| When someone asked me, which highly popular animation studio gets a bad rap of adapting its source material? Two studio comes to mind: Toei and Pierrot. Continuing from the previous thread about Toei Animation, which studio do you think is the lesser evil between these two: Pierrot or Toei? By lesser evil, I mean which is the " lesser bad" between the two of them in terms of anime adaptation, quality and critical acclaim. Toei Animation - One Piece,Slam Dunk, Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, Toriko Studio Pierrot - Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, Tokyo Ghoul, Kingdom, Bleach Both of these studio animate two long popular running shounens (Naruto and One Piece), and in the past few years, both of them get the flak for their inconsistent animation (off-model), bad adaptation and padding. In Pierrot's case , it's fillers and Toei's case. its shoddy animation quality. Or Both So, who would you choose? Why. |
peeyajOct 6, 2014 1:50 AM
| F0XFIRE said: OP 4 most butthurt bitch on MAL. |
| Yu Yu Hakusho's animation can still be compared to modern long running anime, same is true with Bleach the animation of Bleach is not that totally bad so i choose Studio Pierrot |
| Hard one. All the adaptions for Perriot's side have had better animations such as the fight scenes in Naruto, Tokyo Ghoul and Bleach. |
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| Inb4 butthurt fans |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Pierrot just gave us this, so I'm taking their side - |
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| It's Pierrot, no contest. |
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| I find it kind of funny how the people with the strongest opinions on Toei and Pierrot are the ones who've barely seen anything past their several hundred episode long shonenshit adaptations. |
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| Well, both studios has their greatness and flaws so neither. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Both are lazy shitty animation studios who employ art school dropouts with no talent whatsoever. Even when they have a high budget and plenty of time to work on something, they still mess it up. |
Ockap1812Oct 6, 2014 3:42 AM
| DEEN. But yea Pierrot is pretty bad too. |
| You've watched 3 series from each studio. I'll take your OP premise as a joke. |
| They're both pretty bad studios, but if I were to choose, I'd say Pierrot is slightly better. The animation for Bleach is more consistent than the animation for One Piece (which isn't saying much to be honest). And they did a pretty good job with Tokyo Ghoul considering the source material is pretty ass, they cut a lot of the shit out (no pun intended) and gave us a decent adaptation and one of the best finales in all of anime. It's a shame they're gonna ruin it by making a second cour of the show though. |
| I don't consider Pierrot to be evil/bad in the first place. I'm really grateful, that they were the studio to adapt Naruto, I might not have loved the series as much if it was done by another studio. The music, VA cast, art, the special animation (Which is honestly my favorite animation of the anime I've saw) they are just really great. One thing that I noticed while re-watching the series, was some added scenes, that weren't in the manga, but greatly complement the source material, makes me feel the director really understands the characters and the story of the manga, recent example being with Sasuke in the war arc, and how much they added to Kakashi vs Obito, and Madara's massacre. There is only one bad thing about their adaptions which is fillers, which for me personally, doesn't affect me a lot, since I literally skip all of them, even the good ones, so this is a non issue for me. And I frankly don't see any other studio doing a better job with an original long running adaption. Awesome studio, and I won't have it any other way. |
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fst said: you raise a deen, i raise you A1DEEN. But yea Pierrot is pretty bad too. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Pierrot used to be awesome back in the 80s, but they haven't done anything good in the past 20 years or so. Toei puts out a good show once every few years, but has mostly suffered the same fate as Pierrot. |
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| I...Didn't realize there was hate for Pierriot and Toei. They've always just been there for me. Fillers I can understand, 'cause you can't have the show catching up with the manga. Hell, it gave us some great stuff like One Piece's G8 arc or that one bit in Naruto when the kids were trying to unmask Kakashi. Unless we're talking straight up art/animation quality, in which case I got nothing to say. |
| man people are really butthurt about tokyo ghoul. Get over it guys, summer is over. |
| Toei is a LOT worse and holy shit are they lazy. |
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| Pierrot is an amazing studio, almost on par with Madhouse, sadly it just gets shitty source material (yyh, naruto, bleach) Toei is terrible and has no redeeming qualities except its successful attempts at kissing Ghibli's ass. |
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| Pierrot is a pretty good studio. I mean they made GTO which was simply fabulous and many other great adaptions such as Hikaru no Go, Tegami Bachi, Yumeiro Patissiere, Tantei Gakuen Q and many more. |
Ockap1812 said: Both are lazy shitty animation studios who employ art school dropouts with no talent whatsoever. Even when they have a high budget and plenty of time to work on something, they still mess it up. Damn that was harsh |
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sullynathan said: Ockap1812 said: Both are lazy shitty animation studios who employ art school dropouts with no talent whatsoever. Even when they have a high budget and plenty of time to work on something, they still mess it up. Damn that was harsh But mostly baseless. |
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ninjastarforcex said: looking at piece of shit art of yyh manga, yuyu hakusho adaptation is very good, YYH looked fine till the chapter black arc. I think it's better in that department since th e visuals of the anime are rather dated. That said, Pierrot made GTO so they win |
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FGAU1912 said: they both have odne more and make more money for the industry then every ones fuck buddies like kyoani and Ufotable LOL fact not opinion toei as awhole have more well know anime under them then most sudios combined i no fan boy i state fact Well the topic is asking about opinions on their quality, not their commercial success. Which Toei obviously is ahead at. |
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| I like both of them but Toei had some of the greater titles. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Toei a shit. Maybe now they got better at it, but back when I watched their stuff, they pretty much ruined all VN and LN adaptation they did. |
xbobx said: Toei a shit. Maybe now they got better at it, but back when I watched their stuff, they pretty much ruined all VN and LN adaptation they did. niope there veriosn of clanmad was colsser n very way tp the source hell the clamnad fanbse on mal is hippociretes why thye parise Kyo an changeing the art style of clannad but there ilk bashn Aku no hana ofr chanhing the art style of the manga |
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| Toei will always hold a special place in my shit-list. |
| toei did more good stuff than pierrot |
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FGAU1912 said: niope there veriosn of clanmad was colsser n very way tp the source hell the clamnad fanbse on mal is hippociretes why thye parise Kyo an changeing the art style of clannad but there ilk bashn Aku no hana ofr chanhing the art style of the manga Try to express yourself with proper grammar and maybe I can get your point. If you were talking about Kanon -the picture I posted- I COULD agree with you. Since they kept the artwork really faithful to the source, and a bit of the story as welll. But as for Clannad? You mean the movie? How come? The art is the classical Toei distorted pre-moe stuff. Nothing similar to the VN: In terms of "faithful to the source" KyoAni did a way better job at it. Toei's Clannad ruined the Illusionary World aspect of the story, delivering a ending without zero to none connection with the subtle aspects of it on the VN. They made it plain "realistic" that had nothing to do with the original content. Soundtrack was horrible and no piece from the actual VN was kept, not to mention the seyuu-tachi had no idea of what they were doing. For a matter of fact, Jun Maeda approved the KyoAni script and artwork, while Toei just "asked" for his "opinion" as "consultant" when they did the movie. |
xbobx said: FGAU1912 said: niope there veriosn of clanmad was colsser n very way tp the source hell the clamnad fanbse on mal is hippociretes why thye parise Kyo an changeing the art style of clannad but there ilk bashn Aku no hana ofr chanhing the art style of the manga Try to express yourself with proper grammar and maybe I can get your point. If you were talking about Kanon -the picture I posted- I COULD agree with you. Since they kept the artwork really faithful to the source, and a bit of the story as welll. But as for Clannad? You mean the movie? How come? The art is the classical Toei distorted pre-moe stuff. Nothing similar to the VN: In terms of "faithful to the source" KyoAni did a way better job at it. Toei's Clannad ruined the Illusionary World aspect of the story, delivering a ending without zero to none connection with the subtle aspects of it on the VN. They made it plain "realistic" that had nothing to do with the original content. Soundtrack was horrible and no piece from the actual VN was kept, not to mention the seyuu-tachi had no idea of what they were doing. For a matter of fact, Jun Maeda approved the KyoAni script and artwork, while Toei just "asked" for his "opinion" as "consultant" when they did the movie. sorry mean kanon i its just hadly and one tak baou kanon but the 2002 verison in better cuase of all the reasn i say cit closer ti the soorce to me kyo ani stuff looks alot alike |
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SolviteSekai said: man people are really butthurt about tokyo ghoul. Get over it guys, summer is over. I'm pretty sure all mentions of Tokyo Ghoul in this thread before you arrived were positive or neutral, so where the hell did this statement even come from? |
Z4k said: Pierrot is a pretty good studio. I mean they made GTO which was simply fabulous and many other great adaptions such as Hikaru no Go, Tegami Bachi, Yumeiro Patissiere, Tantei Gakuen Q and many more. True. Toei has no redeeming quality whatsoever. |
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Mightyunown said: They animated DigimonZ4k said: Pierrot is a pretty good studio. I mean they made GTO which was simply fabulous and many other great adaptions such as Hikaru no Go, Tegami Bachi, Yumeiro Patissiere, Tantei Gakuen Q and many more. True. Toei has no redeeming quality whatsoever. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Neither are evil, both are very good studios. There's plenty of worse ones to pick on. |
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| Toei still uses those crappy outdated sound effects from the 80s. |
| Any studio that constantly screw up adaptations is bad. Just because they screw up less severely in each adaptation, it doesn't change the fact that they fked up. Therefore both are just as bad. |
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Naisto said: World Trigger looks bloody trash, so therefore Toei is worse for sure. Who even funds shit like that these days. Owch. And here I thought world trigger was decent :/ My real question is what is the best studio that people like xD |
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| Toei because Pierrot is pure evil |
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Naisto said: 7starkiller99 said: Owch. And here I thought world trigger was decent :/ My real question is what is the best studio that people like xD aww... well I only saw the first four episodes, maybe it redeems itself o.o? I just think the other shounen this season are much better, like nanatsu no taizai, shingeki no bahamut: genesis and log horizon. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying they are the best anime, just that they are a fair amount better than world trigger. Those are all good and probably better than World Trigger but World Trigger is still decent itself. Stuff can be better than other stuff without one of them being 'bloody trash'. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Toei by far,considering what a large studio they are and how many franchises they have under their belt (most of them mega successes worldwide) and how they always manage to fuck up the adaptations since like the early 90's with tons of fillers and crappy production values it just goes without saying. |
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