areas. It's clear your not one of them. Seriously, what's with the over the top comment at the end? No one said they love SL for adapting it this way. I did urge people to stop being defensive though. The same can be said for those being offensive. |
ReloadOct 27, 2015 11:29 AM
| Give me at least 5 minutes to modify my post before quoting me. (refreshing page advised) |
| Nice one, Mari... She matches Ouka really well, though. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Caleb8980 said: I agree 100% :D Unfortunately the reality looks like that...I'm honestly fed up with that change in the last few years but the anime producers have to cater to their viewers if they want to sell sth :-( (it is basically the same in the gaming industry - games need more and more mindless action or have to be dumbed down (especially RTS games)) Welp sorry for that one sentence (who are you to...) - I overdid it a bit. :-| Nah i should apologize to you and Jagd84.......i went too overboard as well. My disappointment got the better of me as i expected a bit too much from SL as they have done some good work before. Well i do realize they need to cater to their viewers but this could have been done better..........well no use continuing to cry over spilt milk. Not that i will change my mind about the adaptation and if the next episode isn't too good, i will mostly give up and only watch this just for some animated scenes and the armor designs. Speaking of games, yeah there aren't too many good fps or rts games with proper story line now-a-days. I stick mostly to rpgs and even though they have similar style, they come up with good stories sometimes and game play is never short. That's okay. Like I said, from a source reader perspective I get the frustration. But it is necessary look at the big here picture and not view everything from a vacuum. Other perspectives for this show exists and hey will very different experience depending on whether they familiar with work or not. There no easy way to do an adaptation in general unfortunately because they all heavy rely on how the original was written. Due to that some books simply don't translate well to TV because a TV show's season need a strong continuous beginning, middle and end even the source is on-going. An LN that is too character driven cannot work well unless heavily it's SOL type of where a strong narrative and pacing isn't important and thus there is no need to balance character development with story development. So in otherwords an adaptations to be adjusted to deliver a satisfying experience includes a semi-decent ending to the viewer in a fixed number of time. That requires the staff to look at story and see how far that they can go so nobody feels like too much is unresolved ( subsequently feel like nothing much is happening) and while still making the show a coherent fun experience. Afterall they SL isn't the LB creator, they do things they're own way. The best you can hope is that it is done as best it can. |
Iron_MawOct 28, 2015 3:31 AM
| Half through. A big nope. It was really boring. I'm either gonna struggle watching it or put it on hold and see if it gets better by the end. |
AxerneaOct 31, 2015 10:34 AM
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| Mari (best girl?) was a lot more talkative than expected. |
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| Mari was ... different than I expected? Well looks like they got another tsundere to join their team at any rate. Didn't really think this episode was too great, it felt kind of ... forced I guess? I mean like the whole thing where she doesn't participate but when she does she wins the battle for them ... IDK. Well, it seems like she's lost her memory of helping that other guy and she was framed for murder of those people it seems. Hopefully next episode is better :S |
mrcmc888 said: Jsmithmim said: I have learnt big time how crappy silver link is.. Silver Link hasn't been good since Prisma Illya. They're pretty much the harem trash studio. Wow, the MC's weapon just happens to turn into a loli and call the MC oniichan! What a shocking turn of events! This show has the worst character development of the season. The characters are literally standing there and explaining their extremely cliche motivations and backstories to each other rather than letting you see them and figure it out yourself. The story progression is also laughable, they introduce an antagonist only to put it aside for 15 minutes of witch-chan and Cardboard Tsundere bitching at each other and an obligatory tournament arc. I think the girls' angry voices made my ears bleed. Also, if witch-chan is nice, why does Ouka still hate her guts, especially since the others don't particularly seem to care? This episode made me start to really despise her, as I can't accept "WAHHHH THEY KILLED MY FAMILY SO THEY'RE ALL BAD AND I SHOULD KILL THEM" as an excuse for being rude to someone who's clearly shown herself to be nice. I don't even think the show is awesome or anything but that must be the stupid shit i have read about this show. Are you fucking serious? Wondering on why Ouka isn't all friendly with her because she doesn't seem all that bad? What kind of dreamy fairy tale world have you been growing up were people do not have bigoted ideas or intense preservation and aren't reserved or racist against different people etc? And that with out having their damn family killed. Azai-kun said: Funny that some people (who actually wants to drop this) labeled this show as shit because of its adaptation without barely any knowledge of its original source and whenever LN readers tried to convince them otherwise, they'd still argue back by saying it's still shit and again without factual evidence from the LN to back their disapproval of the show. Are you mental? That is not argument to someone who dislikes the show. Saying the LN is good isn't an argument. They ain't rating the LN, they are rating the anime. What kind of stupid logic is this that you are suppose to rate two different things as the same? I really to not get this stupid logic. The LN and anime have different entries for a reason you know. |
MonadNov 10, 2015 11:03 AM
| Boring as hell, no potential from the beginning. Drop. mrcmc888 said: Jsmithmim said: I have learnt big time how crappy silver link is.. Silver Link hasn't been good since Prisma Illya. They're pretty much the harem trash studio. Lolnope Non non biyori was one of the best series all time. In every aspect especially the art. |
rsc-plNov 27, 2015 2:51 PM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| I like Mari.... And thats about all I like from this episode. The Mari fanservice was awkward and uncalled for... but... not unappreciated.... |
| Be sure to message me if you quoted me and want me to respond! Just give me a link to the forum, because usually I leave my comment, then leave the forum. |
| Something about these girls with scarves that win me over. First Levi from Trinity Seven and now Mari. Gotta admit it was hilarious when she was acting edgy then missed the recycling bin. |
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| Episode starts off with...TsudaKen! Takeru gets an imouto. In a right world, Takeru would have walked in on some HLA. At least he got oppai on his face. Massage from Ikaruga? Go berserk, Takeru! Scumbag Ouka will just walk into someone's office and touch stuff on their desk. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Not gonna lie, Mari is a very unique female character, whos independent, and has a dream and a goal to genuinely make lives better. Ok this ep convinced me I was right to keep on watching this... "This wasn't my fault okay?" Still gets slapped poor guy... |
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| Achievement unlocked: lucky pervert. It was to be expected, that they would clash. And Ouka reading the file spells trouble. I like Mari. Her heart is in the right place. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
| Tsundere, flatchested, another girl of MC harem. MC character is good with his calm act. Good rival between flat and round. |
| Mari is quite the character. Despite some initial, understandable abrasiveness on her part, she's reasonable and astute. Most of the dialogue in this anime so far is witty enough to keep every interaction engaging, which I can appreciate. That said, this anime needs to slow the fuck down. Everyone talks too fast, the scenes play out too fast, and even the chiptune music feels like it was slightly sped up. It's like watching a bunch of 4-koma comic strips in anime format. The writing is pretty good, but I'd like more time to appreciate it. |
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