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Feb 8, 2008 12:27 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Yet another tense episode, kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time. Really want to know what happens next!!

Anyways, I wonder what purpose all the guys that fell off the beams in the first game that came into the room will have in the next few episodes.
 
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Feb 8, 2008 1:09 PM

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Anyways, I wonder what purpose all the guys that fell off the beams in the first game that came into the room will have in the next few episodes.

Just a wild guess, but if things get tight for Kaiji maybe Tonegawa and co will give him an offer to bet their lives instead of those few millimeters that will kill his left ear.
One never knows, but I actually think it's going to be something along those lines...
 
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Feb 8, 2008 1:25 PM

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Yea thats what I was thinking, probably tell the guys in the back that if they offer their lives as a bet they can get paid if Kaiji wins. Would setup another 'insulting the poor/greedy/desperate' rant from Tonegawa at least and make for some interesting begging from the guys in the back for Kaiji to pick them.
 
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Yea, that certainly sounds possible. Even Kaiji might consider it as he saves them if he wins. But still, betting other people's lives is not something Kaiji would do...
 
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Feb 8, 2008 2:08 PM

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That would be fun, "I bet their ears and if I win you give me 20 million."


 
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Feb 8, 2008 2:10 PM

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The thought of a drill piercing my ear is still giving me shivers. But I'm a bit disappointed in Kaiji, he shouldn't have let his guard down.
 
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Feb 8, 2008 2:45 PM

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Good episode. It is getting really intense now. Although, I am getting annoyed at some of Kaiji's reactions. Like when he threw a fit ater he got "tricked" at the beginning.

 
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Feb 8, 2008 4:30 PM

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The psychological battle in E Card has truly begun now. This is the stuff that truly rocks my soul. xD
 
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Feb 8, 2008 4:31 PM

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Dude, I never even thought about what the sound of the drill would do to your ears. AHHHHHHHHH
 
Feb 8, 2008 4:32 PM

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Tonegawa is hardcore.

I am such a masochist for watching this show. Cliffhangers will be the death of me.
 
Feb 8, 2008 6:49 PM

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Drill, Drill, Drill... LOL
 
Feb 8, 2008 6:50 PM

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And Tonegawa finally shows his Akagi blood. Kaiji's going to get hammered, because nobody beats Akagi blood.
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Feb 8, 2008 6:57 PM

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Neverender said:
Dude, I never even thought about what the sound of the drill would do to your ears. AHHHHHHHHH
Yeah, I never though about it either. OW :(

And I agree with you guys, I hope something happens with the dudes in the back.

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Feb 8, 2008 7:05 PM

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Neverender said:
Dude, I never even thought about what the sound of the drill would do to your ears. AHHHHHHHHH

It would have been a great sound design choice to have that high pitch winding cranked up on only the left channel.



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Feb 8, 2008 9:08 PM

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Neverender said:
Dude, I never even thought about what the sound of the drill would do to your ears. AHHHHHHHHH

It would have been a great sound design choice to have that high pitch winding cranked up on only the left channel.


And the old dude saying "Drill Drill Drill" on the right.
 
Feb 9, 2008 5:42 AM
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Nice episode. Loved the intensity of it.
Seems to me Kaiji will try to fake emotions next episode, to try to throw Tonegawa off. Also interesting to see what part those "beam-rejects" will play.

playconn said:
TheWestExit said:
Neverender said:
Dude, I never even thought about what the sound of the drill would do to your ears. AHHHHHHHHH

It would have been a great sound design choice to have that high pitch winding cranked up on only the left channel.


And the old dude saying "Drill Drill Drill" on the right.
And then someone makes a techno remix out of it. :D
 
Feb 9, 2008 6:08 AM
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Intense episode!

Ahhh

Kaiji should STFU and don't tell tonigawa anything he figures out...
 
Feb 9, 2008 11:52 AM

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The old man saying Drill Drill Drill creeps me out more than Tonegawa
 
Feb 9, 2008 12:22 PM

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Drill Drill Drill.

Hmmm i just found out i have chest pain. After finishing the episode. And the Drill! hearing it's sound with headphones loud is just too spooky... Almost feels liek its in our hear.
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Feb 9, 2008 4:03 PM

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The psychological battle in E Card has truly begun now. This is the stuff that truly rocks my soul. xD

That is so true. I am on edge for the next episode. I wonder what Kaiji will do next. HAHahahahaahahahaha!
 
Feb 9, 2008 6:12 PM
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The beginning of this ep let me down a bit. Maybe it was Kaiji half-believing that Tonegawa was capable of reading his mind... Otherwise, I loved it. Like a bunch have said, I am guessing that they will let Kaiji gamble those other people's lives or body parts or some such thing. And he will probably prevail, as he did in the first arc, but blow his winnings on helping the rest of them....

I really really need to watch akagi...
 
Feb 9, 2008 6:39 PM

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Now that E-card had it second episode as i rewatched it because i had an hunch (or how its written) i can say that Kaiji is in an enourmous Disavantage.

To start with (it already bugged me on episode 16) the Drill on the ear is not so innocent and lets say benevolent as it seems. Its more than obvious that everyone would go for a ear than for an eye but it has 2 setbacks.

1st one is that the drill on the ear causes an unstandable and mindkilling noise like we all saw on this episode
2nd one is that Kaiji loses an oportunity to have lets say 1/4 of his face hidden and loses a chance to be able to cloak some emotions, for example keeping an eye calm and go in despair on the other one. One of the easiest ways of knowing some emotions is looking the person in the eyes. If you can only see one of them i would say its harder to see the emotions.

Besides that Kaiji has allways something to lose, in this case his eardrum. In the other hand Tonegawa has nothing to lose. Well almost. Tonegawa has still his pride to keep but i think until the mid-game Kaiji will be alot more pressured by the Drill than Tonegawa from losing some games. It would be a lot funnier if this turned out to be like the Last game from Akagi when both were betting thier lifes on it (literally)
 
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Technically, only Akagi was actually betting his life. Washizu was betting his hugeass fortune, which was basically, but not entirely, his existence.

Interesting point about the ear, though. Never thought about the second one.
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Feb 10, 2008 2:18 AM

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Technically, only Akagi was actually betting his life. Washizu was betting his hugeass fortune, which was basically, but not entirely, his existence.

I still think one of the best scenes in Akagi is when Washizu gets headbumped after two and a half episodes of build up.

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I like these mind games. However this episode wasn't one of the most suspenseful ones.

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Torisunanohokori said:
Technically, only Akagi was actually betting his life. Washizu was betting his hugeass fortune, which was basically, but not entirely, his existence.


Hehe. In the manga Washizu DOES start betting his life though, when Akagi whittles away his fortune..
 
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Torisunanohokori said:
Technically, only Akagi was actually betting his life. Washizu was betting his hugeass fortune, which was basically, but not entirely, his existence.


Hehe. In the manga Washizu DOES start betting his life though, when Akagi whittles away his fortune..


Please don't tell me, I plan to read the Akagi manga when it's finished scanlating past the anime. I can guess what happens, though.
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Feb 10, 2008 11:23 PM

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Oh man, was it just me, or did anyone else instinctively cover up their ears whenever that drill went off? >.<
 
Feb 11, 2008 9:06 PM

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I'm amazed how much this show continues to impress me and every episode gets more and more tense. I was not thinking of the sound the drill would make either but when it happened it hit me like a ton of bricks. That has to be a truly hellish sound.

I'm off to watch episode 18!!
 
Mar 26, 2008 1:39 PM

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"Drill, drill, drill.", that sure made me laugh =P
Another intense episode. Looks like Kaiji has his own army of crippled now xD
 
Oct 27, 2008 2:53 AM

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Ugh, I cringed imagining what that drill would feel and sound like.
 
Feb 8, 2009 3:29 PM

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My ears started hurting me....
 
Dec 14, 2009 7:18 AM

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Damn that old geezer is beginning to get on my nerves with his creepy smile... and of course you'd lose that match Kaiji, in such shows when the hero explains his strategy and why his victory is certain before the outcome is clear then he'll lose 99% of the times.
 
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I'm disappointed in Kaiji. To as much as half-believe he could read his mind. This episode wasn't interesting at all, I could guess every move and Kaiji is realizing the basic now, a bit too late.
 
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That nose! It kills me.

 
Sep 23, 2012 11:00 AM

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This guy is making Kaiji dance at the palm of his hand. He is so much more experienced at such gambles while Kaiji is completely lost in his mind-trap.

A good and very tense episode. The music was well-chosen for that one, too.
 
Sep 27, 2012 8:48 PM

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playconn said:
TheWestExit said:
Neverender said:
Dude, I never even thought about what the sound of the drill would do to your ears. AHHHHHHHHH

It would have been a great sound design choice to have that high pitch winding cranked up on only the left channel.


And the old dude saying "Drill Drill Drill" on the right.


Nightmares for days.
 
Oct 1, 2012 6:39 PM

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Great episode as usual.


 
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this is why im careful when i watch this kind of show cause i get sucked in and cant get out.......
 
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Brilliant mind games and psychological between Kaiji and Tonegawa. Very addicting, cannot stop watching this awesome series now lol.
 
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This is my everyday experience at the dentist's

 
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Tonegawa is such a smooth-talker. He totally fooled Kaiji, slowly throwing him into madness. Kaiji will end up regretting it...

Kaiji is still too prone to naivety. I can understand him though, anyone would be blinded by such an amount of money. But the risk here is too big to be naive. He must either find a way to not listen at all to Tonegawa, or find a way to outwit him.
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Feb 26, 2016 4:09 PM

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Guess Kaiji doesn't know about body language. You could tell what he was going to play from a mile away.
 
Jun 25, 2016 4:47 AM
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Kaiji said:
Is he reading my mind?


OH bloody Nora Jones - no he is not!! He's reading your stupid facial expressions you bloody semi-deflated balloon!!!
 
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Its all about face reading.

P.S I'm enjoying it! I was never into the gambling manga/anime but this one is definitely worth watching
 
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Wow, is it really hard to reach the conclusion that Tonegawa is just experienced and has gambled with thousands of opponents? Instead this idiot wonders if he's an esper or some shit.
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So far into the anime, this is the best gamble.
To win, Kaiji has to do the OPPOSITE, of what Tokugawa expects him to do.
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Wow, is it really hard to reach the conclusion that Tonegawa is just experienced and has gambled with thousands of opponents? Instead this idiot wonders if he's an esper or some shit.


To be fair, it is stated in one of the earlier episodes that Kaiji doesn't like socializing, so I don't find the idea of him thinking it's impossible to be that good at reading people to be that strange.
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Kaiji kept thinking that Tonegawa is an esper lmao pls. It's a psychological battle and he's been underestimating everything so far. I hope he finds motivation from the ones who started to watch him.

As if the drill is not enough, the sounds during the process had to be agonizing orz You can do it!








 
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