Veronin said: The plan is actually to make all these votes (the username, not the IP) visible to users as well so that they can easily see when someone is using multiple accounts to upvote a review. What if people just use accounts which you can't tell apart from legitimate ones? |
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| There is currently no intention to bring back the "Not Helpful" button. Other sorting mechanics are being worked on to replace it. There have been minor changes to the review system, adding of permalinks, increase of minimum char cap to 500, etc already. Please be patient, the devs are currently working on it, we just don't have an ETA yet. Serhiyko said: Veronin said: The plan is actually to make all these votes (the username, not the IP) visible to users as well so that they can easily see when someone is using multiple accounts to upvote a review. What if people just use accounts which you can't tell apart from legitimate ones? As most of these accounts are alternative accounts, they are rather easy to identify (empty lists, no forum posts, etc.). At least one forum moderator works tightly together with the review moderators, so it's possible to check the IP and other things. |
_Ghost_ said: There have been minor changes to the review system, adding of permalinks, increase of minimum char cap to 500, etc already. Please be patient, the devs are currently working on it, we just don't have an ETA yet. The word you're looking for is faith, not patience. Patience is something you have when you're waiting for a deadline to be reached or a new update thread to be posted. What we have here is pure faith, like those who believe Jesus will come back someday. Just 4 posts before me and Comic_Sans reminded that what makes most of the community impatient and in disbelief is the lack of communication, not solely the delay. Are the new devs some former-NEET otaku who can't speak English or something? Oh, and I wouldn't use these "minor updates" as examples if I were you. The hyperlink probably took 3-4 lines of code and the char limit requires a single digit to be changed. If that's what they did in 2 months, more than 1 year since they took over from Crave and more than 3 years since requested... then I'm afraid to guess how long this full revamp gonna take. |
xbobxNov 17, 2015 10:44 AM
| For some reason you seem to have missed my post, _Ghost_ and Veronin, so I'll go ahead and ask you once again. How come that we still, after almost three months, haven't heard from the development team? Is it really so exhausting for them to, every now and then, create a thread where they announce how much they've progressed so far? Or are they simply incapable of speaking English? If so, it should be up to one of you moderators to verify how they're doing and then pass on the information to us normal unalmighty MAL users. No matter how you look at it, upgrading a feature although the new version has not been fully developed yet on a website that has millions and millions of visitors each year and then failing to communicate crucial information to the users for months is not professional. |
Comic_SansNov 17, 2015 12:46 PM
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| When was MAL ever professional? |
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OppaiSugoi said: Never, but they should at least try to beWhen was MAL ever professional? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: How come that we still, after almost three months, haven't heard from the development team? Is it really so exhausting for them to, every now and then, create a thread where they announce how much they've progressed so far? Or are they simply incapable of speaking English? If so, it should be up to one of you moderators to verify how they're doing and then pass on the information to us normal unalmighty MAL users she has a point you know. |
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EvenJellyOn said: Add it back but let the users who upvote/downvote be showned? I think butthurt reviewers will spam and insult the people who downvote their reviews |
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Lovely said: I think butthurt reviewers will spam and insult the people who downvote their reviews I don't believe that would happen any more frequently than the people reading reviews spamming and insulting the reviewer. How often does that happen now? But it doesn't matter. Think rationally. We will get the Helpful vs Time sorting option in due time. Preferably set on default. Preferably alongside other balancing types of ordering. Until then, just focus on something other than reviews... From the developer's end, an ETA would be appropriate, however. Elsewhere, it is general courtesy to share it when announcing such a change. |
| Couldn't we have 'not helpful' as an isolated count? If it doesn't have any direct bearing on ranking/visibility, I don't see why any reviewer would be particularly upset by that. Then we could even have more secondary sorting options (by n-h count or helpful v nh,) which would be invaluable for heavily reviewed entries. A disagreeing sentiment is just as valuable an indicator as a positive one. |
| Reviews have now been reduced to 10/10 reviews mass-upvoted by fanboys and 1-4/10 reviews mass-upvoted by 'haters'. So, not a lot has changed, in truth, but there is little to no middle-ground now since the few negative reviews are being boosted to counter the more vanilla 'easy' high-score reviews. It's the height of incompetence to remove a function, add nothing and give no ETA/updates on "planned updates" for three months. Jut saying... |
| thx u mods for ruining how ppl find anime to watch when ppl come and see 4s for anime that have high scores and should be considered good/would have been balanced out with helpful and not helpful, now u ruined an entire system and an entire outlook on new anime fans who take ratings and reviews srsly idc cuz it doesnt affect me personally but mal review system will now have a big impact on new ppl |
Ckan said: This pls. Ckan knows what's up. Couldn't we have 'not helpful' as an isolated count? If it doesn't have any direct bearing on ranking/visibility, I don't see why any reviewer would be particularly upset by that. Then we could even have more secondary sorting options (by n-h count or helpful v nh,) which would be invaluable for heavily reviewed entries. A disagreeing sentiment is just as valuable an indicator as a positive one. I don't see what the point of removing the feature was. poorly written reviews should be displayed as such. |
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| ^ The reason is literally written in the announcement thread and yes, the removal was necessary. The only thing that isn't necessary is this void time gap where the voting option was removed, but different ordering styles aren't released yet. It would be best released together, but it wasn't; deal with it. Now, just be patient and wait for those ordering styles, most anticipated being the Helpful vs Time... |
| ^ and it's literally not a solution. Have it display the users voting, but keep the not helpful votes. Time does nothing, when not helpful isn't even considered towards to ratio of whether or not a review is validly sound. Veronin said: The plan is actually to make all these votes (the username, not the IP) visible to users as well so that they can easily see when someone is using multiple accounts to upvote a review. The unhelpful button was removed primarily because it would not work with this system: reviewers would downvote people who downvoted their own reviews, attack and insult each other, and so on. We'd just be replacing drama with more drama. Making the votes visible only to moderators is also not possible since we do not have the time or resources to investigate every single review in the off chance that there may be vote manipulation. Making it public is the best way to discourage people from doing it and to find the ones who do. Don't think people would go as far to attack random people nonstop who vote not helpful. //or again, like ckan stated, separate displays. The entire point of not helpful feature was to distinguish reviews based on percentages of helpfulness. This also gave newer reviews room to be noticed. Your new feature does nothing of the sort. |
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shuryukan said: The entire point of not helpful feature was to distinguish reviews based on percentages of helpfulness. Obviously. It had one job and it sucked in it. Not because the system was bad, but because the community is bad. Just look at steam reviews. The good reviews there have 80-90+% positive feedback (even if the review was "not recomended"). Here the BEST percentage was around 55-60%. And if you dared to speak shit about some mainstream anime then your review was buried (unless its mainstream to hate that anime, in that case the positive reviews buried). |
Delenai said: While true good reviews had many dislikes, they were still at the top. shuryukan said: The entire point of not helpful feature was to distinguish reviews based on percentages of helpfulness. Obviously. It had one job and it sucked in it. Not because the system was bad, but because the community is bad. Just look at steam reviews. The good reviews there have 80-90+% positive feedback (even if the review was "not recomended"). Here the BEST percentage was around 55-60%. And if you dared to speak shit about some mainstream anime then your review was buried (unless its mainstream to hate that anime, in that case the positive reviews buried). Now, there are tons of hate reviews at the top solely because they're hate reviews. This was never an issue before because a large portion of users took consideration into actually clicking not helpful for bad reviews. |
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shuryukan said: Show me an example.Now, there are tons of hate reviews at the top solely because they're hate reviews. This was never an issue before because a large portion of users took consideration into actually clicking not helpful for bad reviews. So far I didn't see a single hate review that get on the top just because of this change. There were tons of like that before too *cough* SAO *cough* |
Delenai said: shuryukan said: Show me an example.Now, there are tons of hate reviews at the top solely because they're hate reviews. This was never an issue before because a large portion of users took consideration into actually clicking not helpful for bad reviews. So far I didn't see a single hate review that get on the top just because of this change. There were tons of like that before too *cough* SAO *cough* This actually isn't limited to hate reviews. There are positive reviews as well, but are really poorly written, but stay at top because they're older/ obtained more helpfuls at the very start/are the only or first reviews that go against the norm for the sake of going against the norm, and there's nothing to distinguish the percentage of users that find the review helpful or not. Here's an example where both the top two reviews are really poorly written. One offers nothing but "it's good, it's awesome" etc. The other provides false information, and is also subject to the same thing the former does, except in the opposite fashion, halfway through the review. Here is an example where a review remains at the top because it's relatively one of the only ones that praises the show, even though it offers relatively nothing. Really good example of where more critical, but in depth and honest reviews, get shunned, and the top remains one that spreads misinformation, irrelevant information, random comparisons, and offers no real new insight. I'm not sure what you were addressing in SAO reviews. All of the top reviews I see are very detailed, well written, and give viewers insight on what to expect. edit: typos |
210125Nov 19, 2015 2:10 PM
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| @shuryukan 1st example: Nothing much here, you can find these reviews on every overhyped anime. Someone didn't read the manga but hear the hype over it and then when it became an anime he just go "shit is real" and do this kind of review. The other one is a hater or a self-made anime expert (with around 50 titles on his list uhhh...). You can find these kind of kids on EVERY anime page. And yes these reviews are bad, but why? Because they submitted their reviews as soon they can, just like every other reviewer so far (so there aren't a better one). The better reviews will come later, when the anime is runned out or about 3/4. Maybe those will not be on the top, but this can be fixed with some things and not only with bringing back the "not aggree" button. 2nd example: Probably wrong link. The first review that praise the anime is the 5th or 6th (I will not count it) 3rd example: Its not really shunned even the first review only had a little more than 50 votes. I kind of surprized I thought this anime is more famous. Edit: With the SAO example I meant the hate reviews. I mean its ok to not like it but rate it only 3-1 is just fcking too much. |
DelenaiNov 19, 2015 2:45 PM
| They didn't last in the past, or at least from what I saw. If there's another solution, I'm all ears, but I'm not quite seeing what this "helpful vs time" suggestion subpyro mentioned can offer. It's the right link. 5th from 60+ reviews(?) (I stopped after the 5th page) That's amongst the top imo. Poor choice of words on my part, I suppose. I've nothing against hate reviews if it's supported with actual details and reasoning.. The reviews there rated 1-3, are very thoroughly explained. They are quite lengthy, but if you take the time to read some of them (or just skim if you really don't want to), you'll notice they're not typical troll-hate reviews. I definitely agree with sub that there's nothing we can really do besides wait at this time, but this thread is still a suggestion, and clearly supported by many people. |
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| This helpful vs time is (e.g.): A review has 300 helpful and its submitted 30 days ago. B review has 40 helpful and submitted 1 day ago (quite popular heh?) The calculation is: A 300/30=10 B 40/1=40 10<40--->B review will be on the top. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The time passed (30 days) and sadly none of the reviews get new helpful: A review has 300 helpful and its submitted 60 days ago. B review has 40 helpful and submitted 31 days ago The calculation is: A 300/60=5 B 40/31=~1,3 5>~1.3--->A review will be on the top. I hope its understandable. Well these are just the basics. It can be further balance with for example not counting days but 2 days or weeks etc. |
| This again favors older reviews in the long run, while giving newer reviews a very short chance at acquiring any sort of recognition. (emphasis on chance, if their review isn't continuously being upvoted in 'helpful' they will eventually fall) It further doesn't deal with bad reviews that are on top, at all. And I mean, at all. |
210125Nov 19, 2015 3:24 PM
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| 1+1=2, also. Hope that helps. The best example of this new 'minority mass +1's negative reviews', as if to counter the current review system, is Prison School's current #1 review: http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?id=30240 8.19 average vs. 3/10 #1 review. Clearly that wouldn't be the case, for better or worse, if users could still up AND downvote reviews. Now it's a case of +1ing 10/10 if you like and +1 1-4/10 if you dislike. |
| Good or bad is subjective and what's not helpful to you may be extremely helpful to another. I can see some merit in having a button that says not helpful but this can also be abused to push down other people's reviews while propping up others and I don't really like that. It's been horribly abused by the paid reviewers on Amazon for years and it does NOT reflect anything other than people gaming the system. For instance you say: good anime like High School DxD but I consider High School DxD to be a horrible anime. I don't like it and it's unwatchable to me but that's just my opinion. Your opinion that it is good is every bit as valid as my opinion that it is bad. Good, bad, it's all subjective. Helpful, not helpful is the same. Now if someone's posting a review for freaking pop tarts when it's supposed to be an anime review then I can see it or if they're just way off topic but isn't there already a way to report that? |
Ckan said: Couldn't we have 'not helpful' as an isolated count? If it doesn't have any direct bearing on ranking/visibility, I don't see why any reviewer would be particularly upset by that. Then we could even have more secondary sorting options (by n-h count or helpful v nh,) which would be invaluable for heavily reviewed entries. A disagreeing sentiment is just as valuable an indicator as a positive one. agree, now that they have introduced the sorting by only "helpful" and are planning to use that as default on the main anime page, they have already fixed most of the downsides of the "not helpful", by removing it's visibility so now they could bring it back, since it won't have any effect aside for who is interested in sorting by also including the "not helpful", assuming they include more sorting options by bringing it back helpful alone can't be used to recognize quality, it can at most recognize popularity (people unable to see the difference is an other problem) the sorting alone was most of the solution to the "abuse of not helpful", if they had implemented the sorting first they wouldn't have needed to remove the "not helpful" _Ghost_ said: i've some doubts a sorting can replace a voteOther sorting mechanics are being worked on to replace it. Stupid_Yuji said: helpful and not helpful were meant to be used to vote how much the review was helpful=informative, not how much you agreed with the reviewer opinion, and also the not helpful abuse did originate from that misuse of the votesFor instance you say: good anime like High School DxD but I consider High School DxD to be a horrible anime. I don't like it and it's unwatchable to me but that's just my opinion. which is an other reason why positive and negative reviews should be sorted separately, as someone already suggested (regardless if the not helpful is reintroduced or not) for anyone with other ideas how to improve the reviews, there is a thread with listed most of the suggestions New ideas and suggestions for reviews |
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| This is the first sentence of the top rated review for Akame ga Kill! lonelyintrovert said: One misconception in the anime industry is that when a show is dark and contains excessive amounts of gore. What kind of site doesn't let someone down-vote something as despicable as that? |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| Duplicate thread merged. At the moment this still stands. _Ghost_ said: There is currently no intention to bring back the "Not Helpful" button. Other sorting mechanics are being worked on to replace it. There have been minor changes to the review system, adding of permalinks, increase of minimum char cap to 500, etc already. Please be patient, the devs are currently working on it, we just don't have an ETA yet. |
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Caelidesu said: This is the first sentence of the top rated review for Akame ga Kill! lonelyintrovert said: One misconception in the anime industry is that when a show is dark and contains excessive amounts of gore. What kind of site doesn't let someone down-vote something as despicable as that? Yea I don't see the point you're trying to make. What part of my review is so despicable? The review was also made when the not helpful button was still there, so it has nothing to do with the not helpful button. If you're trying to make an argument try to be at least somewhat constructive. I can't take you seriously like this. |
lollithApr 28, 2016 5:51 PM
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lonelyintrovert said: Caelidesu said: This is the first sentence of the top rated review for Akame ga Kill! What kind of site doesn't let someone down-vote something as despicable as that? Yea I don't see the point you're trying to make. What part of my review is so despicable? The review was also made when the not helpful button was still there, so it has nothing to do with the not helpful button. If you're trying to make an argument try to be at least somewhat constructive. I can't take you seriously like this. I wasn't picking on you. Your review happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak. It's just incredibly annoying that I'm no longer able to flag a review with a totally nonsensical opening as 'not helpful'. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| I tried sorting the reviews by "most recent", and discovered the harsh truth: most of these new reviews (in the first page) do not even have more than 10 helpful votes. Not to brag or anything, but when the "Not Helpful" button was still present, my older reviews could amass 10-20 helpful votes (needless to say I am very happy about it), but now it is very difficult to get past the "5 helpful" mark, and the votes will not change anymore after 24 hours had passed since I submitted a review. This really hurts the newer reviews, at this rate, if you want to get more recognition, either you hastily be the first one to review a series, or review a not so well known series. Quality, sad to say this but, at the looks of it, seems totally irrelevant. In some way, the "not helpful" votes are a great indicator to know how well my review is written. Even at say, "10 out of 50 found this review helpful", you will still be glad to know that 50 people had given the time to read (hopefully) and graded your review. But now, all you get is "10 people found this helpful", which obviously sounds very less convincing, as if nobody is reading my review. I love this site, hopefully the devs can find the best solution and tackle this issue. Currently, I support the idea of bringing back the "not helpful" button and return things as it was before. |
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| I think that this button should be returned only after the implementation of that feature: 4. Due to the massive drama surrounding review voting lately and the opportunity presenting itself, I have asked Xinil to code me the ability to see which user accounts vote on which reviews. I do not currently have an ETA on when we will see this change, but I hope it will be within the next few months. Since this is now in progress, I would like to ask that all reviewers/readers: • Stop making new accounts to up/down vote reviews immediately. Please do not contribute to the problem and my workload. • Private message me with the accounts that you have already used to up/down vote reviews. If you take responsibility for your actions now, it will be much less painful than if I need to forcefully encourage you to stop. • Do not accuse other reviewers of up/down voting reviews. Please do not contribute to the drama. Once the change is pushed, I will open a request thread in the Support board for requesting your reviews to be checked for down votes. @Kineta http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=734639 P.S. Any news on this one? |
TyrelJun 5, 2016 1:12 PM
| I really dont get this trend of websites removing any options that are "negative" in relation to rating something. Previously on MAL, you could mark a review as "Helpful" or not, contributing to an aggregate score of how many other users thought the same. This was very useful, as you could check the scores of reviews beforehand to judge their quality based on the ratio of likes. Now, as any "Not Helpful" scores have been removed, many garbage reviews sit at the top of review lists simply for being older then others. This feature needs to be added back, badly. Don't fix what isn't broken, or saw it off and throw it away, for that matter. |
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| Here we go again. EDIT: Against. I do want to return it; however, it should only return when Xinil finally codes this: |
BilgameshJun 5, 2016 3:44 AM
| There should be "read" and "helpful". "Read" would sound less negative then "not helpful". "Helpful" would mean you have read it (otherwise you could not know wether it was helpful or not) and thought it was helpful. I agree that a 2nd value is needed. Otherwise it would be possible to have a review with 40 "helpful" that 4000 people read. And another review with 30 "helpful" that 31 people read. And the one with 40 helpful seems better - which is wrong. For sites like Facebook where those likes are not important for chosing which posts to read it is okay to not have a 2nd option to dislike or something similar. But here obviously it is needed to give a good enough info that helps others to decide which review to read. |
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| I think they should bring it back, along with the funny button. |
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| A couple things came to mind: 1. Remove the "Overall Rating" that the reviewer scored the anime/manga as (and collapse the text body so that it isn't revealed without actually clicking the review). 2. The main purpose of a review is to allow someone who hasn't seen the anime yet to make a determination on whether to watch it or not. How helpful a review is should be judged only by those who haven't seen the anime yet. In other words the Helpful (and possibly returned Not Helpful buttons) should be grayed out to anybody who has that title marked as Watching, Completed, On Hold or Dropped. If it's just PTW or not listed in his/her MAL then the button(s) become available. The moment the title is entered as Watching, Completed, On-Hold or Dropped the "vote" is removed. Item (1) would make it harder to up/down vote by fanboys or haters simply based on the score the reviewer has given the anime. Item (2) would be a truer measure of the helpfulness of the review rather than a way of agreeing or disagreeing with the score because it would be decided by people who haven't seen the anime yet and are voting on the helpfulness of the review rather than using the review system as mechanism to show their love or hate for the anime. |
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Tensho said: By "other sorting mechanics", are they referring to a system that doesn't determine the top reviews only by Helpful votes? For example, a system where review age can bring reviews down, to prevent them from starving out newer reviews.Duplicate thread merged. At the moment this still stands. _Ghost_ said: There is currently no intention to bring back the "Not Helpful" button. Other sorting mechanics are being worked on to replace it. There have been minor changes to the review system, adding of permalinks, increase of minimum char cap to 500, etc already. Please be patient, the devs are currently working on it, we just don't have an ETA yet. |
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| Oh another question just came to my mind: I saw back in the thread that it was a problem with people that used alt accounts to downvote other reviews - and that is why they removed that option. But: What does prevent them to just do a similar thing. I mean with 3 reviews: A, B, C they would have just made 500 accounts to downvote B and C each 500 times (and maybe even upvote A by 500 for a total difference of 1000). The problem should actually not be solved by removing "not helpful". Cause you can still push A by just making 1000 accounts and upvote it by 1000 - total difference 1000. Similar effect. So I do not really see a reason to keep this option removed. Or are there other reasons - besides "it looks negative". If you made it like I suggested above ("read" vs "helpful") - you could only show the "helpful". The "read" would look less negative and the total "read" would not even need to be displayed (only kept internally for sort/ordering). |
MoFried said: By "other sorting mechanics", are they referring to a system that doesn't determine the top reviews only by Helpful votes? For example, a system where review age can bring reviews down, to prevent them from starving out newer reviews. It's already implemented. I don't think you can change the method used on the main page but in the reviews page, you can choose from a number of sorting methods. |
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Tensho said: It's already implemented. I don't think you can change the method used on the main page but in the reviews page, you can choose from a number of sorting methods. The weighted option does literally nothing different the "All Time" option now. This is precisely the problem. As there is no option to dislike a review, there is no way of weighing them, and no way of balancing out what ones are actually quality. |
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| There are more bad reviews than good ones, and lots of them at the front page of certain anime just because 40 or so people thought it was "Helpful', meanwhile the other 100 that didn't find them "Helpful" can't express how bad the review was without resorting to what some might consider "harassment".. We need a better way to express how we feel about reviews besides the "Helpful" that means you liked them. |
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| There is a "weighted" thing which I believe is related to the amount of people who have seen the review vs. the number of people who thought it was helpful (this means that reviews that are at the top but don't get any additionally "helpful"s for a while will eventually fall down the list). This isn't a perfect system, though, but it's much better than just showing the reviews in order of how many helpful votes they get. The problem with the current system is that it treats "meh" and "this is completely misleading" as the same response. |
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| You don't want those poor reviewers to have their feelings hurt from getting negative feedback, do you? |
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| If only the would! But they won't, because NEGATIVITY and awww damn meaningless hate votes. Not to mention the dangerous devwork that would be involved. And how dare you complain when we now have all these wonderful sorting options for far fairer review representation. #bringbacknothelpful |
CkanDec 5, 2016 12:10 AM
| ye sure since even facebook has some sort of dislike buttons now like the angry button |
| I doubt you can measure how many people have seen a review. Just because it is on the main "Details" page doesn't mean it is the same for every anime. Popular anime like "Death Note" probably get more visitors and would need a lot more "Helpful" votes then. But they have the advantage that too many people might be too lazy to look through all the other reviews (more clicking, going to the "Review" tab that lists all reviews and reading them). So they might be okay with that is shown on the "Details" page (or not knowing that there might be better ones). They might give their "Helpful" vote even if they think it was average at max. (And if not all of them were helpful then voting for the 1 or 2 best from those 4 that are shown.) Make a "read" (meaning someone read it but it wasn't helpful). Would sound less negative than "not helpful" while even more people would click it. (Even people that don't want to hurt others might want to click it.) Or bring back the "Not helpful" but don't show the amount of people that voted for it (show it only to moderators). So it would not cause much trouble. Besides that: Show one negative (reviwer gave lower score) review and 1 new review (choose them randomly). Then show 1 better review randomly. And for the 4th review take the one with the best amount/ratio of helpful to "read" votes. The way it is now - as long as there are enough rewiews with enough votes there is no incentive to write another review. Most people probably won't see. (Meaning only for very old stuff without reviews or airing stuff - when you are fast enough to write one - it would be interesting.) |
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