Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Episode 12 Discussion

TheHatredDMC said:
I kinda don't like how everyone who bothers Bell gets scared only because of him knowing the Sword Princess.(Its like he still can't stand up for himself unless the plot calls for him to do so) The piggyback ride from Hestia(her face was cute),Hermes(My bro)sneaks a peak while MC does typical lameness routine(this is getting old)from looking at naked chicks.

I remember one of the Amazon chicks being flat, where did the chest increments come from? Either way I call BS(what's wrong with small chested girls Japan? The models look a little off for some reason(I think I watch a lot of bath scenes to notice it). Eh. Oh well. Ryu shares some of her past(but since its the second to last episode I don't know why they waited til now to tell us about it. A bit too late to do it now but I guess it needed to be done right?)

The people at the bar have a point(a point I've been complaining about for a while now: about Bell reaching here when it took stronger people much longer to do so which brings another question: if this is real life how is one person not noticing that Bell has been cheating? I call BS on so many lvls its not funny.

Now he can sense invisible people!?!?!?!?!!? Plot devices man!!

Now he can sense invisible people!?!?!?!?!!? Plot devices man!!

The people at the bar have a point(a point I've been complaining about for a while now: about Bell reaching here when it took stronger people much longer to do so which brings another question: if this is real life how is one person not noticing that Bell has been cheating? I call BS on so many lvls its not funny.

Zefyris said:

Rather than the sword princess herself, it's the fact that he's buddy with a top brass from the Loki familia. Sure the reputation of the sword princess is intimidating, but that's nowhere near the simple idea of angering Loki familia. Just like the Freiya familia, smaller familia knows this very well: if you don't want your familia to be crushed like an ant, you don't fuck with any of those two familia. Even the gods themselves mainly follows that rule.


Actually that's not. Forshadowed quite a bit (even foreshadowed in episode 1 of the anime despite all the things that were removed). Don't you remember that he was right from the start able to sense peoples' sight on him quite precisely? It only developed over the course of the story, and finally reached this level.


There was actually calls for Hestia cheating with Bell during a whole event that was skipped by the anime (the assembly of gods deciding on the alias of any familia member leveling up), especially from Loki.
So yeah, there is quite a bit of peoples.
BTW he's not cheating per se despite those calls. Having a rare ability isn't cheating. And forcing to reveal the stats/abilities of one of your familia member to another person outside of the familia is against the rules.

TheHatredDMC said:


But have they ever call on anyone breaking the rules? No. In the Anime its like they gave a giant middle finger(no wonder why people compare this to SAO.)

About the(I know its not but its not that different)guild thing, isn't the top brass the Sword Princess in the Loki Guild?(I feel you're repeating what I said about that)

A rare skill is one thing but when only 1 person has this said skill I call plot devices or cheating(or both at this point) this reminds me of how Kirito from SAO(Yet another SAO reference)has the exclusive skill only ONE PERSON CAN GET(but I heard some others had it but I don't read LN'S I tried but they put me to sleep. Is that bad that the story doesn't grip me?)Dual Wield.

Either way that's some bizarrely convenient Bullcrap.

Zefyris said:

That whole scene about the gods asking Hestia for cheating (since if someone can cheat, that would be Bell's god rather than Bell himself, who cannot do that on his own and it's pretty obvious for the gods who can perceive when a mortal lies that Bell is too young, innocent and good willed to wilfully cheat anyway) was in volume 4. A volume that they adapted in one.single.episode (episode 9 ).
So yeah they skipped the whole scene obviously. I really complained when they did that.
So there was questioning for cheating suspicion indeed. But not in the rushed anime version, yes, and that's one of the MANY important things the anime removed. Hestia's boobs were more important than explaining and developping stuff properly(and judging by the sales boost, I 'm afraid they knew what they were doing here) for the anime version.

You cannot call on plot device here. Because the whole story IS about a character who got his rare skill at the beginning of the story.
You cannot reverse the logic here. It's not "by luck a character who happens to be the MC receive a rare skill lol asspull". It's "the main character is someone who received a rare skill".

Besides, here's tons of peoples with OP rare skills in Danmachi. Welf, Mikoto has 2+ one third rare skill not OP, Asufi, Ryu, Ais has two, the two Hiryute sisters have one each, Finn, Riveria has two as well, Lefiya has the most OP rare skill ever, lili has one too (although not overpowered), and so on. The reason the story is following bell IS because he got that rare skill. If someone got it instead, we would be following that character instead. And all the character I listed where present in the anime, too.

As long as Hestia doesn't cheat, rare skill is fair game and neither gods nor familia can say anything.
It's very different from SAO. If a situation similar to danmachi would be put in SAO, it would be : "Kirito has the rare skill right from level 1, and tons of other players also have a rare skill including very OP ones, because the game has a system of rewarding players with rare skill on a regular basis".

TheHatredDMC said:


But do their skills involve stat raising like his did? If not that's more bizarre convenient bullcrap. His skill revolves on being able to lvl the fastest(convenient Bullcrap)to the point he did it faster than those who are obviously better than him which makes me ask more questions

1. Did anyone ever catch on to why he was able to?(If not super bizarre bullcrap because any normal person would've suspected cheating)
2. Why did they have the Sword Princess leave the final fight rather than stay and kill the "Titan" faster?
3. I thought Goddeses weren't allowed to enter the dungeons? Or did they just not give a fuck anymore?
4. I noticed no one died in the battle against the Titan. Seriously bizarre bullcrap(any other major boss fight there would be plenty of deaths. Or they just didn't care to mention anyone would may have died.)
5. The lvl system makes me believe that this is more of a game than life(like SAO). What is the highest lvl? If Bell can lvl faster, wouldn't he be on a higher the the Sword Princess? That kinda sucks on her part to be honest as I feel the show is catering to him(a rookie over a veteran master).

*Try not to hate on me as I'm an Anime Watcher and answer so if I read the answers it won't feel as if you're using sarcasm as if I were to understand stuff not explained in the Anime due to BS reasons)

Zefyris said:

Woops sorry, I completely missed that one despite the notifications.


"involving stat raising "
By all means yes, several of them are (especially Haruhime and Ais), but each of them in their different way. The way his skill work on stats is pretty unique, with a very unique condition to stay active too (keeping being in love). Which isn't especially surprising considering that lots of OP rare skill are extremely unique in the way they work. "Thousand Elves" Lefiya or "Nine Hell" Riveria for example have an extremely unique way to alter their casted spells. Welf's rare skill, as well as Asufi's rare skill are makign them completely unique as crafter as well

Also, even without this, a rare skill is usually giving you a strong advantage while grinding xp in the dungeon, which in turn help you levelling up faster. It's no surprise nor coincidence that most high level adventurers had a rare skill earlier. This helps a ton.

2) The sword princess wasn't here any more, it seems you missed it. All the Loki familia left the 18th floor one or two hours before those events happened. And even if they noticed the problem (they actually did not as we know it from Sword Oratoria 5, however they perceived the huge shaking and got a bit worried as what was happening in lower floor to create this, but didn't turn back for valid reasons - besides they didn't know it was floor 18 where it was happening) they wouldn't have been able to help due to the cave in that happened to close the way up from floor 18.

3) They aren't. This is a rule between gods though, so mortals don't have a say in this. Entering isn't considering cheating so it doesn't mean the will be sent back to heaven just for this, but after they'll come back Ouranos (therefore the Guild) is going to punish both of them (they will have to pay a heavy fine for their recklessness). This is something happening right at the beginning of the next volume. Ouranos will scale the fine with their current asset so Hestia will have to pay far less than Hermes btw.

4) They were more than 500. And I'm seriously not sure no one day. But then again, anyone heavily wounded wasn't isolated and could receive quick healing either by a mage (there were mage assigned in the raid to help/save others, that was part of their job. ) or a supporter with potions. Considering the town was right behind them with Supporters going back and forth to bring a constant amount of supplies to the fighter, there is no doubt that there was always a correct amount of potions available.
But the real reason no or almost no casualty happened is Asufi and Ryu tanking it. They tanked it non stop and therefore avoided the boss hitting anyone else (except with his shout). WHich means that the onl ything that hit the other was the shout and the adds, which are level 2 monsters that all those level 2 adventurers are sued to fight. Even if one adventurer was going down, there was peoples to cover for them while supporter where evacuating them and healers coming to help.
It almost went haywire though, and there's no doubt that if started to go haywire deaths would have very quickly piled up, but due to the tanks holding in the whole fight, such situation was avoided.

Peoples from the town are used to fight together in Raid as they hunt the boss from floor 17 regularly. They are coordinated.

5) There is no highest level. It's harder and harder to level up as you pass level. Current highest is 7, but it's unknown if there wasn't higher than that before.
Bell has a huge level to level up quickly after a while. Further down floor require a party, you can't go alone except if you're quite higher level than the zone.
The thing is, there's no one else in his regular party that can keep up with his leveling speed so he doesn't have a party that can take the hit of lower floors.

So considering that Ais has several level above and has a party that can go down enough to have her fight monsters of her level, Bell catching up isn't goiçng to be that easy.


And I don't hate on you, why would I do that.

Sundri said:
A lot of people are disliking Hestia, but the character I hate the most is Bell himself. He's such a spineless fucking beta, and it's almost painful to watch at times.

TrumpMD said:
Bell still sucks. Once again getting bailed out by others as usual. Inexplicable harem.

Sundri said:
A lot of people are disliking Hestia, but the character I hate the most is Bell himself. He's such a spineless fucking beta, and it's almost painful to watch at times.